1997/09/10 03:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #440
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 440
Today's Topics:
Kundalini or Tao?
Re: About Sergio's bronchitis
My Experience
Re: Kundalini or Tao?
Kundalini awakining in the Seattle/Tacoma area
Re: Drugs and community
Re: God is who/what?
Re: Mother Teresa Dies in Calcutta
Re: bronquite
To have a good time
drugs
Re: Drugs and community
Re: Mother Teresa Dies in Calcutta
Re: Kundalini or Tao?
Re: Kundalini or Tao?
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 01:53:53
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Subject: Kundalini or Tao?
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Hello all:
I posted this a few weeks ago without any response. I had read a magazine
which quoted Margo Anand briefly. She wrote `The Art of Sexual Ecstasy'
and `The Art of Sexual Magic'. I am unable at this point to read her
books. Have others read them? Are they a MUST read?
She said "From the Tantric perspective governments are mostly manned by
politicians who are old, sick, who don't know how to internalize their
Kundalini. All that means is that they don't know how to transmute their
vital power into love, love into creativity, creativity into vision, vision
into a way of the cosmos and the laws of nature. He who doesn't know how
to make these transmutations will externalize his energy as aggression, as
competition, as the fear of being taken over."
After some time to think about this I wonder about the relationship between
Tao and Kundalini. This quote above is more about Tao than Kundalini isn't
it? But now I wonder if they are the same on some level. Do people who
live in the Way always live within K.?
My thinking is that they are different. Tao is natural order as I
understand it, and life lived within that order. Maybe..grasping for
words. Kundalini is the fire energy which transforms. Symbiotic, not the
same. More correctly: possibly symbiotic, not the same.
After rereading I wonder if I've misunderstood her from the start:
"externalizes his energy"....not K....?
My primary interest in this developing a better understanding of the many
ways Kundalini expresses itself in life. I'm finding it hard to pinpoint
what K. is exactly, aside from the energy moving from the base chakra to
the crown, and making the two, One. I've had a few friends in the past
whom, after coming on this list, I realize have had full-blown K. with long
periods of agony. One young man even commited suicide. So, I can 'see' K.
active people, but it looks different each time. Wonderfully different I
might add.
I'm reminded of the quote from Richard Bach on somebody's postings, "what
looks like the end to a caterpillar, is the beginning to a butterfly."
Perhaps each persons K. experience is more closely related to how each
fabricates their reality. I know! but we've got a bunch of K-lites running
around, everybody pulling their experience (aka reality) into One. Like
we're dusting the house or something. And waiting for the Master: an
external happening to what a few have already realized.
What are we waiting for? Is reality so plastic?
More ruminations from the cud.
The Ox.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:18:38
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: About Sergio's bronchitis
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<< sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com >>
Sergio,
Three areas to address. First, Your body and the quality of air you
breathe...
Secondly, your mind, attitude about life and openness to it. Thirdly, your
spirit, i.e. are you doing what you reallly love? Can you hear the beat of
your own drum, or are you marching to someone else's beat? It is a delicate
tightrope we must walk in our attempts to open up to our potential. Sometimes
we try to shut out our own inner voice to do what we think is right and good.
But if we smother our own creativity, then we will suffer. Remember, balance
of body mind and spirit . Love and Light, the Rose
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:51:00
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: My Experience
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Like all of you, my spontaneous Kundalini awakening has "woken me up" in
many ways. In the past few years I have
: sold all my possessions
: changed my eating habits to now eat only "live" food
: focused enormous energy on ego transcendence
: changed my career path (I was a CEO of a Festival and am now a
Personal Growth Consultant)
: stopped watching television, now seldom read newspapers or listen to
radio
: found a wonderful partner who is also working with a spontaneous
Kundalini awakening
: the list goes on.
Having worked with others who are in the throes of Kundalini, after
reading Shared Transformations and the many books out there, I have
evolved my own theory regarding the process. Many many people are having
difficulty. Some of that is through sheer fear and uncertainty.
The other aspect that I believe is valid in addressing the physical,
mental, emotional and spiritual problems that arise is the preparedness
of the individual soul. We all must grow and with our learning and
growth comes soul tests that we are continually confronted with. I
believe that the journey of the soul from creation ends with the
reunification with the Source. As we make this journey from creation
out into the world and through many lifetimes we are continually tested
as to our commitment to grow and our desire to go Home.
I believe there are Twelve Major Tests that we face on the road to
Enlightenment. And enlightenment still is only part way Home. The
opening to Kundalini is generally experienced at the Tenth Test. If
this energy comes into play before the soul is ready to work with the
Tenth Test issues, problems will ensue. For example the Fifth Test is
where the soul makes the commitment to serve God and the Tests are the
life experiences that require the changes in their life for this to
happen.
At this level (the Fifth Test), the ego issues haven't been addressed.
The issues of material attachment haven't been dealt with. Much of the
harder spiritual truths haven't presented themselves. The soul is still
spiritually naive. The energetic blockages, the physical and mental pain
will occur to push the soul towards accepting the lessons and moving
forward.
Kundalini has shown me the Akashic Records and I read them for others.
ALL of those people I know experiencing Kundalini have experienced in
their past some healing, contact or touch from the man who was Jesus.
When I have seen this in the Records, I am aware of the transference or
release of life force energy. I believe it is somehow important that we
are experiencing a great emergence of spontaneous Kundalini awakenings.
2000 years after Jesus. The time is now right and each soul who is
gifted with this amazing energy has the responsibility to quicken their
soul growth for whatever purpose is awaiting us.
Personal discussion with me regarding the Twelve Tests is welcomed.
See also web site http://www.adelaide.net.au/~smacrae
Love, Sue
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:10:09
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Tao?
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At 01:53 09/09/97, David Tompkins wrote:
>Hello all:
<snipped> So, I can 'see' K.
>active people, but it looks different each time. Wonderfully different I
>might add.
>Perhaps each persons K. experience is more closely related to how each
>fabricates their reality. I know! but we've got a bunch of K-lites running
>around, everybody pulling their experience (aka reality) into One.
>What are we waiting for? Is reality so plastic?
>More ruminations from the cud.
>The Ox.
>
YES YES YES!! REALITY IS TOTALLY SILLY PUTTY!
Is is a cosmic promise that Goddess will answer all of our prayers. There
are no restrictions on what we may pray for, outside of the limits we
create for ourselves, by denying our power.
K. is CREATIVE energy that does that. Goddess power is limitless, She can
create paradox, warp spacetime effortless, to give us the experiences we
pray for, by our thoughts and beliefs about reality.
Check out this idea with your higher self.. Goddess has the power to
Change the PAST, to grant us the experiences we choose by our beliefs.
Miracles happen when we choose BIG, and don't let logic limits interfere
with faith in Goddess' promises.
It is another cosmic promise, that we can be who ever we choose to be..
if we can really believe in it.. I can choose to be Serpent, ancient
lightbeing, second oldest soul, and choose to believe in it, in spite of
"facts" I know about the illusion of space-time and the unity of all
things, and the persistence of my prayer manifests the experience of being
that being, with attendant memories and wisdom.. irregardless of the
illogic of the experience.
Logic is a game ego plays with itself.. it is the weakest aspect of our
persona.
Folks who think that my experience is impossible, are Limiting Goddess,
in their minds, and so shall have a limited experience of Goddess' power,
and their own. She has said that She is not limited, and nether are we,
except as we believe ourselves to be..
Of course, a limitless being Goddess can create and manifest completely
paradoxical realites simultaneously, in response to our requests to
experience new realities.. why not? Really, why not? Limitless is limitless.
K truly is limitless power to create with imagination and faith.
Sometimes when I really contemplate all of the millions of devices we use
to deny our real power, like logic... to deny Goddess limitless generosity,
I just start to laugh. Laugh or cry.. would you prefer to live your logic,
or live your most impossible dreams? Choose. Goddess promises to manifest
whatever you choose. So be it.
Unlimited Blessings, SEERpent.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:19:39
From: Scott Coleman <scottcolATnospamu.washington.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini awakining in the Seattle/Tacoma area
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I have been through what I believe to be
>From everything I have read I have been experiencing the classic symptoms
of Kundalini awakening. I have tried to make it on my own but realize that
my experience will be much more positive and expedient with guidance of
some sort. There are plenty of people I have found in the Seattle/Tacoma
that recognize this sort of thing and will help deal with it but
unfortunately they all charge more than I can afford. Does anyone have any
suggestions?
Scott..
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:19:01 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Drugs and community
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>
> Raja Bose wrote:
> > Drugs give us a glimpse of a better future. I think the violence or
> > "unspirituality"(what about robin hood?) is the result of the frustrations
> > in the gap of what the present situation is and what could be.
> >
> > Why do we have receptor cites in the brain that are filled with certain
> > vegetable kingdome plants? Why do we as humans seem to want to distance
> > ourselves from the mother vegetable earth kingdome? Why do we want to
> > move away from nature, the nature that sustains us. Why do we not
> > worship the certain psycoactive plants that give us these visions of
> > god, the whole, the over mind.
>
I can't agree. Drugs used in the wrong context are disintegrating to
the psyche instead of integrating. Cultures which use drugs use them
sparingly and in a ritual context. The goal is to join as a group or to
join consciousness to a group who already maintains the desired
consciousness.
bottom line is that in our culture they are illegal. It's not worth
the misery that can result from going against the system. And there are
legal non-drug alternatives such as Transmission Meditation, Peruvian
Whistling Jugs, ot Trance Dancing.
Morgana
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:01:25 -0500
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: God is who/what?
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by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Friend, You said, "Do not say God is love." What is love?
> Namaste. Linda
There is a chinese saying that says.. paraphrased.. "If you think you
know the name of God.. then you do not. To know the name is to know the
Earth level only." nd I say.. that.. The universal mind, Man cannot
identify because it is infinite.. Man is finite and physical and can
only understand things in that context, which imposes the limitations
and expectations of man. So we need to reach upward out of our ego and
illusion (that we call living) and enter the realm of the infinite..
Just accepting and trusting..using the abstract then we can feel the
name of god in the energy that surrounds everything and is everything.
Love,
flute
(humm this is good yes?? )
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:11:34 -0500
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: Mother Teresa Dies in Calcutta
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Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi EVeryone..
> It is amazing tht only a few days ago someone said on my Lightwork List
> that Diana and Mother Teresa had similar benevolences on their horoscopes.
> Now this news today that dear Mother Teresa has passed on at 9:30 p.m.
> Calcutta time.
> We live in interesting times... the visions of Mary... the living icons of
> feminine compassion both passing on at the same time... what is next?
>
> The Goddess is back.. and she is MOVING!
RUTH.. I have as a example.. a chart for Pope John Paul.. his MC and IC
are getting a direct hit on the Eclipse of the Full Moon on Sept 16th..
The full moon eclipse hits on my Chiron and Sun directly.. Chiron and
Sun in my chart are at absolute. 21 and 20 degrees respectively. I
understand that this means I am a natural yoga and/or a mystic.. That's
cool.. grin. Chiron seems to have something to do with Kundalini
risiing right?? my first experinece with Chiron was when I was 6.. and
the chart clearly shows theactual transit of my Kundalini awakening in
the time frame that it did..
interesting how the stars seem to vibrate.. grin.. or maybe we vibrate
with the rythemsof the stars.
Love,
flute
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:58:51 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: "Sergio Lucio Maria (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: bronquite
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Sergio Lucio Maria (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> I need to know some forms of combatting a disease that I have.
> I have bronchitis from my birth.
> Precise that, if possible, order me some massage or herb, medicines that
> help
> to stop the disease. All the opnioes will be well comings.
NAC,(N-acetylcysteine). This is the stable and preferred form of the
amino
acid cysteine. 400-600mg./day have been proven effective in treating
chronic bronchitis. I'd try 2 grams,however, a day in divided
doses.(Perfectly safe).
Other antioxidants will be helpful also.
Good luck,
David
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:55:00
From: "Sergio Lucio Maria" <sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: To have a good time
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___Galeria to Be, it Shines and Sea___ sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br -
kundaliniATnospamrocketmail.com ____Sergio Lúcio Maria______
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2979 /
Will the value of the as little how much the one of the humanity creation
be? Without the humanity heart doesn't exist... but are we had all this so
that to worry?
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:55:35
From: Mary LaPorte <mlaporteATnospamscnc.holt.k12.mi.us> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: drugs
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In response to Raja's post about drug use. This is my opinion... Drugs used
in the context of spiritual ritual give one a glimpse of what can occur
naturally. This is what Don Juan did with Carlos Castenada, but only in the
beginning of the apprenticeship. Massive doses of most hormones and
neurotransmitters will eventually desensitize their receptor sites, making
it imposibble to have the experience naturally.
Mary
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:31:27 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Drugs and community
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Morgana Wyz wrote:
> bottom line is that in our culture they are illegal. It's not worth
> the misery that can result from going against the system.
The "system" must never be the bottom line for anything.
Blacks held captive as slaves or women denied the right
to vote, would agree.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:28:29 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: FIuteATnospamprodigy.net
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: Mother Teresa Dies in Calcutta
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FIute wrote:
>
> Ruth Trimble wrote:
> >
> > Hi EVeryone..
> > It is amazing tht only a few days ago someone said on my Lightwork List
> > that Diana and Mother Teresa had similar benevolences on their horoscopes.
> > Now this news today that dear Mother Teresa has passed on at 9:30 p.m.
> > Calcutta time.
> > We live in interesting times... the visions of Mary... the living icons of
> > feminine compassion both passing on at the same time... what is next?
> >
> > I sent that info out from Jeanne Garner who is an astrolger on the list.She used Di and Mother Teresa for her classes since they were so similar, she could see that Mother Teresa might follow her out and sure enough she did.
These energies are powerful, you mentioned about Pope John Paul also, I
dream about him at least once or twice a month, he is having a difficult
time. I saw him when he came to San Francisco and what a beautiful aura
he has. He can use our love at this time. Gloria
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 22:03:39
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Tao?
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At 01:10 10/09/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>> YES YES YES!! REALITY IS TOTALLY SILLY PUTTY!
>> Is is a cosmic promise that Goddess will answer all of our prayers. There
>> are no restrictions on what we may pray for, outside of the limits we
>> create for ourselves, by denying our power.
>
> And Goddess Dear Friends is not the biggest Ego we can imagine but
>the total lack of "I want", "Me", "Me", "Me"
Love yourself first, if you expect to be able to love anyone else.
I love and accept my narcissistic nature, because everything outside of
me reflects the inside of me.
>
>Angelique if you want to follow the path of fantasy. Fine.
>Truth is not make believe, illusion and fantasy. You can of course
>believe what you will.
LOL!! Thankyou so much for giving me permission.. I give you permission
to be a lobster.. enjoying the fantasy? Finding wisdom from a shelled
perpective?
It amuses me much to pretend you really are a lobster. You could be, I
diunno.. saw the picture, but it looked like an artists conception..
>
>Your power is an illusion. Goddess is an illusion.
Reality is illusion.
>You are a speck of nothing.
There is no such thing as no thing. How can there be a speck of nothing?
It is not nothing, it is a speck. Experiencing the beingness of speckness,
so Goddess may know herself as a speck.
Everything is of one energy.
> Your ego does not like that 'Truth', so build yourself up, get
>bigger, inflate to encompass all your fantastic thoughts. Why Not? You
>are after all on the Path of the ego. Spirituality is a lessening.
>Soon you will be God. You know through your fantastic powers that my
>'criticisms' are just borne of fear and limitations - Yes?
So here it is, each of us creating our own conception of what is real,
and beleiveing in it. Ego speaks of how we are not God, it is the fears and
limiting belief that keep us separate. Yet we are all of one energy that is
Goddess experiencing Herself. She does not desire for us to all think
alike. What for? Less diversity of experience that way. She creates
everything unique as snowflakes.
Dunno why you want to be nothing when Cosmic promise says you are All,
but have fun at it.
To me, you are God pretending to be a speck of nothing lobster..
>. . . something like that
>Left is right (truly)
>Take Care
>Lobster
Good practice in accepting paradoxes. Unlimiting yer brain.
Inside is outside, the future and the past are equally mutable beyond
space-time, you know lots of them, eh?
I remember when, waaay back when you first joined the list, throwing
paradoxes and contradictions at folks was all you did. Mostly you insisted
on denying ideas folks claimed as Truth, perhaps only to test their
convictions.
Lately tho it seems more like you are wholly invested in persuading
others of your convictions. Is this a change for the better? Hmmmm...
What I reaaly wonder, is how you can be so very certain my experiences
are fantasy, when by your own account, you have never had a mystical
experience of any kind. You have nothing in your own personal experience to
compare my experiences to. So, of course you think them fantasy. So what?
I must conclude that your insistence that you are some kind of expert on
my reality, that is the delusion. However, I leave you to enjoy your
delusions without interfering, o wise sage all knowing Lobster who has the
one and only truth of reality.. :)
Blessings, Serpent.
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:47:53 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Tao?
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Love yourself first, if you expect to be able to love anyone else.
> I love and accept my narcissistic nature, because everything outside of
> me reflects the inside of me.
Love everything? Sure. Accept everything? Surely not.
If people gave expression to everything inside of themselves we would
not be here. The shadow that we all carry is not designed for
exhaltation but exorcism. Sure Love is exhalted and everything is Love
but that does not mean we should Love everything. We make choices. We
become the choices and make new choices. Eventually the choices move us.
What happens to the shadow as we grow - is it becomes refined. Fantasy
drops away. We see the underlying good in our experience and so on. Of
course you Love your fantasy self. The ego is beautiful, seductive. Give
in she says, I am the Goddess, believe me I am Love. You are funny.
> >Your power is an illusion. Goddess is an illusion.
> Reality is illusion.
> >You are a speck of nothing.
> There is no such thing as no thing. How can there be a speck of nothing?
> It is not nothing, it is a speck. Experiencing the beingness of speckness,
> so Goddess may know herself as a speck.
> Everything is of one energy.
mmm . . .
As usual Angelique you mistake the metaphorical for the literal. You
have always assumed that you are of importance. I have always assumed
that we are nothing of any great important. just a moment, flitting into
being and departing. I have never denied the worth of each moment and
each person but I sincerely question those who say 'I am extra special'.
This is not the way of Spirit. We become special by recognising our
unique but dependent origination. We come from Goddess. We express her.
We are her but if we ever believe we are Her . . .
Pssttt . . .
Did I ever tell you I was a god - oh right - you to. Nice . . .
Sometimes we need to go beyond the Power of the Goddess. If your whole
Being is dependent on Goddess, you will not be able to go beyond. In
fact you will see this as impossible . . .
> So here it is, each of us creating our own conception of what is real,
> and beleiveing in it. Ego speaks of how we are not God, it is the fears and
> limiting belief that keep us separate. Yet we are all of one energy that is
> Goddess experiencing Herself. She does not desire for us to all think
> alike. What for? Less diversity of experience that way. She creates
> everything unique as snowflakes.
> Dunno why you want to be nothing when Cosmic promise says you are All,
> but have fun at it.
> To me, you are God pretending to be a speck of nothing lobster..
Ego also (and more seductively) tells us we are 'cosmic power number 2'.
Of course I am 'God pretending to be a speck of nothing'. We are
something, we are nothing. If we have a preference for one or other, we
are stuck. Our choice.
> >. . . something like that
> >Left is right (truly)
> >Take Care
> >Lobster
>
> Good practice in accepting paradoxes. Unlimiting yer brain.
> Inside is outside, the future and the past are equally mutable beyond
> space-time, you know lots of them, eh?
> I remember when, waaay back when you first joined the list, throwing
> paradoxes and contradictions at folks was all you did. Mostly you insisted
> on denying ideas folks claimed as Truth, perhaps only to test their
> convictions.
Perhaps. Some people have moved on. On another list I am trying to
convince people that God is a kangeroo.
Sometimes paradox and contradiction is right. Sometimes a loose brain
and madness is the right expression but if people insist on me or others
fulfilling a role or always behaving in one way - then it is better they
think I am a Lobster and you are whatever is your claim of the week.
> Lately tho it seems more like you are wholly invested in persuading
> others of your convictions. Is this a change for the better? Hmmmm...
> What I reaaly wonder, is how you can be so very certain my experiences
> are fantasy, when by your own account, you have never had a mystical
> experience of any kind. You have nothing in your own personal experience to
> compare my experiences to. So, of course you think them fantasy. So what?
The mystical experiences I have 'had' are not describable, therefore I
never do. As for fantasy, I know her well. My conviction is that you are
deluded. However you are only partially deluded and this is the problem.
You offer people good advice and truths and they value what you say. You
then speak twaddle and it devalues what you say.
Now I offer both and expect people to work out which is which. If they
can not I may tell them. Luckily for all concerned I am not a
fantastical construction of my own imagination - nope - I am.
You see if I say, 'Do not be seduced by your little self for Goddess has
a Greater Self that is nothing to do with you and is all Her' There is
truth in that. If I say I know this because I am told it by the spirit
of a dead kangeroo or I am the Greater Self, then the value is
diminished. I am mixing truth and fantasy.
Therefore I claim no Authority. I need none. I expect people to think
and decide for themself. I guess your position is of the same Authority.
> I must conclude that your insistence that you are some kind of expert on
> my reality, that is the delusion. However, I leave you to enjoy your
> delusions without interfering, o wise sage all knowing Lobster who has the
> one and only truth of reality.. :)
We are all experts Angelique on other peoples reality. Simply because we
are able to see them with greater objectivity than ourselves.
I choose to interfere with your reality because you are influencing
others and claiming it is the work of the Goddess and this is at best a
partial truth.
It is only our deep concern for others that makes us worthy of the name
human.
That is why I am
Lobster (or am I)
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