1997/09/09 11:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #439
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 439
Today's Topics:
Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Re: An Observation
Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Rules for becoming human
Re: RE M.S.
Re: RE M.S.
Re: fable and EGO
bronquite
Re: An Observation
Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Re: An Observation
Re: kundalini or suicidal? (Huichol work of art)
Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
Re: 2 questions
RE: (Huichol work of art)
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:09:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: CDeepaATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Message-ID: <970908130600_859537725ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
Hi....i just wanted to comment...about what was said about experiences with
Kundalini.....the part about the fear....You said that she experienced it as
fear because of the books she started to look at......well...I'm not sure
about that.....when my kundalini experience started......i had no idea what
it was......but it terrified me ........there was always this intense
fear.......not because of something I read......I didn't even know it was
kundalini until....1.5 years ago....12 years of not knowing.....so the fear i
had almost instantaneously developed when the kundalini started......hand in
hand.....Later.....much later...I did read some of G. Krishnas books....and
he described his fear and terror as a part of the process.....and I have read
other books too that have described this....I have to admit...I would love
for my experience to be one of exstasy....and of love and light.....but I too
have experienced this whole thing with a lot of fear and
uncomfortableness.....Perhaps if i had the knowledge beforehand of what i was
about to go thru it would have helped.....but I doubt it.....to have the rug
of what you thought was real pulled out from under you.in one instant...is
quite a shock and jolt to the system.....
Im not sure where to go with this now....I read a book....I forget the name
of it...but ....it described my experience.....almost exactly......the fear
and terror...a very large part of it....the difference is....that she
discovered that you don't run from the fear...but experience it.....see what
is there really.....and what i find is NOTHING.....this woman....described
her experience as painful and fearful...until one day...something
changed.....and she experienced it as oneness....and the bliss and peace
came....and it all fell into place....but she didn't do it .....it just
happened......so.....I don't know if there is anything you can do...to make
the kundalini...do what you want......you can perhaps change the way you see
things....but I don't know....I have been having the darndest time........it
is hard....I have read all the "good experience kundalini."..and....I still
experience what Im going thru......
So.....this is all jumbled and Im not sure where I was going with
this....but....if you have any comments or suggestions.......go ahead...:)
Thats it I guess.......Deepa
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:59:57 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Subject: Re: An Observation
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Subject: Re: An Observation
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Peg mentions:
I'm also wondering about the energy in the hands. Now that I'm getting my
act together enough to meditate and do yoga fairly regularly, my hands
sometimes feel like they have a life of their own. They certainly have an
intensified feeling of energy or vibration. So what next? Try to move the
energy somewhere else? Ignore it? Hatch eggs?
As I've been taught it, in Qi Gong vibration in the hands is one of the
first signs of Qi activity - often the palms and underside of the fingers
become speckled with red and white . I've often wondered ``so where do we
go from here?'' myself. I got a good answer from a Zen roshi one time who
said: ``Don't focus on your own energy but on the energy of the universe
around you.'' The world can certainly use some more Qi. When the ego drops
out of the picture then every day offers occasions for grounding, offering
solace and healing, others with your piece of the universal energy.
I've also begun to believe that your qi/prana can be used as a medium for
others (dare I say higher beings?) to heal. I took a course from Erik
Voormans in a style of healing similar to what Barbara Brennan is teaching.
It seemed to me that in this approach my energy field was the base material
that other beings used to heal. This was very uplifting.
Mangalam
Kurt
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:13:14 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
Message-ID: <3414403A.3131ATnospammail.snet.net>
Lisa Mays (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> When we hurt, what I have learned is that some of us find external ways
> of dealing with it. (Like me) This creates an addiction that grows and
> grows as we feed it. Only God can overcome the incredible cravings.
Hang out with your "craving" in the heart zone.
Don't fuse it to any object or person.
Feel it grow as it is.
No words.
It is the only true prayer to the Divine.
See what happens.
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:56:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Lisa Mays (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <amaysdATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com, rtrATnospammicron.net,
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Subject: Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
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Lisa Mays (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> A year after I had a very traumatic experience with someone I loved very
>
> dearly. After which, I started hearing "voices." I thought I was going
>
> "schizophrenic" and looked up everything I could to understand what was
> happening to me. I was completely terrified that I was going insane.
> But the main thing from what I read was the fact that I was
> internalizing the "voices" which meant that I was not losing touch with
> reality. I was aware it was inside of me and that "schizophrenics" do
> not internalize it.
HI Lisa,
Everything about the awakening process requires detachment, and the
ability to become one pointed on flowing with the high frequency energy
stream that I call Divine Will. This process will go on the rest of your
life, so it isn't going to be something that starts and finishes,
instead it is something you learn to move with.
Everything that we learn on the earth plane has a learning curve,
right? And, once you are into it and really understand the non-verbal or
verbal language involved, it is ok, isn't it? But, while you are in it,
that is when there is questions, doubts, etc.
All of what you described is normal. I know... what is normal? With
kundalini awakening and being on your spiritual path to awakening,
whatever that comes down in it is normal. So, it is necessary to have
learned a great deal about how to communicate within yourself to God.
God is both inside and outside of you, so if you are to become aware
of that divine presence in your life, don't you just have to recognize
it first? Then when you are secure in its being with you, you enter into
the faith and knowing of the experience. This takes you into awareness
of the teacher which in Christian circles is the Holy Spirit, the
comforter and teacher.
Many on the list are in the process of learning what it means to tuck
and roll, which is my phrase for going with it without thought, worry,
anxiety, etc. When you have mastered the ability to quiet your mind, and
calm your emotions, your journey will be a snap. Meanwhile, when you
have to deal with your own and other peoples thoughts, just know you
will be slammed around like a balloon with one side open, it is up to
you to do the work of self discipline that you are being told of, to
slow this down.
Self mastery, is exactly that. You have to master your own lower
instincts, human wants, thoughts, etc. Everything flows around 'thy will
and not mine,' when you are comfortable with it, things will change
drastically. Not to say you won't be tested, but it will be totally
different.
Check out my homepage at http://users.intercomm.com/larryn
If you want to talk more then write to me.
Remember you are the energy behind your thoughts and emotions, so you
can control all of it by letting go. Go with God. Gloria
>
>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:49:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Rules for becoming human
Message-Id: <199709081849.NAA19828ATnospamdfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
My "allergies" ended abruptly with sudden abundant energy(?)!. Found
this while I was cleaning out files. Wish I could attribute it
properly but I don't know where it came from. Holly
1) You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it but it will be
yours for the entire period this time around.
2) You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal
school called life. Each day in this school you will have the
opportunity to learn lessons. You may like the lessons or think them
irrelevant and stupid.
3) There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial
and error, experimentation. The "failed" experiments are as much a
part of the process as the experiment that ultimately "works."
4) A lesson is repeated until learned. A lesson will be presented to
you in various forms until you have learned it. When you have learned
it, then you can go on to the next lesson.
5) Learning lessons does not end. There is no part of life that does
not contain its lessons. If you are alive, there are lessons to be
learned.
6) "There" is no better than "here." When your "there" has become a
"here" you will simply obtain another "there" that will, again, look
better than "here."
7) Others are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate something
about another person unless it reflects to you something you love or
hate about yourself.
8) What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools and
resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice is
yours.
9) Your answers lie inside you. The answers to life's questions lie
inside you. All you need to do is look, listen and trust.
10) You will forget all this.
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:42:07
From: JLewis7639ATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: RE M.S.
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In a message dated 97-09-07 23:03:19 EDT, you write:
<< think dear lady, your husband is is own disease and until he chooses to
listen to the lessons in the illness, he will continue to suffer. I do
think a good psychic could clear out some of his ghosts and help.
I would say it is probably karma comingback.. believe me if there are
lifetimes of black magic they can really whack one on the back of he
head.. when they return... like boomerangs... as they inevitably do.
Good luck, Ruth >>
Agreed wholeheartedly. Someone did a remote ritual and the attachments have
gone ... for now. I read him some info someone sent on how to avoid this in
the future. It is up to him to heed the advice now. Time will tell.
Love and Light,
Michelle
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:41:46
From: JLewis7639ATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: RE M.S.
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In a message dated 97-09-07 23:03:19 EDT, you write:
<< think dear lady, your husband is is own disease and until he chooses to
listen to the lessons in the illness, he will continue to suffer. I do
think a good psychic could clear out some of his ghosts and help.
I would say it is probably karma comingback.. believe me if there are
lifetimes of black magic they can really whack one on the back of he
head.. when they return... like boomerangs... as they inevitably do.
Good luck, Ruth >>
Agreed wholeheartedly. Someone did a remote ritual and the attachments have
gone ... for now. I read him some info someone sent on how to avoid this in
the future. It is up to him to heed the advice now. Time will tell.
Love and Light,
Michelle
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:36:58
From: "Sergio Lucio Maria" <sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: fable and EGO
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___Galeria to Be, it Shines and Sea___
sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br - kundaliniATnospamrocketmail.com
____Sergio Lúcio Maria______ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2979 /
Hello,
This seeming that this subject woke up some thing on the to which we
thrashed.
The rage for the ego doesn't really work, because the rage in itself is
harmful. The best is you make it to sleep. To use of the understanding is
more useful.
[]s
Sérgio
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:36:02
From: "Sergio Lucio Maria" <sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: bronquite
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___Galeria to Be, it Shines and Sea___
sergiomariaATnospammiranet.com.br - kundaliniATnospamrocketmail.com
____Sergio Lúcio Maria______
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2979 /
Dear siblings,
I need to know some forms of combatting a disease that I have.
I have bronchitis from my birth.
Precise that, if possible, order me some massage or herb, medicines that
help
to stop the disease. All the opnioes will be well comings.
Blessings,
Sérgio
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:37:50
From: Terry Romine <tromineATnospamapple.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An Observation
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>>I'm also wondering about the energy in the hands. Now that I'm getting my
>>act together enough to meditate and do yoga fairly regularly, my hands
>>sometimes feel like they have a life of their own. They certainly have an
>>intensified feeling of energy or vibration. So what next? Try to move the
>>energy somewhere else? Ignore it? Hatch eggs?
>>
>>Peg
>
>Yes, I also feel this vibration sometimes. I think that that is the
>activity of my handchackras. I also feel this vibration in other chackras
>at times. So what next indeed! My gut reaction was:'if I can feel the
>energy in my hands, maybe I should go get some reiki training'. So I am
>planning just that (sometime this autumn), but hatching eggs may be a fun
>alternative ;-)
>
>Edward
What I do with my hands is to heal or send "gobs" of energy.
When I am getting ready to do a healing, I rub my hands together to clear
out the old energy and then cup them and focus in on the energy in my
hand chakras. I then just "allow" my hands to move to whatever area needs
healing; this is the way that I have found works best for me.
Reiki is another route which is quite effective.
EaTrom
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:49:52
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
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CDeepa,
Please allow me a comment here... I was in the same boat, up the preverbal
creek, without the paddles for a long time. There are more of us whom have
been through a spontaneous awakening that do not chose to post. Usually we
hear from those who have practiced yoga and/or have had shakipat given by a
Guru. A few come forward to say that they had a spontaneous awakening.
Strange how we seem to be thrown into the pit of kundalini activity when we
haven't a clue.
When mine first started, I was not prepared for what followed. It took
several years before I found kundalini came calling with no forewarning...
or did she? Now in retrospect, I really think I had an inkling many years
ago but paid no heed to it. Once hearing music when it was not there, again
a voice speaking from nowhere, and yet a wee jolt months before the actual
kundalini activity started. Out of body experiences, dreams of flying
through space, and a feeling of something about to happen, but what? John
White's book was a blessing inasmuch as it cleared up all those dreams, and
other sensations I was going through... It was just one of those things,
you pick up a book and buy it with no idea as to why... you just do it!
That's where they answers come in, still you have a little doubt about your
sanity... even when you do a comparison, but they dream sequence was the
clincher, and this I could not deny or pass off as my imagination.
>Later.....much later...I did read some of G. Krishnas books....and he
described his fear and terror as a part of the process.....and I have read
other books too that have described this....I have to admit...I would love
for my experience to be one of exstasy....and of love and light...
At least Gopi K had worked to raise his kundalini for a very long time
through meditation and spiritual practices as many do, difference being, he
had no master to advise him. I can relate to that as well. If one doesn't
know what is happening then how does one know they need a master to bring
them along? I didn't, and I doubt that you did either. And no, I didn't
have the ecstasy either, just a quick bolt of electric-like current up the
spine and that was it... for a couple of days and then the activity began.
It still continues twelve years later, and I guess that if it should go
dormant, I would really miss it. There seems to be by-products of the
awakening, I know of one, but I'm still awaiting others.
Just to let you are not alone.
Peace
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:50:06
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An Observation
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Hello all,
As Kurt so aptly put it, one of the first indication is the hands. I had
the same thing years before K announced its arrival. I had never put it in
its proper prospective until this very day. Had I known about kundalini, I
may have had an inkling... about the hands, and the energy.
>As I've been taught it, in Qi Gong vibration in the hands is one of the
first signs of Qi activity - often the palms and underside of the fingers
become speckled with red and white . I've often wondered ``so where do we
go from here?'' myself. I got a good answer from a Zen roshi one time who
said: ``Don't focus on your own energy but on the energy of the universe
>around you.'' The world can certainly use some more Qi. When the ego drops
out of the picture then every day offers occasions for grounding, offering
solace and healing, others with your piece of the universal energy.
>
>I've also begun to believe that your qi/prana can be used as a medium for
others (dare I say higher beings?) to heal. I took a course from Erik
Voormans in a style of healing similar to what Barbara Brennan is teaching.
It seemed to me that in this approach my energy field was the base material
that other beings used to heal. This was very uplifting.
>Mangalam
>Kurt
Recently I heard from a friend who does healing and he said that he was
doing a different type of healing. I asked him if he thought that
angelic/higher beings were coming in helping him with his healing. I am
currently awaiting his reply.
love 'n light dor
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:25:07 -0400
From: Gabrielle Kortsch <gabrielle.kortschATnospamworldnet.att.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini or suicidal? (Huichol work of art)
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At 03:31 PM 9/8/97 +0000, DouglasMFATnospamaol.com wrote: (in reference to an
attachment)
>has anyone seen anything like the conical being on the bottom left? just
>curious...because this matches a vision of mine to the tee.
>-d
>
This is a Huichol (Mexican Indian) work generally made with yarn and in
highly vivid colors. The four cones represent (I believe from what I
remember about this art form) sacred objects, amongst others spirit, corn
and the peyote plant. I am trying to locate a tiny book I have on the
subject, but which is eluding my grasp.
Regards, Gabrielle
What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a
butterfly. Richard Bach
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:58:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <onarresATnospaminreach.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: New/Spiritual Emergency
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by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> CDeepa,
>
> Please allow me a comment here... I was in the same boat, up the preverbal
> creek, without the paddles for a long time. There are more of us whom have
> been through a spontaneous awakening that do not chose to post. Usually we
> hear from those who have practiced yoga and/or have had shakipat given by a
> Guru. A few come forward to say that they had a spontaneous awakening.
> Strange how we seem to be thrown into the pit of kundalini activity when we
> haven't a clue.
It isn't going to be even slightly unusual for this to happen to people
in this decade, and beyond. The energies are increasing and many will
have your experience. This is why it is important for each person to
really do the work to learn about getting connected into those higher
centers. The main reason for this is to detach from so much personal
thought and emotion so that the energies will move and carry the
soul/spirit into higher frequencies. Eventually one must work and
balance the lower centers but it helps to have learned the process when
that happens.
>
>
> >Later.....much later...I did read some of G. Krishnas books....and he
> described his fear and terror as a part of the process.....and I have read
> other books too that have described this....I have to admit...I would love
> for my experience to be one of exstasy....and of love and light...
Gene Kieffer, the man who worked with Gopi Krishna for many years is a
friend now. You are welcome to write and talk to him if you would like.
Gene is a dedicated servant to humanity and has got much of what has
been done in research and the foundation started for kundalini.
>
> At least Gopi K had worked to raise his kundalini for a very long time
> through meditation and spiritual practices as many do, difference being, he
It is all a process, if you detach you won't see it as either good or
bad, positive or negative, instead it will be just movement that you
observe and learn through. Gloria
>
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:01:07 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, JLewis7639ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini or Suicidal?
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>For the past year, I have been primary caregiver to my ex-husband who
>has had Multiple Sclerosis for about 10 years. The past 3 years his
>illness has gotten progressively worse, and he is paralyzed from the
>waist down and sometimes loses control of his hands too. He battles
>constant pain and depression but refused all medications. He
>meditates 4-6 or more hours per day, listening to music. When he
>was in the hospital for a year and a half, he told me about hearing
>the nurses' and patient's inner thoughts which were all negative.
>Now he talks about "entities" he has become sensitive to in our house
>which cause him to "double talk himself" or tell him to "do it". The
>other night he started beating the chair and when I ask him what was
>going on, he said the "entity" would leave him alone if he got angry.
> He thinks the entities have control over me too, which cause me to
>get angry with him. He talks to himself and laughs at nothing. He
>has nightmares almost every night and wakes up to "see persons"
>trying to kill him. He has talked about death a lot recently,
>although he hasn't actually talked about killing himself. My
>question is whether this could be a kundalini experience or does he
>need professional help or both?
>
>Michelle
Michelle,
Short answer "both." It is possible that your husband has had certain
brain centers open as a result of Kundalini process. This would allow
him to see astral beings as well as hear them. Not all astrals are good,
some are very evil. If your husband is dealing with such creatures they
will only go away when they want to go.
If you can find a counselor that works with individuals having
spiritual/kundalini related issues that would be best. Under the current
diagnosis guidelines spiritual emergence problems are recognized but not
all psychologists are up on them or on how to deal with them. If you
can get a counselor in your area that is involved in an organization
like the Spiritual Emergence Network (SEN) you'd stand a better chance
of getting someone qualified in the field.
If you strike out going through Yahoo or other search engine contact me
directly with your address (and if not in a large city the nearest city)
so we can try to locate someone near you and I'll see what information I
can get for you. I have a friend who is, or at least was, the regional
coordinator for SEN in my part of the country and she will have a
directory.
Due to personal conflicts I will be irregular in getting on the web and
checking my may for a while but will try to check as often as possible.
You have my admiration for your strength and courage. Nobility is
earned, it is not something one is born to. You seem to have earned it.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:25:35 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: 2 questions
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:22:37
From: awp <awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique
Serpent
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 2 questions
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>Hello,
>I have 2 questions for the list. The first is- How do symbols relate
>to Kundalini? Has any one any experience in this realm?
Not too sure on all symbols but yantras are both an expression of
Kundalini revealed patterns and an aid to entering a chakra or nadi or
opening a brain center associated with that yantra. Some of us gain more
help from yantras than others and some of us are more apt to see them (I
have a friend who first saw Sri Yantra in meditation, it was later she
saw a picture of it). Yantras haven't been a part of my path so I've
said all I safely can on the subject.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: DouglasMFATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: (Huichol work of art)
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I'm sorry I should have provided more information on this...you can find the
web page where many of their beautiful yarn paintings are at
http://www.leonardo.net/huicholart/
Thanks for all your insight...now I don't feel so awkward about what I saw.
I consider it very special to have shared that with other people and
although its meaning at the time is vague, i am sure someday things will come
together.
I'm sorry about the attachment thingy...i really didn't know we couldn't do
that.
I'll be more careful in the future.
the final peace completes the whole
-d
on the web:
http://members.tripod.com/~douglasmf/index-2.html
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:44:34 -1000 (HST)
From: Raja Bose <sun1212ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I feel that we need localized community centers where folks can get to
know each other face to face, first face to face then move out to other
regions. Drugs could be used at these gatherings.
Drugs give us a glimpse of a better future. I think the violence or
"unspirituality"(what about robin hood?) is the result of the frustrations
in the gap of what the present situation is and what could be.
Why do we have receptor cites in the brain that are filled with certain
vegetable kingdome plants? Why do we as humans seem to want to distance
ourselves from the mother vegetable earth kingdome? Why do we want to
move away from nature, the nature that sustains us. Why do we not
worship the certain psycoactive plants that give us these visions of
god, the whole, the over mind.
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