1997/09/05 02:02-kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #431

1997/09/05 02:02
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #431

kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 431

Today's Topics:
  "Living With Kundalini"
  Re: life imitates time
  Re: Judgement
  Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
  re: <none>
  Re: Judgment
  Re: life imitates time
  Kundalini (anonymously)
  Re: God is who/what?
  Chopra
  Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
  re: kundalini (anonymously)
  Re: judging Judgement
  Re: Chopra
  Re: Heart Sutra etc.
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:03:56
From: awp <awp.win-winATnospamsympatico.ca> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: "Living With Kundalini"
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Hi again,
This is a great passage from a great book by Gopi Krishna. I find great
inspiration from the text, so here it is.

"Living With Kundalini" chapter 20

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Without pride of achievement, without the least pretension to any devine
office, I humbly submit, on the strength of knowledge gained, that true
religion, infinitely more than what is or has been supposed to be, is in
reality the expression of the evolutionary impulse in human beings,
springing from an imperceptibly active though regularly functioning
organic power center in the body, amenable to voluntary stimulation
under favorable conditions.
Further, that the transcendental state, of which as yet only a faint
though unmistakable picture is available from descriptions furnished by
visionaries, is the natural heritage of the human race; with all it's
feelings and desires refined and restrained to act in consonance with
the needs a higher kind of perception. Also, that the happiness and
welfare of humankind depends on it's adherence to the yet unknown laws
of this evolutionary mechanism, know in India as kundalini, which is
carrying humanity towards a glorious state of consciousness with all
their capacities to act, love, and enjoy intact, enhanced rather than
diminished, but functioning in response to a cultivated will, in
obedience to the dictates of a properly developed conscience, and in
accordance with the decrees of a correctly informed intellect fully
aware of the goal in front of it..."

Living With Kundalini: the autobiography of Gopi Krishna /edited by
Leslie Shepard
Shambhala Publications, Inc.
Copyright 1993 by The Kundalini Research Foundation, Ltd.
ISBN 0-87773-947-1
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:02:58
From: brEYEnPR0stir <wakemupATnospameskimo.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates time
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(^more brain fodder:
>> we don't actually have a ready-made 'higher self',
>> only a 'casual body' which aids us in building it
>
>In every single cell of your body lies all the genetic information
>to make a new duplicate body.

(^on the net. yes.
>
(^><We are continuously creating completions.

(^>< The only thing we CAN do is change what we WERE into what we WILL BE..
(^><Our divinity is forever completing, and upgrading, just like our skin
layer.

(^>Self discovery is seeing the illusion as illuminating and directing
truth(s) to get better.
(^>Real alternatives... ARE there such a things?
>
>On the truest level THERE IS NO TIME!
>
(^ what time is it?
(^time to WAKE UP!!!!
(^but I need time to eat.
(^truth be damned! I got a body to feed here,
(^and it is TIME.... to feel... and time, to turn over.

(^and tECH (wo)MAN, .ini TIME, plays... (m)ANY PART(icles)

(^to everything, turn, turn, turn... like a wherling dervish.

(^time is a particle. a wave. I quit using math to distinguish it.

(^ what time is it? HOWDY DOODY TIME!

(^time to sign off.
>HITHERE<

(^time's a waistin'.... no pudding with no meat.
(^back away from the terminal.
(^reach for the refrigerator.

(^time to stay out of the sun until the burn meals heal.

====
(^complaining is as much a compliment as cheering,
(^and is most likely more useful than the shocked silence
(^ that comes from hearing something too astounding for words.

>man doesKN0T descend from M0Nkeys....
>.man dozen dish end fr0m B1RDS....
> mendishunt thisend fr0hm F1SH...
>mandizint D'send frum M1CR'0rg.anISMS
>
>' MANDISCENDS FROMTHE`C0Mputer CH1P
>andthe r'FR1Gerater andtheFRYing PAN ! (fry1NG pan...)
>(L1GHT 1S N0T awav.....)
>DARwin wasWRONG ! DARW1N was WR0NG !
>darW0N wasWR0NG !
>Andyou'd BESTthr0w a11 yourl BO0KS awayz.
>..Y0U'D best thr0W ALL th0se b00ks aWAAYee...'
>
> ==excerpt from "Get It Straight"
> Dan Bern(revised in 1995)
> then prespleckt B1 (brEYEnd)
>
>traumatileyes urlself:
> http://www.eskimo.com/~wakemup

wakemupATnospameskimo.com
page 1800-797-2106
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:14:56 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Judgement
Message-ID: <340F4F00.113EATnospambest.com>

Duncan, Mark (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:

It seems to me that there is a lot of bickering on the list. The
> bickering has a physical effect on me... ...upset stomach, tension,
> etc.
>
> I would sit here saying how can they judge what this person said as if
> they were THE AUTHORITY on the subject.
>
> Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(
>
> The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
> thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
> through my brain/mind was in some form a judgement. This displeases me
> > greatly. I don't want to be judgmental.

Dear Mark,
I've lived with kundalini for many years and have seen many others
through it also. Some stages of kundalini seem universal.
I have found that judgement is a stage. When we become intensely aware
of other's being judgemental and find this also in ourselves, it is the
beginning. Next comes a long period of being increasinly judgemental
and being upset by it in oourselves. Last comes the awareness of pain
from being judged in the past, and relief from the narrowness of
judgement.
After that, you still have an opinion which you can freely express.
It is expressed from your personal experience and personal perspective.
Morgana
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:22:08 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: "Carl J R Johansson (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <cjjohansATnospamcc.helsinki.fi>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: life imitates melodrama, dammit
Message-ID: <340F50B0.7C0DATnospambest.com>

Carl J R Johansson (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:

> I freely admit however (as some might have suspected) that it might be
> difficult for me personally to live in such a society, I have experienced
> a number of put-downs by assertive women in my life already (most notably
> my step-mother). Not wishing to spoil the mailing list with some gender
> war, and hoping that respondents do not wish that either (so let's try to
> stay even-minded, shall we?).
>
> cj
Carl,
The strong women in our society are often wounded by the resistance to
their strength. They sometimes lose the balance of vulverability, and
are angry and demonstrative of their power. I've been there...finding a
balance pont isn't easy because there's so little validation and
acceptance of the middle road.
I was raised in a matriarchal family, and it's not better, just
different. Men have to strugle for their identity the same way that
women in the greater culture have to, and sometimes become disempowering
of women in an effort to "have theirs too". As long as we, any of us,
secretly perceive the other sex as having more power, then I believe
that we shall be in contention. Friendship is founded upon the
perception of equality.
Morgana
Date: 04 Sep 97 19:28:00 CDT
From: LWAITEATnospamgc.gundluth.org (LAWRENCE WAITE D.O.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: <none>
Message-Id: <11A60E3481493B0CATnospam-SMF->
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>Date: 04-Sep-1997 19:24:09 -0500
>From: kundalini-l-requestATnospamexecpc.com
>To: LWAITEATnospamGC.GUNDLUTH
>Subject: <none>
>
>Carl J R Johansson (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
>> I freely admit however (as some might have suspected) that it might be
>> difficult for me personally to live in such a society, I have experienced
>> a number of put-downs by assertive women in my life already (most notably
>> my step-mother). Not wishing to spoil the mailing list with some gender
>> war, and hoping that respondents do not wish that either (so let's try to
>> stay even-minded, shall we?).
>>
>> cj
>Carl,
>The strong women in our society are often wounded by the resistance to
>their strength. They sometimes lose the balance of vulverability, and
>are angry and demonstrative of their power. I've been there...finding a
>balance pont isn't easy because there's so little validation and
>acceptance of the middle road.
>I was raised in a matriarchal family, and it's not better, just
>different. Men have to strugle for their identity the same way that
>women in the greater culture have to, and sometimes become disempowering
>of women in an effort to "have theirs too". As long as we, any of us,
>secretly perceive the other sex as having more power, then I believe
>that we shall be in contention. Friendship is founded upon the
>perception of equality.
>Morgana
>
Friendship differs on basis if it is Utalitarian or Shared Pleasure Based
or Intimacy Based. Three different basis, function and action per
Aristotle
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:46:57 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Judgment
Message-Id: <199709050057.UAA27154ATnospamhoboken>

Mark,

> It seems to me that there is a lot of bickering on the list. The
> bickering has a physical effect on me... ...upset stomach, tension,

Difference of opinion need not necessarily be construed as bickering.

As far as the tension, this might work: Take three very deep breaths with
your eyes closed. With each breath, think to yourself, "My inner being is
aware." Then, ask yourself just what is it that is causing the tension.
Chances are, it won't be anything specific from the list, but rather a
resonance with an inner block.

BTW, this technique seems to work quite well for any questions that you
might have on just about anything.

> Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(

Everyone judges. That's because we are humans with a past and a culture
and a set of preconceived notions. It has helped me to question my
beliefs---not just the really big ones, but the little ones...the beliefs
that seem self-evident. Sometimes these "self-evident" beliefs are the
ones that I've found should have the most scrutiny. All too often, those
are the ones (in my experience) that I can best do without.

> By the way is there anything universal about reality?

You have asked a really big question. Paraphrased, it reads: Are there any
Absolutes?

Although my opinion is not written on stone, as it stands now I'd have to
say---I don't think so.

> I like Pooh in The Tao of Pooh. Pooh didn't have to be, he just was.

:-) And maybe we should all pay attention to that lesson.

> So what does this have to do with Kundalini? Doesn't K uproot all
> preconceived notions of self and the environment of self?

It certainly did for me.

brEYEnPR0stir (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:

> (^>< The only thing we CAN do is change what we WERE into what we WILL BE..
> (^><Our divinity is forever completing, and upgrading, just like our skin
> layer.

What we were is past.

There is no past.

What we will become
surely lies in the future.

There is no future.

What are We right now?

There is only This Moment.
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:18:11
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini (anonymously)
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Forwarded from a member who prefers anonymity..reply to the list, or to me
and I will forward. List Mystress.
>
>

>
>After joining this group, I am overwhelmed with e-mail.
>
>I would like to tell you my experience with Kundalini, and will let you
>decide if you feel this to be important to anyone.
>
>A couple of years ago, I was under great stress and experienced a very
>noticeable, fast heartbeat. After a very thorough physical examination by
>my cardiologist, I learned I was free of heart disease and in good health.
>I decided to take a course in bio-feedback in Houston. The center is a
>recognized institution, with doctors, and trained bio-feedback personal. Up
>to this time, I had never heard of Kundalini and was not told anything
>about it. I underwent training in lowering my temperature, and then
>proceeded with the bio-feedback sessions. Since I was from out of town, I
>took 2 sessions daily for about 4 weeks.
>After a few sessions my fast heartbeat disappeared and I felt less
>stressed. As soon as I was connected to the machine, and later without the
>machine, I could enter the theta state, and black and purple and some ugly
>mustard color visions would appear. Towards the end of my training I had
>this strange experience, which I was told by the lady who attended me, was
>a Kundalini. She told me I had been in theta for 45 minutes, and I related
>what I saw: a purple, pulsating horn of plenty which was turning upward on
>a pulsating black
>background. The colors black and purple were so beautifully vibrant, I
>would never be able to explain them to anybody. They weren't just black and
>purple, as we know the colors, but an indescribable brilliance.
>Afterwards I felt very happy and good towards every creature. I had no pain
>or any discomfort, but I could not have told an untruth if I had tried.
>This remained with me for some time, and than went away.
>
>What I would like to know is, what I accomplished by having had a
>Kundalini, aside from this one time fabulous experience? I thought, maybe
>there would be some lasting benefits. I did not keep on meditating,
>although I can still go into theta very quickly.
>What would you advise me to do?
>Thank you for your consideration.
>

>
>
>

Mystress Angelique Serpent,
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:13:00
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God is who/what?
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970904191300.354f0efcATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Friend, You said, "Do not say God is love." What is love? Perhaps we
could all brainstorm this one. I think it may be beneficial. Did you know
that in English we have only one word for love? In other languages there are
70 or more words for love? Is this a problem for us? Perhaps. Would it help
us 'feel' more if we could identify more holistically with love? It seems so
limiting to think that we have only one box to put such a magnificent
conceptual feeling into. Is it no wonder we have so much trouble with our
feeling selves. Feelings of tenderness and intimacy and compassion! Why do
we equate feeling only with carnality? What is missing? Without feeling,
there is no sense of virtue and without virtue the meaning of life seems
..........well......................meaningless?
Namaste. Linda
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:08:22 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Chopra
Message-Id: <199709050319.XAA28450ATnospamhoboken>

Hi everybody,

FWIW: for a not too complimentary view of Deepak Chopra, this page:
http://trancenet.org/chopra/

Also FWIW: Humorist Dave Berry devoted a not very cordial chapter in a
recent book to his encounters with Chopra while waiting in Green Rooms for
various talk shows.

Sharon
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:13:13 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddhism, heart sutra in particular
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I have two interests in this thread:

1) Discerning what topics are relevant to this listserver.

2) Concerns regarding the authenticity of some of the information posted on
Buddhism in this listserver.

Regarding the topics that are relevant to this listserver.
Personally I would prefer that EVERY post on this listserver be strongly
related to kundalini. I think that there are many good outlets for
discussing Buddhism, Candida and other topics that seem to me to be
peripheral to kundalini. Of course the role of kundalini (known as Candali)
in Buddhism or the effect of kundalini on curing/aggravating Candida is an
exception. On the other hand I see posts from others who want to ensure
that the group stay broad so I would say that this is just something for
members to decide - any comments from others on this?

So presuming that people feel that Buddhism is appropriate to discuss on
this listserver, even when divorced from any particular relationship to
kundalini, then I come to point 2:

Questioning the authenticity of some of the information posted on Buddhism
in this listserver.

I don't mean to personalize this in any way and I don't criticize anyone
for posting information that they personally find meaningful but while the
Theosophical Society was certainly influential in bringing Buddhism to the
awareness of the western world, and their publications were ground-breaking
at the time, today, some 70 (100?) years later, we now have access to many
living exponents of the Buddhist tradition who can trace their lineage back
to Buddha, or at least to teachers in the early Buddhist universities such
as Nalanda. As a result I believe that there are much better sources of
information on Buddhism than texts such as the ``Voice of Silence'' and
other publications of the Theosophical Society. So when Angelique says:

At 11:01 PM 9/3/97, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> I think it is rather, Ram's inner voice commenting on his humility.. he
>is a buddhist scholar, he is studying buddhism, isn't he? So he hasn't got
>all the answers yet and avoids titles? A scholar is not a person who has
>finished studying, it is a person who IS studying. Whether he goes to the
>U. of Buddah or the U. of Life/kundalini makes little difference. He has
>the blue fire scholarship, sponsored by Goddess..
> Blessings, A.

Insofar as I have come to an assessment of the teachings of Gautama Buddha,
it is my impression that he was very interested in precision. So if we're
discussing Buddhism I suggest that we, in honor of him, remain precise.
Buddha himself often likened his dharma to medicine. So let me suggest an
analogy: Let's presume that we DO want to discuss Candida in this
newsgroup. I think that if someone started posting loads of medical
information that was generally considered to be unfounded and inaccurate
then someone would eventually complain wouldn't they? I don't think that
``the blue fire of scholarship'' can compensate for inaccurate information.
The valid sources of information in Buddhism are well defined within
Buddhism itself. If we're going to exposit at length on that tradition
let's stick to the rules and quote Buddhist Sutras.

I guess I've spent alot of time on this post and I'm afraid it's still not
clear. I deeply value every heartfelt contribution to this listserver but
whenever someone goes on expositing at length on a topic I am pretty strong
about asking: What are your sources? And when based on what I've learned it
appears to me that the sources are poorly founded then (perhaps I'm deluded
but) I feel that there is a general value in questioning them. It's a heavy
weight to carry I know - but until my mind changes it looks like I'm stuck
with it.

May all sentient beings find comfort and joy!
Kurt
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:40:17 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: re: kundalini (anonymously)
Message-Id: <199709050351.XAA28693ATnospamhoboken>

To Anonymous,

>She told me I had been in theta for 45 minutes, and I related
>what I saw: a purple, pulsating horn of plenty which was turning upward on
>a pulsating black
>background. The colors black and purple were so beautifully vibrant, I
>would never be able to explain them to anybody. They weren't just black
and
>purple, as we know the colors, but an indescribable brilliance.
>Afterwards I felt very happy and good towards every creature. I had no
pain
>or any discomfort, but I could not have told an untruth if I had tried.
>This remained with me for some time, and than went away.

It seems to me that your experience might fall under the category of a
numinous hypnagogic experience rather than kundalini.

Hypnagogic visions may be seen when a person is in a theta brain-wave
state; ie., when the brain waves are at 3-7 cycles per second. I have been
stuck in this state many times for hours, and I understand perfectly what
you're saying when you refer to the vibrance and brilliance of the colors.
The visions seen in this state are more real than reality, if that makes
any sense. BTW, I have often seen the black and purple swirls of color
that you describe and which resemble nebulae. I believe they occur in a
very low alpha state (which is just above theta). When the alpha state
dips down into theta, the sharp clear visions occur instantly.

Hope this helps.

>
> Then it occurred to me... ...I WAS JUDGING TOO! Extreme distress :-(
>
> The more I thought about it the more I found that I judge with every
> thought. It seems to me that every electrical or photon impulse going
> through my brain/mind was in some form a judgment. This displeases me
> greatly. I don't want to be judgmental.

Congratulations Mark. You have just discovered a fundamental truth--WE
ALL JUDGE.

And it only caused you slightly inconvenient physical symptoms. Count
your blessings.

But do note that there are as many definitions of judgment as love. Let
us look at some of them:

Sound judgment: If I saw someone walking through the parking lot
randomly shooting people, I would conclude that this person was a
murderer and that I should take some form of immediate action.

Irrational judgment: If the person described above was black, and I
began to fear/hate/avoid all blacks because of the action of this one, I
would be greatly limiting my ability to experience life.

Projected judgment: If I met this same person 10 years later (assuming
that he was in a different frame of mind) could I let go of my past
conditioning?

That is the trick as I see it. Understand that we have all been in
every position imaginable at some time or another. Give yourself and
others the room to move.

As has been said many times on this list--Life exists only in this
moment.

Do you see the now?

love,

joe
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:26:43 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chopra
Message-ID: <340F9813.2D83ATnospambest.com>

Sharon Webb wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> FWIW: for a not too complimentary view of Deepak Chopra, this page:
> http://trancenet.org/chopra/
>

Thanks for the information, Sharon, I suspect that you're not vested in
it and were supplying more fodder for the Chopra conversation.

I'm not a fan of Chopras- I agree with Angelique's comment that his
books promise a lot, but it's surface material. The average person,
though, is exposed to thoughts that we are used to and take for granted
because of Chopra's work. The information that we are hungry for would
not interest the public because they are still opening up to concepts
that we have already internalized. Chopra will take them to an awareness
that we as individuals rarely can.
  I found this article to be the grousing of a disgruntled employee, one
who apparently didn't do the job he was hired to do. He seems upset that
his salary was tied to production (??? what universe did he beam in
from?). He also seems upset that Chopra enjoys the fruits of his hard
labors. I wasn't aware that a vow of poverty was requisite for a
spiritual guru. The only documetation that this ex-employee provides (a
memo) actually shows that Chopra walks his talk.
  I've also heard comments from time to time about how obnoxious Dave
Berry is in person. Maybe most people try to ignore him.
   Morgana
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:32:50 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Heart Sutra etc.
Message-ID: <340F9982.4A5BATnospambest.com>

om>
>

I guess I've spent alot of time on this post and I'm afraid it's still
not clear. I deeply value every heartfelt contribution to this
listserver but
> whenever someone goes on expositing at length on a topic I am pretty
strong
> about asking: What are your sources? And when based on what I've
learned it
> appears to me that the sources are poorly founded then (perhaps I'm
deluded
> but) I feel that there is a general value in questioning them. It's a
heavy
> weight to carry I know - but until my mind changes it looks like I'm
stuck
> with it.
>
> May all sentient beings find comfort and joy!
> Kurt
>
> an opinion:

  Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules!

  Some on this list are heart-centered. Some are head-centered. And
some, by the blessings of the Goddess Kundalini, are centered in
spirit. This list serves all of them. Narrowness would not serve this
purpose so well as openess.
  Morgana

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1997/09/05 02:02
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #431