1997/08/16  13:47  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #400 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 400
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Another Delurk 
  Welcome to the List. 
  Mystress off sailing 
  Re: Kundalini and menopause 
  Re:White Powder of Gold 
  RE: The mail...being touched 
  A Sweet Little Story 
  Hormones (fwd) 
  Re: hormone facts 
  Re: sexuality and ks-list 
  It's all true 
  Using the Angels  
  Re: Using the Angels  
  Re: sexuality and ks-list (fwd) 
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:41:40 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: "Brian Reuter (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <BReuterATnospamus.teltech.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Another Delurk 
Message-ID: <33F46AA4.1949ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Brian Reuter (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote: 
>  
> My name is Brian and I have been lurking for a couple weeks. Since so many 
> people are delurking I thought it was time for me to do the same. I have 
> only recently come to know about Kundalini and have been following 
> meditations outlined in John Selby's book "Kundalini Awakening: A Gentle 
> Guide to Chakra Activation and Spiritual Development." Prior to this I have 
> been meditating for about a year. I have not had any big experiences or 
> anything that has changed my outlook on life, but I have had some small, 
> interesting little things happen that I would like to get some feed back 
> on. 
>  
> Since I have started doing K meditations I have noticed that I only 
> experience some minor tingly type energy in certian chakra's, specifically 
> the first, second, sixth and seventh. I never really feel anything in the 
> other chakra's. Why might that be? Also, after I do a complete session, I 
> usually just sit and experience the very small energy flows (if there are 
> any) and sometimes while doing this I see these purple circles (with my 
> eyes closed) of light that appear to emanate from me and move out in front 
> of me, one after the other. They are spaced about a second or so apart. 
> What might these blobs of light be? 
>  
> Can't wait to hear some feed back. 
>  
> Thanks, 
>  
> Brian
 
YOu are experiencing little activity in your sixth chakra, you will 
likely become psychic if you don't get more into the heart center. A lot 
of people think it is great to have this psychic awareness, for those on 
the spiritual path it can create a detour, my advise is to focus 
attention on building a relationship with your inner truth which will 
take you to a personal realtionship with God. And, it will help you to 
get centered in the heart, the heart is the base center for your 
spiritual consciousness. 
 
Glad to meet you Brian. 
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:04:21 
From: WAR111ATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Welcome to the List. 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970815180421.272fcdaeATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Hi Mary,  You asked if sex could be used to achive K,  Absolutely!  Search: 
Tantra  
for futher information.
 
Welcome to the List.
 
WAR 
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:34:30 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Mystress off sailing 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
  I am off sailing for the weekend, till Monday eve. 
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:15:27 -0400 
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net> 
To: "Ruth Trimble (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and menopause 
Message-ID: <33F4101F.5681ATnospambridge.net> 
 
HI Ruth,
 
I went through a lot of unconfortable changes... I started with 
menopause at 38.... Now I take a natural complex of hormones, called 
Triest. I use the 1800 number of the womens International Pharmacy, they 
send it to me every  month automatically, and you pay them on arrival by 
check, very convenient. 
I take that and DHea and I feel great now. withe Premarin and other 
things I got fat and sad. Premarin is done with the urine of pregnant 
mares... UHGh!
 
I hope I can help, if you want the 1800 # let me know Iwill get it for 
you. 
LOve  
LISSETTE 
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:23:51 -0400 
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net> 
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
CC: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re:White Powder of Gold 
Message-ID: <33F41217.1C30ATnospambridge.net> 
 
HI everyone! 
Has anyone heard about a guy called David Hudson, that says he 
discovered the White Powder Of Gold, that is supposed to cure and 
arrange our DNA? He says it is Life itself, and that he became across it 
by accident in a chemical experiment that bacame an Alchemic phenomena.I 
have a video someone gave me and it is super interesting, if it is true. 
Has anyone heard of this at all?????
 
Wishing you more ((((light))))
 
Lissette 
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:30:06 +0100 
From: Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk> 
To: "'by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>'" 
  <JustafeinATnospamaol.com>, 
 "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" 
  <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: RE: The mail...being touched 
Message-ID: <01BCAA55.6D7ECD60ATnospammirage10.legend.co.uk> 
 
This is not the end: it is not even the beginning of the end.  It is perhaps the end of the beginning.
 
-----Original Message----- 
From:	by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> [SMTP:JustafeinATnospamaol.com] 
Sent:	Thursday, August 14, 1997 3:29 PM 
To:	kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject:	The mail...being touched
 
hello all,
 
i seemed to have made a mistake and deleted the mail, being touched. would 
anyone mind sending that to me again, it would be so appreciated. thank you 
so much.
 
joey 
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:24:39 -0400 
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx) 
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: A Sweet Little Story 
Message-ID: <19970816.102940.13526.5.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
 
Hi All...
 
Since the list is usually quiet during the weekends, I thought I'd share 
this story with you.... xxxtg
 
SMALL WOODEN PEOPLE
 
The Wemmicks were small wooden people. Each of the wooden people was  
carved by a woodworker named Eli. His workshop sat on a hill overlooking 
their village.
 
Every Wemmick was different. Some had big noses, others had large eyes.  
Some were tall and others were short. Some wore hats, others wore coats.  
But all were made by the same carver and all lived in the village.
 
And all day, every day, the Wemmicks did the same thing: They gave each  
other stickers. Each Wemmick had a box of golden star stickers and a box  
of gray dot stickers. Up and down the streets all over the city, people  
could be seen sticking stars or dots on one another.
 
The pretty ones, those with smooth wood and fine paint, always got  
stars.  But if the wood was rough or the paint chipped, the Wemmicks gave 
dots.
 
The talented ones got stars, too. Some could lift big sticks high above  
their heads or jump over tall boxes. Still others knew big words or could 
sing very pretty songs. Everyone gave them stars.  Some Wemmicks had 
stars 
all over them! Every time they got a star it  made them feel so good that 
they did something else and got another star. 
 
Others though, could do little. They got dots.  Punchinello was one of 
these. 
He tried to jump high like the others, but he always fell. And when he 
fell, 
the others would gather around and give him dots.
 
Sometimes when he fell, it would scar his wood, so the people would give  
him more dots. He would try to explain why he fell and say something  
silly, and the Wemmicks would give him more dots.
 
After a while he had so many dots that he didn't want to go outside. He  
was afraid he would do something dumb such as forget his hat or step in  
the water, and then people would give him another dot. In fact, he had  
so many gray dots that some people would come up and give him one  
without reason.
 
"He deserves lots of dots," the wooden people would agree with one  
another. "He's not a good wooden person." After a while Punchinello  
believed them. "I'm not a good Wemmick," he would say. The few times he  
went outside, he hung around other Wemmicks who had a lot of dots. He  
felt better around them.
 
One day he met a Wemmick who was unlike any he'd ever met. She had no  
dotsor stars. She was just wooden. Her name was Lulia.  It wasn't that 
people 
didn't try to give her stickers; it's just that the stickers didn't 
stick. 
Some admired Lulia for having no dots, so they would run up and give her 
a 
star. But it would fall off. Some would look down on her for having no 
stars, 
so they would give her a dot. But  
it wouldn't stay either.
 
'That's the way I want to be,' thought Punchinello. 'I don't want 
anyone's 
marks.' So he asked the stickerless Wemmick how she did it. 
 
"It's easy," Lulia replied, "everyday I go to see Eli."
 
"Eli?"
 
"Yes, Eli. The woodcarver. I sit in the workshop with him." 
 
"Why?"
 
"Why don't you find out for yourself? Go up the hill. He's there."   And  
with that the Wemmick with no marks turned and skipped away.  "But he 
won't 
want to see me!" Punchinello cried out. Lulia didn't hear. 
 
So Punchinello went home. He sat near a window and watched the wooden  
people as they scurried around giving each other stars and dots. "It's  
not right," he muttered to himself. And he resolved to go see Eli. 
He walked up the narrow path to the top of the hill and stepped into the  
big shop. His wooden eyes widened at the size of everything. The stool  
was as tall as he was. He had to stretch on his tiptoes to see the top  
of the workbench. A hammer was as long as his arm. Punchinello swallowed  
hard. "I'm not staying here!" and he turned to leave. Then he heard his  
name.
 
"Punchinello?" The voice was deep and strong.
 
Punchinello stopped.  "Punchinello!  How good to see you. Come and let me 
have a look at you."
 
Punchinello turned slowly and looked at the large bearded craftsman.  
"You know my name?" the little Wemmick asked.
 
"Of course I do. I made you." 
 
Eli stooped down and picked him up and set him on the bench. "Hmm," the 
maker spoke thoughtfully as he inspected the gray circles. "Looks like 
you've been given some bad marks."
 
"I didn't mean to, Eli. I really tried hard."
 
"Oh, you don't have to defend yourself to me, child. I don't care what  
the other Wemmicks think."
 
You don't?"
 
"No, and you shouldn't either. Who are they to give stars or dots?  
They're 
Wemmicks just like you. What they think doesn't matter,  Punchinello. All 
that matters is what I think. And I think you are pretty special."
 
Punchinello laughed. "Me, special? Why? I can't walk fast. I can't jump.  
My paint is peeling. Why do I matter to you?"
 
Eli looked at Punchinello, put his hands on those small wooden  
shoulders, and spoke very slowly. "Because you're mine. That's why you  
matter to me."
 
Punchinello had never had anyone look at him like this--much less his 
maker. He didn't know what to say.
 
"Every day I've been hoping you'd come," Eli explained.
 
"I came because I met someone who had no marks."
 
"I know. She told me about you."
 
"Why don't the stickers stay on her?"
 
"Because she has decided that what I think is more important than what  
they think. The stickers only stick if you let them."
 
"What?"
 
"The stickers only stick if they matter to you. The more you trust my  
love, the less you care about the stickers."
 
"I'm not sure I understand."
 
"You will, but it will take time. You've got a lot of marks. For now,  
just come to see me every day and let me remind you how much I care."
 
Eli lifted Punchinello off the bench and set him on the ground.  
"Remember," 
Eli said as the Wemmick walked out the door. "You are special because I 
made 
you. And I don't make mistakes."
 
Punchinello didn't stop, but in his heart he thought, "I think he really 
means it."
 
And when he did, a dot fell to the ground.
 
 
--by Max Lucado 
>From the book, "Tell Me The Secrets >> 
Date: 	Sat, 16 Aug 1997 04:28:36 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Hormones (fwd) 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970816041544.2062C-100000ATnospamuhunix4> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
More on the subject of Menopause and the Medical Establishment in the US. 
 
I have taken my DHEA and wild Yam for granted living in the US. However, 
Karin from Australia has just visited me and says that neither is 
available in Australia.. and recently I got a mailing that soon because of 
monolithic German pharmaceutical companies wanting to control the entire 
market, even the US will lose the privilege of using these....including 
such simple things a s vitamin C, B, Beta Carotene etc.  I am hoping that 
this assault on the freedom and health of 250 million people in the US who 
have had this choice and been using it in record numbers (50% of pop. uses 
alternative medicine) will explode this whole world monopoly (Nazi?) on 
our health and well being.  
AND if it doesn't then there is not much hope for humanity - we might as 
well give over all our power to the World Management Team and go play 
solitaire! 
 -------------FOUND at a  Site on Women's issues at : 
www.trufax. com - 
 
While the so-called 'experts' on women's health are reassuring women that 
there are no, or at least only very minor, unpleasant side-effects, Dr 
Lynette J. Dumble, Senior Research Fellow at the University of Melbourne's 
Department of Surgery at the Royal Melbourne Hospital, believes that "the 
sole basis of HRT is to create a commercial market that is highly 
profitable for the pharmaceutical companies and doctors. The supposed 
benefits of HRT are totally unproven." She believes that HRT not only 
exacerbates the presenting health problems but also contributes to the 
acceleration of the ageing process of women. It either hastens the onset 
of other medical conditions or worsens the existing ones. 
 
This perspective seems to be validated by the recent findings from a 
landmark study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 1995, 
involving 121,700 women, which revealed startling effects from HRT. It 
warned that women who used HRT to offset the symptoms of menopause also 
increased their chance of developing breast cancer by 30 to 40 per cent by 
taking the hormone for more than five years. In women aged between 60 and 
64, the risk of breast cancer rose to 70 per cent after five years of HRT. 
Finally, the study concluded that women using HRT were 45 per cent more 
likely to die from breast cancer than those who chose not to use HRT or 
used it for less than five years.6
 
According to Leslie Kenton, author of Passage to Power, "everybody who is 
anybody will tell you that menopause is an oestrogen-deficiency disease 
and that you will need to take more oestrogen as you approach mid-life. 
What may surprise you is this: not only is most of such commonly given 
advice on menopause wrong, a great deal of it can be positively 
dangerous." 
 
Fortunately there is another side to the hormone story-a perspective that 
not only can assist women of all ages to attain greater health but also to 
reclaim a greater sense of power, responsibility and dignity in their 
lives.  
-------- 
Aloha from Hawaii... 
Date: 	Sat, 16 Aug 1997 05:07:23 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: hormone facts 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970816050051.16619B-100000ATnospamuhunix3> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
Hi M.  What you say: >>So, I conclude, HRT is a male establishment plot to 
maintain dominance over uppity females...Keep 'em drugged and passive and 
immature and ever-seeking the perfect mate.  Mature conscious women are a 
big threat to the staus quo, ya know?  
>>
 
YES... it is a form of castration as is the PILL and hysterectomy... all 
reduce the viability of the female's intuition and innate nature. Every 
time I tried to use something artificial, I found my intuition seriously 
impaired.. to the extent of having accidents with my body which I would 
normally never have because my intuition would always keep me away from 
them.  My lastest with Estrace - I tried for 3 days.. and wept all the 
time uncontrollably...and had strange moods that my daughter could not 
even tell who I was.  I hear some women have been on this for 15 years. I 
wonder where all their soul essence has gone that they have not had 
available to them.   
It sounds paranoid.. especially if you are a male... but these days when 
you see a pattern of such behavior against women... you have to just 
synthesize it to a conclusion.. it is a concerted attack on the feminine. 
But then.. .so has been the last 2000 years of history...so it is time for 
herstory... the feminine is back...the Goddess has awakened. Look outATnospam** 
Kundalini is HERE! 
Ruth   
Date: 	Sat, 16 Aug 1997 05:25:48 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: sexuality and ks-list 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970816051542.16619D-100000ATnospamuhunix3> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
Hi KList 
I had always understood that the sexual energy was inextricably linked to 
the healing ability. In my research regarding the Caduceus (see my article 
on K. at site below) I found that the symbol of Mercury or Hermes - the 
Caduceus staff was symbollic of doctors and still is.  This symbol 
indicated that the doctor had become celibate/brahmcharya (or at least did 
not spill his semen in biological function) and he had funnelled his 
sexual ojas (or light seeds) to healing others.  Thus he would have a halo 
around the head, and just his presence in the sick room might be 
sufficient to heal the sick. 
 
I have a doctor who is very spiritual and 
sometimes I go to see him with a strep throat and he puts his hands on my 
throat to examine it.. and suddenly there is no illness there. I just get 
up and leave amazed. He laughs as it happens to him all the time.  So he 
is what I call a "real" healing doctor.  Unfortunately there are too few 
of them around.
 
Can you imagine how many doctors would be practicing if you told them that 
the requirement (as it was in the ancient times) was to be unable to have 
sex for their entire practicing careers?  They would run a mile. 
 
So I believe that like the story of the genie in the bottle who brings the 
gift of healing... Kundalini is the genie that brings the ability to heal 
and cure other people... it is not about psychic abilities as we have 
discussed... although I can attest, that comes with it.. it is not about 
being an elite of geniuses either.. it is about becoming a healer like the 
Christ.. to others.  That's my two cents...  Ruth 
****** 
Date: 	Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:20:20 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: It's all true 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970816091936.10138C-100000ATnospamuhunix4> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
To: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net> 
Subject: Re: sexuality and ks-list
 
Hi Mike: 
I agree with everything you wrote and everything I wrote. I see no 
contradiction... I guess you just needed to express what you felt. 
Blessings, Ruth 
 
***** 
Date: 	Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:10:38 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: harrythATnospamSOL.RACSA.CO.CR 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Using the Angels  
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970816094707.10138H-100000ATnospamuhunix4> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
Hi Harry:  
Your long letter was wellworth reading. Thank you for this. You brought 
into my consciousness a lesson that I had been told only 2 weeks ago about 
the situation of a beloved one who has been used and abused in the dark 
secret world of the US military/space complex.  It has been a long 
process of them dismantling my friend's life force and will. What was a 
beautifully creative, alive,intelligent, sensual, passionate and sensitive 
astronomer/scientist seems now to be a robot.. a droid without any 
feelings at all with merely a whisper of will of his own.  
At one point he was within narrow margin of death.. they had done 
unspeakable tortures to him...things that make Bergen Belsen look like a 
picnic.. as only the darkest of the dark could invent.  This is not about 
just killing a person, it is about destroying the soul and using the body 
as the soul within is devoid of all but the thinnest thread of 
consciousness.. without will to prevent his own body doing their darkest 
agenda. There are many many people who are being used this way...and many 
do not even know it. It is Atlantis all over again...
 
In my efforts to support him I was using my own life force.. and I was 
dragging through each day half dead myself.  Yet I felt if I did not lend 
something to him, he would slip away forever...into a dark soul hell.  But 
my friends helped me see that I should ask the angels around both of us to 
do the real work.. that I should just ask that light be sent - request it 
of the universe to heal and help him with light and love.. and LO.. he 
came out of it to some extent and .. I now have my life back. I can get on 
and be a person again instead of a sort of walking corpse.  His situation 
is guided by the angels and I know whatever the outcome he is protected by 
Arch Angel Michael's blue sword of light.  Whatever his destiny, they will 
protect him and I am able to be more support to him happy and thriving 
than ever I was half dead.  
  
For you your drug dealing neighbor was a huge "enemy" and for me the whole 
Reptoid and Grey agenda that is trying to take over our planet and control 
our atmosphere was the "enemy." Whoever they are.. and whatever 
they are they all part of the universal One.. and it is through the 
universal One that their power is derived and taken away. So my prayers go 
to the universal One and the angels of light to take care of something 
that I alone cannot deal with. What you say is so enlightening to me 
Harald, that we are the conduit.. the medium of the light knowing where to 
direct itself to turn darkness into light.   
I have been the Eyes the Knowing of what has been going on with my friend, 
and I do not have to take responsibility for his life or for their 
wickedness... as I did think - it was so so hard.  But now I realize I am 
just the finger that points in a direction and says.. "Hey Light.. shine 
there."  Haleluya...  
Thank you so much Harald for your story.. and I am very happy that you and 
I have been able to find this profound solution to a very perplexing 
issue.. what to do about great darkness. 
Ask the angels... there are plenty of them, and they have the soul essence 
to give to these tasks that we do not.  I hve a lovely message from Arch 
Angel Michael if anyone wants to see it I will post it.
 
 Blessings, Ruth 
 
***** 
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Using the Angels  
Message-Id: <199708162035.NAA13225ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 10:10 AM 8/16/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote: 
>Hi Harry:  
>Your long letter was wellworth reading. 
 
>I do not have to take responsibility for his life or for their 
>wickedness... as I did think - it was so so hard.  But now I realize I am 
>just the finger that points in a direction and says.. "Hey Light.. shine 
>there."  Haleluya... 
 
 I hve a lovely message from Arch 
>Angel Michael if anyone wants to see it I will post it. 
> 
> Blessings, Ruth  
> 
>****
 
This was WOW. Thanks
 
I'd love to read the message, Ruth.  Please send it.  
 
I never saw Harry's post.  Was it to the K list?
 
M 
Date: 	Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:38:06 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: sexuality and ks-list (fwd) 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970816103711.19350B-100000ATnospamuhunix4> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
Mike asked me to forward this to the list for him.   
My reply came first.. which is I agree with what he wrote and what I 
wrote! 
So the cart is before the horse!   Ruth 
 
---------- Forwarded message ---------- 
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:40:43 -1000 
From: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net> 
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
Subject: Re: sexuality and ks-list
 
Dear Ruth, and everyone:
 
You wrote: 
  
> Hi KList 
> I had always understood that the sexual energy was inextricably linked to 
> the healing ability. In my research regarding the Caduceus (see my article 
> on K. at site below) I found that the symbol of Mercury or Hermes - the 
> Caduceus staff was symbollic of doctors and still is.  This symbol 
> indicated that the doctor had become celibate/brahmcharya (or at least did 
> not spill his semen in biological function) and he had funnelled his 
> sexual ojas (or light seeds) to healing others.  Thus he would have a halo 
> around the head, and just his presence in the sick room might be 
> sufficient to heal the sick. 
>  
> I have a doctor who is very spiritual and 
> sometimes I go to see him with a strep throat and he puts his hands on my 
> throat to examine it.. and suddenly there is no illness there. I just get 
> up and leave amazed. He laughs as it happens to him all the time.  So he 
> is what I call a "real" healing doctor.  Unfortunately there are too few 
> of them around. 
>  
> Can you imagine how many doctors would be practicing if you told them that 
> the requirement (as it was in the ancient times) was to be unable to have 
> sex for their entire practicing careers?  They would run a mile. 
>  
> So I believe that like the story of the genie in the bottle who brings the 
> gift of healing... Kundalini is the genie that brings the ability to heal 
> and cure other people... it is not about psychic abilities as we have 
> discussed... although I can attest, that comes with it.. it is not about 
> being an elite of geniuses either.. it is about becoming a healer like the 
> Christ.. to others.  That's my two cents...  Ruth 
> ******
 
 I believe you've been reading too many tantric books. I discussed this 
topic very briefly with the new heir apparent to my Guru the other day; 
a man who most likely is celibate; and who probably has a great deal of 
that healing energy built up also. I believe that there is some TRUTH to 
what you say; don't get me wrong. At the same time I believe the aspect 
of storing up one's healing ability is far overblown. One of the things 
the guru said (remember this is an Indian from India who has spent his 
life not only reading the as yet untranslated tantric texts; but who has 
lived much of his years among the practicing tantrics there) is that 
most, if not all, of the tantric books written hear are completely 
wrong. He said that only a very small portion of the tantrics focus on 
sex. And that even those only focus on it for a small portion of their 
practices. As much as we think we know things here in America, we rarely 
meet those who have direct knowledge that is passed directly to them. I 
could go into a number of the other false stereotypes we here in the 
West have about eastern things but I wouldn't want to bore everyone. If 
you've spent years in India you'll know I'm correct. 
 I don't believe at all that one's level of healing energy, kundalini, 
etc. is predicated on celibacy. Those who meditate the most, and go the 
deepest into Samadhi are the ones who can generate the most Samadhi 
power, ki, chi, kundalini, sexual energy, life force, or whatever you 
wish to call it. 
 If you relax enough you'll notice the pain in parts of your body from 
the attempt of the increased energy trying to flow through constricted 
muscles; as in your neck from the tension rising up from the shoulders; 
which is where most people hold their tension. The stomach is close 
behind.  
 So, in short, I believe relaxation, and proper mind state are more 
important than celibacy for the flow of healing energy.  
 Even more important than all 3 of these aspects, is one's connection to 
the rest of spirit not focused in one's limiting 3 dimensional shell. In 
a healing ceremony if SPIRIT agrees to the task at hand, much greater 
flows of energy will occur; enough to flow through the person being 
healed so that they float all the way up to the ceiling. I have never 
quite understood how that increased energy flow causes the body to get 
substantially lighter. 
 One should not try to be what one is not. This results in priests 
molesting little boys; etc. Celibacy is not MORE holy than sex. ALL IS 
GOD. Even sex is GOD. As far as holiness goes you might refer to 
Yogananda's Autobiography account of his Guru Sri Yukteswar's Guru, 
Lahiri Mahasaya. The story goes his wife woke up one morning to see him 
floating near the ceiling with angels encircling him. I doupt if he was 
celibate, considering the fact that at the time (until this particular 
incident) she didn't even know he was a guru. Like Christ people also 
reported that he resurrected after his physical translation; and that 
also they touched him and felt his physicality when he came back. ALL IS 
GOD; OM TAT SAT OM; Hu ilahi il all Hu. Each of the 3 sets of words 
means the same thing. Each is equally true. It's very difficult to 
believe this in the world of dualities. Sex is just as holy as celibacy. 
It doesn't hold you back from being a great healer at all.
 
Sincerely;
 
Mike Beaver 
yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net
 
  
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