1997/08/08  02:02  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #385 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 385
 
Today's Topics: 
  K in public 
  question 
  CFS and K 
  Re: question 
  Re: New to the list 
  ...if you pray UPDATE 
  psn'l K question 
  Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
  Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
  Dancing in the Flames. . .a path to Mastery. 
  Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
  Loving Energy 
  Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
  'New Jason & Yoga' 
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:08:48 -0400 
From: phillialATnospamucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu (Anita Phillips) 
To: AfarmerATnospamcss.edu 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: K in public 
Message-Id: <199708071406.JAA02828ATnospammail.execpc.com> 
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Hi Anita F.,
 
A public problem I've had several times is that of having my mind rushing 
through concepts so fast that pulling ideas together into words and then 
attempting to communicate doesn't work.  The words come out in sputtered 
fragments...it feels like leapfrogging at WARP speed.  It happened a lot at 
first and then it happened when I was really insecure.  The pianist in the 
movie "Shine" did quite a lot of this.  It freaked me out when I heard 
myself.  I think the mental health profession prescribes drugs for this 
sort of thing--contact with which I prefer to avoid.  (Now I just know that 
I have to keep my mouth shut at certain times!)
 
But I'm still new at this.  I don't know what other problems Tom may be 
talking about--and I'd like to know also.
 
Anita P., *:) 
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:41:36 -0400 
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: question 
Message-Id: <199708071751.NAA07082ATnospamhoboken> 
 
Hi,
 
Please explain something to an ignorant new k-er of about 6-7 weeks.
 
Since my k came spontaneously, I don't have the background that many of you 
do.  I suppose a lot of you will think this is a stupid question, but I'd 
really appreciate an answer.  Some of you have indicated that the k ran for 
many years.  What happens?  Does it run until you're fully "awakened" and 
then stop?  Or what?  And where does that leave you if/when it stops?
 
Sharon 
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:48:07 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: CFS and K 
Message-ID: <33EA1867.9E0ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Hello,
 
I have a sister who has had chronic fatigue syndrome for many
 
years. She has tried many medical approached including the spectrum 
 
of alternative and holistic.
 
Nothing has worked and the doctors say they cannot do a thing.
 
Her case is extreme and prolonged and at this point I believe to
 
treat this situation as virus caused is futile.
 
I tend to believe CFS is not the result of a virus. But a
 
mismanaged or unrecognized awakening. I have been asked to help
 
and was considering explaining my view to her and suggest holotropic
 
breathwork sessions guided by qualified practitioners.
 
Any input with regard to personal experience, suggestions, best
 
approaches etc. that anyone feels may be helpful would be greatly
 
appreciated.
 
David 
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:17:52 -0400 (EDT) 
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: question 
Message-ID: <970807161556_1183869118ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
 
In a message dated 97-08-07 14:43:08 EDT, you write:
 
<< Since my k came spontaneously, I don't have the background that many of 
you 
 do.  I suppose a lot of you will think this is a stupid question, but I'd 
 really appreciate an answer.  Some of you have indicated that the k ran for 
 many years.  What happens?  Does it run until you're fully "awakened" and 
 then stop?  Or what?  And where does that leave you if/when it stops? 
  >>
 
Dear Sharon,
 
Also new to kundalini and also awakened "spontaneously," I asked the same 
questions you ask.  I was told that these "surges" of cruder energy we now 
experience eventually become integrated into a constant flow of finer energy 
as our consciousness rises to a state of sustained awareness.  I was also 
told that we are at the same time creating an energy body with consciousness 
independent of the physical body, as part of the human evolutionary process.
 
I'm beginning to think that the biggest challenge to learning about kundalini 
is that most of those who have been through the process successfully do not 
speak about it.  Maybe this is partly because spiritual development is 
ultimately a solitary and singular path for each of us, and because so much 
of sprititual learning is incomprehensible until you know it.  And even when 
you know it, you cannot necessarily describe it.  Maybe that's the reason for 
that expression:  "Those who tell don't know, and those who know don't tell." 
 So, none of us gabbing on the internet will have absolute answers for you 
but will be a tool for learning.  And when people claim to have absolute 
answers for you, remember that their reality may very well be true for them, 
but you will create your own.
 
Peggy 
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) 
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: New to the list 
Message-ID: <970807164905_-1338674099ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
 
In a message dated 97-08-06 17:58:44 EDT, Jason writes:
 
 <<I've been wanting to take a yoga class. I know little about yoga. A 
 friend suggested I would be more interested in kundalini yoga than hatha 
 yoga. I started reading a book about the kundalini process. I still 
 don't know the difference between kundalini and hatha yoga.  >>
 
I also started learning yoga after the kundalini activated.  I found someone 
who teaches both kundalini yoga and hatha yoga.  She told me that the hatha 
yoga she teaches takes about 22 years of practice to get the kundalini energy 
to start moving, whereas the kundalini yoga takes about 4 to 4 1/2 years to 
activate it.  She has never worked with someone whose energy activated 
spontaneously, so we are learning together.  
 
Although the postures and breathing techniques in both forms are pretty much 
the same, the intensity level in the kundalini class is much more rigorous, 
almost like aerobics.  I am finding that hatha yoga offers plenty of 
challenge and stimulation to the spine and glands.  The kundalini flow seems 
to tell you when to practice and when to cut back on the yoga.  At this 
point, it's looking to me like yoga plays more of a supporting role in 
spiritual learning and that our thoughts, emotions, and deeds are where the 
real action is.
 
<< Emotions are much richer, "coincidences" are more intense, my 
 close relations have become more powerful.>>
 
Hypersensitized perception and emotions, as well as the onslaught of 
coincidences certainly accompanied my kundalini activation.  Others on the 
list have written of the same types of experiences as well.  So, it looks to 
me as though you're right on task. 
 
Welcome, 
Peggy  
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:29:45 -0700 (PDT) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: ...if you pray UPDATE 
Message-Id: <199708072229.PAA24000ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
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Ruth and others:
 
Little Sylvie is at home with Mom now.  She left for a while. (No heart beat 
for 20 minutes or so.  Nice NDE travel apparently!)  MRI shows some damage 
to the occipital region (I think that was it) of the brain and Mom was told 
there might be vision problems, but she seems to see just fine from what 
they all can tell.
 
Thank you for your prayers. 
* 
 Pleiade Publishers                  * 
 PO Box 108                 *   *      * 
 Arroyo Grande CA 93421        *     *
 
  
  
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: psn'l K question 
Message-Id: <199708072234.PAA25154ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
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Peggy
 
I thought this was beautifully complete.  Affirming too.  I'll try to 
remember to re-read it often.  Thanks.
 
M
 
At 04:17 PM 8/7/97 -0400, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote: 
>Also new to kundalini and also awakened "spontaneously," I asked the same 
>questions you ask.  I was told that these "surges" of cruder energy we now 
>experience eventually become integrated into a constant flow of finer energy 
>as our consciousness rises to a state of sustained awareness.  I was also 
>told that we are at the same time creating an energy body with consciousness 
>independent of the physical body, as part of the human evolutionary process. 
> 
>I'm beginning to think that the biggest challenge to learning about kundalini 
>is that most of those who have been through the process successfully do not 
>speak about it.  Maybe this is partly because spiritual development is 
>ultimately a solitary and singular path for each of us, and because so much 
>of sprititual learning is incomprehensible until you know it.  And even when 
>you know it, you cannot necessarily describe it.  Maybe that's the reason for 
>that expression:  "Those who tell don't know, and those who know don't tell." 
> So, none of us gabbing on the internet will have absolute answers for you 
>but will be a tool for learning.  And when people claim to have absolute 
>answers for you, remember that their reality may very well be true for them, 
>but you will create your own. 
> 
>Peggy 
> 
> 
> 
* 
 Pleiade Publishers                  * 
 PO Box 108                 *   *      * 
 Arroyo Grande CA 93421        *     *
 
  
  
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:47:49 -0700 (PDT) 
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
Message-ID: <19970807224749.23227.rocketmailATnospamsend2.rocketmail.com> 
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---Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> wrote:
 
> >Gloria here, 
>  
> If you are not your body or your mind then the first principle of 
> detachment is to divorce from the thought forms connecting all these 
> parts. Thought forms are things, by being angry and allowing it 
power in 
> you and over you, your right it will drain you of life force. 
>  
> But if you take and remove yourself in thought, something like" this 
> minds emotion is out of wack and it is experiencing a tantrum as 
anger, 
> I'm just going to watch until it is over."
 
I disagree.  I am my Body, I am my Mind, I am my Spirit.  I AM the 
Whole of the Parts.  To think otherwise is to perpetuate the thought 
forms of  
separation. 
 
Anger is only a feeling, just energy.  How I express my emotions, how 
I manifest energy is my choice.  I am not a victim of my emotions.
 
My emotions were out of whack until I embraced my anger. . .there was 
inappropriate laughter, crying, numbness, sarcasm etc.  I had to learn 
how to name these feelings for what they were. Learning about them 
meant immersing myself in them and learning to use them as tools for 
transformation.  I have found that emotions are the currency of the 
universe. 
>  
>  This state of watching it without judgement will allow you to pull 
> away, and in the process neutralize the negative energy... it will 
lose 
> power.
 
I don't want to pull away.  THere's not such a thing as negative 
energy.  There is just energy.  People filter energy thru their own 
perceptions, their own paradigms.  If I change my perception, it 
changes the energy and and how I choose to experience it.  I don't 
want to lose or give any more power away.  (A secret. . .power is of 
an infinite supply.)
 
  
> By allowing it to continue with the attitude that is is necessary you 
> feed it energy.
 
Yes, I think it is necessary.  At least for me.  Blessed Goddess feed 
it, stoke it high-burn the dross from within my soul that separates me 
from knowing who I AM. 
>  
>  The same thing with illness, if you think I am Sick. Your creating a 
> thought form of illness, to detach you observe it, "this body I use 
is 
> out of balance presently, I am observing it and increasing its light 
so 
> that the illusion of illness can fall away." This is detaching from 
the 
> thought, pulling away without judgement and allowing soul/spirit 
light 
> to be absorbed into he etheric body. When you train yourself to live 
> totally aware of yourself as soul/spirit...not body or mind/emotions, 
> your opening yourself to spiritual truth. Anything that works from 
false 
> conceptions will only make you spin. 
>  
> Your meditations/dreams are the tools to release and clearly see the 
> nature of your soul/spirit body, this kind of stuff only means your 
lost 
> in the illusion.  
>  Gloria
 
I am Thought.  I am the Primal Urge who eons ago separated from Itself 
to seek out, and know and to understand and experience Itself and Life 
in all its manifestations.  Source detached Itself from Itself and is 
evolving back to Oneness.  To move towards detachment, to me, is to 
de-evolve.
 
I am the Witness AND the Participant in my life.  I am Spiritual 
Truth.  To think of myself as anything less is to be less than human  
:).
 
Blessings, 
Susan 
> 
 
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:27:04 -0700 (PDT) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
Message-Id: <199708072327.QAA07990ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
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At 03:47 PM 8/7/97 -0700, susan carlson wrote:
 
>I am the Witness AND the Participant in my life.  I am Spiritual 
>Truth.  To think of myself as anything less is to be less than human  
>:). 
> 
>Blessings, 
>Susan 
>>  
>
 
You Go Girl!!!
 
M
 
PS   Don't you think this injunction against anger is meant for people who 
don't know how to use it appropriately?  Anger is very powerful energy and 
it should be used carefully ***but***  IT SHOULD BE USED AND RECOGNIZED for 
what it is!!  imho 
* 
 Pleiade Publishers                  * 
 PO Box 108                 *   *      * 
 Arroyo Grande CA 93421        *     *
 
  
  
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT) 
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Dancing in the Flames. . .a path to Mastery. 
Message-ID: <19970807232849.29579.rocketmailATnospamsend2.rocketmail.com> 
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---"Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> 
> I, like you, and like many other women, face a real dilemma when a  
> spiritual path seems to indicate that releasing anger is necessary,  
> especially when the spiritual work itself seems to be bringing the  
> anger to the surface!  I am wary of recommending to anyone that they  
> let go of anger before they have really had a chance to have it and  
> honor it.  But I know, too, that I can get attached to anger 
precisely  
> because it feels so good.  In my closest relationships the question 
is  
> always should I say something or let it go.  Different answers every  
> time.  So lately I've been praying every time I get angry and this  
> helps -- if I do choose to say something it comes from a less  
> personally wounded place and sometimes my words are even 
constructive.   
> This is an ongoing, unfinished and extremely important project for 
me  
> and I'm really glad you brought it up.  Holly
 
Dear Holly, M, TP40 and the other private posters,
 
I agree.  Setting up safety zones/boundaries/rules before beginning to 
dive into anger is paramount.  I bet Angelique has some very cogent 
words to say about trust in potentially dangerous situations.  There 
must be absolute trust between the facilitator and a person 
rediscovering their anger.  I say rediscover because babes are natural 
at expressing raw anger.  Adults, uncomfortable with anger teach 
children in many different ways to stifle it.
 
Some people will be able to begin walking the path alone.  Most wont.
 
In my own experience, my anger was trapped under something very 
calloused.  After wearing away the callous, the anger underneath was 
pretty raw and I was like a kid with a new toy, cause yes, it does 
feel good when it is coming out.
 
I have had my own definite healing experiences from doing my own anger 
path.  After one session, I walked by a mirror and stood transfixed as 
I stared at myself.  My eyes had become very clear and bright.  Since 
then, a  lot of bodily aches and pains have left.  I no longer have 
high blood pressure. 
 
IMO, mastering the energy of anger is just like learning to ride a 
bike.  It takes practice.  People will fall down, have accidents, but 
they gotta keep getting back up on the bike.  Be circumspect in using 
anger as a tool of destruction  ( a valid use IMO).  I think this is 
because anger calls people into action.  Anger in and of itself is not 
the problem.  Its what people decide to do with it  is.
 
Being irresponsible in expression of anger is inexcusable.  Such a 
powerful emotion can be a channel for good and for transformation.
 
I  have discovered I am never angry for the reason I think.  And other 
people aren't angry at me for what I did.  It's not my fault that they 
get mad.  I can't make other people angry unless they hand me the 
power to do so.  What triggers the anger is not the what appears on 
the surface.  Normally, I feel angry when I feel afraid of loss.  I 
feel small and helpless, or I feel less than.  How dare they make me 
feel that way!!!!!!!  Generally, anger arises out of a fear, I have 
found.  People who are angry are telling me they feel unloved in some 
core way.  This includes me.  Adults are just wounded children in that 
respect.  
 
It's hard for me to get a good 'mad' going for longer than 10 minutes 
these days. I have to work really hard to make it last a half hour.  I 
have become too adept at self examination and discover the core of the 
anger very quickly now.  THe anger is diffused almost automatically.  
THe anger burns away the old fears and reveals more of my true 
essence.  THe anger remains until the fuel (the fears) are gone.. . 
until the next fear is discovered.  Will I still have anger when there 
is nothing to fear?  I think so  cause this is a powerful emotion of 
creation.
 
Don't beat yourself up for being angry.  That doesn't help.  If other 
people are offended by your emotion/energy... too bad.  Don't 
apologize for how you feel.  If they react to the energy its because 
they have a problem with that energy.
 
Again, act responsibly with this powerful energy.  It's possible to be 
very angry and hurt no one including yourself in any  way.  I have 
seen some anger that was truly terrifying (particularly from men) and 
its awesome.  We are powerful beings.  These expressions of anger were 
done in a safe place with particular rules.
 
I learned to stand in the current of the angerand let the energy flow 
around me.  Its possible if I stand in nonresistance.  I choose 
instead to become fascinated by this awesome creative/destructive 
power. 
It feels like a hot, desert wind.
 
Yes, it does take practice to not be overwhelmed by the energy...like 
a runaway horse.  Ride on top of it  (surf it) and be one with and 
feel and respect its power until it dissipates.  It does dissapte if 
allowed to express itself.  As I have said before, it comes, its here, 
it goes.
 
In my experience, the problems and dangers come when I don't let it 
go.Stay on for the ride and get off when its over.
 
In beginning to express your anger, my first suggestions would be to 
discover your motivations for not getting angry in the first place.  
It usually is to please someone or some credo.  Ask yourself what 
really makes you mad.  Decide what you are going to do about it.  
Journaling helps...screaming into the wind helps, talking with trusted 
friends who love me helps.   What comes up may suprise you.
 
When I began to walk the anger path. . . the only thing I could think 
of that makes me mad was I didn't know how to be mad.  And I couldn't 
say it out loud very convincingly either.  I was really pathetic.
 
So there is a lot of ground here.  Put me in a room with a group of 
people and we could go lot further along the path than just read about 
it.
 
IMHO having awakened K is big advantage.
 
This path can feel very scary at first.  Like riding a horse at a dead 
run with no reins and no saddle (been there, done that)  Trust your 
body wisdom and your higher self to place you in an experience where 
there is only room for victory. 
  
My favorite mantras for this kind of work when the Tidal waves begin 
to crash over me.... I *feel* afraid and I *am* safe...  Remember to 
breathe.  Holding your breath blocks the release of energy.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Susan
 
 
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:24:57 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
Message-ID: <33EA6759.32F2ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
M wrote:
 
> Don't you think this injunction against anger is meant for people who 
> don't know how to use it appropriately?  Anger is very powerful energy and 
> it should be used carefully ***but***  IT SHOULD BE USED AND RECOGNIZED for 
> what it is!!  imho
 
Anger is born of delusion.
 
As are all forms.
 
Energy is all there is.
 
There is misperception when there is the perception
 
of any form.
 
What is anger?
 
It is a part of you.
 
But not all of you.
 
You are the light of pure awareness that has thought it
 
fun to entertain shadows,
 
Parts of yourself unknown.
 
Anger is intense to get your attention.
 
As are all forms of pain.
 
To bring awareness back to where awareness has looked away.
 
Nothing is known to those who look away.
 
So look,  
In the light, with the light, there are no shadows.
 
The light of pure awareness is all knowledge.
 
Peace, 
Afraid To Look 
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:49:13 -0600 
From: "Dave Radmacher" <daverATnospamworf.omn.com> 
To: "D. A. Radmacher" <dradmaATnospampobox.com>, 
 "Ken Brauchler" <kbrauchATnospamconcentric.net>, 
 "Kundalini List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Loving Energy 
Message-Id: <199708080058.SAA19144ATnospamworf.omn.com> 
 
Just dissolve yourself into a loving energy, 
just become a loving energy-- 
not in love with something in particular, 
but just have love for each and everything, 
even for nothing! 
It is not a question of an object for love,  
but just of an overflowing, loving energy.
 
If you are sitting silently in your room, 
let the room be full of loving energy,  
create an aura of love around yourself. 
If you are looking at the trees, 
you are in love with the trees. 
If you are looking at the stars,  
you are in love with the stars. 
you are love, that's all. 
So wherever you are,  
go on pouring your love onto...rocks. 
And when you pour love on rocks  
even rocks are no longer rocks. 
Love is such a miracle, such magic, 
that it transforms everything into the beloved. 
You become love and existence becomes your beloved, 
existence becomes god. 
People seek and search for god without becoming love. 
How can they find him? 
They don't have the necessary equipment,  
the necessary context and space. 
Create love and forget all about god. 
Suddenly one day you will encounter him everywhere. 
Osho, *Contemplation before Sleep* 
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:48:55 -0600 
From: "Dave Radmacher" <daverATnospamworf.omn.com> 
To: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
Message-Id: <199708080159.TAA19463ATnospamworf.omn.com> 
 
Beautifully said...Thanks David!
 
DaveR
 
---------- 
> From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
> To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
> Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The  Last Taboo 
> Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 6:24 PM 
>  
> M wrote: 
>  
> > Don't you think this injunction against anger is meant for people who 
> > don't know how to use it appropriately?  Anger is very powerful energy and 
> > it should be used carefully ***but***  IT SHOULD BE USED AND RECOGNIZED for 
> > what it is!!  imho 
>  
>  
> Anger is born of delusion. 
>  
> As are all forms. 
>  
> Energy is all there is. 
>  
> There is misperception when there is the perception 
>  
> of any form. 
>  
>  
> What is anger? 
>  
> It is a part of you. 
>  
> But not all of you. 
>  
> You are the light of pure awareness that has thought it 
>  
> fun to entertain shadows, 
>  
> Parts of yourself unknown. 
>  
> Anger is intense to get your attention. 
>  
> As are all forms of pain. 
>  
> To bring awareness back to where awareness has looked away. 
>  
> Nothing is known to those who look away. 
>  
> So look,  
> In the light, with the light, there are no shadows. 
>  
> The light of pure awareness is all knowledge. 
>  
>  
> Peace, 
> Afraid To Look 
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:27:48 
From: goldfevrATnospampacbell.net (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: 'New Jason & Yoga' 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970807192748.3107882eATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Dear Jason,
 
Don't "want" to take yoga, just 'do it', as 'Nike' says.  Breath-of-Fire  
Kundalini Yoga is a valuable discipline of study & practice, an important  
piece of the puzzle, so to speak; it is a tool, in a bountiful tool-box.
 
Hatha Yoga is too.  Classes in hatha yoga, diligently, humbly dedicated  
to/surrendered to -- are the foundation, along with consistent aerobic  
exercise/activites/hobbies -- these are the foundation for a healthy body  
(+ sound diet, meditation, & rest).  
 
Without a sound body, the psyche, 'emotional body', 'causal body', and  
spirit/soul of an individual cannot align harmoniously, nor unveil their  
secrets to you, as eagerly as they are longing too.
 
Practicing various kundalini disciplines without a strong foundation in  
physical health, is like conquering an empire, with no-one left at home.
 
'god speed'
 
believe in your own, innate, unique divinity
 
move forward with awareness
 
and enjoy the celebration of your gift, your life
 
Sincerely, 
David Blair Macrory 
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 In a message dated 97-08-06 17:58:44 EDT, Jason writes: 
>  
>  <<I've been wanting to take a yoga class. I know little about yoga. A 
>  friend suggested I would be more interested in kundalini yoga than hatha 
>  yoga. I started reading a book about the kundalini process. I still 
>  don't know the difference between kundalini and hatha yoga.  >> 
>  
> I also started learning yoga after the kundalini activated.  I found someone 
> who teaches both kundalini yoga and hatha yoga.  She told me that the hatha 
> yoga she teaches takes about 22 years of practice to get the kundalini 
energy 
> to start moving, whereas the kundalini yoga takes about 4 to 4 1/2 years to 
> activate it.  She has never worked with someone whose energy activated 
> spontaneously, so we are learning together. 
>  
> Although the postures and breathing techniques in both forms are pretty much 
> the same, the intensity level in the kundalini class is much more rigorous, 
> almost like aerobics.  I am finding that hatha yoga offers plenty of 
> challenge and stimulation to the spine and glands.  The kundalini flow seems 
> to tell you when to practice and when to cut back on the yoga.  At this 
> point, it's looking to me like yoga plays more of a supporting role in 
> spiritual learning and that our thoughts, emotions, and deeds are where the 
> real action is. 
>  
> << Emotions are much richer, "coincidences" are more intense, my 
>  close relations have become more powerful.>> 
>  
> Hypersensitized perception and emotions, as well as the onslaught of 
> coincidences certainly accompanied my kundalini activation.  Others on the 
> list have written of the same types of experiences as well.  So, it looks to 
> me as though you're right on task. 
>  
> Welcome, 
> Peggy
 
 
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