1997/08/01 12:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #380
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 380
Today's Topics:
Re: The Glory of Anger--The Last Taboo
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: The Glory of Anger--The Last Taboo
Kundalini poetry
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Shaktipat
Re: virus alert
Re: personal experience (first email)
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Broken angle
Re: moksha, bodhisattvas etc.
Re: The Glory of Anger--The Last Taboo
Re: Causal digame
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:53:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
CC: J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The Last Taboo
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susan carlson wrote:
>
> I knew that when I made that post about anger there would be some
> interesting responses. And there was. Whenever I speak of anger
> there's a couple of responses that I can depend on... being flamed,
> stony silence and/or retreat, nervous laughter, or a pendantic
> lecture. No one likes to talk positively about anger if at all.
>
> I will answer the questions out of my own experience.
>
> ---J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a very interesting topic. Please indulge us further.
> >
> > 1. How long must the fire burn before the ground is prepared for the
> > new growth?
>
> Fire burns until there is no fuel. Adding more fuel is optional.
>
> > 2. Being a "good" emotion, do you actively seek the state of anger
> in
> > yourself?
>
> When I first began working with my K awakening, it then I began
> discovering the anger I never knew I had. I was meditating one day
> and I began seeing in pictures of how I had used anger to destroy my
> own life. I suddenly felt the spiraling of energy that led me into
> the dark void. Such a rollercoaster ride. My normally hot hands
> turned cold and dripped sweat, my body trembling. As the energy
> continue to spiral into the void, a blue being with many arms appeared
> and I heard the name "kali". I stared in wonder. Awareness washed
> over me. I was the destroyer of my life. I had used the power of
> anger to destroy. I realized in that moment what a powerful being I
> was caught in destruction rather than flowing into the cycle of
> creation. The divine energy flowed through me unimpeded. I began to
> feel the power of anger, the thresh hold of creation. I knew I could
> regenerate my life.
>
> My body was almost in spasms as the current flowed. I was
> hyperventilating and it was a week before the trembling subsided. I
> never experienced anger in the same way after that.
>
>Gloria here,
If you are not your body or your mind then the first principle of
detachment is to divorce from the thought forms connecting all these
parts. Thought forms are things, by being angry and allowing it power in
you and over you, your right it will drain you of life force.
But if you take and remove yourself in thought, something like" this
minds emotion is out of wack and it is experiencing a tantrum as anger,
I'm just going to watch until it is over."
This state of watching it without judgement will allow you to pull
away, and in the process neutralize the negative energy... it will lose
power.
By allowing it to continue with the attitude that is is necessary you
feed it energy.
The same thing with illness, if you think I am Sick. Your creating a
thought form of illness, to detach you observe it, "this body I use is
out of balance presently, I am observing it and increasing its light so
that the illusion of illness can fall away." This is detaching from the
thought, pulling away without judgement and allowing soul/spirit light
to be absorbed into he etheric body. When you train yourself to live
totally aware of yourself as soul/spirit...not body or mind/emotions,
your opening yourself to spiritual truth. Anything that works from false
conceptions will only make you spin.
Your meditations/dreams are the tools to release and clearly see the
nature of your soul/spirit body, this kind of stuff only means your lost
in the illusion.
Gloria
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:18:58 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Nancy Kar (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) AES3DDDATnospamaol.comLarryN3515ATnospamaol.com peggyATnospamhogan.reno.nv.us" <watrfallATnospamniagara.com>
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Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Nancy Kar (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> John King (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> >
> > question: have muscle twitches, sleep disorder, overwhelming fatique,
> > headaches (pressure inside skull) rapid mood shifts(plus more of the listed
> > symtoms) and being diagnosed with chronic fatique syndrome. Is this
> > diagnosis a common thread with any of your list people.
>
> Hi John,
>
> *raising hand* I'm there with ya :)
>
> here's some advise:)
>
> I was diagnosed with CFS 10 years ago. Which aligned itself up perfectly
> with my major k awakening. What kind of sleep disorders are you having?
> We just had a conversation a few weeks ago about difficult k awakenings.
>
> I'll tell you what helped me...
> Lots of meditation and prayer..(for me)
Gloria:
In the last post I shared about thought forms and detaching from your
connection to being a body or a mind. Both of these thought forms keep
you lost in the matter end of the spectrum. Since you are a spirit using
a body to grow, you are trying to teach yourself and remind yourself
that your body can experience the illusion but you don\'t have to
participate. When you pull away, you set up thee datacomp situation for
light to enter, raise the frequency, and the symptoms fall away.
Some of you may say oh sure. Let me give you an example. I have a dear
friend who has liver cancer. She is in the 11th year without chemo, or
any traditional help. The classic symptoms was death, long ago...years
to be exact.It should have manifested long ago.
And, the fact that she is not only not dead but not deathly ill either
is quite an eye opener to the medical establishment. They can't figure
out how her liver can be 75% gone, the cancer all over her body and she
is still up and around going to lunch etc. She and I have worked for
years in the detachment. When she had symptoms of wretching like she
needed to vomit all of the time, hospice came in and said you need pain
medication.Barbara said I don't have any pain. They said, well you may
have turned it off but your body is in pain, the only thing you can do
is to take the pain medication to stop the wretching. She did, that was
when she thought she was going to have to leave her body. She slept for
six weeks. I worked with her some more. When she left go of the idea
that she had to die because hospice was taking care of her, she adjusted
to the medication through detachment, and got up out of her death bed
and went back to her quality life. She is not fighting with death, she
is totally in Divine Will and ready when it is time. But, you should see
everyone watch her again come up out of this. It has been six or seven
months since that dip, she is doing great only because she is not her
body and she is not her mind. And if she goes into a dip it is because
she got caught up in a thought form where emotions could drain her, all
it takes is that connection and she is wiped out. I give her light
transfusions with the total understanding between her and I that it is
up to her and God how it is used. If it is needed to assist the body
great, if it is needed to heal the soul great, or if it is needed of get
out the body that is great also.
This is the way it is folks, if you can train yourself in this art, you
can overcome anything. I have worked with many people who were terminal
with this and it ALWAYS WORKS.So, get into the basics now, learn to work
with it daily and even if your body or mind has to go through something
you won't have to be effected by it. Gloria
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>, J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The Last Taboo
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At 03:36 PM 7/31/97 -0700, susan carlson wrote:
>creation. The divine energy flowed through me unimpeded. I began to
>feel the power of anger, the thresh hold of creation. I knew I could
>regenerate my life.
I'd like to understand this better. I am giving in to anger lately and
finding it feels healthy, but that's about the only handle I have on it.
It is almost a joy to really get fully angry, and then be over
it...completely. I used to fuss and fume and tell everyone the story of what
the other guy did wrong so I could get support,etc. So much time wasted in
that way. Now I tend to just spout off and then apologise...if I think it's
required.
>> 4. What manifestations of anger are appropriate?
>Society seems to have deemed what is appropriate. Maybe that is why
>there are so many "civilized" ills.
>Anger and violence are not the same thing. Anger is a feeling.
>Violence is a choice.
>Anger channeled and transformed through fear becomes violence.
>Anger channeled and transformed through love becomes passion.
>
I love this. When passive/agressive "don't ever be angry" messages come up
I think of Christ and the moneychangers!!! He obviously thought it
appropriate at times.
M
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:18:10
From: Keith <healerATnospambigfoot.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini poetry
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I just subscribed to this list! Now I get it! Kundalini, as is
discussed here, appears to be about poetry.
Blessings,
Keith
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:27:22
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Re: Personal Experience
Dear Richard from Holland,
Thank you for sharing your kundalini experiences with us. No need to
apologise for your English. Your writing was easier to follow than some
whose native tongue is English.
To comment on the "negative" emotions. Like you, I have for years
suppressed these. If I know that underneath the personality that every
person is divinity, how can I be so petty to focus on their "faults"?
This lead me to tolerate undesirable behavior of others. I say
"tolerate" not "accept". The difference was key to me. Tolerate means to
"put up with." Accept means to acknowledge but to accommodate or
reconcile oneself.
As an example, for years, I tolerated my husband's subtle put-downs.
"You're selfish." "You don't care about my needs." "You're obsessed." I
would think, maybe he's right. I should work on this. I never considered
that his comments assaulted me. Whenever I did acknowledge that I didn't
like an aspect of his behavior, I would
dismiss my thought. Don't think negative, I'd tell myself. He doesn't
know what he was saying/doing.
Last fall, after 10 years of marriage, his behavior became less subtle.
He moved out of the state leaving me to raise our daughter, sell our
home, deal with our failing business. I was devestated. Depressed. Then
I became angry. I heard his parents making the same excuses for his
conduct that I had for years. "Well he's so overwraught with all that he
had to deal with." "It was that Nancy pushing him so hard." Excuse
me...he abandoned his family.
I've come to realize that there's a balance. Yes,we need to acknowledge
that underneath any personality exists that divine spark, that godness.
But first we need to acknowledge the personality. "I feel that my
husband's behavior was selfish and hurtful. Leaving me to deal with all
the responsibility really makes me angry." I accept that these were his
choices and actions. I accept that I am angry. I accept that his essence
is divinity. Once we've begun to accept, we can let it go.
We can still love the divine essence, yet we don't have to
allow someone to inflict their personality on us. If I would have
addressed the little slights of my husband, I probably would have
learned this lesson in a less dramatic manner.
Still, I'm glad for the experience. I believe my soon to be ex-husband
has been a great teacher for me.
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:42:18
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hi Esme:
I have an article on what is Kundalini on my web page below... just add
to the end Kundalini-1.html or you can access it complete at
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/kundalini-awakening-trimble.html
which is a fabulous site for thewhole world to read.
Happy you have emerged out of your fear.
Blessings, Ruth
******
What is always present is who you truly are. Correctly identify yourself
as eternally present awareness and take refuge in that. (Gangaji)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:41:51
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Shaktipat
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Hi Michael:
Yes... it is very very common to see these strong lights inthe upper
forwart part of the head. It looks like a pair of very strong headlights
coming over the brow of a hill to me.. and it can be very very intense.
But it is OKAY...enjoy... watch...savor... it is all divine!
******
What is always present is who you truly are. Correctly identify yourself
as eternally present awareness and take refuge in that. (Gangaji)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:55:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: spirit-lATnospamspiritweb.org
Subject: Re: virus alert
Message-ID: <970731235541_96406073ATnospamemout07.mail.aol.com>
Hope this helps to prevent a problem we had:
I, too, have had to deal with a password stealer. Doesn't sound as bad as
the one dor wrote about. I couldn't sign on because I kept being told I was
already online. Once I got online, I tried to change passwords, but could
not. Called AOL and they changed all our passwords for us, then told us not
to go online until the tech dept. called and walked me through a search to
find the problem and delete it.
The reason virus programs don't pick it up is that it is NOT a virus, but a
hidden program that is downloaded into your system when you download a file
that contains it. This program copies your keystrokes so when you type in
your password the *thief* just reads it and can then use it to go online
using your address and password. (Feels kind of like your house has been
broken into!) I assume that anything you type can be read, including credit
card numbers.
It took about an hour of online help to rid ouselves of this sneaky little
thief and we were told specifically NOT to download any files that ended in
the following: .exe (which could execute the program); .scr (a screensaver
that may have the hidden program); or .zip (which can be anything). These
are the most common...so far.
The tech support guy said that it's also risky downloading files from people
you know because if the thief has gotten their password, he'd use their name
to send you the hidden program.....while you just thought a friend was
sending you something.
Tech support was great for us, but the problem is so rampant that we were
told it would take about 4 days for them to get to us. They went through the
whole thing step by step, found the program and helped me delete it.
We will no longer be downloading any files!!!!
Kathy
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:40:19 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: r.peelenATnospampi.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: personal experience (first email)
Message-ID: <19970801.004410.10854.5.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
Dear Richard....
I was so touched by your letter. 20+ years of this! My God, what you
must have went through.... I am glad you have found a kundalini teacher
and this list - just knowing that others have been through much the same
as you, does help a lot. I've had many unanswered questions answered
here myself. I welcome you to the list...
I guess we are all on a path to the same destination, although the paths
may seem quite different. So what I tell you may be completely opposite
what another may say. You are unique and seem to be finding your way
pretty darn good at this time. You are on a path to finding Yourself -
who you are. Who you REALLY are. Along this path, we *seem* to think we
are this spiritual being, so we began to act like we think a spiritual
being *should* act. LOL (Laughing Out Loud). We think a spiritual being
cannot have an opinion - oh no! it might hurt someone's feelings! and
we can't do that! But, what I've discovered, is that an opinion is ONLY
an opinion. It has nothing to do with the other person -- it is what we
think and feel - it is about our morals and values. And if the other
person is offended by our opinion, then that is their problem - your
intention was not to offend them, but merely to state your opinion. That
also helps to know that when someone else gives their opinion - it has
NOTHING to do with you... it is only their feelings/ thoughts about the
subject. So there is no way we can get offended by it.
We are a spiritual being having a human experience. Not a human being
having a spiritual experience, although we seem to think the latter. We
are here to experience human-ness. You now have the realization (I
believe you do...) that you are a spiritual being. Once you have that
knowledge, which the kundalini helps us to realize, then you can begin
having fun experiencing being human.
So quit trying to be spiritual! You are already spiritual! It's time
to quit denying who you are!
When we deny and suppress sooo much, we are denying and suppressing who
we are. You are wise enough now to realize that getting angry brings you
out of peace, but that doesn't mean you can't get angry! If you get
angry, be angry! Do not deny it, but know that while you are being
angry, that you cannot be at peace. That knowledge alone, will help you
let the anger go. How can you live in the moment, if you are angry (or
sad or happy or whatever) and suppressing it? If you feel it, be with
it, etc., then you can let it go. If you suppress it, it will most
likely turn up in some way through your body.
I've also discovered that positive thoughts are no different than
negative thoughts - that sounds a little crazy, but let me explain. The
positive thoughts as we know, make us feel real good. The negative ones
brings us down. Some positive & negative thoughts hinder us by keeping
us in the future or the past, not in the moment. When we are being
positive about the future, it keeps us out of enjoying this moment in
time to the fullest! And when you are out of this moment, you cannot be
where you are... to create a future made from the present moment. You
are creating a future from a future moment. Most likely impossible,
unless you live in the future, which we don't. Eternity and happiness
are found right here right now, in this moment in time. Saying what you
feel like saying - doing what you feel like doing - being who you feel
like being. And you think you would say or do or be something you don't
want to say or do or be? Nahhhhh. You won't. You know right from
wrong. You aren't an idiot. You know your intentions, whether they are
to help or to harm. You have your values and morals and won't upset
those. And if you screw up or make a mistake, so what? Learn from them.
At least you are living and learning. Not living and suppressing.
I believe in you. and I want you to believe in you. You are who you are
and that is Richard. And he seems like a pretty great guy to me.
Richard isn't some guy who thinks he should always be kind and quiet and
not rock the boat. Thats who Richard thinks he *should* be. Nope.
Richard is trying to get out and be who he is. No need to pretend anymore
that you are spiritual. You already are. You just had the wrong
definition of what 'spiritual' meant.
'Spirit' in the dictionary says "1) the life principle, esp. in man,
orig. regarded as inherent in the breath or as infused by a deity. 2)
the thinking, motivating, feeling part of a man, often as distinguished
from the body; mind; intelligence.
So think about the #2 definition.... are you suppressing any of that?
Then you are suppressing your spirit. When you begin following what YOU
want to do, instead of what you think you SHOULD do, is when your life
begins. God's will IS YOUR WILL. And His will is for you to be happy.
That's it.
So what makes you happy Richard? What is it you want to do? or say? or
be?
Take care,
Love,
xxxtg
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgshome.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:27:44 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: "Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <NancyATnospammagiccity.com>
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>
> Still, I'm glad for the experience. I believe my soon to be ex-husband
> has been a great teacher for me.
>
Nancy,
maybe, the way another asshole would benefit your body. Don't count on
Mr. Ten Years geting better if you'd told him to mend his ways, the ten
years would probably just have been five. It is true that you would have
felt better during those ten years. Sometimes we just have to live
through something until we say "enough".
Mine just left this summer, when I told him to deal with his bipolar
disorder and stop self-medicating with drugs and alcohol. I have to say
that so far he's right there with child suport, but it's early days. I
never let him get away with anything hurtful because my first husband
was verbally abusive. It IS better to speak up than to take shit from a
man who is "just kidding" about his aggressive behavior.
So I hope you're doing everything to prosecute your soon-to-be-ex for
ducking out on his responsibilities. Moving to the same state would do
it, if things are hard for you. Tough row, I'm going through it too as a
single parent. You're dealing with it beautifully, but it is okay to
want to rip THEM a new asshole, anger can be healing, too.
This is a new age for absentee fathers, they are being held accountable.
Don't give up too soon, it probably won't be easy but I believe there is
hope.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 02:43:41
From: TPp4tATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Broken angle
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So what can one do to heal the broken healer? Reading in psychology today,
yes I can do that some, that this is not that new of a phenomenon. In fact,
it is really quite common! In psychology, they said that it is the "odd
treating the id." What are most of us trying to be, normal. IE: the odd
trying to get to id
Part of the process is to review the past to see where things began to go
wrong. This is the drawing in of the negative energy that we repressed for
so long. From this super-charged state, the disruption of bodily systems.
See it
Then with a viewing of what went wrong, the seperation of ourselfs from
those items that are feeding the negative cycle that we created. This can be
in psysical, emotional, spiritual, financial and other forms. Disintegration
of the odd
Ah-love this
At some point, the negative is seen and accepted/looked at in the light of
day. Not my words but, will do. Something in the light of day/love, forces
us to start the discharge process. Again with the bodily functions and
sensations. Tell you about five months of the crappers. lol
If we are lucky, the seperation was far enough to negate the magnetic pull
that those force held over us. If not, back to old lives and hurts. Far
enough for breach of hold but not so far that all bridges were burnt.
It's even making sense to me. Kewl. In the discharge there is made a
void. Voids are always dangerous, anything can fill them. Part of the
reason that I quit astrial projection. Too far out and the thread was too
thin, thus had to race back against something or, the void.
Were to from here, never to allow the build up of negative again. Never to
placed into a position where we have to fear for our own security.
Just some thoughts
LLLLSS
TPp4t
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:30:44 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: moksha, bodhisattvas etc.
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On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, S.R.Peswani wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if Mr. Peswani could tell us a little bit about the
> > particular system of knowledge on which his postings are based. I'm sorry
> > if he mentioned it before. I would also be interested in the role of
> > kundalini and kundalini awakening in that system. I remember an earlier
> > post in which shakti was equated with life but if there was a more
> > particular post on kundalini I missed it.
> > thanks Kurt
Dear Kurt,
There is a lot in my mind about Kundalini.
I am confused as to how should I start writing on this subject.
There is a lot that already ha been estabilished in writings from
ancient rishis , Gopi Krishna , others and you. And now Nirmala Devi who
is genuine expert Guru on Kundalini has also written about Ida , Pingala
and Sushma Nadis and the process in details.
On the other hand I have a direct experience of my travelling
inside my body in last five years. I find something DIFFERENT.
It is possible that earlier science knowledge was not available
and hence the effects of k- energy were better explained by a 3.5 coil of
serpent at the base of spinal chord and its rising thro these nadis.
But due to this I find some harmful advices going round.(This is
my view). I feel that I shall need a lot of spiritual power to come out
with this knowledge. I also feel that cases of k- incidents will rise
fast and the correct guidence is going to be a necesity.
Presently I am pretty happy in my spiritual progress and will
like to remain within myself and my meditation, rather than go out and
challange this earlier thinking.
But when have I been able to control my life? not since this
meditation started.
Probably you have some solution for me.
ram
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:47:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Glory of Anger--The Last Taboo
Message-Id: <199708011247.HAA20440ATnospamdfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>
I, like you, and like many other women, face a real dilemma when a
spiritual path seems to indicate that releasing anger is necessary,
especially when the spiritual work itself seems to be bringing the
anger to the surface! I am wary of recommending to anyone that they
let go of anger before they have really had a chance to have it and
honor it. But I know, too, that I can get attached to anger precisely
because it feels so good. In my closest relationships the question is
always should I say something or let it go. Different answers every
time. So lately I've been praying every time I get angry and this
helps -- if I do choose to say something it comes from a less
personally wounded place and sometimes my words are even constructive.
This is an ongoing, unfinished and extremely important project for me
and I'm really glad you brought it up. Holly
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:41:19 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Causal digame
Message-ID: <33E22DCF.6FA5ATnospammail.snet.net>
Ruth Trimble (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> I always understood that love had no opposite!
> What does anyone else think. Isn't love the very fabric of the universe..
> and on this fabric are the opposites...
Yes. Opposites are imaginary lines and divisions
projected in the unified, infinite, field of Love.
But obviously we can experience illusion in place of
truth if we care to.
Just because we can choose to experience the unreal doesn't
make it real.
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