1997/07/07  06:45  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #304 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 304
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: FEEDING KUNDALINI - YUM YUM - MORE PRANA PLEASE 
  Re: FEEDING KUNDALINI - YUM YUM - MORE PRANA PLEASE 
  kundalini contact 
  Soul Salves (fwd) 
  Re: FEEDING KUNDALINI - YUM YUM - MORE PRANA PLEASE 
  The Real Fun 
  Re: Turiya: The Fourth State 
  Fat 101 
  new comer 
  Re: Fat 101 
  Re: new comer 
  Re: Fat 101 
  Re: Fat 101 
  Relevant? 
  Play your own game 
  new comer 
  UN-subscribing 
  Re: Turiya: The Fourth State 
  Re: virus alert of the mind kind 
  Processing kills 
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:59:01 +0100 
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: FEEDING KUNDALINI - YUM YUM - MORE PRANA PLEASE 
Message-ID: <XliQjIAlUBwzEwlSATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
 
In message <970706164220_-626434917ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>, 
PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com writes 
>After 30 years of struggling to find a healthful diet, I would add these 
>comments to Yogi Tom's very sound advice: 
> 
>1.  The closer the food is to being in a living state, the better.  Don't eat 
>old food.  Just compare fresh peas eaten right in the pea patch to the 
>disgusting excuse for food they become after having sat in a can for a few 
>years.
 
interesting you should mention peas - i have been eating them recently 
as shakti seems to crave them - very pure forms of sunshine
 
> 
>2.  Never eat hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils (trans-fatty 
>acids).  Our bodies cannot break down hydrogenated fats.  Even the Vegan 
>Cookbook uses margarine, a hydrogentated fat, and you might as well clamp 
>your arteries closed.
 
i was going to mention this, but something stopped me, you clearly know 
more about this, can you tell me if this means things like vegetable oil 
and sunflower and olive oil ? 
 
i have seen some advice, not even geared to kundalini's sometimes pure 
needs,  telling  one in the strongest terms to buy only high quality 
oils to protect your health, for a while i bought  expensive  nut oils 
and shakti loved them on salads and sprouted beans...
 
then she wanted pure high quality olive oil...
 
then she lost all interest in oils altogether.... 
> 
>3.  Compare the nutritional density to calorie ratio.  It's fine if food is 
>high calories, as long as it supplies lots of nutrients in the meantime. 
> When your body has all the nutrients it needs, it shuts down cravings for 
>junk.
 
so what you are saying, you want high grade fuel regardless of whether 
you are going to use the full tank ..... 
> 
>There is a real treasure of a cookbook called "Recipes from an Ecological 
>Kitchen," by Lorna Sass.  It is the only vegetarian-no-dairy cookbook I have 
>ever found that has truly delicious and satisfying recipes.  This woman 
>understands taste, texture, and environmental responsibility.  Even my 
>husband, the carnivore, likes the food. 
> 
could you tell me where and when this was published so i can track it 
down as i am in England, UK - from the title it sounds like a more 
yogic, but modern view of food, but without the austerity some people 
associate with the yogic diet......
 
>Peggy 
> 
regards
 
Yogi Tom
 
--  
Tom Aston 
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 17:25:52 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: FEEDING KUNDALINI - YUM YUM - MORE PRANA PLEASE 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970706172552.2f075220ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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Hi Tom: 
Just wanted to mention under the ayurvedic herbs it is GOTU KOLA not as 
you had it..  It is great for cooling the brain when going through strong 
movements of K. inthe mind.  I used it also when I gave up caffeine and 
got a kind of withdrawal toxicity.  I hear that it is a substitute for 
caffeine but is not addictive.  
Ruth/ 
  PS. If you have not been getting my mail up to this point, can you let 
me know as I subscribed 4 days ago and have send about 4 letters so far. 
Thanks. 
 
  Note from Mystress..: Everyone has been getting all your mail, Ruth.. I 
have been forwarding your posts, .. and gladly, as you are wise and eloquent.  
  I don't know why, K. list is sending some members mail direct to me and 
not to the list.. often if you use a different address than you have 
subscribed from, to post.. it thinks you are someone else. However, I keep 
an eye out for posts that say "not on the accept list", and forward them to 
the list from my home address as soon as I recieve them. 
 Blessings, L.M.A. 
   
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 17:42:45 
From: "Tom S" <t_shermanATnospamhotmail.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: <KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: kundalini contact 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970706174245.2f070b3cATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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 ( List Mystress note to Tom: The posting address is <KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM>)
 
  
   Dear K. list:
 
  I have been practicing kundalini meditation for about one year.  
I haven`t had any major experiences except for a couple things. I was  
meditating visualizing on the chakras which I have been doing for a  
while, the next morning I suddenly had severe back pain near the   
mid-upper back area which lasted about a week, it was a sharp pain,I had  
a hard time bending and setting in any chair. The other experience I had  
was when I wasn`t meditating but going to sleep, I felt a real sharp  
lighting rod go up my lower back to my mid-back, it only lasted a second  
but I have`t felt that before.  
I was wondering if anyone else had something simular to this and is it  
kundalini related.  
      I would like to keep my name anonymous,. 
     
(nickname)-WWTom                    
 
 Thank you, 
       
 T_ShermanATnospamhotmail.com     
 
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:01:48 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Soul Salves (fwd) 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970706180148.2d370a98ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
These are some exercises that I discovered helped me through my Kundalini 
experiences. You are welcome to use them, but the ideas are copyrighted, 
so please do not reproduce or sell without giving my name.  Thank you.  
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/Soul.html 
It that doesn't work... let me know.   
Ruth  
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 21:34:09 -0400 (EDT) 
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: FEEDING KUNDALINI - YUM YUM - MORE PRANA PLEASE 
Message-ID: <970706213405_591613157ATnospamemout19.mail.aol.com>
 
In a message dated 7/5/97 5:29:14 PM, you wrote:
 
<<ravenous cravings>>
 
After I was a vegitarian for a year I suddenly started getting really intense 
vampire daydreams.  I could no longer see people in as humans, but it was 
like i was looking through their skins, seeing the muscles and vains.  After 
this happened with strangers, it started happening with my freinds and any 
animanls I saw.  It was like a extremely desirus lust, but for a new type of 
food, being able to attack and kill and eat.  I wanted to grab squerrels and 
tear off their fur and eat.
 
So anyhow, I started slowly on a meat, noodle, and cheese dish.  After about 
a week the visions went away.
 
It was winter when my dark side is most prevelant and I could have easily 
been trying to fight off some type of illness. 
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 17:57:31 -0700 
From: J P Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: The Real Fun 
Message-ID: <33C03EFB.3B42ATnospamflarity.com> 
 
> Believe me my friend, telling people what they were really like is no 
> fun. Best they find themselves.
 
Oh you tease me so lobster.  Please look into me and tell the universe 
what you see.
 
I can see nothing but wisps of vapors, fleeting foggy morning light with 
the noon sun racing by when I blink me eyes.
 
And then, its night again.
 
It is no fun if the recipient cannot accept the answer or did not pose 
the question in the first place.
 
So look deep my friend,
 
DEEP and tell us what you see.
 
Always curious 
and little else,
 
love,
 
joe 
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:35:17 -0400 (EST) 
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca> 
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Turiya: The Fourth State 
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.970706232028.16189A-100000ATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
I found this very interesting and familiar, Ruth.
 
About 10 yrs. ago I was having these episodes of waking from 
my sleep, being totally paralysed, except I could open my eyes. 
I saw swirling colours moving around the room and heard a really 
loud buzzing sound. My husband at the time slept through it all,, 
everytime it happened. All I felt at the time was intense fear, even 
terror. I found that if I closed my eyes and  
relaxed my mind I could go back to sleep and wake normally.  
At this time also, I was waking up to find myself OBE and wandering 
the streets, at night in spirit:).. not a good thing:) 
I was having really bad health problems and my mother passed away 
shortly after all of this. My doctor was going crazy trying to find out 
what was happening to me :) He finally decided that I had Chronic Fatigue 
Syndrome because of my disturbed sleep patterns and great fatigue.
 
I started meditating at 17yrs. but stopped, for 13 years, when I got 
married because 
my ex used to tease me about my beliefs. I started meditating again 
when we broke up and have continued since for 3 years. 
 
Sometimes I think that if I had of been meditating throughout the marriage 
possibly these things would not have been so intense.
 
I dunno.. but thanks for the info!
 
Nancy
 
     * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *  
    Looking through Lightworking eyes,  
      Living through a Loveworking heart. 
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller 
     In lak'ech  Nancy...WaterFall in spirit   nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca 
 
     
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:26:26 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Fat 101 
Message-ID: <33C06FF2.2157ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
The two fats your body cannot make: 
linoleic acid(omega 6) + alpha linolenic(omega 3).
 
Needed for your brain,eyes,sexual organs,adrenal glands and 
to surround + protect all the cells in your body.
 
The fat molecule is shaped like a caterpillar. Its' head is 
fat, while its' tail is acid.
 
Basically, fat is a chain of carbon atoms with attached hydrogen 
atoms. Different fats have different lengths of carbon atoms 
and a different # and arrangement of hydrogen atoms.
 
These differences in shape determine whether or not your body 
can use the fat or not.
 
Saturated fats have all their carbon atoms saturated with hydrogen 
atoms. They lack the curves needed to fit your body as structural 
components. They are only fuel. They get stored rather easily in 
the adipose cells and become dead weight until you burn them. 
It is very difficult to burn this type of fat. They wont liquefy 
until way beyond your body temp. Some saturated fats don't liquefy 
until 145 F.
 
Consequently, they choke your arteries and screw up your heart, liver 
and brain.
 
Unsaturated fats including omega 3 + 6 are shaped like curvy 
caterpillars. 
They are missing hydrogens so the electromagnetic repulsion causes 
the molecule to bend toward the unsaturated side.
 
Hydrogenation, in short, straightens out the fat molecule to make 
it straight.
 
Pardon the chemistry, but this is what makes the fat fit your bod. 
(the curve and the empty hydrogen spaces.)
 
Trans fats are deadlier than saturated fats. They cause the 
protective membrane around cells to leak, inviting toxins 
into your cells. This affects all body functions and is linked 
to cancer and heart disease. : (
 
Holland banned trans fats several years ago. 
Canada has moved to do so also.
 
America? The food oil lobby is too powerful. 
Apparently they don't want to jeopardize Americas' dominance in holding 
the 
highest rates for cardiovascular disease and cancer on the planet.
 
Unsaturated fats optimize insulin metabolism and enhance metabolic rate. 
Make 'em your sole source of fat, or at least as much as you can.
 
Omega 3+6 boosts the body's efficiency at oxygen transport. 
(Key for energy and health.)
 
BTW, keep your omega 3+6 supplements refrigerated, in air tight, dark 
glass.
 
Best oil? 
Extra virgin olive oil.
 
Peace + health to you. 
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:06:29 
From: lhorstmaATnospamdirect.ca (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: new comer 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970706210629.2d3ff9e0ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Hello, 
I have been reading your mails for the past 2 weeks, maybe longer. I 
browsed the Kundalini website, signs and symptoms of K etc. I am here to 
learn more about where we come from, why are we here? I am in no hurry to 
get the answers as  I realise there is no quick fix solutions on earth. 
What do i want? well, not much, perhaps to gain insight to share 
information on spiritual growth? 
What can I offer? don't know! maybe alot, maybe nothing! 
Yes, I meditate, for the past year, started as skeptic, and join a group of 
qigong practitioners whom are seeking to see colours, auras, visions, etc, 
all I thought, just mere hocus pocus mumbo jumbos..... I never took my 
master nor my group seriously, I must be the least knowledgeable and the 
least interested in wishing to see "things" I go because I feel good when I 
with this group of people and my then master who speaks only dialect 
chinese, somehow, I ended up doing translation to his english speaking 
patients (he does healing massage) Learning to speak and understand 
languages comes very natural to me. I speak 4 including english. I learn 
alot about healing and Tibetan Buddhist, qigong from books and from my 
qigong group. When my body starts to shake and move from "qi" I feel very 
warm and then hot and flush and feel like a snake on the loose. Unlike my 
co-practitioners, I do not believe the master has the control instead I am 
in control, I know I could stop the movements at will and I can resist the 
master when I do not like the movements of my body. During some of my 
meditation I saw this master sitting in lotus position and talking to a 
Buddha like lutus figure and lights of beautiful colours, I did not speak 
of this till much later because I dismiss them as hulucinnations and when 
the master appeared time and time again during my meditations I "told" him 
to go away.... but I like those buddha like figures that comes in shades 
and sizes and peaceful like. I trust my guardian angels to protect me, so I 
am not afraid to venture forth. Something happened that made me look for a 
different master. I am now practising qigong with a woman master from 
China, Tantric qigong, and I am still feeling the qi and would go into a 
semi trance like dance - my daughter says I look like a dancer with many 
snake like movements. I feel great while doing it and feel greater when I 
stop! I have to mention here, I have never learn to dance like this before, 
somehow, it is like so light, my body feels like rubber and very 
spontaneous movements. I have to go now, will share more of my experience 
later. Question? what is this that I am experiencing? it is something good, 
I know because it feels good, I just not willing to acknowledge a 
student-master relationship, is this possible? for me to go on self direct 
search for spiritual growth? perhaps this is a rhetorical question.
 
My warmest wishes and good will to all.
 
Seeker of growth 
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:08:51 -0700 
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU> 
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net 
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Fat 101 
Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970707050851.0068f86cATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu> 
Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 12:26 AM 7/7/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:
 
>Trans fats are deadlier than saturated fats. They cause the 
>protective membrane around cells to leak, inviting toxins 
>into your cells. This affects all body functions and is linked 
>to cancer and heart disease. : (
 
Thanks for all the good info David. 
I wouldn't know a trans fat if I saw one. 
How would I recognized any of those killers?
 
Ken 
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 01:16:31 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: new comer 
Message-ID: <33C07BAF.79ACATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
 
> Yes, I meditate, for the past year, started as skeptic, and join a group of 
> qigong practitioners whom are seeking to see colours, auras, visions, etc,
 
Is that all?
 
> I trust my guardian angels to protect me, so I 
> am not afraid to venture forth. Something happened that made me look for a 
> different master.
 
Your "guardian angels". That is your master.
 
> I just not willing to acknowledge a 
> student-master relationship, is this possible? for me to go on self direct 
> search for spiritual growth? 
 
I had always wanted a "master."
 
When I realized this was just a fantasy,
 
My real Master was revealed.
 
David. 
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 01:34:51 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Fat 101 
Message-ID: <33C07FFB.65CBATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Ken McFarland wrote: 
>  
> At 12:26 AM 7/7/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote: 
>  
> >Trans fats are deadlier than saturated fats. They cause the 
> >protective membrane around cells to leak, inviting toxins 
> >into your cells. This affects all body functions and is linked 
> >to cancer and heart disease. : ( 
>  
> Thanks for all the good info David. 
> I wouldn't know a trans fat if I saw one. 
> How would I recognized any of those killers? 
>  
> Ken
 
Just about any fat or oil that is processed has high levels 
of trans fatty acids. Cooking oil, fats in junk food like  
cookies and pies, chocolate(damn!), frozen dinners, processed 
meats.
 
One of the worst offenders: 
Margarine, some have been tested to contain 60% trans fatty acids. 
 
Believe me, the food industry would prefer nobody knew this.
 
 
David. 
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:27:26 -0700 
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU> 
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net 
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Fat 101 
Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970707062726.0067c250ATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu> 
Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 01:34 AM 7/7/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote:
 
>Just about any fat or oil that is processed has high levels 
>of trans fatty acids. Cooking oil, 
 
Dear David,  
When you say Cooking oil, do you mean oils like safflower oil, corn oil, 
sesame oil, vegatable oil, etc?
 
Ken 
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:43:02 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: BUDDHISTATnospamVM1.MCGILL.CA 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, tariqasATnospamworld.std.com 
Subject: Relevant? 
Message-ID: <33C073D5.342CATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
TALE OF THE FLY
 
Saadi reports one quite characteristic example of conduct-teaching, from 
the life of Hatim al-Asamm: `The Deaf'. Some didacticians, he says, hold 
that Hatim of Balkh was deaf: do not believe it. One day he saw a fly 
caught in a web and spoke to it, for the edification of those present, 
saying that it hadn't been deceived by something attractive and 
desirable, but had only managed to get itself caught.
 
But this analogy of the human condition was further given point by the 
audience when they realised that Hatim's attention had been attracted to 
the buzzing of the fly, which other people could hardly hear: and yet it 
was he who was supposed to be deaf.
 
Hatim explained that he was not deaf at all. He pretended that he could 
not hear because then he would not be expected to listen to praise or 
opposition intended to influence him. If people thought him deaf, those 
who surrounded him would say what they really thought about him.
 
An interesting difference between Sufis and others is that, like 
sociologists and other scientists carrying out tests, Sufis are able to 
pretend - to deceive, as some will always have it - while the convention 
is that people should never pretend to be what they are not: in this 
case, of course, to be deaf. But the Sufi always points out that while 
he may pretend to a purpose, to point out a fact, the ordinary person 
will pretend because he wants people to accept and respect him. His 
pretence, therefore, is far worse and far less productive, except of 
deception and self-deception. 
 
from Learning How to Learn 
Idries Shah
 
I thought this of interest for several reasons. 
1. The image of a man talking to a spider in order to teach flys is 
humorous.  
2. The web of attachment that is being elucidated 
3. The concept of deception, trickery and false behaviour being utilised 
by exponents of the Truth. It is not unusual for genuine teachers to get 
students "jumping through hoops" in order to further the development of 
the would be illuminate. 
4. Never trust a Sufi.
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster 
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:17:25 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Play your own game 
Message-ID: <33C11695.6DACATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
J P Flarity wrote: 
  
> > Believe me my friend, telling people what they were really like is no 
> > fun. Best they find themselves. 
  
> Oh you tease me so lobster.  Please look into me and tell the universe 
> what you see. 
  
"I can see nothing but wisps of vapors, fleeting foggy morning light 
with 
the noon sun racing by . . ."
 
Lobster 
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:04:27 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca 
Subject: new comer 
Message-ID: <33C1219B.7466ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
 
> I have to go now, will share more of my experience 
> later. Question? what is this that I am experiencing? it is something good, 
> I know because it feels good, I just not willing to acknowledge a 
> student-master relationship, is this possible? for me to go on self direct 
> search for spiritual growth? perhaps this is a rhetorical question. 
>  
> My warmest wishes and good will to all. 
>  
> Seeker of growth
 
You are an insult to your teacher. You are not willing? And yet have the 
audacity to call yourself a Seeker of growth. 
Where do you intend to grow? In imagination? 
Yes, yes you can grow any way you want - why not - is that what you want 
to hear? 
You are not willing indeed. You are not capable. You are a disgrace.
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster
 
  
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:58:08 -0300 
From: Fabio Martins Costa <macauanATnospamoriginet.com.br> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 07:12:25 -0500 
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net> 
To: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca> 
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Turiya: The Fourth State 
Message-ID: <33C0DD29.3DB7ATnospamprodigy.net> 
 
Nancy Kar wrote: 
>  
> I found this very interesting and familiar, Ruth. 
>  
> About 10 yrs. ago I was having these episodes of waking from 
> my sleep, being totally paralysed, except I could open my eyes. 
> I saw swirling colours moving around the room and heard a really 
> loud buzzing sound. My husband at the time slept through it all,, 
> everytime it happened. All I felt at the time was intense fear, even 
> terror. I found that if I closed my eyes and 
> relaxed my mind I could go back to sleep and wake normally. 
> At this time also, I was waking up to find myself OBE and wandering 
> the streets, at night in spirit:).. not a good thing:) 
> I was having really bad health problems and my mother passed away 
> shortly after all of this. My doctor was going crazy trying to find out 
> what was happening to me :) He finally decided that I had Chronic Fatigue 
> Syndrome because of my disturbed sleep patterns and great fatigue. 
>  
> I started meditating at 17yrs. but stopped, for 13 years, when I got 
> married because 
> my ex used to tease me about my beliefs. I started meditating again 
> when we broke up and have continued since for 3 years. 
>  
> Sometimes I think that if I had of been meditating throughout the marriage 
> possibly these things would not have been so intense. 
>  
> I dunno.. but thanks for the info! 
>  
> Nancy 
>  
>      * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * 
>            Looking through Lightworking eyes, 
>                     Living through a Loveworking heart. 
> 'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller 
>      In lak'ech  Nancy...WaterFall in spirit   nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca 
>  
>  
I have a friend with the same experineces.. She received this type of 
dream after working with a Cuendaro in Mexico. He told her she was a 
healer and she's been healing in a pranic sort of style with one hand 
open to drain off bad energy and receive good energy and one hand on the 
patient.  She's been very effective. I gave her Reiki I attunement, 
however think her own form is individual and better for her. 
Love, 
flute 
Reiki Master Teacher 
Empathic 
http://pages.prodigy.com/flute 
http://www.create.org 
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:38:44 -0400 
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: virus alert of the mind kind 
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After reading this I discovered I had the "slump" virus and immediately 
straightened my back. :)
 
Thank you. 
John Halonen
 
At 12:30 PM 7/4/97 -0400, vic bonds wrote: 
>Hello, 
>I would like to say, there are, all sorts of new 
>viruses on the make, not only can computers 
>get viruses, but, you can get a virus from your 
>computer, through the ideas and electric-magnetic 
>waves of the brain, mind, and soul, doing the  
>awakened-state of consciousness, of the left, and 
>right brain, doing pulsations or revolutions, 
>turning back and forth, at 30 cycles per second, 
>and,cause a rippling effect, in the collective un- 
>consciousness, as well  as in you, it works well  
>if, you are of like or similar consciousness, 
>and, have a similar reality, and communication 
>ability, or desire, to do so, the very fact, that, this 
>is a Prophecy Station, of the computer radio 
>means a likeliness of several gurus in the 
>background with their devotees, here 
>consciously and unconsciously doing their 
>job simply by the dictomous and or harmonious 
>radiowaves sent out via the computer lines, 
>or, perhaps, along the lines of reality of similar 
>dreams, so, what I am saying is, that if you 
>have laid eyes on this, close enough, and make 
>a wish, for a guru like Carlos Castaneda, 
>you may actually get closer, closer, and closer, 
> in the spirit, to him, and his Revelation, about the powers of Spirit, as 
>revealed by his friend, and co-hort, Don Juan, the great Indian Sorcerer of 
>the Century, 
>who, is still putting amazing stars, in our eyes 
>even now. Why, who knows, you May even,  
>have a Guru, just because of this note. 
>He does go around like a sandman, and check 
>out situations, like any good guru, master, and 
>he may brush your life harder, when, you desire 
>it, and dream it, some of his books, are incredible, 
>and, look him up on the net,  
>at Carlos Castaneda  
>www home site clear green 
>Star Fire 
>And for fun, and learning how to 
>clean up the past, and general 
>discussion of revolutionary thought, 
>and, the extra- ordinary, and, the 
>b/s of any group, check out the 
>fun-filled posts of a diverse 
>group of dreamers, at 
>alt. Dreams Castaneda! 
> 
>At 04:31 AM 7/4/97 UT, you wrote: 
>>Hi All, 
>> I know how we all feel about erroneous virus alerts, but this was e-mailed  
>>via our intranet at work, and we are basically a non-alarmist high security  
>>o 
> 
> 
> 
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:28:22 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Processing kills 
Message-ID: <33C0EEF6.5D79ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Ken McFarland wrote: 
>  
> At 01:34 AM 7/7/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote: 
>  
> >Just about any fat or oil that is processed has high levels 
> >of trans fatty acids. Cooking oil, 
>  
> Dear David, 
> When you say Cooking oil, do you mean oils like safflower oil, corn oil, 
> sesame oil, vegatable oil, etc?
 
Yes, these oils are only healthy if left unprocessed.
 
Processing could be heating, bleaching, deodorizing or hydrogenation.
 
Fats that have nutritional value, have a "cis" chemical form. 
That's curved fat molecules with missing hydrogen atoms.
 
The processing is the culprit.
 
It converts the "cis" formation to the "trans" formation.
 
The body can no longer perform biological functions with this form.
 
No less, all the hazards.
 
So the oils you mention are fine, until processed.
 
"Extra-virgin" by law, means unprocessed.
 
Dr. Michael Colgan might have a useful book on fats, 
though if not, he is a good source for up to date info on this 
in articles, newsletters,and books that I have seen by him.
 
I'm not certain, but "The New Nutrition" by him, may go into 
greater detail.
 
Sincerely, 
David
 
 
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