1997/07/05 09:07
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #301
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 301
Today's Topics:
Turiya: The Fourth State
Re: Voice
Return To Mercy
Re: Hello everyone
Hello everyone - death of body and of ego
<<<<<Our enemies ourselves
RE: Hello everyone
RE: Taoists
Soul Salves (fwd)
Nervous Pain
<<<<<A Dearth of Lesbian Butterflies
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 22:17:59
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Turiya: The Fourth State
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Hi David:
The state that you are explaining is what I too have experienced. You are
lying asleep in bed.. your body is sleeping yet you are a fully conscious
of everything around you and inside you. This in the tradition of
Kashmir Shaivism is the "Turiya" state.. the 4th state of consciousness.
It is the door way through which one must pass to the higher states.
I am quoting from a book called : Kashmir Shaivism "The Secret Supreme"
by Swami Laksman Jee... I trust some of it is useful to you and others:
"The highest and most refined state in jagrat is called jagrat turya, the
fourth state in the state of wakefulness. In this state, the individual
subjective body, after losing consciousness of both external and internal
objectivity, enters into some consciousness of Self, of Being. He is
partly illuminated by that awareness of Self and he becomes quite aware
internally of the consciousness of Self. He moves and travels in the
objective world, and at the same time he resides in Self Consciousness. He
does not lose hold of his internal subjective consciousness. In Shaivism
jagrat turya is called suprabuddhah..absolutely full of awareness. "
Later he says: " When you concentrate in continuity with great reverence
with love affection and devotion then your breath becomes very fine and
subtle. Automatically you breathe very slowly. At that moment you
experience giddiness. it is a kind of intoxicating mood. And when during
the experience of this giddiness, you do not destroy your alertness of
concentration, this giddiness becomes firm and stable. This is the 2nd
state of turya known as nirananda... Here you do not lose awareness even
though you feel intoxicated. And when that giddiness becomes stable and
remains for a longer period then the aspirant falls asleep at once. Yet at
this point he does not enter into the dreaming state, rather, he enters in
that gap, that junction. This junction is known to be the start of turya.
In entering this junction the apsirant enters into another world. It is
not wakefullness, nor is it the dreaming state, nor is it sound sleep.
This world is the fourth world. Here the organs of this aspirant do not
function at all. He does not experience moving about nor does he hear or
see. If, with great effort, he were to open his eyes he would feel that he
is still sitting in his house, however, actually he cannot move any part
of his body and can only slightly move his eyelids.
At the moment the aspirant hears hideous sound and sees furious forms.
Those aspirant who are worried by these things try at once to come out
from this state and after exerting great effort they come and are again in
the waking state. On the other hand, there are those aspirants who try to
tolerate these hideous and terrible things. For example, he may experience
that the whole of the house has collapsed upon him, or he may experience
that there is a fire burning outside and this fire will burn everything
including himself [very common experience.. mine was about nuclear
destruction] These experiences, if endured and tolerated, will pass away.
If the aspirant cannot tolerate them then he will be thrown out into the
waking stated and must begin again. The asp. in order to continue his
journey must tolerate these hideous and terrible experiences. Here only
one thing is predominant and must be maintained and that is
breathing...... with love... These thoughts are wrong and he must ignore
them. All these experiences occur when the aspirant desires to move from
individuality to universality because individuality has to be shaken off.
When the movement towards universality begins this kind of struggle takes
place.
If you continue with tolerance, breathing and internally reciting your
mantra according to the instructions of your Master, then these terrible
sounds and forms vanish....."
Here I would say to all those who have read thus far... if you do not have
a Master who has gone this path him/herself... then I suggest you find
one immediately. Having gone down this path with a Master, I know still
it is very dangerous. My cautions are self earned. I know the danger. I
urge you to be certain that your Master is connected to you and watching
your progress, and that you have an awake mantra that has been proven over
many centuries.
Ruth /
******
"Place your burden at the feet of the Lord of the Universe who
accomplishes everything. Do not worry; abide in the Heart and surrender
your acts to the Divine." (Shree Ramana Maharshi)
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 07:03:03 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Voice
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David Bozzi wrote:
> I am not prone to hearing unsolicited voices.
>
> However, while in meditation a few days back
>
> I heard a voice say,
>
> "When the seer sees the seer,
>
> The seer sees all."
>
> I had heard this particular voice once before
>
> in '92.
>
> It was the peak of my dark night of the soul.
>
> I asked for guidance before going to sleep.
>
> That night I dreamt I was sitting upright, lotus position
>
> in my room.
>
> I floated several feet off the bed.
>
> Outside through the window was a spectacular view of
>
> the universe.
>
> Many brilliant stars and such.
>
> That voice said,
>
> "All this, is within."
>
> David
I am reminded of the Sufi who said:
Yesterday I heard a voice whispering in the dark,
"there is no such thing as a voice whispering in the dark"
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 07:58:43 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Return To Mercy
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Everything pertaining to this world is impermanent, constantly in a
state of transition. Therefore, it is only natural that I am here
addressing you today and elsewhere tomorrow. Don't let this condition
sadden you, for, in reality, transition is God's mercy to man. Don't
wish even for good times to last forever, for you wouldn't be able to
bear permanence - you would just get fed up. Know that the
discontinuation of any desirable state or condition is the catalyst
for gaining an even deeper appreciation of what is good. Longing for
the attainment of the spiritual realities of which you have caught a
glimpse is the means to their attainment. Is there any morsel tastier
than that upon which the fast is broken?
Love is eternal, and the transitory nature of all things pertaining
to
this world is a sign of truth, a sign that shows us by means of
contrast. Real spiritual love, love of God and love of mankind for
the
sake of God is the only truth, the only thing in this world that is
permanently and constantly sweet. Physical separation from someone
you
love, in accordance with the rule that pertains to the physical, may
create a longing that will cause love to increase, may augment the
bliss of reunion. But on the spiritual level that love is constant,
is
never interrupted by distance nor by time. Your beloved may be on the
moon and you may be in bliss at the thought of reunion, but if love
is
unrequited, that is not sweet separation but a bitter pill. The
extinction of love is pitch darkness. You may regard the sunset as
beautiful, but how would you feel if it were setting forever?
Love is the water of life. God created Adam from clay and water. If
it
were not for water the clay would hold no shape. Divine Love is what
binds our souls together. That is why people become so miserable when
they feel unloved. It is a feeling that something essential is
missing
from one's life, that life itself is incomplete, and in the face of
this ache people set out in search of love with the desperation of a
man dying of thirst.
Love is an attribute of God Almighty which binds His servants to Him
eternally. If God were to hate mankind it would be so easy for Him to
bring about an abrupt and terrible end to our follies--but He loves
us
and therefore shows us so much tolerance.
If you are a parent, consider your love for your children. If your
son
grew up to be a criminal, would you not love him still? Would you not
maintain that despite his bad actions he still had good in him, his
essential character is known to you as good, not evil."
The Lord created us and loves us; that is why everyone loves love. No
one complains of love or wants it to be taken from him, but all want
to be loved more. Where are you seeking love? Are you taking pure
water from the gushing source, or muddy, slimy water from the ditch?
You love people, but they will die. Perhaps your love will be
unrequited, or because of a small error or indiscretion on your part
that person's heart will harden to you and love will be no more. You
say that you love him or her, but do you love him or her
unconditionally? Is your love permanent-love for the real immaculate
divine essence living in that person, or temporary, as a result of
some desirable attributes: beauty, youth, wealth, station or wit?
When
that beautiful, young, wealthy, clever, amiable socialite becomes an
ugly, old, penniless, senile, grumpy outcast will you still love her?
Is your love of the spirit or of the world?
Oh people, seek real love, a love that cannot go astray. That love is
the love of God and the love of his creatures for the sake of his
love
for them. That love emanation may bind all receptive hearts. There is
a common saying: "The friend of a friend is a friend", so love people
if you love God, for you must know that He loves them. It is not
always easy to love people, even good people, so what about the
Korahs
of this world?
Love pertaining to the ego is not love, as all the ego knows is to
love itself, and what is commonly called love is but a mutual
understanding to support each other's egoism. Don't trust your ego,
nor anyone else's, for the ego is disloyal by nature. When the spirit
gains ascendancy the ego may be harnessed and put to good use, as the
Holy Prophet said: "Your ego is your mount", but left to its whims it
will take you many miles from your path in search of herbage.
This discourse is an Ocean, its summary is: what is of the world
beware of, and pay attention to the dose. When crossing that ocean
embark on a sturdy ship with well maintained lifeboats and
life-preservers, and if you swim in it keep your head above water!
"SHAIKH NAZIM AL- H AQQANI AL-QUBRUSI AL-NAQSHBANDI"
>From the book: Return To Mercy Oceans
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:28:22 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: "by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <OsmundvozATnospamaol.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hello everyone
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In message <3.0.1.16.19970704134043.3ee7880eATnospamdomin8rex.com>, "by way of
Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <OsmundvozATnospamaol.com>
writes
>
>
>Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
>From: OsmundvozATnospamaol.com
>Message-ID: <970703225042_-1192488650ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
>To: ijusterATnospamccnet.com
>Subject: Help with Kundalini
>
> My kundalini awoke about one year ago although I didn't have any idea
>what it was at the time. It started with this severe pain in my abdomen that
>I thought was an ulcer. It started moving and fluttering though and then I
>started getting this energy feeling all through my body. The original pain
>is gone now. But I have this pain in my upper chest which is causing me to
>have trouble breathing. I also get these feelings of extreme heat which are
>basically just aggravating. THe biggest problem I am having with it is
>anxiety. I think I was always somewhat of a nervous person but I am really
>having trouble even going to work or carrying out a conversation with anyone
>it gets so bad. I really could use any advice you could give me about how to
>deal with this. Does it ever go away or is it something that will lessen
>with time. Is there anyway to turn kudalini off. Is it really a good thing
>to have happen to you. Does the negative part lessen as time goes by. I do
>also have moments of extreme bliss so there is an upside to it. I see this
>beautiful light evertime I close my eyes it's a glowing purplish color. Any
>information or advice you could give me would be very much appreciated. I
>don't have a teacher or anything so I need every bit of help I can get.
> Thank you so much for your time.
>
> Many blessings,
>
> Ethan Fay
>
these are classic kundalini symptoms my friend......
they will probably last a good while yet until you begin to fine tune
your mind body and soul to the messsages they are sending you
may i suggest you review your whole life ? like how did this all start
and where am i going with this energy ? a holistic view often works well
with kundalini - so you may need to adjust diet, sleep, exercise,
everything in fact needs to work around the needs of kundalini. in
effect you are like a little spiritual baby learning to cooperate with
the mysterious intelligence of kundalini...
a good start is simply to discipine one's diet and cut out impure foods
and bring in wholefoods, fresh foods, and generally clean yourself out
coffee, tea, alcohol and cigarettes are not to shakti's tastes
have you tried going to a holistic bodyworker simply to relax and try
and integrate this energy a little more ?
Reiki or shiatsu are gentle but deep, and the practitioner may be able
to help you with diet and energy centring etc
it may also be worth looking at gentle martial arts like chi kung or tai
chi, perhaps doing a bit of swimming too, and walking barefoot...
avoid forceful and competitive exercise and sport, this will simply
complicate matters
yoga may not necessarily be a good idea as some approaches are very
willful and it sounds like you need to become more intuitive and listen
to your body and mind more deeply - so check out the teachers and see if
any of them understand your symptoms of imbalance and blockage.....
relaxation techniques can be very useful with shakti
especially before going to sleep when she can get to work on turning you
into a real yogi - and you do absolutely nothing at all !
have you had any dreams or spiritual experiences that might help guide
you ?
if you want some simple and safe energy clearing exercises try going to
http://tantrictom.demon.co.uk/pindex.htm and turn to the Silver Dawn
section>
good luck, i am with you my friend, kundalini can be a real handful -
regards
Yogi Tom
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Tom Aston
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:05:34 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hello everyone - death of body and of ego
Message-ID: <40TL3AAe5gvzEwokATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In
>
>Get familiar with your death.
>
>Keep it in your back pocket.
>
there are two classic forms of death in Zen i believe -
your physical death and the Great Death, the death of ego
through death of ego we come to understand the nature of our physical
impermanence and understand how we are to use this physical form for the
furthering of the evolutionary process
this can be very hard to accept as the ego may well prefer to take the
whole show with it when faced with the overwhelming light and energy of
shakti - a kind of private deathwish culture all of our own........
one should not underestimate just how deep our conditioning goes and
just what a victory it is to release the grip of the ego on life
one teaching that works for me is
DIE YOU BASTARD ! LAY DOWN AND DIE !
as you may have guessed, this is not a traditional teaching
and, of course, it is addressed to my ego rather than the buddha
nature....
but if you've seen Lord Yama, lord of death, then you'll know that he's
pretty frightening......
kind of equivalent to the Christian wrathful day of judgement
(except Lord Yama always offers you a way out.....)
kundalini wants us to die to ourselves
and if we don't slip quietly into that good night then an epic struggle
is the likely result which kundalini wins every time......
regards
Yogi Tom
>
>
>David
>
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Tom Aston
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 07:06:48 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: <<<<<Our enemies ourselves
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(k)ites,
During World War II, the Japanese maintained several human medical
experimental units. One of the most infamous was the one at Mukden,
Manchukuo (Manchuria).
One of the surviving doctors told how an American B-52 pilot had been
exposed to a bacterial agent and after the usual incubation period was taken
to surgery, stripped, tied to the operating table, and (as was customary
with 'maruta'; logs) without anasthetic Dr. Isii sliced open his chest,
pried open his ribcage, and removed a lung for examination. Then, noticing
the gaping, severed bronchial tube, unclamped the pilot's pulmonary artery
and, out of 'scientific curiosity', timed how long it took the still-living
man to drown in his own blood.
After the war, General MacArthur granted complete amnesty to the
people involved in these human experiments on the condition that they
divulge the medical data obtained from them. The information was of no value
at all and the doctors went on to live long, productive lives; Dr. Ishii
became head of one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in Japan.
Watching the Fourth-of-July fireworks last night and seeing Americans
vigorously waving little flags and singing the national anthem with a tear
in their eye makes me see so clearly how little distance there REALLY is
between 'us' and 'them.'
Yet, Pathfinder ..... the same day.
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 05:31:30
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Hello everyone
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Ethan Fay wrote...
But I have this pain in my upper chest which is causing me to
have trouble breathing.....but I am really
having trouble even going to work or carrying out a conversation with anyone
it gets so bad....Does it ever go away or is it something that will lessen
with time.... Does the negative part lessen as time goes by.
I am too new with k. experience to comment on these things. But I used to
have great pain in the glands in my neck...had great difficulty talking to
people...my experience wasn't as anxiety though...was a little
different...had difficulty understanding people....So I'll let others comment.
Would like to add more questions. About the same time the pain in my
glands went away I got a large bump on my forehead off to the left side.
There is no pain but it's very strange...been there for maybe three years
now. Also at the crown chakra there is like a peak. My head is sort of
strange shaped. Is this crazy? Has anyone else had similar problems?
Could this be k. related?
David
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 05:32:11
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Taoists
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From: E Jason
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 1997 3:31 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: awake dreaming
... Taoists are a group of alcoholic mystics who
never do anything.
In "pop" New Age Taoism we get phrases such as:
go with the flow
don't fight it
Have a Nice Day
Lobster
Dreaming he is a butterfly
Lobster I'm surprised at you...
Taoism is an ancient system with various branches. Pop Taoism is something
of a new phenomenon I don't understand...for that matter I don't understand
the older one either...
But give me a break...alchoholic mystics?
Most religious paths deny the body seeking purification and the Divine.
Enlightenment however, I'm told brings an awareness of the
body...everything in oneness. In Taoism the way begins with purification
of the body, involving discipline and study that makes Western paths seem
paltry. Enlightenment in this way brings an awareness of the
spirit...divineness....everything in oneness.
I have found people here in Korea who know a deeper sense of freedom than I
have seen other places. I'm not saying they are better...only that it is
legitimate.
Take care
David
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 05:32:39
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Soul Salves (fwd)
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This is an essay for helping with some of the stresses of kundalini as she
pushes her way through the subtle body blocks...
Good luck!
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4106/Soul.html
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 05:31:50
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Nervous Pain
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Hi
You wrote of your experiences of nervous stomach and how it was
incapacitating you. This is quite a common problem with this type of
awakening.
On my homepage http://166.122.32.61/trimble/Kundalini-1.html
you can find an explanation of what it is... according to achapter in my
book on this topic. This is also on spiritweb
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/kundalini-awakening-trimble.html in full.
I know it is very hard to go through the process, and it is possible to
stop it altogether... however, I think if you do you will be losing out.
In my opinion, which I share with Gopi Krishna - the foremost writer on
this topic, it isthe next stage of the evolution of man as a species. It
is the step that will assure that a creative being called human will
occupy a unique position in God's universe--we are being designed if you
will by the designer to take up a new role. We shall be the material,
spirit and will in one being with full creative capacity. We will be the
prototype for a whole new type of being that is to come to occupy a whole
new arena of the universe which WE will design out of our elevated
capacities with full kundalini awakening. Sounds pretty far out.. and
rather vague too.. but this is how I have come to see it through many
years of pondering the meaning of this awakening.
The Kundalini is the reptilian energy in us.. it is NATURE in us fully
active. A little inconvenience and discomfort is a small price to pay for
it. In ancient times Yogis lived for centuries to have this experience,
and I have heard of yogis doing intense yoga for 30 years and never even
having a glimpse of it. That you have it without effort speaks of your
great good fortune, your advanced spiritual state [from other lifetimes]
and the sign of the times we live in....for the activation of this
Kundalini in so many is created by the ascension of the planet Earth that
we inhabit. She, Goddess Gaia, is accelerating and vibrating at a higher
rate.. and this automatically triggers certain human beings to wake up in
this way.
When you complain about the pain.. there is a simple solution but it is
not easy to do it. That is surrender into the pain and find out WHY you
are resisting the ascent of the energy that seeks to reach her goal.
Shakti is the female who awakens at the root chakra and she seeks her
Lord Shiva ( in the crown chakra). She snakes up through all the nadis
(subtle channels) cleaning out all the impressions of the past that have
left dirty blocks in your subtle body
and she heads directly to her Lord. The blocks on the way cause kriyas..
which are strange body movements which affect the physical body, and the
emotional body creating all these symptoms which you experience. They are
all YOURS... no one else owns them. You have created these blocks, and you
now have a chance to unlock them. It is as if the tape of your past
lives is erasing.. after how many thousands of years of going in one
direction...creating more and more illusion or separation from the Self.
And with the Kundalini, you have a chance to erase that whole mess.. and
return to the truth of Who You Are. Now this is easy to say... but there
are people who can help you to unblock these areas. Acupuncture,
acupressure, psychic surgeons, and various other healers who can see the
ki(chi, or prana) in the body and facilitate the blocks there. This is
why a Master is necessary to everyone. The dangers are very REAL.. and yet
the outcome after a few years of suffering... is transformation into an
entirely advanced, fully creative being. You think about it. Is that
pain so very awful when you balance it against the benefits? Take time
off work...cut down your commitments to the paradigm of 9 - 5 and let the
Kundalini come as She will... you are very much being blessed.
PS I also believe that just as our body has subtle channels for the ki,
chi or prana - so do does the Earth and our rituals and ceremonies on the
planet are like acupuncture for Gaia.. we are freeing up her kundalini and
allowing her to ascend just as we are also doing.
Believe me... you are fully blessed and you have been highly honored.
Ruth
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"Place your burden at the feet of the Lord of the Universe who
accomplishes everything. Do not worry; abide in the Heart and surrender
your acts to the Divine." (Shree Ramana Maharshi)
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http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 07:45:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com
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Hello (k)ites,
On a lighter note. As many know one of our personal pursuits is
lepidoptero-philately. This brings us into contact with eclectic and
esoteric information not often seen in the more mundane light of day.
Much debate is being made today in the U.S. about recognition of gay
marriage and giving these couples the same 'special' privileges accorded
conventional 'straight' marriages. At one time I would have probably
propounded a vociferous and heartfelt righteous stance. Now .... since k-
awakening, I tend to have far fewer opinions about what others should and
should not do ... forcing my beliefs and standards on others seems such a
waste of my energy ... and to what purpose? To justify my beliefs? Why? My
beliefs are only important to me; why should I arrogantly believe they are
'right' for others? What is to be gained by pressing them on others; whether
they agree and want them or disagree and reject them?
Oh, well ... Quay, Sarah Sarah =-)! Back to leapin' lepidoptera
(butterflies and ilk to the taxonomically bereft). One of our entomologist
online contacts has a most unusual avocation. He collects butterflies (yeah,
I know ... a busmans holiday). But, the difference is, they are collected
only after he has specifically observed them engaged in whoopee (the dirty
old lecher!). Wait, wait .... there is STILL another twist. Only after he
has observed them engaged in gay sex! Courtship flight, mounting, etc.
He has so far collected over 760 different species engaged in this
behavior (and nary a vengeful god striking them down with thunderbolts to be
seen =-). His estimation of the males caught making this 'lifestyle choice'
at about 5-7% of the total number. However, the number of 'lesbian'
butterflies was far less and he wondered only briefly why this would be and
then he hit upon a logical explanation.
Most butterflies mate only once and then their hormones are switched
off. Males can continue pursuing males to their little heart's content until
they find a willing partner, whereas females are more likely to be grabbed
(some male butterflies have special parts for doing this =-) and mated with;
whether they are willing or not and then their hormones turn them off to sex
altogether. So it is possible that the gay factor is equally present in
female lepidoptera, but expression is less likely to be seen.
Inherent in the antigay argument that homosexuality is a 'lifestye
choice' is the self-congratulatory "I CHOSE to be heterosexual, what a
wonderful human am I". However, that also carries the unexpressed, "I am
lusting after members of my own sex and only by the application of my will,
my CHOICE, am I able to suppress that desire which is ever present". This
leads me to believe that there is some truth to the opinion that gay-bashing
is founded on reaction to that which these people fear and loathe in
themselves.
Also ignored is the fact that people are rarely 100% heterosexual or
100% homosexual (as a matter of fact, the word heterosexual was originally
introduced into the language to describe a pathological condition requiring
treatment to integrate the individual so afflicted into normal society =-).
So, for the bisexually inclined there appears to INDEED be a choice that is
unavailable to the ends of the spectrum.
Poor lady butterflies =-)
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
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