1997/07/04 22:32
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #300
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 300
Today's Topics:
Re: hi, I'm all new
Computers and kundalini
Re: Love + compassion
just enlightenment...
Re: Love + compassion
Re: The Golden Age
Re: Love + compassion
Re: awake dreaming
Re: K.List Family Album
Re: root chakra
Trust your children
Re: awake dreaming
Re: awake dreaming
Re: awake dreaming
virus alert of the mind kind
Re: K.List Family Album
Hello everyone
First
Re: Trust your children
Voice
Re: Hello everyone
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:43:32 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: hi, I'm all new
Message-ID: <33BC9B94.6A47ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Paul Fallon wrote:
> - Newboy Paul.
> This is not the end: it is not even the beginning of the end. It is perhaps the end of the beginning.
Welcome.
Why are you here?
What do you want?
What can you offer?
Your mind is all over the place (that's OK).
Do you meditate?
No? OK - where do you want to go?
Imagine Kundalini is a mistaken Ms Snake that has been ripped out of
you. Now what are you?
Welcome.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:45:22 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Computers and kundalini
Message-ID: <33BC8DF2.6402ATnospambest.com>
Hi,
My computer never gives me problems, although I used to have my share of
kundalini-caused electronic problems. I offer three cures:
1> put a good-sized (2") piece of rose quartz on the monitor (your
interface)
2> Protect yourself against EMF (electro-magnetic freqency) emissions
because kundalini responds to it often as invasive energy. I use a
special "diode" that a friend of mine sells very inexpensively which
looks like jewelry. There are lots of emf cures sold at new age health
fairs. They don't cut back on measurable emf, instead they strengthen
your body's energy field to handle it.
3> Ground out excess body energy before sitting down to the computer.
Your computer may be acting as the ground.
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:52:44 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
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At 07:21 AM 7/4/97 +0500, S.R.Peswani wrote:
> Ram has been going thro pain and dukkha since last five years . Every
>movement towards higher evolution leaves behind pain. Earlier when i was
>not meditating ( before 1992) i was in pain because of ill health and my
>nature of hatred fear and jealousy. Though now health is good and fear
>hatred and jealousy are almost gone, still movement towards higher
>evolution is pain.
Dear Ram,
I really want to understand what you are saying. You state that you are now
in good health and fear, hatred and jealousy are almost gone. Then what is
the cause of your pain? When does it occur? What are you thinking or what
are you not thinking when you experience pain?
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:59:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: just enlightenment...
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Perhaps enlightenment is nothing more than when our worst
fears become our most divine inspirations....just a thought.
nothing special
just doing what we do
follow your bliss
bye, nothing is
Kosmic thunder "A-U-M"
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:45:37 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
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On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Ken McFarland wrote:
> At 07:21 AM 7/4/97 +0500, S.R.Peswani wrote:
>
>
> > Ram has been going thro pain and dukkha since last five years . Every
> >movement towards higher evolution leaves behind pain. Earlier when i was
> >not meditating ( before 1992) i was in pain because of ill health and my
> >nature of hatred fear and jealousy. Though now health is good and fear
> >hatred and jealousy are almost gone, still movement towards higher
> >evolution is pain.
>
> Dear Ram,
>
> I really want to understand what you are saying. You state that you are now
> in good health and fear, hatred and jealousy are almost gone. Then what is
> the cause of your pain? When does it occur? What are you thinking or what
> are you not thinking when you experience pain?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken
>
Dear Ken,
Pain is not mental. It is physical in the sense ...
1) There is day and night movement of energy in my body. And this
movement needs all the time my awareness . When i am not aware of this
movement of energy , it accumulates in various parts of my body, head ,
neck. shoulders , stomach , legs etc, etc. This accumulated energy causes
pressure initially , later it converts into pain .
2) When i go to sleep and get up after four or three hours , i get
up with pain . It normally takes me one or little more than one hour to
reduce thro awareness this pain to pressure and equally more time to
dissipate this pressure.
3) i can reduce this pain faster by getting into emotional situation
of love or sex deliberately , but next time it comes back faster and
stronger.
4) Along with this change of internal energy thro movement i had to
go thro external changes in my surroundings. The bad and good things
that have occured in my life in last five years have been many many times
more than they occured in my earlier life of fifteen years. i have kept a
record of them.>
It is since last one month or so that this energy movement
though it is more intense but it is less painful. I have been taking
lot of water since last five years due to heat emission.
etc. etc.
ram
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 03:18:06 EDT
From: lj18ATnospamjuno.com (LOUIS JACKSON G JACKSON)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: lj18ATnospamjuno.com
Subject: Re: The Golden Age
Message-ID: <19970703.132217.8207.0.lj18ATnospamjuno.com>
As a new student to Kundalini as well as many other spiritual
paths, I have been most fascinated by the prediction that we are about to
enter a new period of time when people will begin to see their lives as
spiritual unfoldings and peace will dominate. The Indians call this the
Golden Age and say that it will occur after many catastrophic changes to
the earth and it's inhabitants. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to
find any information about this anywhere.
If anyone knows anything about it
or could suggest any books, websites,etc., I would greatly appreciate
it. Sincerely, Louis
Jackson
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:57:13 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Cc: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love + compassion
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On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Ken McFarland wrote:>
> Dear Ram,
>
> I really want to understand what you are saying. You state that you are now
> in good health and fear, hatred and jealousy are almost gone. Then what is
> the cause of your pain? When does it occur? What are you thinking or what
> are you not thinking when you experience pain?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken
>
> There has to be no thinking , if thought comes i watch it in
passing . My method of meditation is to be just aware . I am aware of
movement of energy , of thoughts if any , of pain , of pressure or of
bliss. it is like watching Tv without being involved in its scenes.
It has been 95 % pain and pressure.
ram.
Date: 4 Jul 97 9:56:34
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: awake dreaming
Message-Id: <9707040858.AA5818ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
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>is this a dream and are we an illusion ?
There was a story - a zen story i think ----
The Master was dreaming once that he was a butterfly.
He woke up from the dream.....
Or was was He a butterfly dreaming he was a man ?
Is our "awakened" state more real than our "deaming" state ? When we "dream" do
we not experience everything around ? Or are we dreaming that we are dreaming
that we are dreaming that we are dreaming ..... ??? (;-)>
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: 4 Jul 97 9:51:01
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: K.List Family Album
Message-Id: <9707040901.AA5830ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
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---Susan wrote----
>my voice has changed! it use to come from high in my throat but since
>shaktipat and other interventions it has moved into my chest. (i have
>gotten marriage proposals based on my voice).
>
>isn't life a wonder!? ;D
You are right in the observations. The texts on tantra assert that after the
heart chakra is opened, the person undergoes a change in personality
and looks and becomes attractive and pleasing. Specially the voice.
The voice also additionally gets toned up because of regular pranayam.
After some time in regular practice, my voice reached down to the stomach...
The same would happen to you as well and the tonal quality will improve,
resulting in a very powerful effect on people around.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:32:40 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: LOUIS JACKSON G JACKSON <lj18ATnospamjuno.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: root chakra
Message-ID: <W$+wlPAoULvzEw8yATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <19970703.123638.4399.3.lj18ATnospamjuno.com>, LOUIS JACKSON G
JACKSON <lj18ATnospamjuno.com> writes
> Thanks for replying to my post re the root chakra.The book was
>suggesting that people imagine red energy from the root chakra as filling
>a visualized bar magnet stretching from root center to crown center. The
>book was written by a theologian, but I take it this guy was trying to
>help people get laid more often rather than help them in spiritual
>growth. If the root chakra is negative and animal-like as some people
>say, then that guy proves
>it. Sincerely,
>Louis
>Jackson
it has these qualities before it has been cleaned out
in its pure form it is wonderful and stands for everything from great
health, childlike innocence and mastery of the material realms
this purification comes from above, so to start from the root is not a
good move, to put it mildly, you may never even get off the ground !
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:08:20 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Trust your children
Message-ID: <33BD1FF4.1989ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
susan carlson wrote:
> > > Buddha said that this life is all dukkha (pain)
> i certainly wouldnt want somebody with that kind of belief system in
> my neighborhood. or around children for that matter. doesn't sound
> like buddha dude knows much about life and its sweetness (based on
> your quote).
'Tis true Children can be a corrupting influence on Buddhas.
Dukkha is best seen as "unsatisfactoriness". We can not gain rest or
contentment in any experience because we try and hang on to the positive
(kundalini junkies) and avoid the unpleasant (part of reality).
The Buddha was a happy soul (which is only part of the reason why people
tried to kill him) but being dead for thousand of years would make his
presence around children unhygenic - better to have a puppy.
> i am still chewing on the thought, "enlightenment is a cultural myth".
> thank you morgana :D
The bigger myth is its opposite.
Most Kind Regards
the mythical Lobster
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:31:14 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: awake dreaming
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Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
> There was a story - a zen story i think ----
>
> The Master was dreaming once that he was a butterfly.
> He woke up from the dream.....
>
> Or was was He a butterfly dreaming he was a man ?
This is a Taoist tale. Taoists are a group of alcoholic mystics who
never do anything.
In "pop" New Age Taoism we get phrases such as:
go with the flow
don't fight it
Have a Nice Day
Lobster
Dreaming he is a butterfly
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:02:45 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamais01.ais.it>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: awake dreaming
Message-ID: <nphcQcAVhNvzEw7QATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <9707040858.AA5815ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>, Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT
<Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it> writes
>>is this a dream and are we an illusion ?
>
>
>There was a story - a zen story i think ----
>
>
>The Master was dreaming once that he was a butterfly.
>He woke up from the dream.....
>
>Or was was He a butterfly dreaming he was a man ?
>
>
>Is our "awakened" state more real than our "deaming" state ? When we "dream" do
>we not experience everything around ? Or are we dreaming that we are dreaming
>that we are dreaming that we are dreaming ..... ??? (;-)>
>
>Cheers and love to all
>Ashanka
>
>
this is interesting too in the light of kundalini in that some people
find that the best integration occurs in deep dreamless sleep - the
primordial state in which we are submerged in the unconscious
while dreaming can also provide a powerful form of integration
which has to be carried over to the waking state otherwise the
consciousness becomes like a plug in a volcano rumbling away as the
unconscious energies emerge
thus the need for symbolic forms such as mandalas and yidams of Tibetan
Tantra to bridge the worlds between conscious and unconscious, as direct
exposure to the unconscious would overwhelm
ultimately all is one universal seamless web, but as we evolve different
aspects of consciousness need to be developed and interwoven and
balanced.....
so we all have our own cosmic journeys towards wholeness, regardless of
how much we may try to discount our spiritual natures, especially in the
light of reductive science.......
perhaps the best place to start is through dreaming.......
love Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: 4 Jul 97 17:41:58
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: awake dreaming
Message-Id: <9707041646.AA6139ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
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---Yogi Tom wrote---
>perhaps the best place to start is through dreaming.......
There is in tantric practices an excercise called "yoga nidra" which literally
means yogic sleep. This is the method to go to sleep with the "mantra" being
continuously repeated. Probably this is one way to get to dreamland with
full consciousness ????
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:30:22 -0400
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: virus alert of the mind kind
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Hello,
I would like to say, there are, all sorts of new
viruses on the make, not only can computers
get viruses, but, you can get a virus from your
computer, through the ideas and electric-magnetic
waves of the brain, mind, and soul, doing the
awakened-state of consciousness, of the left, and
right brain, doing pulsations or revolutions,
turning back and forth, at 30 cycles per second,
and,cause a rippling effect, in the collective un-
consciousness, as well as in you, it works well
if, you are of like or similar consciousness,
and, have a similar reality, and communication
ability, or desire, to do so, the very fact, that, this
is a Prophecy Station, of the computer radio
means a likeliness of several gurus in the
background with their devotees, here
consciously and unconsciously doing their
job simply by the dictomous and or harmonious
radiowaves sent out via the computer lines,
or, perhaps, along the lines of reality of similar
dreams, so, what I am saying is, that if you
have laid eyes on this, close enough, and make
a wish, for a guru like Carlos Castaneda,
you may actually get closer, closer, and closer,
in the spirit, to him, and his Revelation, about the powers of Spirit, as
revealed by his friend, and co-hort, Don Juan, the great Indian Sorcerer of
the Century,
who, is still putting amazing stars, in our eyes
even now. Why, who knows, you May even,
have a Guru, just because of this note.
He does go around like a sandman, and check
out situations, like any good guru, master, and
he may brush your life harder, when, you desire
it, and dream it, some of his books, are incredible,
and, look him up on the net,
at Carlos Castaneda
www home site clear green
Star Fire
And for fun, and learning how to
clean up the past, and general
discussion of revolutionary thought,
and, the extra- ordinary, and, the
b/s of any group, check out the
fun-filled posts of a diverse
group of dreamers, at
alt. Dreams Castaneda!
At 04:31 AM 7/4/97 UT, you wrote:
>Hi All,
> I know how we all feel about erroneous virus alerts, but this was e-mailed
>via our intranet at work, and we are basically a non-alarmist high security
>o
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 13:41:11
From: OsmundvozATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K.List Family Album
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I have dimples too. I have also noticed an extreme change in my facial
expression especially around my eyes. Just letting you know
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 13:40:43
From: OsmundvozATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hello everyone
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: OsmundvozATnospamaol.com
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To: ijusterATnospamccnet.com
Subject: Help with Kundalini
My kundalini awoke about one year ago although I didn't have any idea
what it was at the time. It started with this severe pain in my abdomen that
I thought was an ulcer. It started moving and fluttering though and then I
started getting this energy feeling all through my body. The original pain
is gone now. But I have this pain in my upper chest which is causing me to
have trouble breathing. I also get these feelings of extreme heat which are
basically just aggravating. THe biggest problem I am having with it is
anxiety. I think I was always somewhat of a nervous person but I am really
having trouble even going to work or carrying out a conversation with anyone
it gets so bad. I really could use any advice you could give me about how to
deal with this. Does it ever go away or is it something that will lessen
with time. Is there anyway to turn kudalini off. Is it really a good thing
to have happen to you. Does the negative part lessen as time goes by. I do
also have moments of extreme bliss so there is an upside to it. I see this
beautiful light evertime I close my eyes it's a glowing purplish color. Any
information or advice you could give me would be very much appreciated. I
don't have a teacher or anything so I need every bit of help I can get.
Thank you so much for your time.
Many blessings,
Ethan Fay
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 13:41:38
From: David Innocenti <dudiATnospamconmet.it> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: First
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Hello
This is my first
My name is David, I come from a town named Prato (meadow) close to Florence
in Italy,
I'm 35 years old. I'm subscribed to this mailing list for curiosity and for
understand.
Some mounths ago I read a book from A. Avalon speaking about kundalini and
hindu
vision of reality, I was wonder because I recognize some particular
sensation like what I felt when i was younger and what I feel now
I named this particolar experience in my personal language "sleep-awake",
everything began when I was a child (6 years old) were so powerful and
totally uncontrolled, I remenber one high sound in my head and when the
sound became very
hight my body was sleeping but my mind was awake, I felt a terrible kind of
electricity in my
back and nothing more happens, almost four night in a week I have had this
experience, for me was terrible, I tried to told this experience with other
person but i received no answer and I felt myself not equal to the other my
fiends, after one year I stopped to tell was more interested for me to see
what's happen in my sleep-awake state.
Little by little I start to hear some sounds and to watch some coloured
mists....nonsense.
When I was 8th years old the frequency of my sleep-awake state was reduced
to one or two at week and the initial sound disappered, I entered in my
sleep-awake state in a few seconds, I named this short period "ionization",
in these few seconds I decided to move my body or not, if I move no
sleep-awake if I don't move in a few second my body was "frozen in that
position" entering in sleep-awake state. Generally I was moving myself in
sleep-awake state trying to call my brother sleeping close to me o to call
my mother and my father, but I realized my body was not moving I walking
only in a sleep-awake state, every two states are reality for me but
sleep-awake state it's diffenced by strong electricity in my back.
Approximatively when I was 14th 15th years old I have had a sleep-awake
state named by me "tunnel effects", it's start immediatly when I close my
eyes, I remember a sensation of speed, many lights was on-off-on in front
of me but I saw only the luminosity like when a person switch on a torch in
front of you and you have your eyes closed, there was a person (probably)
beating onto a metallic wall with an hammer or something like that, I
arrived in a part of the tunnell where there was a strong light and my
sleep-awake state finished i was totally wake and in that moment I lose my
fear for this experience, I switched off the light close my eyes and again
I start to fly fastly in the tunnel and when the big light arrive I slept.
That was very beautiful for me but with nonsense.
I have had thousand of other strage experience many of this I forgot.
Now my sleep-awake state are not so fequently I'm generally nervous and
stressed sometimes I can't
stop my brain, I'm thinking and thinking and got more stressed, I did a
trip to meet some my friends in
Sweden and immediatly sleep-awake state restarting, sleep-awake state
generally start in a relaxed period for
me. Some mounths ago I tried to relax myself, I was onto the sofa, and
trying to think at my body, sleep-awake state comes in a few minutes and my
arms and my legs was shaking I felt the electricity exits on the top of my
lukewarm head and I fly very close to the wall, I got worried for this and
sleep-awake state finish, I was onto my sofa.
In the last my sleep-awake experience the electricity stopped at my heart
position.
One yogi comes from India sad to me "you need to do Hatha-Yoga, Pranayama
you don't need for now meditation". What do you think about it.
Thank's David
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Trust your children
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dear lobster,
---E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Dukkha is best seen as "unsatisfactoriness". We can not gain rest or
> contentment in any experience because we try and hang on to the
positive
> (kundalini junkies) and avoid the unpleasant (part of reality).
but this is not my experience. it used to be, before k transformed my
mind. yes i am a pleasure seeking k junkie::::sigh:::::and my life
isn't
hazy opium fields and distraction free. being in the unpleasant just
doesn't 'hook' me anymore or as widely as it did.
i dont have to 'hang on to the positive' cause in the quietness i feel
it all around me. i just forget its there. the reality (the
unpleasant) reminds me where i can choose to put my attention. i am,
most of the time, rested (well,not really in a physical sense because
i have two jobs and am a part time computer animation student) and
contented before any experience. i don't have to depend on the
experience to create those states of mind cause they are my natural
state.
maybe when i can remain in rest and contentment 100% of the time is
what nirvana may be. god/dess knows i am *not* free of attachments and
they are an endless cause of fascination for me in their tangling and
untangling. i still often fall into the trap of confusing the creator
with her creation but at least now i know there's a trap.
and i can grok unsatisfactoriness. there always seems to be a better
way.
blessings,
the demythical susan
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 20:37:27 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Voice
Message-ID: <33BD9747.2BEAATnospammail.snet.net>
I am not prone to hearing unsolicited voices.
However, while in meditation a few days back
I heard a voice say,
"When the seer sees the seer,
The seer sees all."
I had heard this particular voice once before
in '92.
It was the peak of my dark night of the soul.
I asked for guidance before going to sleep.
That night I dreamt I was sitting upright, lotus position
in my room.
I floated several feet off the bed.
Outside through the window was a spectacular view of
the universe.
Many brilliant stars and such.
That voice said,
"All this, is within."
David
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 20:50:52 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Hello everyone
Message-ID: <33BD9A6C.6028ATnospammail.snet.net>
by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
> From: OsmundvozATnospamaol.com
> Message-ID: <970703225042_-1192488650ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
> To: ijusterATnospamccnet.com
> Subject: Help with Kundalini
> But I have this pain in my upper chest which is causing me to
> have trouble breathing. I also get these feelings of extreme heat which are
> basically just aggravating. THe biggest problem I am having with it is
> anxiety. Does the negative part lessen as time goes by.
Hello,
Yes, I have had this heaviness in my heart accompanied by anxiety.
I also didn't want to eat or sleep.
It occurred during my dark night of the soul phase.
And for me, it was just that.
A phase.
Pardon my lack of diplomacy here,
but it sucked.
I never thought it would end.
It was a gradual phase out for me.
I believe detachment is the key to being freed of this.
When you are in a position to let go of everything familiar
around you, at a moment's notice... you will fear nothing.
Get familiar with your death.
Keep it in your back pocket.
David
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