1997/07/01  04:41  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #296 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 296
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Faster than the speed of light. Was: Tackyonisation.... 
  Khalil Gibran 
  Re: Elementals 
  (no subject) 
  Re: Love + compassion 
  reiki symobls redux 
  see love and you will see god as well 
  Re: Elementals 
  Path to Here 
  A lot of ?s 
  what is kundalini? 
  questions 
  Are you on the K. list? 
  Re: Love + compassion 
Date: 30 Jun 97 18:03:42  
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it> 
To: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> 
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Faster than the speed of light. Was: Tackyonisation.... 
Message-Id: <9706301709.AA3193ATnospamAIS01.ais.it> 
 
---Peggy wrote--- 
 
>Yes, it seems to work in the opposite direction too.  Not only does the path 
>of science lead to mysticicsm, but the mystic or spiritual can lead to 
>science.  I'm thinking in particular of a book called "The Genesis Cipher," 
>by Carlos Suares.  He re-translates the original text of Genesis in the Old 
>Testament using the original meanings of the 22 Hebrew ideograms, which each 
>represent one of the archetypal forces in the universes.  The story of 
>creation then sounds more like a statement of quantum mechanics and 
>thermodynamics. 
>
 
The ancient Indian texts have been studied for their theories on the origin of  
the Universe and origin of time, space and causation. The conclusion is the  
same. ...The fact of Shakti being the origin of all energy is now being studied 
as the Unified Force Theory.
 
The only difference between the "scientific" approach and the "spritual"  
approach 
is that science requires "hard facts" to proceed. However, modern physics and  
contemporary science is relying more on intution and imagination and the paths 
of science and spitituality are slowly and steadily merging.....
 
Infact the ancient Indian rishis were more like theoritical physicists. They  
could actually 
tell what goes on inside the atoms, and outside in the universe. Think about  
the atronomer 
Aryabhata who made all the calculations of eclipses and planetary motion long  
before  
anyone in the world know what a telescope was !... 
 
>Peggy, trying to juggle both paths.
 
Both the paths lead to the same conslucions, same knowledge.....
 
Cheers and love to all.. 
Ashanka 
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:17:29 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: BUDDHISTATnospamVM1.MCGILL.CA 
CC: tariqasATnospamworld.std.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, genius-LATnospamnewciv.org 
Subject: Khalil Gibran 
Message-ID: <33B876C9.C9AATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
 
Khalil Gibran
 
Kahlil Gibran was born in Lebanon, in 1883. In 1912, he 
settled in New York City and devoted himself to writing (in both Arabic 
and English) and to painting. His books have sold nearly ten million 
copies in English alone and have won the love of readers all over the 
world. His mystical drawings and paintings were compared by Auguste 
Rodin to the work of William Blake. Gibran died in 1931.
 
Here are some Quotes of Khalil Gibran, taken from his book 
"Sand and Foam":
 
Only once was I made mute. It was when a man asked me , "Who are 
you?"
 
The significance of man is not in what he attains but rather in what 
he longs to attain.
 
There is a space between man's imagination and man's attainment that 
may only be traversed by his longing.
 
The reality of the other person is not in what he reveals to you, 
but in what he cannot reveal to you. Therefore, if you would understand 
him, listen not to what he says but rather to what he does not say.
 
Half of what I say us meaningless; but I say it so that the other 
half may reach you.
 
The real in us us silent; the acquired is talkative.
 
Only the dumb envy the talkative
 
Words are timeless. You should utter them or write them with a 
knowledge of their timelessness.
 
Inspiration will always sing; inspiration will never explain.
 
Thinking is always the stumbling stone to poetry.
 
All our words are crumbs that fall down from the feast of the 
mind.
 
A madman is not less a musician than you or myself; only the 
instrument on which he plays is a little out of tune.
 
I have never agreed with my other self wholly. the truth of the 
matter seems to lie between us.
 
Love that does not renew itself every day becomes a habit and in 
turn a slavery.
 
Friendship is always a sweet responsibility, never an opportunity.
 
How shall my heart be unsealed unless it is broken.
 
You see but your shadow when you turn your back to the sun.
 
Generosity is not in giving me that which I need more than you do, 
but it is in giving me that which you need more than I do.
 
Those who give you a serpent when you ask for a fish, may have 
nothing but serpents to give. It is then generosity on their part.
 
The truly just is he who feels half guilty of your misdeeds
 
Only an idiot and a genius break man-made laws, and they are the 
nearest to the heart of God.
 
I have no enemies, O God, but if I am to have an enemy 
Let his strength be equal to mine, 
that truth alone may be the victor.
 
perhaps a man may commit suicide in self-defense.
 
The only one who has been unjust to me is the one to whose brother I 
have been unjust.
 
And when you see a man drunken say in your heart,"Mayhap he sought 
escape from something still more unbeautiful." How stupid is he who 
would patch the hatred in his eyes with the smile of his lips.
 
It is wiser for the lame not to break his crutches upon the head of 
his enemy.
 
We are all prisoners but some of us are in cells with windows and 
some without.
 
Strange that we all defend our wrongs with more vigor than we do our 
rights.
 
Should we all confess our sins to one another we would all laugh at 
one another for our lack of originality. 
Should we all reveal our virtues we would also laugh for the same 
cause. 
Government is an agreement between you and myself. You and myself 
are often wrong.
 
Is there a greater fault than being conscious of the other person's 
faults?
 
They deem me mad because I will not sell my days for gold; 
And I deem them mad because they think my days have a price.
 
I would be the least among men with dreams and the desire to fulfill 
them, reather than the greatest with no dreams and no desires.
 
You cannot judge any man beyond our knowledge of him, and how small 
is your knowledge.
 
Solitude is a silent storm that breaks down all our dead branches; 
yet it sends our living roots deeper into the living heart of the 
living earth.
 
When you sing the hungry hear you with his stomach.
 
Death is not nearer to the aged than to the newborn; neither is 
life.
 
The obvious is that which is never seen until someone expresses it 
simply
 
Fame is the shadow of passion standing in the light.
 
A root is a flower that disdains fame.
 
The truly great man is he who would master no one, and who would be 
mastered by none.
 
A bigot is a stone-deaf orator.
 
An exageration is a truth that has lost its temper.
 
You cannot laugh and be unkind at the same time.
 
The nearest to my heart are a king without a kingdom and a poor man 
who does not know how to beg.
 
A shy failure is nobler than an immodest success.
 
There lies a green field between the scholar and the poet; should 
the scholar cross it he becomes a wise man; should the poet cross it, 
he becomes a prophet.
 
He who listens to truth is not less than he who utters truth.
 
Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less 
than you need.
 
Wit is often a mask. If you could tear it you would find either a 
genius irritated or clevernesss juggling.
 
Desire is half of life; indefference is half of death.
 
The bitterest thing in our today's sorrow is the memory of our 
yesterday's joy.
 
Faith is an oasis in the heart which will never be reached by the 
caravan of thinking.
 
If you reveal your secrets to the wind you should not blame the wind 
for revealing them to the trees.
 
Strange that creatures without backbones have the hardest shells 
(Lobster!)
 
Some of our children are our justifications and some are but our 
regrets.
 
When you enjoy loving your neighbor it ceases to be a virtue.
 
You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one 
with whom you have wept.
 
There must be something strangely sacred in salt. it is in our tears 
and in the sea.
 
What we long for and cannot attain is dearer than what we have 
already attained.
 
Seven centuries ago seven white doves rose from a deep valley flying 
to the snow-white summit of the mountain. One of the seven men who 
watched the flight said, "I see a black spot on the wing of the seventh 
dove." Today the people in that valley tell of seven black doves that 
flew to the summit of the snowy mountain.
 
It is misery if I stretch an empty hand to men and receive nothing; 
but it is hopelessness if I stretch a full hand and find none to 
receive.
 
Even the hands that make crowns of thorns are better than idle hands
 
Every man is the descendant of every king and every slave that ever 
lived.
 
Every thought I have imprisoned in expression I must free by my 
deeds.
 
Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror.
 
You pray in your distress and in your need; would that you might 
also pray in the fullness of your joy and in your days of abundance.
 
Tenderness and kindness are not signs of weakness and despair, but 
manifestations of strength and resolution.
 
The lights of stars that were extinguished ages ago still reaches 
us. So it is with great men who died centuries ago, but still reach us 
with the radiations of their personalities.
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster 
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:47:14 -0400 (EDT) 
From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Elementals 
Message-ID: <970630214703_1756835642ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com> 
 
 Pan by any name is dark trying to pass himself off as light.  Laughter and 
song and dance and no responsibility for the actions of himself or compassion 
for his followers.  Another demi-god Luicfer. 
 LLLL 
   TPP40 
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:49:48 -0300 
From: Newton <newtonATnospamnetpar.com.br> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: (no subject) 
Message-ID: <33B8704C.5E52ATnospamnetpar.com.br> 
 
 
unsubscribe 
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:33:13 -0700 (PDT) 
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
To: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Love + compassion 
Message-ID: <19970701033313.21931.rocketmailATnospamsend1.rocketmail.com> 
 
---"S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> wrote: 
Later on i experimented with compassion. Compassion brought in more  
> balance of mind (samta), there was only satisfaction of doing some 
of  
> Gods work.  
> 	Also love fills the mind body without emptying deeper karmas.  
> 	Compassion empties the mind bringing one nearer the truth.  
> 		ram
 
did you meditate on the word compassion or did you visualize acts of 
compassion. same with love. . . was it the word or the acts?
 
what if love is just a feeling?
 
what if compassion is just an action?
 
or what if i got the two confused and is it love is an action and 
compassion is a feeling?
 
what if emptying the mind is a denial of my humanity? so why did i 
choose to incarnate if to empty my mind is to experience the truth?  
what is the truth anyway? does it really matter? will it make me a 
better person. . .help me balance my checkbook. . .make me more 
responsible and accountable. . . bring the presence of god even closer 
in my life?
 
why would i want to leave 'here'. . .whether in my body or in my mind. 
. . to get 'there' when i first chose to come 'here'?
 
what is the glory in my humanity?  where is the 'juiciness' in life?
 
what is mind balance? what can i expect in real time, real life, when 
my mind is balanced?
 
what about karmas?  i must have deeper karmas that i don't want to 
exterminate on the good side of the balance sheet?
 
i know this may look like a machine gun approach, but questions, have 
i  
always got questions!
 
always questioning cause bliss abounds when i have questions.
 
in gratitude, 
susan
 
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:03:03 -0700 (PDT) 
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: reiki symobls redux 
Message-ID: <19970701040303.24571.rocketmailATnospamsend1.rocketmail.com> 
 
dear k friends,
 
please accept my apologies for screwing up the addresses i had put in 
my post about the symbols.  i am html challenged and a mediocre typist.
 
where i got my 'surrogate attunement'. . . 
 
     http://www.crl.com/~davidh/reiki/symbols.htm    
 
where i found actual symbols posted. . .
 
     http://members.aol.com/reikiteach/index.html
 
for reikiteach please be advised that the web/reiki master has a HUGE 
agenda and attitude around the symbols.  for those of you who are more 
sensitive it feels like an energetic 'punch to the gut' in my 
experience.
 
thank you for your patience.
 
how i found it, if i have still not done it right, was use the lycos 
search engine and typed in reiki.symbols    both entries were in the 
first ten listings.
 
blessings,
 
susan 
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:20:23 -0700 (PDT) 
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: see love and you will see god as well 
Message-ID: <19970701042023.26050.rocketmailATnospamsend1.rocketmail.com> 
 
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an article submitted for your consideration.
 
love, 
susan
 
 See Love and You Will See God as Well
 
 When I first heard how angry and disillusioned Elizabeth Kubler-Ross 
has become in old age and illness, I burst out laughing.  Not because 
I dislike the woman who taught America how to die´ or because I´m 
glad that someone who´s brought much comfort to others is miserable.  
I was laughing at God.
 
 Or with God.  Or because of God.  I´m not certain which.  Or if there 
even is a which.  With God, you never know.  I Am Who Am´ is about as 
pinned down as God gets.
 
 The author of On Death and Dying, Kubler-Ross is now so painfully 
angry that she´s resorted to one of the oldest, most poignant human 
defenses:  She s  rejected her own worth and God with it.  In an 
interview, the 71-year-old psychiatrist said her life´s work has been 
for naught. Further: My only regret is that for 40 years I spoke of a 
good God who helps people, who know what you need, and how all you 
have to do is ask for it.  Well, that´s baloney.´
 
 How about that?  Elizabeth Kubler-Ross devised an internationally 
acclaimed model for dying.  She was key to the creation of the hospice 
movement in the United States.  And now she sits, physically confined, 
smoking cigarettes, watching TV and complaining bitterly that all she 
believed in has let her down.
 
 Of all people.  The woman whose name is synonymous with the five 
stages of dying´ is doing hard time in Stage Two: anger. 
 
 Human beings in general and Americans especially insist on turning 
our guides and gurus into gods.  In the face of life´s eternal chaos, 
we eagerly embrace those among us who offer labels, formulas or how-to 
programs that might help us impose order.  Our error is in trying to 
make the order last; we treat the labels, formulas, programs as ends 
in themselves.
 
 Lots of us, apparently Kubler-Ross included, cast God in the same 
formulaic image.  Frightened by the chaos of  I Am Who Am, we try to 
impose order on God-all the while mouthing clichés about God´s 
infinite wisdom, mystery and unknowability.
 
 Kubler-Ross is blessed to be done with a a good God who helps 
people, who knows what you need, and how all you have to do is ask for 
it.´  It could be the first step toward liberation, her best hope for 
some halfway satisfying dying.
 
 If God worked as Kubler-Ross once believed-the way many people of 
many faiths and sects believe-God would be one mean, petty, compulsive 
boor.
 
 I´m giving leukemia to six babies in Iowa today, taking out 10,000 
folks in Bangladesh in a typhoon and raising the rate of cancer in 
Australia 11 percent. Meanwhile, because they asked so nicely,  I´m 
dissolving a tumor in the brain of a woman in London, rerouting an 8.3 
earthquake away from the Azores and letting the contestant from Sweden 
win Miss  Universe.´
 
 Good? Infinite?  Sounds more like The Bean Counter From Hell.
 
 So, how does God work?  I don´t know . The longer I live and the more 
attention I pay to God, the less specific God gets.  Thinly comforted 
myself by  I Am Who Am,  I keep coming back to the only idea that 
makes sense.  Not God as Father, Mother, Avenger, Supreme Air Traffic 
Controller, or Bean Counter, but God as Love.  The kind 
of love Paul described in detail in Chapter 13 of his first letter to 
the Corinthians:  See love, see God.  Feel love, feel God.  Love, do 
God´s work.´
 
 From everything Kubler-Ross says, it sounds as if she isn´t exactly 
fat with love these days.  That may be because-like many depressed, 
angry, disappointed and hurting people-she´s isolated herself from 
love.
 
 But my guess is, thanks to her very public outburst, and awful lot of 
people who are grateful for Kubler-Ross´ decade of work will tell her 
so.  If she lets them, maybe they can help her have the last laugh.  I 
Am Who Am will join in.
 
 . . .Stephanie Salter, San Francisco Examiner
 
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:09:32 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Elementals 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970630210932.30e76872ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
 
  Fear and warnings, judement and error... surely you can offer better than 
this knee-jerk christian repression?  
  No? Poor you... you have my compassion. 
  Pan predates Lucifer in mythology by millennia. Making Lucifer look like 
Pan was a political move on the part of Convert-hungry Christain 
missionaries.  
  I have never met Lucifer, but I have met Pan, Blessed Be! }:)> 
   
   Those who are suffering need compassion, those who would do harm need 
awareness of responsibility.. in the Dance of the Horned God, there is 
niether Suffering nor Harm, only Love and Pleasure, ecstatic unity.   
  By the negativity of your statements, I get that you are suffering... 
this suffering might be self induced by the negative judgemental attitudes 
you spread about that which you know naught. If you accuse Light of 
masquerading as dark, where can you find peace?  
 Laughing, Singing, Dancing all the Way Home....Angelique.
 
At 21:47 30/06/97 -0400, TPp40ATnospamaol.com wrote: 
> Pan by any name is dark trying to pass himself off as light.  Laughter and 
>song and dance and no responsibility for the actions of himself or compassion 
>for his followers.  Another demi-god Luicfer. 
> LLLL 
>   TPP40 
> 
> 
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:54:30 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Path to Here 
Message-ID: <33B87F76.F57ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
 
Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:
 
> Both the paths lead to the same conslucions, same knowledge..... 
> 
 
Come to think of it.
 
Follow any path long enough.
 
Same Knowledge.
 
 
On the path to Here, 
David 
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 00:26:36 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: A lot of ?s 
Message-ID: <33B886FC.7E17ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
 
susan carlson wrote:
 
> what if love is just a feeling?
 
What if Love could take the form of a feeling?
 
What if Love could take the form of a hat?
 
> what if compassion is just an action?
 
What if Everything is action?
 
> or what if i got the two confused and is it love is an action and 
> compassion is a feeling?
 
What if it's All the same to Me?
 
> what if emptying the mind is a denial of my humanity? 
 
What if it is acceptance of My Divinity?
 
> so why did i 
> choose to incarnate if to empty my mind is to experience the truth?
 
Why did I choose to experience illusion?
 
> what is the truth anyway? 
 
Your on Your Own Here.
 
> does it really matter?
 
Trick question.
 
> will it make me a 
> better person. 
 
Will it make you a better God?
 
. .help me balance my checkbook.
 
Does anything beat a calculator?
 
>. .make me more 
> responsible and accountable. . . bring the presence of god even closer 
> in my life?
 
What if everything is an incarnation of God and
 
it's not possible to get any closer? 
 
 
> why would i want to leave 'here'. . .whether in my body or in my mind. 
> . . to get 'there' when i first chose to come 'here'?
 
What if Here is all there is?
 
> what is the glory in my humanity?  where is the 'juiciness' in life?
 
Fruit juice? 
 
> what is mind balance? what can i expect in real time,
 
Real time.
 
Contradiction in terms?
 
> real life, when 
> my mind is balanced?
 
Does a balanced mind cancell itself out? 
 
> what about karmas?  i must have deeper karmas that i don't want to 
> exterminate on the good side of the balance sheet?
 
What if the line between good and bad is an illusion?
 
And everything just Is?
 
> i know this may look like a machine gun approach, but questions, have 
> i 
> always got questions!
 
What if there is only one real question? 
 
 
> always questioning cause bliss abounds when i have questions. 
 
What are questions?
 
> in gratitude,
 
Best place to Be. 
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 02:01:28 -0400 
From: Virginia Whitty <whittyATnospammccc.edu> 
To: GothicRainATnospamGeocities.com 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: what is kundalini? 
Message-ID: <33B89D38.2397ATnospammccc.edu> 
 
 
Dear gothic rain	 
 I am new to the internet, but I am not new to kundalini.  In very 
simple terms kundalini is the life force energy and it keeps one alive.  
Often it is dormant, thus the stories of rising and activating the 
energy.  There are many ways of rising kundalini and it is not 
difficult, the difficultly is the maintaining of it.  There are 
different ways this can happen.  I will say I am most familiar with the 
kundalini yoga.  I do teach it. There is information on the internet 
about kundalini  that I do not agree with.  I do recommend a good 
instructor.  For brief  introduction you may check out the web site: 
www.connecti.com/~marcus/kunda.html.  There is a international 
kundalini  yoga directory you can choose an instructor near you and call 
and ask questions.   
God Bless Siri Kaur (whitty) 
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 02:22:53 -0400 
From: Virginia Whitty <whittyATnospammccc.edu> 
To: carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: questions 
Message-ID: <33B8A23D.16F2ATnospammccc.edu> 
 
 
Dear Susan, 
 I am also one of those thinkers.  The mind releases 1000 thoughts per 
blink of the eye, and some of those thoughts become feelings, desires, 
emotions.  It is very normal but we also have the answer to our own 
questions within us.  To stablize the mind, the easiest thing to do is 
control your breathing.  Four breaths (deep), or eight breaths per 
minute through the nose should do the trick. (11 minutes to 62 
minutes.)  Whenever one controls their breath they also control their 
mind.  The mind is meant to serve you not for you to be ruled be it.   
Blessings SiriKaur (whitty) 
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 01:22:34 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Are you on the K. list? 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970701012234.3fcfe9a0ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
 
  Hello, All: 
  I have a clue to some of the K.list computer's recent "insane" behavior: 
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  Nasty, eh? 
 
  At least, I think that's what's going on...
 
  So if you are recieving this post and you are not subscribed to K.list, 
please let me know so we can track this stuff. I cannot unsubscribe you, as 
I have not yet discovered which ATnospamUSA.NET K.List subscriber is the 
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  If you have posted recently and gotten back one of these: 
  
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> 
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> 
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  Don't worry, it is addressed to the list and not you personally, and I am 
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:04:49 +0500 (GMT+0500) 
From: "S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
To: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Love + compassion 
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970701143513.3407A-100000ATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
 
 On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, susan carlson wrote:
 
>  
> ---"S.R.Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> wrote: 
> Later on i experimented with compassion. Compassion brought in more  
> > balance of mind (samta), there was only satisfaction of doing some 
> of  
> > Gods work.  
> > 	Also love fills the mind body without emptying deeper karmas.  
> > 	Compassion empties the mind bringing one nearer the truth.  
> > 		ram 
>  
>  
> did you meditate on the word compassion or did you visualize acts of 
> compassion. same with love. . . was it the word or the acts? 
 meditation method was ....just being a seer. Let the thoughts and energy  
movements of k-energy come. I just watched them with my mind (third eye) 
Only after my mind was sufficiently emptied the knowledge from nowhere(I  
call this Buddhic plane) started penetrating in. Also compassion rose not  
by delibrate thought but by choice of someone up high . 
  
what if love is just a feeling? > > what if compassion is just an action? 
Love was self introduced as a feeling , compassion rose and provided very  
fast action automattically. 
 > or what if i got the two confused and is it  
love is an action and > compassion is a feeling? 
>  
> what if emptying the mind is a denial of my humanity? so why did i 
> choose to incarnate if to empty my mind is to experience the truth? 
 
When one empties the mind ... the new mind comes in with right knowledge  
for your upliftment or higher evolution at whatever stage you are. 
> what is  
the truth anyway? does it really matter? will it make  
me a > better person. . .help me balance my checkbook. . .make me more 
> responsible and accountable. . . bring the presence of god even closer 
> in my life? 
No, it will make no difference (almost).If the time is not right you will  
not understand what i am trying to convey. You see we are hardly anything  
in this universe.>  
> why would i want to leave 'here'. . .whether in my body or in my mind. 
> . . to get 'there' when i first chose to come 'here'? 
> All of us are here for going there. 
> what is the glory in my humanity?  where is the 'juiciness' in life? 
> Sorry to disappoint you , but the fact is "i" truely does not exist.  
Neither  ram nor susan , they are just mirages. Your "i" wants this  
juiciness. 
> what is mind balance? what can i expect in real time, real life, when 
> my mind is balanced? 
>  
Till you think you are "i" you will rise...change for better if one is  
balanced. Emptying the mind brings in knowledge which keeps on balanced  
here in this world and there in other world. >  
> what about karmas?  i must have deeper karmas that i don't want to 
> exterminate on the good side of the balance sheet? 
> Cause and effect... one has to go thro' deeper karmas , unless some  
higher power merges you in Him and takes your karmas like Christ did.
 
> i know this may look like a machine gun approach, but questions, have 
> i  
> always got questions! 
>  
> always questioning cause bliss abounds when i have questions. 
>  
> in gratitude, 
> susan 
>  
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