1997/06/25 11:40
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #288
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 288
Today's Topics: Joy
Actions and Reactions part 2 Re: A Fish Story.(long)
Re: PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS (no subject)
Re: Hi from Rhavy Re: Ego
How enlightened is this? Cyber party
Re: Risposta: the LAKE !!! Re: Risposta: Ego
Ego and Fish Story and Love Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #286
Question Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:43:29
From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hi Kundalites,
He was crying when he was born.
He was crying when he died. There was no single day that
He has not shed a tear or two.
I found joy when rocking in my mum's arms. And when resting my head on my girl's lap.
Forgetting myself was really joy. Greatest joy of all was giving up Selfishness.
- A rough translation by SHADOW
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:45:05 From: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Actions and Reactions part 2
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Hi Kundalites,
It is a horrible story. I'll cut it short.
A Priest and a lady with her baby were stuck in a haunted house. The demons will not let them go unless they see the priest commit a sin. The priest
has to either drink a bottle of Whisky or rape the lady or murder the baby. Well, the priest took the obvious choice. He drank the whisky. Got drunk.
Lost all senses. Raped the lady. The baby's constant crying really irritated him. And he murdered the baby.
Well, the morale of the story?
Beware, sometimes what we regard as a minor action might be just the front link to a disaster (remember the DOMINO EFFECT and AVALANCHE EFFECT from my
previous mail).
Regards, SHADOW.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:21:05 -0500 From: Max Prescott
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: A Fish Story.(long)
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Thank you Angelique for sharing this story. It is exactly what I needed
to hear. I have been going through a very similar experiece with abundance and happiness. A part of me was thinking that life will
always be like this because I have been living in lack for so long. I have been trying to change my thinking and live in faith, but it is easy
to slip back into old thinking patterns.
I will need to read this story more and how it affected you so that I can grasp it fully within myself. Thank you again.
Love and Light,
Colleayn Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:01:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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a great book is, "Walking a Sacred Path" (or, maybe "Walk a sacred path") by Lauren Artress, founder of the Labyrinth Network. In the book are
instructions for ordering the labyrinth seed kit. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:08:40 -0400
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Love is an infinite field of Awareness.
Unified and consistent.
The transparent ego serves Love best.
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:23:18 -0700 From: E Jason
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Rhavy Davidrajuh (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> Hi Kundalites,
> I have been lurking for several centuries before the K forum existed. It is > now my intention to reveal my mission to enlighten those in need of
> bafflement. I wish to share the various K experiences I have not had. The > various chakras have steadfastly remained closed - very luckily. No psychic
> powers of any description have manifested.
Well done Rhavy, Those of you with no manifestation of K but growth in qualities of the
KKK (Kinship, Kindness and Knowledge) are doing much better than the
shaktiput junkies and snake charmers (well done to those who are developing KKK too).
> So why am I here? > Why are any of us?
> Well as a friend of Lobsters I felt it my duty to expose his lack of > knowledge on Kundalini. We are both awaiting our Guru (Swami Harish) to
> become interested in religion so we can receive shaktiput. I will be happy > in the mean time to share with all those who know nothing.
My lack of knowledge could fill the LAKE! Our Beloved Swami in further
efforts to deny us Shaktiput will be attending the Wimbledon Tennis Championships tomorrow (Wednesday). The esoteric significance is beyond
my unfilled LAKE comprehension. Despite this as a devoted disciple I will be attending in order to better understand the nature of people
enjoying themselves.
Sayings of Swami Harish:
We have been here two hours (he has a watch) I am not religious.
Yeeaaahhhhh?? Its only money.
His efforts at genuine wisdom will obviously be worth waiting for. We
have every confidence in his abilities. May all kundalites one day find a Guru worth their while training . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:58:10 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D."
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Ego
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Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> > It does seem to me that a lot of folks get into trouble because they
> try to transcend their egos before they really have them. Holly
Exactly right, before you can let it go it has to be stong enough to have developed the ability to create, then it is time let it go. Gloria
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:55:36 -0700 From: E Jason
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: How enlightened is this?
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The following from the Genuis-L forum by Tim Williams may be of use . .
.Lobster
Subject: Enlightenment test
The following is a test of your level of enlightnment. Score one point for each correct answer, subtract one point for each wrong answer. Add
your total number of right answers to the total number of wrong answers,
divide by the total number of questions on the test, then wonder why you've tried
to follow it this far.
Select the answer which best completes the following statements:
1. Yin and .........
A) Yout B) Tonic
C) Yenta D) Yang
2. A Zen koan is ........
A) Jewish Buddist B) All of the above
C) None of the above D) None of the above
3. Just before total God-realization I would see.......
A) A blue pearl B) Nothing
C) Everything D) How would I know?
4. Lao-Tsu is.......
A) Shrimp with fried rice B) The Atman Brothers
C) A Japanese word for sneeze D) One of the above
5) Jivatman and Atman merge to become.......
A) Jivatmanatman B) The Atman Brothers
C) Jivatman & Atman Inc. D) Mr & Mrs Atman
6) The word or words which best describes the relationship of God,
Guru, and Self is.
A) Oneness B) Twoness
C) Penpalness D) Just good friends
7) Which of the following is not a name of the Lord?
A) Jehova B) Elohim
C) Yahweh D) Charlton Heston
8) If you swap a Swami with a Yogi you get.......
A) A Swogi B) A Salami
C) Yogurt D) Heartburn
9) Carlos Castaneda is:
A) a flamingo dancer B) A resort near San Juan
C) The 2nd baseman for the LA Dodgers D) The guitarist for Santana
10) Om Mani Padme means:
A) O manny, pardon my home B) Money talks, nobody walks in
C) It u cn rd ths msg u cn Gt a gd jb D) Sanskrit for, Never having to say you're Sorry
11) The sound of one hand clapping is:
A) Very quiet B) similar to smiling with one lip
C) A Zen record shop D) Like the "p" in swimming
12) Linguine is to fettucine as kundalini is to :
A) Eenie meenie B) Halloweenie
C) Harry Houdini D) Pepto Bismol (this is a silly answer)
13) The Tao Te Ching is:>
A) The new premier of China B) A new record by Cheech and Chong
C) I Ching's older brother D) A massage parlor in Tokyo
14) You arrive at a party and your host says, "Far out, I want to take
the responsibility for creating space in your universe so you can
experience your experience." He means:
A) "Have a good time"
B) "Don't eat the Sweedish meatballs" C) "I just completed est training"
D) Nothing anyone would understand
15) If three devotees can meditate for a total of nine hours, how many devotes would it take to mow the lawn?
16) If three devotees can mow the lawn in one hour, how many stoned
devotees would it take to meditate until nobody cared?
17) If shakti was rising toward the fourth chakra at a rate of 3.5
pranayamas per second, and at the same time an energy force was traveling in
the opposite direction at a rate of 4.8 pranayams per second, what time would
it be in Chicago if we woke up in Los Angles?
True-False
_______Ramakrishna is a cereal made with rice and maple flavoring.
_______Satori is better than nirvana and samadhi except on weekends and
holidays.
_______Sufi dancing is like square dancing only rounder.
_______The Tibetan Book of the Dead is a novel by Harold Robbins.
Score
0-5 points: You are hopelessly attached to the wheel of life and death. Try again next incarnation!
6-10 points You are largely unconscious and stuck in worldly
pleasures
10-15 points You are so-so on the enlightment scale. Keep reading the New
Sun.
15-20 points You are a very conscious being; with a little good karma you
could go a long way.
20-25 points You are very close to God-realization--early December, at the
latest. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:48:37 -0700
From: E Jason To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Rhavy Davidrajuh (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> SARASWATHY, the goddess of WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE and BEAUTY. The existence of
> someone who knows the WHOLE TRUTH is a good enough reason to celebrate. > Let's party….
> > Forever I shall worship her, the LOTUS and the LAKE.
Hooray!
Cyber party in Honour of the Goddess of Wisdom: Deflate your ego ballons. Dance till shakti is aroused.
Ambrosia and Nectar served till the end of Time. The Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth
So Help us God. HARE, HARE.
Free Lobster
Date: 25 Jun 97 12:38:14 From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT
To: "Rhavy Davidrajuh" Cc: kundalini-l
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---SHADOW wrote -----------
>Hi Ashanka,
> >I think it is time they start treating people as mature adults and stop
>frightening them with horror stories such as heven, hell, karma and so on. >There is no punishment. Sin is moral vandalism like drilling a hole in a
>boat you are travelling in. It is not just the others who are at risk. When >the boat sinks it will take evrybody with it including yourself.
>I know, it would be nice if people have to pay for their crimes. But in >reality it does not happen. I do not beleive in Karma.....
> >Regards,
>SHADOW
Well it is time that as mature adults we begin to realise that we would have to
ultimately work out our karmas. We are always working out our karmas. The K - yoga is the fastest known route to work out the karmas. The other ones
being the path of devotion, the path of desireless work and the path of knowledge.
Mature adults face anything they have to without getting frightened (;-))>.
I am sure no one would be able to do a bit of crime without feeling bad of
guilty about it. That is our karma and isn an dthat is what we would have to work out.
This human body, mind and intellect are tools to work out the karma. The earlier
we acknowledge this and start the better for us....
Cheers and love to all Ashanka
Date: 25 Jun 97 12:46:17 From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT
To: Sunil R Peswani Cc: kundalini-l
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---Sunil wrote---
>Ego never dies . It is Ego that transceds towards higher evolution. The >greater the Ego greater will the evolution benefit and greater will be
>the rewards for the soul carrying it. Birth by birth this soul of greater >ego will be rewarded with Kingdoms Riches etc till the soul purifies the
>Ego towards Unity. > ram
What you mentioned is an age old dialogue obout the nature of the soul and ego. We are getting into the same one. One school of thought says that the
ego expands or contracts according to the actions and purity. The advait (non-dualist) school states that the soul is without any characteristics and
merely exists, and one cannot attribute any "size" to it. It is only perceived big or small depending on our imperfections.
We can go on and on with this and quote unending text....
The basic principle is to transcend our "human" limitations and comprehend the
infinite. This needs body tuning and ofcourse opening up of the "chakras" through
K-yoga. Any path of meditation would lead us to this goal.
Once the goal is reached....well.....who knows....answers and directions could fall from "heaven" !
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:45:56 -0400
From: phillialATnospamucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu (Anita Phillips) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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YES, I was thinking the same thing that Holly wrote! (And I adore the fish
story!)
As I watched the bouncing ego-ball dialogue, I kept saying to myself, "But I remember a time when I had no ego, no self--when I was a negative number
on the ego scale." And I remember that I had to GET an ego and later contend with it while embracing/engaging "the world." In other words, I
had to have some ego strength and had to traverse the terrain of that ego many times and know its limitations before being able to consider stepping
outside of its periphery and relinquishing that paradigm for being. I would say that I still have some of all this ego-continuum currently in me.
Sometimes the "minus ten" in me emerges; sometimes the ego-self-fish is out there butting against the plexiglass-of-the-moment; and sometimes whatever
is me IS everyone and everything and good things happen! I like rams' notion of Love being mathematical justice, but I don't feel that loving in
a "specific" sense diminishes love in the "general" sense--or any other "specific" case. For me at this particular space/time, loving is a
synergistic-growing-metastacizing Energy-Fabric which is woven for-me/by-me/through-me/around-me. (My "gut" says that this is just of
"taste" of more to come; my "gut" also says that I need to keep one foot on the ground for ballast! This is just what I KNOW I have to do; it's not
particularly advice for anyone! It's my way of being "kind to the fish!")
Thanks--Holly, Angelique, ram, et al.
Anita P., *:)
Holly wrote:
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:01:40 -0500 (CDT)
>From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.) >To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: re: Ego >Message-Id:
> >It does seem to me that a lot of folks get into trouble because they
>try to transcend their egos before they really have them. Holly Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:51:49 -0500
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kundalini-l-d-requestATnospamexecpc.com wrote: >
> Subject: >
> kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 286 >
> Today's Topics: > Real-time Access To Intuition
> some additional thoughts on labyrinths. > Suspicion
> Beauty > Think.
> Hi from Rhavy > Counting the Sheep ...
> the LAKE !!! > The LAKE !!!!
> Re: The key to the unified field. > Re: REIKI
> Re: Reiki class (was Re: planetary healing and consciousness) > Love
> K-energy > Risposta: the LAKE !!!
> Re: Love > Lake
> Re: Love > Risposta: Love
> Ego >
> --------------------------------------------------------------- >
> Subject: Real-time Access To Intuition > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:16:02
> From: Mystress Angelique Serpent > To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kwrightATnospammaui.net
> > Hiya:
> I was digging in my huge archives for Kurt's kinesiology testing > excercise, and I found this post from him instead: How to frame questions
> for yourself in a way so that they engage your creative intuition. > I have a lot of respect for Kurt, I 'met' him online when he was sharing
> wisdom with the Celestine Prophecy list. > Speaking of that list, O Bookish Kundalites, I am no longer subscribed,
> but I support that list as Mystress Cybrarian. The Cybrary.txt is an email > attachment that contains a long list of books, websites and a few films,
> videos reviewed and recommended inspiriational by the members of the TCP > list. My duty is to send it to anyone who sends me an email with the words
> "Celestine Cybrary" in the subject header. > I mention this for two reasons: First, if you want a copy, follow those
> instructions. > Second, the creation of a similar document by K.list would be a valuable
> thing. > I do not have the time to assemble such a project myself, I am still way
> behind on updating the K. websites...tho I would be happy to forward it to > any who request, and to all new members once it has been manifested by
> another. > So, I guess I am looking for a Volunteer(s) who would be willing to
> recieve mail with reviews of everybody's fave K. inspiring or informative > books, music, videos, websites.... and then edit them into an organized
> text file. > A library of Kundalini stuff. There is the Website booklists to begin
> with. They were gathered a year ago, when The site was first put up by > Richard Satin.
> Call it the K. list First Anniversary Project. >
> Anyway, Here's Kurt.... Blessings, Mystress. >
> >Return-Path: > >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:11:14 +0000
> >From: Kurt Wright > >Reply-To: kwrightATnospammaui.net
> >Organization: Clear Purpose Management, Inc. > >To: Celestine List
> >Subject: Real-time Access To Intuition > >
> >All of these wonderful posts about getting great intuitive insights in > >the shower and while we sleep prompts me to point out that there is a
> >way to get that kind of help from our intuition on stream all of the > >time.
> > > >The trick is to continually practice the skill of putting our feelings
> >into words, particularly in response to what I call "Value-Finding" > >questions, such as those shown on the attached piece. Quite simply, the
> >more time we spend practicing this way of asking and responding to > >questions, the more immediate and direct access we gain to the immense
> >contribution that is available from our intuition. > >--
> >Blessings and aloha from Maui, Hawaii > >
> >Kurt Wright > >
> >PS: Most of us have much work to do before we emerge from the vast > >illusions of the third dimension into full awareness of the state of
> >unconditional love. > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854";
> x-mac-creator="4D535744"; name="Guidelines For Right Questions" > >
> >Content-Description: Word 6.0.1 Document > >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Guidelines For Right Questions"
> > > >Guidelines For Using Right Questions To Find Value In The Past & Present
> > > >As a guiding principle, right questions are those which allow the other
> person to feel valued while finding new value hidden in their innermost > feelings. In addition, the intuitive processing of right questions
> generates the creative energy needed to put ourselves and others "in the > zone," or "on a roll." Learning to ask value-finding questions thus becomes
> the most practical way to begin implementing Clear Purpose Management. > There is a huge payoff when we begin to practice asking value-finding
> questions of others around us, and invite others to do the same for us. > And, the more skill we develop in asking value-finding questions of others,
> the more we build the habit of asking value-finding questions of ourselves. > >
> >While building these new habits of asking value-finding questions, we also > benefit by accumulating the experience necessary to make effective use of
> our intuitive capabilities on a long-term basis, as well as being prepared > to participate in the vision building process. To initiate this process,
> keep in mind the above guiding principle of asking value-finding questions > and begin exploring the benefits of asking questions of others from the
> samples listed below. > >
> >1. What was the best thing that happened to you today? (After their > response) What did you appreciate most about that? (Be ready to explain
> openly and honestly why you are asking.) > >2. What was the highlight of your _______ (day, week, trip, etc.)?
> >3. What is the principal value you are getting from this discussion? > >4. What two things did you like best or appreciate most about ______?
> >5. What was the best, most meaningful or useful part of your meeting, etc? > >6. What would you do more of or less of another time?
> >7. What feelings are you having right now about the decision or project > you are considering?
> >8. With what aspects of it are you feeling most comfortable? Least > comfortable?
> >9. What is the message or insight for you in these feelings? > >10. What would it take for you to feel more comfortable?
> >11. What are your uncomfortable feelings telling you? Can you see any > unique patterns in these uncomfortable feelings?
> >12. In what ways could I be most helpful to you right now? > >13. Talk to me about what you are feeling or thinking right now.
> >14. What are you learning from listening to your feelings right now? > >15. What other question could I ask that might be helpful?
> > > >Remember! . . . . A right question is one for which there is no wrong answer!
> > > >
> > HI Morgana,
> I did the Reiki 1 course over the weekend. It was great. The teacher is an Argentinian lady, and she is excellent. > She said something about the symbols, that they start losing their power if they are divulged when the students are not up to that level yet...
> .... I dont know about the symbols because she said that is Reiki 2. I > will take it in about 6 months.
> I have the book Reiki Esencial, in Spanish by Diane Stein, and I started > reading it yesterday, after the course...I'm at the beginning and it is
> wonderful.. my teacher is a traditional teacher and sees that book as > something not so good, in the sense that one should have time in between
> the levels..to assimilate the materials and practice it, and that Diane > Stein just dumps everything there...
> What do you think? > Love and light,
> Lissette >
LISSETTE: I am a Reiki Master Teacher and unlike many teahers i give the student a
symbol with the first initiation. However, I only place one symbol in the aura. So I add the symbol to your intuition AND conscious mind. For
the students I have worked with it seems easier on their clearing and cleansing. Then with Level II I give two more symbols.
Reiki has no limitations as far as I am concerned. I had a class at the Adult Education this past week and one of my students was Chi Chung
Master. He seemed to need all kinds of conscious mental support. He said he took the class for 5 years and had to learn all the pressure points
for accupressure/accupuncture. And he directs the energy specifically toan area. With Reiki.. you accept that Reiki will go where it is
needed and it flows as asked. smile. I don't think the symbols lose their power in any way shape or form. I
have never experienced that. Diane Steins book has some very valuable information. I have been told some of her symbols are incorrect and are
being used in the wrong way. Her Master symbol is one we use for blasting thru the pain and takiing
it away. You can do Reiki laying on of hands by just praying. See Hands Of Light
by Barbara Brennen's book. However the Reiki Attuenment and initiation make it much easier to trigger your mind to channel the divine force
thru you to an person, plant or animal.. Yep.. use it on all of them.. It works.
I can give Reiki Over the internet.. Love and Light,
flute aka
Carolyn Maloney Reiki Master Teacher
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:06:01 -0600 From: "Marco Antonio Galván J"
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Can you help me to ground energy ? I am very dizzy, and unable to think clearly.
Love
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