1997/06/12 22:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #272
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 272
Today's Topics:
What about the women?
Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Re: Silence
<<<<<Questions
Re: Free at last
vivartta....again
Re: Tumo fire = g tum-mo ritual?
Re: Sweeping the World
Re: help with a definition .....
Re: help with a definition .....
Re: help with a definition .....
Thanks!
[Fwd: GENIUS-L]
Re: The LAKE !!!!
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:13:59 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: What about the women?
Message-ID: <33A02047.371DATnospamdial.pipex.com>
"Human beings need each other for their continued existence, both as
individuals and as a species; moreover, without continued existence,
they
cannot attain Perfection; whereby it follows that they need each other
precisely in order to attain perfection. Thus, the perfection, the
completion of each individual, depends on other individuals of the
species; and thus man must have intercourse and association with the
sons
of men, based on mutual assistance. Without this, he will stray from
the
way of justice and fall into inequity."
>From Jami..
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:45:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Samadhi/Vivekananda
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970612083115.4515B-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, David Bozzi wrote:
> CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> > This has always been a stumbling point for me, does bliss exsist in this
> > mindless state, also if no thought exsists, is one concious of being in this
> > state?
>
>
> One is aware of Consciousness.
>
> One is aware that One is Consciousness.
>
> Bliss is Consciousness.
>
>
>
> Peace to You
>
>
i am humbled by your answer....any feeble vain attempt by me to an answer
to that post would be would be crude by any standard...
the quality of the abstractness of your writing is superb....are you
published?
dennis
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:03:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Silence
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970612084811.4515C-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
for some reason i can't but help but thinking about an old song and a
swimming pool.. :) :) ..seriously though, i can appreciate and complement
your ability to communicate with such fluidity of thought....excellent.
'Silence my old friend...'
thanks for the "Silence" post....
dennis
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, David Bozzi wrote:
> I get real quiet.
>
> And listen.
>
> Until the silence is deafening.
>
>
> Silence is speaking.
>
> In her own tongue.
>
> To hear what she says.
>
> Listen carefully.
>
> To an enchanting rhythm.
>
>
> If you would hear.
>
> She'd tell you that she loves you.
>
>
> She's telling you right now.
>
>
> If you tune into her frequency.
>
> She'll lead you to the point.
>
> Between the past and the future.
>
> Where they cancel each other out.
>
>
> There is an intelligence.
>
> In the rhythm.
>
> Listen.
>
>
> To the sacred song of Silence.
>
>
> I'm looking out of my window.
>
>
> The world is on fire.
>
> Burning.
>
> And through the smoke.
>
> Coming into view.
>
> Are all the faces of me and you.
>
>
> Faces fuse into one spirit.
>
> Seven torches light the way.
>
> In the sound of Silence.
>
>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:26:40 -0700
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Frank Lane <lanefATnospamboris.msfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: <<<<<Questions
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Earlier I posted a copy of a few of the Aphorisms of Patanjali that
mentioned some Siddhas. They were close to the original (except some
bigtime spelling errors) and used the Sanskrit teminology. Anyone that
wants a rendition of the complete Yoga Sutras that are more 'readable'
to Western mind check out:
http://www.yoga.com/raw/yoga/info/sutras/SutrasBecksEnglishVersion.html
Even at that, I don't purport to understand/interpret them; I just
report them as I find them. BTW a good basic glossary of terms can be
found at:
http://www.rsl.ukans.edu/~pkanagar/divine/glossary.htm
___________________________
Just a comment here about Sanskrit (no I don't speak or understand it,
just passing on what I have read ;-):
You will find the same word 'spelled' in different ways. Actually
transliterated is a more accurate term; in the Devanagari script used
for spelling sanskrit there is very little variation.
There are too few letters in the Roman alphabet to cover the possible
consanantal varieties in Sanskrit. For example, there are two r's; one
is a vowel and one is a consonant. In the word karma the 'r' is a
consonant, in the word rg it is a vowel; hence you will see two
spellings in reference to the Rg Veda. The one I just typed and also Rig
Veda. The 'i' in Rig doesn't exist in Sanskrit, it is just plopped in to
'please' the Western eye and also gives an indication of the original
sound. So when scrounging around in 'dictionaries' for definitions keep
the 'variable r' principal in mind. The discussion of vivartta may be a
case of this; vrtti means a course of action and may be related to the
mystery word; which may actually be vivrtta?
The combos of consonants with an H cause a problem, too. They are used
to indicate an 'aspiration' that we don't think of as particularly
important except in speech rhythm. For example there are two distinct
consonants in Sanskrit which are transliterated into English as: p and
ph (not as in ele{ph}ant). We do say them differently in English; the
first is said like the 'p' we say when we pronounce upward, the other
when we pronounce pan. In 'upward' we stop the letter 'p' short and then
start to say the second syllable 'ward'. In 'pan' we say the letter 'p',
continue the sound by expelling breath and moving on without break into
the rest of the syllable 'an'. In effect we 'aspirate' an 'h' sound. We
don't think a lot of this, but in many languages (Sanskrit among them)
this constitutes a completely different sound and consequently, in
Devanagari, different 'letter'.
This causes the Westerner a problem; does one 'spell' the devanagari
symbols or does one 'spell' the sound? As a result you get two
'spellings' for the same word; i.e. cakra and chakra .... citti and
chitti. Despite the different 'spellings' the English pronunciation is
the same. Chakra is chakra whether it is spelled with or without the
'h'. Part of the problem has come from the use of minute diacritical
markings that you sometimes see over and under the letters when the 'h'
is absent from the spelling - these were and are used to indicate which
pronunciation was intended. However, these special type characters are
absent from most fonts and so when they are set up are skipped entirely.
To complicate matters more, there were two SH sounds recognized in
Sanskrit, which gives us an S, an S with a diacritical accent above
representing one of the SH sounds and an S with a diacritical dot below
representing the other SH sound. To add to the S-miseries, some early
transliteration schemes represented the first SH sound with the French
c-cedilla; i.e., ç. There is no sound in Sanskrit for our Z-sound.
Likewise, there is no sound in Sanskrit that conforms to the English TH
sound found in either 'the' or 'thin'. Hence, hathayoga is actually
pronounced as if it were spelled HAH-tuh-YOH-guh.
The lesson to be learned here is that foreign languages are a bear; and
Sanskrit is a big, ugly, grizzly, bear. If you don't find what you are
looking for, keep in mind that spelling is a wildly variable thing!
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 11:04:28 EST
From: palombibATnospamGVSU.EDU (BARBARA PALOMBI)
To: a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com
Subject: Re: Free at last
Message-Id: <9705128661.AA866138668ATnospamGVSU.EDU>
Thank you for printing this qu by Nelson Mandela. I (a psychologist)
was just talking to one of my clients about this quote. They were
struggling with having a sense of meaning in their and being of
importance. I have now copied the quote and will be mailing this to
her. Thanks so much.
______________________________ Reply Separator _
Subject: Free at last
Author: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com at Internet
Date: 6/12/97 2:56 AM
LIBERATION
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deep fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous,
talented and fabulous?"
Actually who are you not to be?
You are a child of God. Your playing small
doesn't serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that
other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were born to manifest the glory of God
that is within us.
It is not just in some of us; it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give
other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fears, our presence
automatically liberates others.
--Nelson Mandela
1994 Inaugural Speech (fragemnt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:32:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: vivartta....again
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970612132548.19061C-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
it was suggested that if i put the word in context it may assist someone to
clarify the meaning of the this word...
'the Tantra recognizes, and claims not to be in conflict with Veda'...
'it follows the mode of evolution of Jiva is concerned, as also an
Abhasa, in the nature of Vivartta...in the Pure Creation.'
thanks
dennis
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:48:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Tumo fire = g tum-mo ritual?
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970612134232.19061D-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
sorry such a delay in responding but just relocated the 'g tum-mo ritual'
phrase yesterday....are these the same?...been looking for some
references on the g tum-mo ritual for a while now...no success...
any assistance would be greatly appreciated...
thanks
dennis
On Sat, 31 May 1997 cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net wrote:
> Tumo or dumo fire is written about mostly in Tibetan Tantric Yoga practices,
> and in Tibetan Buddhist liturature. It is a Tan - tien chakra manifestation,
> that is roughly the chakra just in back of the navel. The tumo is activated
> through concentrating the K- force to express through that chakra, and the
> outer physical manifestation is physical heating or cooling of the auric field
> surrounding the person. There are stories of initiate monks who are tested in
> Tibet, by being stripped naked and sent out into the snow to meditate. They
> activate the tumo fire, and are known to melt the snows around them in a radius
> of 12 feet.For furthur information read about the life of the Great Tibetan
> yogi Jetsun Milarepa.
>
>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Quinn <dquinnATnospamturbo.KEAN.EDU>
To: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sweeping the World
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970612135942.19061E-100000ATnospamturbo.kean.edu>
i have a picture of him on my desk... a copy of the famous life mag
picture...him sitting and reading with the spinning wheel in the foreground
dennis
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Dan wrote:
> Have always admired Ghandi. He embodies what I feel MY saints should
> have. As a title, Mahatma = MAHA/great ATMA/soul was most apt.
> Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
> Dan-RF
>
>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:27:45 +0200
From: "H. Mensing" <hanmeyATnospampi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "jeremiah cunningham" <jeremiahATnospamouter.net>
Subject: Re: help with a definition .....
Message-Id: <199706121929.VAA20634ATnospammailhost.pi.net>
----------
> Van: jeremiah cunningham <jeremiahATnospamouter.net>
> Aan: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Onderwerp: help with a definition .....
> Datum: donderdag 12 juni 1997 7:48
>
> can some of you more erudite k-listers give me the meaning/definition of:
>
> gnothi seuton
>
> thanks,
> jeremiah
>
Hello Jeremiah,
Gnothi seauton is Greek for: Know thyself. This motto was inscribed on the
temple of Apollo (orig. the god of archery, prophecy, medecine. poetry and
music, later identified with Helios, the Sun-god ) in Delphi (Greece). The
line has been attributed to several Greek philosophers, a.o. Thales and
Chilo. In Latin it is known as: Nosce te ipsum.
Hanny
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: help with a definition .....
Message-ID: <970612164840_-60202166ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
"gnothi seauton" means: "KNOW THESELF."
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeeAnkhATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: help with a definition .....
Message-ID: <970612164930_-1731900421ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
woooops---Typo: KNOW THYSELF is what it means.
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:05:27 -0600
From: jeremiahATnospamouter.net (jeremiah cunningham)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Thanks!
Message-Id: <199706122254.RAA24172ATnospamsmtp.outer.net>
Thanks to all of you who sent definitions of "Gnothi seauton..."
jeremiah
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:35:28 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
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Subject: Re: The LAKE !!!!
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On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:47:29 +0100 "Rhavy Davidrajuh"
<rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk> writes:
>
> Doreen wrote to Lobster,
>
>> Lobster: would you please give me info on the Lake.
>> and crossing the lake......I have
>> had my awareness drawn to it so many times... however
>> I really do not understand the symbol. Help!
>
>Lobster wrote to Doreen,
>
>>Shadow is the LAKE Expert and I have passed this on to him
>>Hope that is OK
>
>Now Shadow writing to Doreen,
>
>Hi Doreen,
>
>I have seen the lake been mentioned on various communications. But
>they are
>NOT all referring to the same thing. Rather than just describing the
>lake,
>I am listing its activities that concern us. Some of them do sound
>silly. I
>will try my best to explain.
>
>1) The LAKE is a pool of souls, knowledge, emotions, feelings etc.
>etc…
>
>2) When we die, our souls (spirit, mind or whatever) return to the
>Lake.
>Where it mixes with others and from that mix, new lives will be born.
>(What
>this means is- after you die, you are very unlikely to reincarnate as
>one
>baby. But, you may find your presence in several babies. The good news
>is
>you will not be punished for your sins etc. There won't be any one you
>to
>receive the punishment.)
>
>3) What goes on when we are alive? We are actively connected to the
>SURFACE
>of the Lake via CHORDS. Which suggests that we are not individuals,
>but
>part of a huge system. Imagine the palm of your hand as the Lake and
>the
>fingers as people with their unique minds and having love, hate
>relationships between them. When one hurts another he/she is hurting
>the
>whole system, thus partially hurting himself.
>
>4) If you could develop a technique to dive deeper and deeper from the
>Surface, you will start loosing your SELF and finally you can become
>the
>Lake itself (i.e. the GOD). For now we can regard ourselves as part of
>the
>lake (or children of the God).
>
>If, I haven't managed to confuse you so far, then here are some
>answers to
>very frequently asked questions.
>
>QUESTION: Where is this Lake anyway?
>ANSWER: The Lake is anywhere, everywhere and nowhere. In one dimension
>the
>lake is around us, but it can be just a point of origin in another
>dimension.
>
>QUESTION: How can I avoid going back into lake?
> ANSWER: To avoid death, you've got to know when you are going to die.
>If
>you know the exact time, then you can take extreme precautions to
>avoid it.
>If you manage that then you can continue to live on until your next
>time
>slot arrives. Some people do manage to die before their allocated time
>slot
>(suicide etc.) or afterwards. This could leave their souls stranded
>until
>the next time slot (Ghosts etc.).
>
>Hope this explain the basic facts about the LAKE. Now you can call
>yourself
>a Kundalite Laker.
>
>Regards,
>Shadow.
> Thank you both Shadow and Lobster!!!!!
Actually, I have been wondering about this for a long time!
so.....this is really rich with meaning for me...
and...now I know why I do not wish to throw a pebble in the
lake and make it ripple.....ooooohhhhhh....this really helps
me to know that it is ok...to be.......
Thank you. I thank the universe for raising me right next
to a lake filled with hard water. I used to swim in it....
used to float and bend over...and dive to the bottom...
now.... ah ha!!! I get the metaphor!!!!!
Bless you.....bless you....bless you....
resistance....is not.....diving.....
and...thank you again!!!!!!!!!! ..........
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ahhhhhhhhhh!
come on in....bathers...the water is fine!!!!!!!!
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