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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #271


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 271

Today's Topics:
  <<<<<Everything you ever wanted to know about kundalini, siddhas, yoga, etc.
  OBE during sleep
  Re: SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder)
  Re: OBE during sleep
  Unidentified subject!
  Re: Unidentified subject!
  help with a definition .....
  Free at last
  Sweeping the World
  Re: Sweeping the World
  FW: A few questions about Kundalini....
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 02:15:29 -0700
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Everything you ever wanted to know about kundalini, siddhas, yoga, etc.
Message-ID: <339E6CB1.7E3AATnospamix.netcom.com>

(k)ites:
 Here follows an extract from the FAQ's of the Siddha Mahayoga group. I
don't know anything about them, just that I was searching for something
totally different and this popped up. The real value is that it gives a
lot of answers to some basic questions that many of us newbies have
(especially about those weird words that everyone banties about like a
secret code =-). It is a plug for the Siddha Mahayoga group, but
includes information (in the full file that I will send to anyone who
would like to read the whole thing) about all of the Siddha Yoga groups
including Swami Baba Muktananda's Siddha Yoga SYDA and Sahaja Yoga among
quite a few others.
 Having these things literally drop into my lap is really helpful since
I don't have the patience (longtime ADHD) or inclination to delve deeply
into any specific 'flavor' of spirituality - "Just give me the high
points and bottom line; the mantra of the Western world."
 Also note, that for those of us who have received 'shaktipat' from the
firmament, so to speak, the point of a guru seems moot. And for those of
us who have been spontaneously awakened and go through bouts of the
k-nasties/k-nutties we can take solace in the well-documented case
histories of exactly the same thing happening with and without the guru.
A sympathetic and more especially empathetic ear is of true solace and
those abound on this list (oh yeah, there are a couple of blithering,
toe-stomping, loudmouths like me, also, but we are easy to pick out and
avoid =-).
__________________
SIDDHA MAHAYOGA FAQ Copyright Kurt Keutzer, 1994 (keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com)
   It's more useful to think of kundalini energy as
   the very foundation of our consciousness so when kundalini moves
   through the sushumna and through our cakras our consciousness
   necessarily changes with it.
   
3. So does everyone agree that kundalini awakening is necessary for
enlightenment?

   This view is held in the diverse literature of Kashmir Shaivism and
in
   other Hindu Tantric literature. It is found in the literature of the
   Hatha Yogis and the Nath Sampradaya. You will find similar views in
   many Buddhist Tantric works. In addition this view is held by recent
   spiritual figures such as Shri Ramakrishna, Swami Sivananda,
   Paramahamsa Yogananda and Swami Vivekananda and of course by
   contemporary kundalini yogins themselves. Nevertheless there are some
   dissenters from this view. These include Sri Chinmoy, Da Free John
and
   Gurdjieff. Then there are many other spiritual practices, such as
Zen,
   Vipassana meditation that consider kundalini irrelevant.
   
4. So how do I awaken kundalini?

   ... there are two radically different direct approaches
   to awakening kundalini. One approach requires initiation by a guru
and
   relies upon a technique called shaktipat, or ``descent of shakti.''
   It is variously called: Siddha Yoga (Yoga of Adepts), Mahayoga (Great
Yoga) or
   [22]Sahaja Yoga (Spontaneous Yoga). The other approach uses
   intentional yogic techniques . The styles using intentional
techniques
   include Hatha Yoga, Laya Yoga and Kriya Yoga (... Kundalini Yogas).
   
5. What is shaktipat?

   ``Shakti'' is another word for kundalini and ``pat'' means to
descend.
   Shaktipat is a method by which an individual's kundalini is awakened
   by the direct intervention of a guru. There are several varieties of
   shaktipat depending on the facility of the guru and the receptiveness
   of the disciple.
   
   There are a variety of mechanisms for conveying shaktipat. These
   include: by glance, by word or mantra, by touch or simply by
   intention.
   
6. How does shaktipat work? If kundalini awakening is so important how
can
someone else do it for you? How could a guru overcome my karma?

   There is a rich literature exploring this point but a couple
analogies
   may help more. Ordinarily it takes a long time to create a fire by
   rubbing sticks together but if someone else already has a fire then
   that fire can be used to ignite another fire. Similarly to make a
   magnet naturally may require thousands of years but if one already
has
   a magnet then a metal can easily be magnetized using the magnet.
   
7. Who can give shaktipat?

   To continue the analogy, in theory ``anyone on fire'' can give
   shaktipat, i.e. anyone who's kundalini is already awakened. The more
   relevant question is: ``Who *should* give shaktipat?'' There are many
   opinions on this but at the very least the conveyer of shaktipat
   should be aware of the movements of shakti in his own body and in the
   body of the disciple. Giving shaktipat is a science and it is
helpful,
   if not essential, to be instructed in that science. The classical
   works of Abhinavagupta and the living oral tradition of contemporary
   masters, such as Swami Shivom Tirth, both indicate that improperly
   practiced shaktipat initiation can be dangerous both two the disciple
   to the guru and to the disciple. Using the analogy again, it is
easier
   to light a fire than to light it in such a way that it has a
carefully
   managed burning.
   
   Therefore, it is desirable that the guru be empowered to give
   shaktipat by his own guru and has been trained in an unbroken lineage
   back to a great master who was fully aware of the science of
   shaktipat. In this way some quality control is maintained.
   
8. Who can receive shaktipat?

   There are even more opinions on this. Some gurus take an attitude of:
   ``Initiate them all and let shakti sort them out.'' Traditionally
   teachers were quite selective about who received shaktipat. Sometimes
   shaktipat was only given to one or two disciples in a generation.
   Among gurus these days you can see these two extremes of opinion and
   many other gradations in between. What is clear that some people who
   have received shaktipat from well-known gurus have apparently only
   manifested greater neuroses and unhappiness in their lives as a
   result. See the question regarding kriyas below.
   
9. Are all shaktipat initiations the same?

   There are many ways of classifying shaktipat initiations but a method
   used by Swami Vishu Tirth is very simple and clear. In *shaktopaya*
   initiations the kundalini shakti of the disciple is awakened by the
   guru. In *shambhavopaya* initiations the kundalini shakti of the
   disciple is awakened and led up through the cakras brining a glimpse
   of the highest realization. Due to the current state of disciples,
and
   contemporary gurus, almost all initiations can be termed *shaktopaya*
   initiations.
   
10. Can one receive shaktipat just by being in the presence of those
with
awakened shakti?

   There is no doubt that shakti is contagious. The mere presence of a
   single being whose shakti is strongly active can awaken the shakti of
   those around him. Similarly being in the presence of many people
whose
   shakti is awakened to some degree can awaken one's shakti. Strictly
   speaking this is not the same as shaktipat initiation and
   
11. So what happens after shaktipat? What's the practice?

   In Siddha Mahayoga once the kundalini is awakened it is considered
   that the awakened kundalini, being itself an intelligent force, will
   direct the practice. All that is required is surrender to that force.
   Then spontaneous purifying movements, called *kriyas*, typically
   occur.
   
   Even to reach the point of simply surrendering to shakti takes some
   practice for people. Some aids in cultivating surrender are chanting
   and selfless service. These practices open the heart and make one
more
   susceptible to the influence of shakti.
   
12. What are kriyas?

   Kriyas, literally ``activities'', are spontaneous movements that
occur
   after kundalini awakening. The include body activities such as
   trembling, shaking and spontaneous yoga postures; speech activities
   such as yelling, or spontaneous chanting and mental activities such
as
   visions. These kriyas eliminate the blocks to kundalini rising within
   the sushumna. The kundalini removes the blocks to its ascent through
   kriyas.
   
13. How do kriyas purify one's consciousness?

   Blocks, known as *samskaras* or impressions, do not just obstruct
   kundalini, but they embody attachments, conceptions and other mental
   afflictions that limit the freedom of our consciousness. Left
   unattended these attachments lead to actions which only reinforce the
   attachment. For example if we have impressions of anger then we will
   manifest anger in our activities which only reinforce our
impressions.
   As kundalini rises it will purify the anger and as a result of the
   purification process the kriyas will occur. Speaking of kundalini as
   an intelligent force which manifests its intelligence in particular
   activities, such as spontaneous yoga postures, to purify the blocks
to
   its progress may sound a little mystical but there is a less mystical
   way of understanding what that means.
   
   In our common language there are many colloquial phrases which allude
   to the natural state of our body-mind as being ``straight'' or
   ``upright'' and the unnatural state being ``kinky'' or ``entangled.''
   We say positively: ``He's an upright individual.'' ``She's as
straight
   as an arrow.'' We say negagively: ``He's to kinky. He's all tangled
up
   in himself.'' ``She's tangled up in knots.'' There seems to be some
   subtle awareness of the value of straightness. So it seems to be a
   good metaphor to view our mind-body continuum as a garden hose and
the
   kundalini as water running through it. If you have a moderately
   tangled garden house a simple way of making it straight is to
increase
   the pressure of water through it. As you do so the hose will
naturally
   flip around to straighten itself. To an observer it might seem as
   though the hose itself were intelligent in the way it straightens
   itself and in fact because the motion of the hose is governed by
   physical laws it does reflect a deep intelligence.
   
   In the same way we don't need to think of the kundalini as an
   independent autonoumous force cogitating as to what asana,
   pranayama or verbal activity might purify a block inside us. It
   seems more useful to think of kundalini as a natural intelligent
force
   whose natural movement untangles the knots which limit its
expression.
   
   
   The garden hose analogy makes another point clear as well. Imagine
   what happens if the hose is very tangled. Turning up the water
   pressure may be a very dramatic and perhaps even counter-productive
   process. This seems to be what is happening in a number of cases
where
   individuals, after receiving shaktipat, may have severe mental
   breakdowns. Thus it does seem to be important for individuals to have
   a certain level of stability and preparation before receiving
   shaktipat initiation.
   
14. Are these kriyas some sort of self-hypnosis or some sort New Age
phenomenon?

   This yoga is at least 1000 years old and is documented in the
   Kularnava Tantra and in the works of the great Tantric scholar
   Abhinvagupta and particular forms of kriyas can be found there. Some
   popular yogis and scholars have doubted the authenticity of this path
   but none who have done so show any familiarity with the classical
   literature of this tradition. This approach has gone under many names
   such as siddha yoga, sahaja yoga, mahayoga or siddha mahayoga.
Similar
   phenomena to kriyas also occur among some Qi Gong students.
   Spontaneous trembling, shaking, verbal noises, and body movements are
   common there as well.
   
   Nevertheless gatherings of siddha mahayoga practicioners share many
of
   the same characteristics of any other group gathering. Some people
   will try to fit in by emulating the behavior of those around them.
   There is no doubt that some people may feel the need to affect kriyas
   and others will accentuate kriyas that they have. This may not even
be
   conscious behavior. Gurus of this yoga must try to maintain a balance
   between interfering with the activity of the kundalini as manifested
   in the kriyas and encouraging the affectation of kriyas because
kriyas
   are seen as ``progress.'' Ultimately the validity of any spiritual
   tradition rests in its ability to transform the beings of its
   followers. The real value of siddha mahayoga is in transforming the
   minds of those who practice it.
   
15. Haven't a number of well-known teachers have criticized kriyas? They
say
that kundalini is a force that needs control.

   Some teachers do speak that way. For example the well known kundalini
   yoga teacher, Yogi Bhajan, apparently called the process of
   experiencing kriyas ``jerk yoga.'' Tibetan practicioners of gTummo
   yoga, Indian practicioners of Kriya Yoga and other noted
   ``authorities'' on the kundalini yoga process have clearly emphasized
   to me the importance of carefully controlling the kundalini process
   and not allowing the kundalini to act uncontrollably. Their sincere
   words cast doubt on my practice for many years.
   
   So why do these teachers say these things? To be an adept of
kundalini
   yoga practices does not imply that you are omniscient. All the
   information that people like Yogi Bhajan are really conveying is that
   in their experience in their style of practicing kundalini yoga the
   kundalini is controlled. I do not believe that they have special
   insight into other alternative ways of approaching the practice of
   kundalini yoga. Some people have quite frightening movements in
   meditation and without prior experience of kriyas the natural
reaction
   is that such a person will almost certainly become physically or
   mentally unstable. Experienced masters of Siddha Mahayoga, such as
   Swami Shivom Tirth, have seen it all before and their simple counsel
   is: ``Do not resist kriyas in any way.''
   
   For the individual who does surrender to the kriyas of kundalini
   shakti the perspective is radically different from the view espoused
   by teachers such as Yogi Bhajan. For the individual who spontaneously
   and effortlessly performs kriyas such as intricate pranayamas, asanas
   and bandhas during their meditation the intentional exercises of the
   Hatha yogin are a merely a clumsy mockery of the subtle activity of
   kundalini. In fact some claim that the entire corpus of Hatha yoga,
as
   well as many of the Qi Gong exercises are simply imitations and
   classifications of the spontaneous movements of the Siddha Mahayogin.
   
16. What is the philosophy of Siddha Mahayoga?

   Perhaps its best to say that contemporary forms of siddha mahayoga
   have a core of underlying tenets but not a philosophy. These tenets
   include: the central role of kundalini in the manifestion of the
   universe and the evolution of the individual and the culmination of
   the evolution of the individual in a state of complete unity.
   
   Different teachers have exposited Siddha Mahayoga in different ways.
   Swami Muktananda drew on a wide variety of Indian literature but
   principally relied upon the Shiva Sutras, the Spanda Karikas and
other
   literature of the Trika school of Shaivism. Swami Shivom Tirth has
   also relied up on the Shiva Sutras to define the different stages of
   evolution. Both Swami Shivom Tirth and Swami Kriplavananda have used
   Patanjali's Yoga Sutras for their elucidation of the states of
   samadhi. All of these teachers are quick to note that the use of
these
   scriptures does not imply that Siddha Mahayoga is a form of Hinduism.
   Instead the emphasis is that each of us has the force of kundalini
   within us and having awakened the kundalini our life and religious
   practice will be enriched.
   
   There are really only a few tenets of the practice of siddha
mahayoga.
   The first is that the process begins with shaktipat initiation by the
   guru. This initiation may begin with a formal request from the
   disciple and culminate with a formal initiation ceremony or it may
   occur informally through a impromptu manifestation of the guru's
grace
   in intention, glance, word or touch. Through the initiation the
   kundalini shakti is awakened and begins to move in the disciples
body.
   The practice then consists of deeply surrendering to the spontaneous
   manifestations of kundalini shakti, as described above.
   
17. What is the precise role of the guru in Siddha Mahayoga?

   The role of the guru is laid out in the text the Shiva Sutras where
it
   says ``gururupaya''; the guru is the means. Because it is the guru
who
   awakens your kundalini the guru is given great reverence in this
   tradition. The awakening of kundalini that many people struggle, with
   effort and danger, to accomplish in a lifetime a true guru can
   accomplish in a few seconds. Nevertheless the role of a guru is to
   awaken the kundalini within you; then the practice takes place
between
   you and your kundalini. The guru is a facilitator in the process of
   awakening kundalini not an ongoing intermediary between the disciple
   and kundalini.
   
18. I thought Siddha Yoga was only taught by the Siddha Yoga Dham of
America -
didn't they trademark the name?

   The Siddha Yoga Dham of America does hold a servicemark on the name
of
   Siddha Yoga but the Siddha Yoga tradition is an ancient tradition.
   
   But I read in the newspaper Hinduism Today that some expert
   professor said that Muktananda invented the name Siddha Yoga.
   
   Prof. Muller-Ortega was only objecting to Hinduism Today's contention
   that Siddha Yoga was a commonly used term. The Professor notes that
he
   could not find the term in a variety of *western* reference
materials.
   He does not contend that the term ``siddha yoga'' was never used
   before in India.
   
_______
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
Date: 11 Jun 97 11:15:32
From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: OBE during sleep
Message-Id: <9706111021.AA0641ATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
Content-Type: Text/Plain

Hi,

Discovered that after the daily meditation, if one goes to sleep keeping the
"mantra" in mind constantly, one can experience OBE wilfuly. The mantra is a
continuous chant of any set of syllabyls considered sacred. Once the mind is
fixed onto one idea (like as in Dhyana and Dharana) the experience of "lifting"
out of the body comes about. The experiencer is aware of this jump out of the
body and at that time one can experience the feeling of becoming large, small,
move about anywhere at will. One can even "see" one's own life-less body.

This is probably (a speculation) the experience after death where the
consciousness leaves the body for good. At that time however, all memory of
this life remain and any unfulfilled desires might land up in deciding the body
in the next birth.

However, one that stage is reached, there is lot of work to be done which one
is not aware of.

Any help there, anybody ?

Regards
Ashanka
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:30:39 -0500
From: Max Prescott <sumacATnospamwin.bright.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder)
Message-ID: <339ED2AF.2183ATnospamwin.bright.net>

I have to agree with what is being said here. I live in Minnesota and
have had a terrible time in the winter. I just felt like a bear wanting
to hibernate. I didn't want to go out or do anything. I thought maybe
the special lights would do wonders for me. Like Zympht said, it is
good to find out what the problem is first. For me, I was having
difficulty staying in my body after my Near Death experience. I really
missed my spiritual family on the other side. If I used those bright,
special lights, it would have been another ticket out of my body.
Instead I have had to face my grief of leaving spirit, and connect here
with my body and earth. Since I have been working on this, I have been
doing much better. I had a great winter. All that I had to do is face
what I needed to and do some healing. Love and Light, Colleayn


Jason wrote:
>
> This is an oppurtunity to learn what the cause of your depression, neediness, loneliness, etc. is. I don't think the cause is the weather. Perhaps the symptoms just surface more readily during "bad" weather. These symptoms can also surface during "good" weather.
>
>
>
> I prefer my second solution. There are probably other solutions, but these are the only ones I've worked with. Perhaps there is something here that can help you.
>
> To me, it is important to understand the cause of a problem before solving it. Not doing so is like trying to fix a rust spot on a car by painting over it.
>
> Love the lessons that the rain and cold have for you.
> Love. Zympht.
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:25:13 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT <Sen_AshankaATnospamAIS01.ais.it>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: OBE during sleep
Message-ID: <339F09A9.39BATnospambest.com>

Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT wrote:

 Ashanka,
You might want to read the writings of Dion Fortune and other occultists
on astral travel. It is a very real plane (actually a set of three
planes) with its' own landscape and dangers. I'm trained enough in two
forms (shamanic and occult)to get around, but there do exist the astral
equivalent of sharks, thnkfully rare. It's well-known among shamans that
if you spent enough time "spirit-journeying" your chances of getting
stuck out there for good increase.
  If you're an "old soul" then it's no big deal, you've already learned
navigation in other lives and it's completely instinctive. If you're not
it is best to find a good teacher. You could choose a shaman or an
occultist, but definitely someone trustworthy.
  The way you are leaving your body does give a natural protection
because you are invoking positive energies. You probably know how to
soul travel from past lifetimes but didn't feel safe enough to do so
until you found a high vibration tool, the mantra.
Morgana
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:55:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <199706120055.RAA12596ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I lost 50 pieces of today's mail and am coping with the loss fairly well.
This post is in the nature of a test...to see if my mail program,
subscription, etc. is still performing
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:39:04 -0400
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com
To: chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <19970612.003904.3222.17.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>

I hope this makes you feel better. Last week I lost all...of
my cherished emails. Approx 800 of them. I could not
believe my eyes.....they were replaced ....each and every one
of them...with waves of lovely energy. I no longer ....scan them
I jump right in and SWIM in them.
Doreen
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:55:02 -0700 (PDT) M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
writes:
>I lost 50 pieces of today's mail and am coping with the loss fairly
>well.
>This post is in the nature of a test...to see if my mail program,
>subscription, etc. is still performing
>
>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:48:37 -0600
From: jeremiahATnospamouter.net (jeremiah cunningham)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: help with a definition .....
Message-Id: <199706120438.XAA19324ATnospamsmtp.outer.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

can some of you more erudite k-listers give me the meaning/definition of:

      gnothi seuton

thanks,
  jeremiah

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:26:48 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Anold Lloyd <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Free at last
Message-ID: <339FB2C8.7E1AATnospamdial.pipex.com>

LIBERATION
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deep fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous,
  talented and fabulous?"
Actually who are you not to be?
You are a child of God. Your playing small
  doesn't serve the world.
There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that
 other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were born to manifest the glory of God
  that is within us.
It is not just in some of us; it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give
  other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fears, our presence
  automatically liberates others.
      --Nelson Mandela
      1994 Inaugural Speech (fragemnt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:30:00 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Anold Lloyd <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Sweeping the World
Message-ID: <339FB388.26F9ATnospamdial.pipex.com>

"My optimism rests on my belief in the infinite possibilities of the
individual to develop non-violence. The more you develop it in your own
being, the more it overwhelms your surroundings and by and by and by
might oversweep the world."
  -- Mahatma Gandhi
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:35:17 -0700
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sweeping the World
Message-ID: <339FA6B5.2031ATnospamix.netcom.com>

Have always admired Ghandi. He embodies what I feel MY saints should
have. As a title, Mahatma = MAHA/great ATMA/soul was most apt.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:50:24 +-100
From: Matthew King <mkingATnospamaxe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: FW: A few questions about Kundalini....
Message-ID: <01BC770D.AC4C6820ATnospamearn.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com>

Hi Holly, I appreciate you taking the time to read the monograph. I have just realised that I forgot to post my last e-mail to the list. For anyone following this thread, I gave Holly the url of a monograph by James B. Mann which I had read, in order to see how she identified with what he expressed regarding Kundalini awakening. For those who would like to check it out :
http://members.aol.com/jamesbmann/en_light/kundal.txt

I understand what you are saying Holly, and it makes a lot of sense. It is great to hear your and indeed everybody else's experiences with Kundalini as I will help me to recognise and deal with the symptoms/kriyas as best as it possible. I just hope that I can retain enough interest to carry on with whatever I am doing at the time. I guess it is never going to be a totally convenient time to try to awaken Kundalini, just more convenient. In case anyone is wondering how I think I can dictate when I will have Kundalini awakening, I guess I can't really. As some of you know, it can hit you unawares. As I mentioned briefly in another post, there are sessions for a L/S(Light and Sound) device which are supposed to stimulate Kundalini. They were written by James B. Mann. I am hoping that Kundalini will not become awakened in the mean time and that when I am ready(as I will ever be :) ) I will set about stimulating Kundalini awakening. I will let you know my progress as and when it unfolds.

Thanks again Holly....

Matt K

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