1997/06/02 01:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #260
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 260
Today's Topics:
<<<<<Shaktipat - its not just for breakfast anymore!
Re: Two Doctors Comment
Re: the real me
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Ancient Stone Carvings
[Fwd: Healing Across the Internet]
The Stone address
martial arts.
Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen?
The Stone Address
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Re: Two Doctors Comment
Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen?
Re: Ancient Stone Carvings/St. Patrick.
Re: Two Doctors Comment
Re: Spirituality
Re:prana/tail bone/crooked spine
Re: <<<<<Shaktipat - its not just for breakfast anymore!
Re: <<<<<Synchronicity
Re: <<<<<Shaktipat - its not just for breakfast anymore!
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 08:18:32 -0700
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Shaktipat - its not just for breakfast anymore!
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Melissa Shubha Smith wrote:
>
> Dear Lisette/Dan etc...
>
> """This is in responce to Dan's letter about "collective shaktipat
> hysteria"...as well as Lisettes reply""""""
>
> the Grace of an enlivened shaktipat Maha Kundalini Master such as Baba
> Muktananda, stabalizes and opens the spiritual path in a way that
> spontaneous awakenings seldom have.
>
Interesting that Baba Muktananda is mentioned so much recently
considering the bad press his sexual escapades caused him. No judgement
here, just coincidental that Baba was professing to dispense shaktipat
before his purported entanglements. Traditionally the phase of rampant,
often perverse sexuality precedes and is even considered in some
traditions to be essential to the development of the siddha of
shaktipat-dispensation and then, traditionally, is never encountered
again.
Speaking of judgement, what exactly is the basis for the determination
that without a guru (i.e., spontaneous awakening) one has a 'stable'
spiritual path? The literature and traditions are filled with examples
of pupils going through the pangs of hell while under the tutelage of a
guru - it is considered a normal phase among the Tibetans, and Gautama
himself went through it. Again, are you sure we are talking about
kundalini awakening or a more prosaic moral/spiritual development?
>
> Maybe Dan hasn't met the right type of shaktipat Master for him and maybe
> his own mind didn't like this awakened energy he came across. Maybe you have
> never met others who have had genuine "shaktipat" awakenings from genuine
> "shaktipat" masters or the one you met wasn't the one for you.....
>
I wasn't clear in my post, because I have been posting on the list for
a year now and assume that others are familiar with my past (sorry). I
was not SEEKING shaktipat, I had already been spontaneously awakened and
had NO DOUBT when it happened. It had already been proceeding for
several months and had been through many forms of yoga; prana, hatha,
citta, maha, raja, kundalini, mantra, kriya, etc.: psychic phenomena:
telepathy, psychometry, channeling, past life experiences, telekinesis,
necromancy, cheiromancy, pyromance, universal consciousness,
precognition, postcognition: had experienced powerful root, navel,
heart, throat, tongue (not commonly noted in U.S., very common in India
& environs) brow, and crown chakra openings (2nd chakra opening and
tantric yoga held out until this past December, who knows why), could,
WOULD and can still go into profoundly deep meditative state instantly
even while driving or exercising: experienced startling control of
autonomic functions and parts of my body that I didn't even know existed
(ever flex your tensor tympani independantly?) etc., etc.
None of these were the result of any guru, study, training, practice or
seeking of them on my part - heck, most of them I never even suspected
their existance or even knew there were names for them.
One extremely common manifestation of the spontaneously awakened is an
innate ability to sense a genuinely similar condition in other people
(Dr. Grof insists that those helping others who are having purported
difficulty with a kundalini awakening be themselves awakened just
because of this ability to differentiate between the mentally ill, the
deluded, the naive, and the genuinely awakened).
It was this sense that I had concerning others (even without meeting
them) that made me interested in attending a shaktipat darshan and Shri
Mataji's was the nearest to me. As I noted in the post, after attending
I had no doubt that she is genuinely awakened - just as I had no doubt
that nothing was transmitted to anyone (myself included) in the room.
Also, I made a point of speaking with several of her 'awakened'
followers and found none of them to trigger my k-dar. Not one of them
had that energy that comes to my senses as a deep sonorous vibration and
an emanating glow that do I 'see' in Shri Mataji herself as well as in a
handful of others. I was really hoping to see this purported
manifestation of k-awakening in action.
Again, this is all just my opinion, subject to revision, redaction, or
retraction at any time I see fit =-).
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF (judgment is my middle name)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> (by way of brenda asterino <brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com>),
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Two Doctors Comment
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At 06:33 AM 6/1/97 -0400, Louis Conjar wrote:
>Brenda here:
>I know these "awakenings" can happen this way. I am presently opting for
>less dramatic things than have happened to me in the past. Craniosacral
>applications seem to be a good way. The Upledger Institute in Fla. teaches
>it around the world. It is the biological side of our kundalini and
>attempts to restore optimum functioning to this vital pump in our bodies.
>There is no doubt that after even 5 minutes of it, I am greatly relaxed,
>feel much greater integration of my body and mind and am easily able to
>shift states of consciousness. Another thing they do is what I am looking
>into now and that is somatoemotional releases. It allows you to release
>past emotional as well as physical injuries by going into tissue and muscle
>memories. I find it fascinating.
>
Can you tell us any more about this? I do not live in a city and would need
to find how-to instructions or take a longish trip to find out more.
Also, for the record, I had a back injury - fell out of a car - in my eary
teens and K symptoms not for decades later.
M
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 09:36:19 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jason <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
CC: "'Kundalini' LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com rtrATnospammicron.net fullpubATnospamthegrid.net V37PopsATnospamaol.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: the real me
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Jason wrote:
>
> <beginsnip: Gloria>
>
> It always boils back to trusting and letting go of whom you think you
> are, so that you can find out who you really are, which is the
> unknown... It is always the letting go of that controling, manipulating
> energy. That isn't you, that is the shadow. We are seeing you ...the
> real you in this post.This being is exposing himself which is hard to
> do. This is you in your nakedness, but it is also you in the essence of
> highest good, your humility and your love..
>
> <endsnip>
>
>
>
> Your response was quite thought-provoking. Lately I feel that thinking about spirituality is a lesser activity than DOing and BEing on the path. As you say, I THINK I know who I am. This happens when I make an activity such as thinking. To discern the FEELing of whatever passes before me seems a much deeper activity. I have done this with your response and I feel your love and kindness.
>
> Love and Kindness to You.
> Zympht.
You know this is getting down to the real essence of the truth. It is so
very important because in learning what you are not, you draw closer
into what you are. That monad, or Christ Self as literally God in you,
is the essence.
This is always in movement, and not thinking, figuring, being worldly,
it is all Heart. Last night in my dream I was shown the heart center...
as the living embodiment of Christ as the second person of God, is
becomes transformed into the Sacred Heart. It is not the normal heart
center we talk about in the mediation as the heart chakra because this
is the transformationally full presence of God which makes the
soul/spirit transformed also into what in Catholic teaching we know as
the Sacred Heart. So we each grow into the Sacred Heart, that is really
beautiful. I don't know if I communicated this that clear yet but maybe
it will get through. Gloria
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 07:50:43 -1000 (HST)
From: Sandy Ranhorn <SANDYLRANATnospamAOL.COM>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hey Folks....So glad to have found this resource on the net....have been
asking questions forever trying to find people who have done more than
just read about this but acutally experience it in earnest.....here's
my story....
The only consistant thing I have ever done in my life is search for a
God of my understanding...I am 47 years old and my spiritual experiences
have been vast....I was involved in the new age stuff before the new age
stuff was cool....if ya know what I mean.....I was driven to search..
insatiably so..
In 1982 I had a near death experience in which I had my first out of body
experience. I literally died and came back...it changed me dramatically.
I began researching and practicing various forms of meditation
and learned about the kundalini...going out of body...levitation and so
forth...I also stayed in an ashram with a guru who taught me how to a
awaken the kundalini...
After I left the ashram...I began to have some very frightening out of
body experiences and one night during meditation was "taken" to another
plane of existence where it was explained to me that I was NOT ready for
what I was trying to accomplish and that it was also very dangerous. And
that I would "know" when it was time to begin again. I never entered that
type of meditation again...
I believe that during that time I did awaken the kundalini...I have had
various sleep disturbances. Each night since then I experience my
entire body "vibrates" at a very high level...I can feel the sensation of
warmth travel from my lower back up through my chest and the back of my
throat...then my head begins to feel tremendous pressure....
I can then stay in twilight sleep for hours with "visions" of all sorts
of people and places...almost akin to lucid dreams...some nights I stay
there all night...somenights...I travel...and visit friends...
I had thought that it has been just an overactive immagination on my
part...
I can tell you that I am not the same person from the 80's...I have
been forced to deal with all my issues from childhood..and change my
attitude toward the world at large...I have very few unresolved issues
and am very much at peace with myself and those around me....I just
don't know what the next step in my development is...
I would appreciate any feedback...and hearing about similiar experiences.
I am profoundly grateful to have found this resource...
Sandy from Fl
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 10:53:14 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ancient Stone Carvings
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While looking for Celtic and Pictish information, I ran accross the
Brandsbutt Stone dating back 500-900 BC.
The symbolism, including a serpent, is intriquing. It would be easy to
speculate about its meaning. Does anyone have an informed opinion?
Know of any other such symbols?
According to Britanica, Saint Patrick probably responsible in part for the
Christianization of the Picts and Anglo-Saxons.
What were those serpents Saint Patrick drove into the sea?
Sincerely inquiring,
Ken
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 12:52:55 -0500
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thought you might enjoy this
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Hello Everybody.
Isn't Spring glorious?
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 11:21:31 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
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Subject: The Stone address
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Ah yes, it would be helpful to give you the URL:
http://www.webit.wintermute.co.uk/webit/brandsbu.htm
Ken
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: susan carlson <carlsonsATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: Dmitry Zayakin <dzenATnospamtransit.samara.ru>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: martial arts.
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dear dmitry,
although i am not a practioner of martial arts i may have some slight
information.
i happened to study for a short time with a man who was a ninja master
( i am sorry i don't know all the correct terms), a shodan (one of
three in the world), a shaman and a kahuna. he taught me, among other
things, how to break boards only using ki. (i still have a hard time
believing some of the things i can do with just using ki).
the last i heard he was living in hawaii working with the prison
population. his name is mark saito. he also lives at times in the
south bay area of san francisco. i think his dojo was there. i wish
i could help you with more info. i have not seen or heard hide nor
hair
of him for over 5 years. his father was also one of the shodans.
they occasionally competed. mark also used to train navy seals and
worked doing strength and power trainings for pro football teams. his
father is japanese and his mother is hawaiian. his japanese training
in maritial arts extends thru his father for over 2000 years. ( or
at least that is what he would tell me).
he did wonderful things with energy and healing. maybe some one else
on the list may have heard of him. he's pretty unique but his name is
very common.
good luck,
susan
---Dmitry Zayakin <dzenATnospamtransit.samara.ru> wrote:
>
> Hello and thanks to all, who has answered my question about "Inner
Smile"!
> I found many interesting expositions on this subject. I have another
> question addressed to experts on this list and Martial Arts fanciers.
>
> I've started to train Karate Kyokushinkai 9 years ago. Now I
experienced in
> boxing, judo and have 1 dan of Taekwon-do. I'm looking for a
technique
> which help me to arise my martial spirit and become more ballanced.
>
> I've heard that perfect way- is the way of warrior.
> God Bless you all!
> Dmitry.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: dorATnospamhlc.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen?
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Thank you M and Lindewey, apparently you both have hit a point re: the
whirling dervish.
Thanks to cen06681 for another view as well.
Thank you for your responses, and I will indeed look further into this, and
also try the left handed approach.
love 'n light dor
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:05:17 +0100
From: bobATnospamakasha.net (bob crowder)
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Subject: The Stone Address
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Thanks for the address Ken. The stone is absolutely fascinating.
BobATnospamakasha.net
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 15:57:57 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
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It's more than just bone alignment by now, the soft tissue around the
bone is stressed and holding the injury and the compensation. The
combination of Rolfing and Network chiropractic is needed to release it.
I move the bones and release the tissue with psychokinetic energy, but I
still work with a chiropractor on these clients to speed up the healing
process.
Morgana
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 00:30:19 GMT
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net
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dor
I am Lindewey at ceno6681ATnospamcenturyinter.net, and you are welcome.
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 17:59:33 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ancient Stone Carvings/St. Patrick.
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At 03:10 PM 6/1/97 +0000, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> There are tales told in pagan circles, of how these women, sworn to heal
>the sick and faced with conversion or burning chose instead to walk into
>the ocean together, holding hands and singing praises to the Goddess,
>letting the waters take them from this life.
> In anger, Goddess took her symbol from Ireland.
Thanks Ms Serpent,
I should have known you would be the expert is this area.
sincerely,
Ken
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:51:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: TPp40ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Two Doctors Comment
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Re: tail bone. Has anyone heard of the condition of having an extra
undeveloped section at the base of the spine and the associated pain. Was
something that had to be surgicaly removed from my father, myself, and my
youngest sister. Now, is there a correlation between this and the falling on
the tail bone as spoken of?
Thanks, Tom F
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 20:19:08 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: PSR <slcofksATnospamfeist.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Spirituality
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Gloria
> >Have you heard anything out November?
Phil:
>
> The Kundalini Research Network Conference will be November 6-9, 1997 in
> Watsonville, CA, which I understand is about 2 hrs. from San Francisco and
> San Jose in the Monterey and Carmel area. I'll be giving a talk on
> Kundalini and Christian Spirituality, and probably heading a discussion
> group on this topic. Pass the word on to the list.
>
> Phil
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:34:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: SKidder333ATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:prana/tail bone/crooked spine
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To Lindewey & others: I'm sorry for my half completed info on books.
In 1995 Barbara Harris Whitfield brought her new and hot off the presses book
"Spiritual Awakenings" to the fall Kundalini Research Network's international
conference. I purchased her book there. It's ISBN is 1-55874-338-3 and is
published by: Health Communications, Inc., 3201 S.W. Deerfield Beach,
Florida 33442-8190. It's a simply written little book, but I found it and
its bibliography valuable.
I believe I ordered Choa Kok Sui's books out of Sounds True Catalog at
1-800-333-9185 which has been a great resource. The books were both
published by
Samuel Weiser, Inc. Box 612, York Beach, ME 03910-0612.
Pranic Healing 1990 ISBN 0-87728-713-9
Advanced Pranic Healing 1995 ISBN 0-87728-842-9
Sui's information must be used with the greatest caution and respect; he is
afterall discussing the uses of our beloved and powerful prana.
Sylvia....from rain stormed Ohio
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 03:07:32 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
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CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: <<<<<Shaktipat - its not just for breakfast anymore!
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Dan,
I just read your "judgement" post. Where did you get the information
about Muktananda? Anyone can write anything they please, but are you
certain of what you are saying? Do you have a documentation on it?
Then supposing you don"t, why should I take your word for it?
Besides whatever happened it does not take away receiving shaktipat from
his beingness.
In search of truth,
Lissette
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 03:11:13 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity
Message-ID: <33912091.5066ATnospambridge.net>
Hi "V",
I saw a bunch of books about Carlos Castaneda today at the bookstore.
Where is he now and is he teaching? There was also a book written by an
exwife.
How long have you been doing the Tensegrity?
Love..and (((((((light))))))))
Lissette
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 01:26:52 -0700
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: <<<<<Shaktipat - its not just for breakfast anymore!
Message-ID: <339283CC.156AATnospamix.netcom.com>
Hi there,
You must have missed the gist of the post - I specifically said that
making a judgement about Muktananda based on the stories of sexual
impropriety was not what I was posting about (in fact the impropriety
part is really a Western judgement, the sexual facets of tantric yoga
are held to the same out-of-context light and suffer a similar
loss-of-content because of it).
There was a thread on this list not too long back concerning gurus and
the tales of their being exposed to temptations of the flesh during the
'sexual revolution' in the U.S. Muktananda was discussed in that thread
- should be in the archives. There was a hue and cry of foul from the
various gurus' followers at that time, too.
I am not sure why, but disciples seem to expect that their teachers are
foibleless and take affront when these are brought up. Noah had sex with
his own daughters, David had Uriah sent to the front of battle so he
could get his hands on his wife Bathsheba (also as a young man, he
"loved Jonathan as a man loves a woman"), Moses doubted God, Peter
denied Christ, Christ committed assault on the moneylenders in the
Temple (also lost his 'cool'), AND he hung out with known 'loose' women!
The great fallacies of logic include the argument 'ad hominem abusive'.
That is to say arguing against a man's teaching or point-of-view by
attacking the man or what he has done is simply fallacious reasoning.
So, that said, I currently maintain my opinion about shaktipat ...
still subject to revision, redaction, or retraction =-).
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
ps: I also maintain the possibility that this 'spontaneous awakening' of
mine may be nothing more than the 'bit of undigested cheese' that
Ebenezer Scrooge spoke so eloquently and skeptically about! However,
gastric distress USUALLY clears up in less than a year's time!
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