1997/05/31  08:26  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #258 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 258
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
  Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
  Re: Placebo 
  blue-green algae 
  Re: blue-green algae 
  Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
  Re: Two Doctors Comment 
  RE:Teeths! and Gum!! 
  Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
  Re: Two Doctors Comment 
  Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen? 
  Blue-green algae/ prana 
  Prana/Tumo fire [was: blue-green algae] 
  Auras and K [was: please let this work] 
  Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
  Re: please let this work...God did answer 
  Re: Prana/Tumo fire [was: blue-green algae] 
  Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen? 
  Re: Prana/Tumo fire [was: blue-green algae] 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:51:01 
From: Melissa Shubha Smith <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970530065101.4aefd5f0ATnospampopd.ix.netcom.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
>Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:50:11 
>To: lissetteATnospambridge.net, Kundalini list 
>From: Melissa Shubha Smith <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
>Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
>In-Reply-To: <338D3126.189CATnospambridge.net> 
>References: <199705291424.JAA16631ATnospamdfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> 
> 
>Dear Lisette/Dan etc... 
> 
> """This is in responce to Dan's letter about "collective shaktipat 
hysteria"...as well as Lisettes reply"""""" 
> 
>I bought Baba's Muktananda's autobiograpghy "Play of Conciousness" at a 
Yard Sale for $1.00. I remember wrangling about the price cause I didn't 
think it was worth a $1 but then I decided to pay it. I went home, read it 
and got shaktipat. The Grace and Love in this book completely spiritually 
awakened me. I had never heard of shaktipat and had no reason to "want" it. 
>In kundalini awakening, I have come to understand, that having this Grace 
, the Grace of an enlivened shaktipat Maha Kundalini Master such as Baba 
Muktananda, stabalizes and opens the spiritual path in a way that 
spontaneous awakenings seldom have. I am grateful for this. The Blessing of 
shaktipat is also something that we can contemplate over and over again and 
again in our lives....Just "when" did it happen, just what happened, did I 
"get" it, did someone else "get" it more than I, Is there more to 
"get"...is it bogus.....I don't know if I got it the way I wanted 
it....heheheheheh.....LOL...The "MIND" wants to compare its spirituality 
with others....This is something that as kundalini evolution evolves within 
a person, we come to know, that there are NO COMPARISONS. We are each 
unique, bringing the opening and evolution/lessons/purifications of 
kundalini awakening to our sushumna nadis (central channel of 
purifications) in ways that work best for us. The kundalini purifys our 
past karmas (samscaras), burning them, and opening our pathway to self 
realization.  
>The force of an enlightened Meditation Masters spiritual energy as an 
influence in our own lives, transmits/awakens/enlivens our path in a 
fabulous way. 
>Maybe Dan hasn't met the right type of shaktipat Master for him and maybe 
his own mind didn't like this awakened energy he came across. Time will 
tell....Let a year go by Dan and see how you feel. This modification of 
your mind, could just be a temporary thing....known as a "Lila" in 
kundalini lingo. ( a little play with our minds purification that teachs us 
a lesson ). Maybe you have never met others who have had genuine 
"shaktipat" awakenings from genuine "shaktipat" masters or the one you met 
wasn't the one for you..... Lots of different energies and teachers out 
there...very confusing....My advice...Dan....meditate on your own inner 
self for awhile...see the light of conciousness within your own 
self....that pure/clear/shining place...have faith and love for yourself 
and others...when the mind wants to "judge"....say to 
yourself..."judgements are not for me...love is for me"....when you look at 
situations/people/your life....look for this clear shining place in the 
kernal of all everyday activities....meditate on this shining place....open 
to this shining place....if you feel guided to stabalize your mind with 
repetition of a mantra...try.."OM NAMAH SHIVAYA" or other mantra you feel 
guided to use. See what happens. 
>Always best with kundalini...to wait a bit...contemplate...meditate...see 
what happens... 
>Love and Light on the path of conciousness 
>Shubha/Ganesha 
> 
> 
>At 03:32 AM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote: 
> 
> 
>>Hi Dan, 
>> 
>>I read your post on shaktipat being colletive hysteria.... 
>> 
>>I don't know about your experience, but I never heard of kundalini or 
>>shaktipat in my life, I was travelling another path in my life... a non 
>>mystical one for sure, I had no devotion or much belief in deities when 
>>someone gave me the book I AM THAT by Baba Muktananda, where he teaches 
>>the mantra HAM SA... I started to repeat it as I fell asleep most nights 
>>for weeks....I got shaktipat..!!!! 
>> 
>>I did not know what it was, I just knew that I had a strong desire to 
>>meditate which I never had before, when I meditated my body started to 
>>move to adopt postures and all this electricity ran through my spine, I 
>>got very scared and started calling the friend who gave me the book, he 
>>did not know much of what was happening, he had not experienced those 
>>symptoms. So I called the Siddha Yoga center and spoke to a lady there 
>>who told me not to worry that it was natural.... 
>> 
>>The point is that I had no collective hysteria situation to "believe" 
>>that I was going through mystical experiences. It just happened, and 
>>when I started to read about it, I was amazed how precise the 
>>descriptions were. 
>> 
>>Do you still think that it is the guru's ego that creates an illusion? 
>> 
>>In search of truth, 
>> 
>>Lissette 
>> 
>> 
>> 
REIKI Master Melissa Shubha Smith 
Mastery in the Usui System of REIKI Healing 
The REIKI Lightway - The Heart is The Hub of All Spaces, Go There and Roam 
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3035
 
Rosary and Prayer Bead International - designs by Melissa Shubha Smith 
http://web.idirect.com/~innerspa/mss.html
 
e-mail: 
ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com
 
IRC: Server: irc.superlink.net Channel: #bridge Nick: Ganesha 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:50:11 
From: Melissa Shubha Smith <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970530065011.4b3fd3b6ATnospampopd.ix.netcom.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Dear Lisette/Dan etc...
 
 """This is in responce to Dan's letter about "collective shaktipat 
hysteria"...as well as Lisettes reply""""""
 
I bought Baba's Muktananda's autobiograpghy "Play of Conciousness" at a 
Yard Sale for $1.00. I remember wrangling about the price cause I didn't 
think it was worth a $1 but then I decided to pay it. I went home, read it 
and got shaktipat. The Grace and Love in this book completely spiritually 
awakened me. I had never heard of shaktipat and had no reason to "want" it. 
In kundalini awakening, I have come to understand, that having this Grace , 
the Grace of an enlivened shaktipat Maha Kundalini Master such as Baba 
Muktananda, stabalizes and opens the spiritual path in a way that 
spontaneous awakenings seldom have. I am grateful for this. The Blessing of 
shaktipat is also something that we can contemplate over and over again and 
again in our lives....Just "when" did it happen, just what happened, did I 
"get" it, did someone else "get" it more than I, Is there more to 
"get"...is it bogus.....I don't know if I got it the way I wanted 
it....heheheheheh.....LOL...The "MIND" wants to compare its spirituality 
with others....This is something that as kundalini evolution evolves within 
a person, we come to know, that there are NO COMPARISONS. We are each 
unique, bringing the opening and evolution/lessons/purifications of 
kundalini awakening to our sushumna nadis (central channel of 
purifications) in ways that work best for us. The kundalini purifys our 
past karmas (samscaras), burning them, and opening our pathway to self 
realization.  
The force of an enlightened Meditation Masters spiritual energy as an 
influence in our own lives, transmits/awakens/enlivens our path in a 
fabulous way. 
Maybe Dan hasn't met the right type of shaktipat Master for him and maybe 
his own mind didn't like this awakened energy he came across. Time will 
tell....Let a year go by Dan and see how you feel. This modification of 
your mind, could just be a temporary thing....known as a "Lila" in 
kundalini lingo. ( a little play with our minds purification that teachs us 
a lesson ). Maybe you have never met others who have had genuine 
"shaktipat" awakenings from genuine "shaktipat" masters or the one you met 
wasn't the one for you..... Lots of different energies and teachers out 
there...very confusing....My advice...Dan....meditate on your own inner 
self for awhile...see the light of conciousness within your own 
self....that pure/clear/shining place...have faith and love for yourself 
and others...when the mind wants to "judge"....say to 
yourself..."judgements are not for me...love is for me"....when you look at 
situations/people/your life....look for this clear shining place in the 
kernal of all everyday activities....meditate on this shining place....open 
to this shining place....if you feel guided to stabalize your mind with 
repetition of a mantra...try.."OM NAMAH SHIVAYA" or other mantra you feel 
guided to use. See what happens. 
Always best with kundalini...to wait a bit...contemplate...meditate...see 
what happens... 
Love and Light on the path of conciousness 
Shubha/Ganesha
 
At 03:32 AM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
 
>Hi Dan, 
> 
>I read your post on shaktipat being colletive hysteria.... 
> 
>I don't know about your experience, but I never heard of kundalini or 
>shaktipat in my life, I was travelling another path in my life... a non 
>mystical one for sure, I had no devotion or much belief in deities when 
>someone gave me the book I AM THAT by Baba Muktananda, where he teaches 
>the mantra HAM SA... I started to repeat it as I fell asleep most nights 
>for weeks....I got shaktipat..!!!! 
> 
>I did not know what it was, I just knew that I had a strong desire to 
>meditate which I never had before, when I meditated my body started to 
>move to adopt postures and all this electricity ran through my spine, I 
>got very scared and started calling the friend who gave me the book, he 
>did not know much of what was happening, he had not experienced those 
>symptoms. So I called the Siddha Yoga center and spoke to a lady there 
>who told me not to worry that it was natural.... 
> 
>The point is that I had no collective hysteria situation to "believe" 
>that I was going through mystical experiences. It just happened, and 
>when I started to read about it, I was amazed how precise the 
>descriptions were. 
> 
>Do you still think that it is the guru's ego that creates an illusion? 
> 
>In search of truth, 
> 
>Lissette 
> 
> 
> 
REIKI Master Melissa Shubha Smith 
Mastery in the Usui System of REIKI Healing 
The REIKI Lightway - The Heart is The Hub of All Spaces, Go There and Roam 
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3035
 
Rosary and Prayer Bead International - designs by Melissa Shubha Smith 
http://web.idirect.com/~innerspa/mss.html
 
e-mail: 
ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com
 
IRC: Server: irc.superlink.net Channel: #bridge Nick: Ganesha 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:25:33 +0100 
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Placebo 
Message-ID: <$Ln64NA99vjzEw6bATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
 
In message <338EFC30.2EF2ATnospammail.snet.net>, David Bozzi 
<david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> writes 
>Dan wrote: 
> 
>> Belief is a most powerful and valuable attribute of the 
>> mind; I work in the pharmaceutical industry and belief is such a 
>> tremendously powerful force that it takes an incredible expenditure of 
>> mathematical and scientific resources to try to eliminate it from drug 
>> trials.
 
Pharmaceuticals have such a powerful effect on the mind, it can take no 
end of work to get them out of the system when bathing in the Light
 
it can take all one's spiritual resources to eliminate them from the 
transcendental equation
 
you know, when the crown opens, all those immunisations and aspirins and 
medications are cleaned out forever.......
 
disease is not always what it seems......
 
> 
--  
Tom Aston 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:28:09 +0100 
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: blue-green algae 
Message-ID: <FUOEvTAZAwjzEwtmATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
 
have just been eating some blue-green algae imported from a lake in 
Canada i think....absolutely delicious, the energy gobbled it up 
would recommend it to anyone looking for high prana diet..... 
--  
Tom Aston 
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 18:19:25 GMT 
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: blue-green algae 
Message-Id: <M.053097.131925.16ATnospamcenturyinter.net>
 
Tom 
   If it comes from the Solar Tech, or Solar Ray companies, it is anominophizon  
species algae. This imparticular brand comes from Klammath springs, & lakes, in  
Oregon. Don't know if you have ever been there, but they are still pure and  
beautiful. They are on the edge of a giant pre-historic cauldera, the same one  
that crater lake is on. Took the algae for years off and on, but it was always  
too powerful for me, it made me fill with prana, and literally expand. I would  
gain weight quickly and profoundly, even if I ate nothing else with it. Would  
also radiate heat at night, even others could feel it, but no raise in actual  
temperature. I think this was a secondary activation of the Tumo fire, caused  
by the algae. Great for energy, but may experience some burn out(literally). 
    Lindewey 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:01:18 EDT 
From: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com 
To: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
Message-ID: <19970530.141010.3830.1.esberk1ATnospamjuno.com>
 
Hi everyone!  I have only been on the list for two days. 
I must tell all of you.... I am so impressed by the quality 
of information that I am jumping for joy!!!! 
It is wonderful...to finally something on the email that is 
so compelling.  Thank you for being there!  
Doreen Esberk  
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 14:34:33 EDT 
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Two Doctors Comment 
Message-Id: <9705301834.AA16058ATnospamsuperaje.com> 
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Dan RF wrote:
 
>I have heard of yogis dropping in the lotus position from a small height 
>and landing on their tailbone to try to cause a kundalini awakening - my 
>guess is that somewhere, sometime a tailbone/spinal blow was associated 
>with a spontaneous awakening 
 
....Whoa!!! A light goes on! I had fallen and injured my tailbone, not once 
but TWICE as a teeneger. My K awakening in my late teens then in late 20s 
was DEFINATELY spontaneous. 
.........Anybody else??? Anyone know anything else about this???
 
Mo 
the light-hearted traveller who still has a sore tailbone when she sits on a 
hard surface for a period of time 
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 14:42:12 EDT 
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE:Teeths! and Gum!! 
Message-Id: <9705301842.AA16229ATnospamsuperaje.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Stephane wrote:
 
>for the past year, I have been having these series of dreams where I would 
>loose my teeths. They would slowly brake as I would chew on some gum;
 
>It is not the first time,my dreams have involved to form a sort of serie . 
 
Hi y'all 
>>>>>>> I have also had many dreams where my teeth fall out. It often 
coincides with choking on a huge wad of gum that I try to pull out but just 
can't, as I guess it is the biggest wad of gum known to mankind. (or 
person-kind) 
>>>>>>Any takers on this one?
 
Mo :-) 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:22:35 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: esberk1ATnospamjuno.com 
CC: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
Message-ID: <338F1AEA.43A7ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
esberk1ATnospamjuno.com wrote: 
>  
> Hi everyone!  I have only been on the list for two days. 
> I must tell all of you.... I am so impressed by the quality 
> of information that I am jumping for joy!!!! 
> It is wonderful...to finally something on the email that is 
> so compelling.  Thank you for being there! 
> Doreen Esberk
 
Welcome, looking forward to knowing you. I'm Gloria by the way. 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:22:44 -0700 
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> 
To: Dominic & Maureen Marando <chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Two Doctors Comment 
Message-ID: <338F9984.DF4ATnospambest.com> 
 
Dominic & Maureen Marando wrote: 
>  
> Dan RF wrote: 
>  
> >I have heard of yogis dropping in the lotus position from a small height 
> >and landing on their tailbone to try to cause a kundalini awakening - my 
> >guess is that somewhere, sometime a tailbone/spinal blow was associated 
> >with a spontaneous awakening 
>  
> ....Whoa!!! A light goes on! I had fallen and injured my tailbone, not once 
> but TWICE as a teeneger. My K awakening in my late teens then in late 20s 
> was DEFINATELY spontaneous. 
> .........Anybody else??? Anyone know anything else about this??? 
>  
> Mo 
> the light-hearted traveller who still has a sore tailbone when she sits on a 
> hard surface for a period of time
 
I do a lot of kundalini intervention with badly risen kundalini which 
causes adverse affects (schizophrenia, dementia, etc.), the people just 
FIND me somehow.  They all have a twisted tailbone, which isn't a huge 
problem, but then they all also have some incredible bends to the spine 
(called "compensating" for the tailbone twist) which cause the faulty 
rising. I work with a chiropractor on these people and we "massage" 
their spine and energies back into alignment. The mental symptoms 
disappear within two weeks, usually, physical illness can take longer. 
Morgana 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:48:03 -0700 (PDT) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen? 
Message-Id: <199705310348.UAA09651ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
I was telling a friend just the other day that I thought my memory had come 
back after a few years AWOL.  In trying to figure out why the return I 
recalled re-reading Bringers of the Dawn by Marchiniac and briefly trying 
the recommended spinning routine again...I think that may have done it!  
 
The book recommends spinning from left to right while focusing on the right 
thumb - for more revolutions and more times per day that seems reasonable or 
even doable... . .  and then grounding one's self with firmly planted feet 
and palms together at chest level.  I actually felt a settling of the 
energies lower down after this.  My head had been feeling particularly 
insubstantial.  The exercise is said to enable the body to hold <and> to 
interpret more light. 
 
Please let me know if it is of any help.
 
M 
 
> 
>Kat, 
> 
>I was wondering the same thing. Letters have to be proof-read... twice, 
>sentences have a beginning and an end, no middle. Simple words, no longer 
>simple words. Train-of-thought has gone... out to lunch. Can't sleep, flames 
>everywhere, crappy in the typing dept. Need a book to look up words to be 
>spelled, still not right. Forgot what I went for and why. Made lemonade 
>without lemons. Feet always tingle, Im grounded... I guess. Ah well... maybe 
>tomorrow it will be different. :-) 
>love 'n light  dor (I think )
 
LibraKatll wrote: 
 
>Another thing, has anyone seen my memory?  I seem to have lost it or possibly 
>left it in another dimension.  If found, please return it because my family 
>thinks I didn't just lose my memory, but instead have lost my mind!!! 
> Hmmmm....if anyone sees *that* laying around, too, let me know.  ;-) 
> 
>Sayonara, 
>     Kat 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:00:10 -0700 
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Blue-green algae/ prana 
Message-ID: <338FA24A.1A54ATnospambest.com> 
 
I'm not into health foods the way my husband is. He eats spirulina, I 
eat a salad.  He gets sick all the time, I'm always healthy. Maybe the 
two are connected, maybe not. 
I'm just skeptical of multi-level marketing and their products. 
Here's an interesting warning on blue-green algae, tying it to liver 
toxicity and heart failure. Truth or lies? 
http://www2.csn.net/~hankb/hank/algae.html
 
I don't have enough information to form an opinion on this. This is tied 
to kundalini because a food that feeds prana would be way cool. 
Comments, anyone? 
Morgana (Crusader for conscientious consumption) 
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:34:40 
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> 
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Prana/Tumo fire [was: blue-green algae] 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970530233440.2a976ff4ATnospammail.eskimo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
>I think this was a secondary activation of the Tumo fire, caused  
>by the algae.
 
What is the Tumo fire? 
That is a new term to me.
 
Also wondering about the algae and how it supplies prana. 
The vocabulary is new to me but not the concept.  I knew 
about prana being taken in by the breath, and I've seen 
my pranic tube filled with light...
 
what else do people know about prana?
 
In light, 
ori^ 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:41:28 
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> 
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Auras and K [was: please let this work] 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970530234128.415f6dccATnospammail.eskimo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
>what about auras and kundalini?  that was my first interaction with "k"
 
Hi, 
Don't be cranky, instead maybe tell us more about your interaction with 
auras and kundalini.  Auras are part of the energetic system.  I know I get 
more conscious 
of mine the further I go in this work.  I'm more aware of when my fields have 
gone astray and I need to pull them in close to me. I seem to have no problem 
with expanding them.
 
So maybe if you share your experience others may respond.
 
In light, 
ori^
 
 
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* http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html * 
******  
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 08:32:17 -0400 
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: <<<<<Synchronicity 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970531083217.006985d4ATnospampeconic.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 03:32 AM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote: 
>Hi Dan, 
> 
>I read your post on shaktipat being colletive hysteria.... 
> 
>I don't know about your experience, but I never heard of kundalini or 
>shaktipat in my life, I was travelling another path in my life... a non 
>mystical one for sure, I had no devotion or much belief in deities when 
>someone gave me the book I AM THAT by Baba Muktananda, where he teaches 
>the mantra HAM SA... I started to repeat it as I fell asleep most nights 
>for weeks....I got shaktipat..!!!! 
> 
>I did not know what it was, I just knew that I had a strong desire to 
>meditate which I never had before, when I meditated my body started to 
>move to adopt postures and all this electricity ran through my spine, I 
>got very scared and started calling the friend who gave me the book, he 
>did not know much of what was happening, he had not experienced those 
>symptoms. So I called the Siddha Yoga center and spoke to a lady there 
>who told me not to worry that it was natural.... 
> 
>The point is that I had no collective hysteria situation to "believe" 
>that I was going through mystical experiences. It just happened, and 
>when I started to read about it, I was amazed how precise the 
>descriptions were.
 
----------------------------------------------- 
>Do you still think that it is the guru's ego that creates an illusion? 
----------------------------------------------- 
I am thinking that you are searching for a reason to 
love all, because the onlyreason that we are doing 
this is love, love, love, it is the heart and soul of 
any romance, of any enlightenment, of any anything 
designed to enable a soul to outlast any troubles 
 here on earth, so there is not ego of a Guru involved 
unless He is an up and coming One and does not 
love Himself or others, He has to realize that to 
underplay His Intentions and albilities to heal 
and soothes others is just as egotistical as to 
show it off. The brave souls that do it blatantly 
 and freely do not last unless they are in  
syncronististy with the Gods of everyones romance... 
For Love is the single most effective way to advance 
as a Guru in the making, for it is acceptable 
 by most except the ones who make it their business 
to do the oppersite of that and dam the flow of 
infinity and cause the Cosmic Seas of Love to 
 stop the hearts of the Gods of Love....Impossible 
to do? Yes!!!
 
You are too much, Lissette, welcome home to 
Love, 
Ravin' Raven, 
~V~ 
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>In search of truth, 
> 
>Lissette 
> 
> 
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:02:19 -0400 
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net> 
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: please let this work...God did answer 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970531090219.00696398ATnospampeconic.net> 
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Hello, 
 this is a Guru of Light and Life being channeled, 
now, you are interested in auras and kundalini, 
auras, are the life force visible to the single third 
 eye between the eyebrows, a spiritual facility 
 designed to see all the worlds of God, and the 
kundalini is the magnetic electrical force of 
the love of God rising up from the earth, in   
it's search for it's Beloved, the Holy Spirit,  
which, usually reaches down from above, alias,the Word of God, or,the 
Cosmic Sun of Love, 
down through the Human, head, heart, and soul, 
to reach it's Beloved, the kundalini shakti force, 
and, they, mingle, and jingle, and the sparks 
fly, like the forth of July, until, it rises up like 
a Cresendo, they are in Love, until it reaches 
the third eye, and it spins, this sight, and  
woe, betide, the eye of horus,a revealing sight, 
so the right Way to do this Light is to flow 
it up right, do it to the heart first, ala Bakti 
yoga straight up, and plunk your bet down that it is 
the most sound principle in the study of God that;
 
A proper foundation of love in thy heart 
 before fooling too, much, with the other loves 
 of course, that is love of knowledge, and truth, 
and glory, I suppose, listen, the love in the  
heart is all you need, the surplus does runneth 
over anyway and you get in trouble that way 
spiritually, and then you have a Guru come your 
 Way to put a lid on the Works if you or he cant 
handle the flow!!!! See, the work of the Guru 
is not always a bed of Roses. 
Love. 
Victoria's Secret Guru 
~V~
 
 
At 11:55 PM 5/29/97 -0600, you wrote: 
>this is my third or fourth try in three days...if it doesn't work i'll  
>be cranky... 
>what about auras and kundalini?  that was my first interaction with "k" 
>h. 
> 
>
 
 
At 11:55 PM 5/29/97 -0600, you wrote: 
>this is my third or fourth try in three days...if it doesn't work i'll  
>be cranky... 
>what about auras and kundalini?  that was my first interaction with "k" 
>h. 
> 
> 
Date: Sat, 31 May 97 15:10:43 GMT 
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Prana/Tumo fire [was: blue-green algae] 
Message-Id: <M.053197.101043.15ATnospamcenturyinter.net>
 
Tumo or dumo fire is written about mostly in Tibetan Tantric Yoga practices,  
and in Tibetan Buddhist liturature. It is a Tan - tien chakra manifestation,  
that is roughly the chakra just in back of the navel. The tumo is activated  
through concentrating the K- force to express through that chakra, and the  
outer physical manifestation is physical heating or cooling of the auric field  
surrounding the person. There are stories of initiate monks who are tested in  
Tibet, by being stripped naked and sent out into the snow to meditate. They  
activate the tumo fire, and are known to melt the snows around them in a radius  
of 12 feet.For furthur information read about the life of the Great Tibetan  
yogi Jetsun Milarepa. 
Date: Sat, 31 May 97 15:19:33 GMT 
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Forgotten/lost/stolen? 
Message-Id: <M.053197.101933.73ATnospamcenturyinter.net>
 
Often in order to "change the wiring from 110 to 220" some of the old circuits  
have to be temporarily unplugged. This is especially true of the concrete mind  
re. intellectual. The people who have type A personalities, who are articulate  
, manually and mentally skilled with good memory, and good control over their  
environment are the first to notice this change. Fear of the loss of this  
faculty can lead to a major paranoia, if allowed to get out of hand. Try  
allowing yourself to switch to the non-dominant part of the brain, and seek to  
express your articulation through creative means other than those usually used.  
E.G. try writing or drawing with the non dominant hand. This technique is  
called cerebral crossover. and can be very revealing to one's self about those  
things which are trying to surface. 
Date: Sat, 31 May 97 15:41:03 GMT 
From: cen06681ATnospamcenturyinter.net 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Prana/Tumo fire [was: blue-green algae] 
Message-Id: <M.053197.104103.11ATnospamcenturyinter.net>
 
Prana is life force, about which much has been written in the Hindu - Brahman,  
Jain and Buddhist Traditions. An encapsulated definition might include the idea  
that there are four main types of prana. Atomic prana, this is life force which  
emanates from every atom manifest in creation. This leads to the postulates and  
doctrines written about the consciousness of the atom. The second type is  
personal or bodily prana, which coarses through animal , plant, and human ,  
indavidualized organisms. We here on this file refer to an aspect of this prana  
within the human - super human kingdom, as Kundalini or Shakti. The third type  
of prana is planetary prana or life force. This enthrills the next devic  
involutionary - evolutionary step, and allows us to manifest our forms ( mostly  
the three lower form  Physical, emotional-astral, and mental) according to the  
incoming ray aspects which are peculiar to our position in the solar system.  
The forth and highest form of prana is Solar prana. This prana eminates to us  
from the Dyhani Koans who reside at the center of our sun.This prana is the  
underlying life force of the universe, and comes into our world in the form of  
phlogistine, which is the essence of light illumine. It is this same prana  
which we begin to see in the halos and transfigured auras of saints and yogis.  
By the way, I forgot to sign my last post - sorry. 
     I am Lindewey. Hope this was helpful!
 
 
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