1997/05/27 03:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #253
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 253
Today's Topics:
Space-time vanishes, the binary of void & space-time, and other observations.
List Mystress Speaks! List PMS.
Re: Kundalini
Re: Kundalini (never heard of it . . .)
Re: focus
in focus
Re: mysterious sign?
Re: St Patrick and St Michael
Fire-Breath
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 00:11:31 -0400
From: "L. D. McClanahan, Ph.D." <ldmcclATnospameurekanet.com>
To: k-list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Space-time vanishes, the binary of void & space-time, and other observations.
Message-ID: <338A5EF3.7ABFATnospameurekanet.com>
Hello k-listers:
Since returning from India the middle of January my practice and other
obligations have meant no time to do more than read and "lurk" and
occasionally comment. So, I have only about 950 messages to read but
will share some information and observations.
1. I have not been able to verify the science of the following facts
as stated, but believe they are worth consideration considering many of
the recent posts.
a. At 10 to the -32 power cm, according to Einstein's equations,
space-time collapses into the void. We talk about how
time is an illusion, well...
b. At 14 times/second space-time and the void vibrate back and
forth. We talk about meditating, reaching the void
and/or experiencing bliss, well...
2. We each identify ourselves on this list by some form of name to
which we hinge some meaning, whether professional or otherwise.
Recently some of those names and accruements have been either affirmed
as one's narcissistic ego identification or disparaged in lieu of
disagreement about another's points-or-view. In semantics, the word is
not the thing. Our name is not who or what we are. YHWH has no
vowels. In essence we are more than any name or label. Too strong
identification with any label is folly. To quote T.S. Elliot from The
Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrok,
And I have known the eyes already,
Known them all--
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase.
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how shall I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?
And how shall I presume?
3. For the one who labels herself, Mistress ..., and did not get into
the U.S.A. and likes to dominate, I ponder the possible spiritual
influences creating her identity as head of this list, and doing a great
job, where leadership of a more subtle nature is required. What lessons
are being learned?
4. For the one who labels himself, Lobster ..., and started
communicating in paradoxes designed to draw others into interesting,
conflicting dialogues, only to begin to reveal much more depth and
subtlety, and opinions. What lessons are being learned?
5. For myself, I'd like my picture included among you, since I
identify with your personal struggles with Kundalini, healing energies
et al, when I can find the picture I want to send. It shows me sitting
in my office looking smart and alert, with my clipboard and pen, ready
to write down some comments so that I can better help someone sort out
some fragment of his/her life. The lessons we learn...
6. In India, Dr. Amit Goswami, quantum physicist, author of The Self
Aware Universe, constantly talked about how our wishes and creations of
ourself collapse out of the wave function into physicality. "Be careful
what you wish for..." L.D.
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:26:52
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: List Mystress Speaks! List PMS.
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970525232652.095f20ceATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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So everybody listen up, eh? Heh Heh..
My ISP does down for the weekend and all heck bust loose. Whew!
Seems to have mostly resolved itself, it usually does.
However I'll add my $.02 anyways...
This list is tied to planetary cycles, like the cycles of Women.
Every month the list as a group entity goes through some PMS.
Post Moon Syndrome.
Did anyody else notice a Full moon on thursday?
Full moon sparking blue moonlight K. fires, moving electric through our
bodies and minds, and doing it's healing work bringing up all of the issues
of the moment to be released in the days following. Sound familiar lately??
I hardly ever get Pre menstrual syndrome anymore since I have realized
that I am a Goddess, but part of that healing process was to take a clear
look at what was happening at those times.
I realized that physically and emotionally, it was a kind of
housekeeping. Minor annoyances and issues would suddenly blow up into huge
drama and I would use the cranky energy to remove them or deal with them,
and then they would be gone. Resolved. Over.
Next month there would be different things coming up.
My beloveds, being tied to my energy would also go through an impatient
and moody phase, and issues between us would be made clearer as well.
We on this list are all tied together, by the powerful energy exchange
thru email we playfully call "shaktipat online", by the phases of the moon
and the life force of the planet. Over 300 of us that share the cyberspace
of K.list and K. list digest, with more joining every day.
Sometimes reading K.List mail makes me sweat, and it's not the words,
it's the K. fire that clings to the post moving through me. Shaktipat
online... use it to tune into the message behind the words.
It is helpful when posting to realize everything sent to the List Address
(and some things sent personally to wise Lobster... please cut it out with
the reposts, Dude...)
...will be sent to and persumably read by an audience of well over 300
people. From there it will be immortalized in the KS archives by
Reference.com for anyone on the net who knows the URL to seek out and read
later.
Not to make anyone self conscous or anything, but do remember to think
thrice and post once, so to speak... and realize also the level of
Awakening means that many members are reading mail by esp more than by
words written, and often responses are to subtext percieved rather than
message text. Everything gets read through personal filters, anyway.. All
a mirror..
For new members who want to get to know old members better, the URL for
reference.com K. list Archives is in my Sig., and the archives are
searchable: look up a member's address and read everything they have
written since December.
This is a resource that is not to be underestimated. The list is nearly a
year old, we are on digest #250. Many of the things brought up by new
members get little response because they have been discussed to pieces on
the list previously, and who wants to retype?
Search the archives by topic and read stuff by members who said all they
needed to say, then departed.
Keep bringing up experiences, tho... more input more input.. I have a
hungry mind and good questions make me dig up good answers and remind me of
what is true for me. Share and enjoy, sings the Robot choir of the Sirius
Cyberbetics corp.
The full moon comes and some of us get hairy palms and claws and start
howling, with the intensity of Blue K. fire madness shredding rational
thinking for primal emotion and others hear the howling and join in, soon
the list is a pack of howler monkeys... :)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
We thrash things out with each other, in the mirror of unity that we are.
Then we calm down and forgive each other and ourselves and GROUP CYBER
HUG!!!
Soothing and humorous love energies sent with this post...
___ ____ ___
____( \ .-' `-. / )____
(____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____)
(____ `-----( ) )-----' ____)
(____ _____________\ \____/ /_____________ ____)
(______/ `-.____.-' \______)
Hugs makes everyones day brighter and more cheerful
***************************(art by Timmy)
Whenever K. fires up there is an ecstatic place, then a crash as the
healing energy goes to work bringing up issues for resolution, so the
ecstatic place can stay longer next time....
Happens every month. Then things go smoother again for a while, till the
next solar flare or whatever sparks more fireworks...
*
.... Whoa! on my TV just now was a very surreal film of men in business
suits and shoes doing synchronized swimming, shot underwater and at odd
upsidedown angles like the cameraperson was doing synchronized swimming
too... followed by a brief shot of a sexy naked male angel walking with
televisions strapped to his feet like odd sandals.
TV seems to have changed a lot since I watched it last... told my slave
to turn it off again anyways... ************************
This list is rarely a flame war zone, but it is helpful to remember that
in cyberspace no-one can hear you laugh, unless you write out the sound
effect like I did, above. No-one can see you smile unless you draw your
smile sideways and even them many folks don't realize that this:
=-)
or this
:)
is a sideways smile.
They are called "smileys" or "smilicons" and they are a code of facial
expressions.
This:
;P
is a lavicous winking smile with tongue stuck out. There are hundreds of
them. Do a search. I like to invent new ones, preferably obscene/cute
ones. (^)<==3
Sarcasm, deadpan humor and irony are likely to be misinterpreted unless
spelled out as such. Be clear in communications. Text only has limits, even
with K. fire added.
In closing, I would just like to remind everyone to be bandwidth
friendly and snip out as much of the post you are responding to as
possible, when posting to the list.
And do the "I agree, thanks for the post" thing direct to the author.
The list is configured so "reply" goes to the author, not to the list,
and this is to encourage members to pop off warm fuzzies to each other
about posts they appreciate, off the list.
Thank Goddess not all 300+ members post all the time, because the list
would soon topple of it's own weight and become so voluminous as to be
effectively useless.
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 00:37:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: CDeepaATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini
Message-ID: <970527003740_-596899579ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
Hi all ....I have only written a few times on here....but I would like to
know if there is anyone who is on this mailing list that has gone thru most
of or all of the kundalini process....and how ...." they" got thru..it...to
the " other side"....does this question make sense....??? I have been going
thru this for 12.5 years....has anyone else been for this long????...are
there any signs to look for when it may change....I guess i have been in the
dark nite ....or the zen winter.....I have heard different terms for
this....when the experience of this is mostly frightening and annoying...and
very difficult.....I have read this will end and a new experience will
come....one of a more "positive" nature....one that is experienced as bliss
and oneness....if that can even describe it.......I had a
instantaneous.....sudden...kundalini thing....i wasn't even spiritual...or
trying to have it ...it came out of nowhere.....and i only figured it was of
a spiritual nature two years ago......so...if anyone has any
advice.....please help........................Cdeepa
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:30:57
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini (never heard of it . . .)
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At 23:59 26/05/97 -0400, LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Lobster,
>Wish I could find some of the books you listed!! Any sources on the web that
>might have some of them?
>Thanks, Kat
>
The K. list website had information for ordering all of the books it lists
from Amazon books, online.
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:31:07 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: focus
Message-ID: <338A638B.2A46ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
LionessATnospamtrust-me.com wrote:
> Lillemor replies to Aaron:
>
> If you think that I'm egoistic when I speak in conviction.....I just shake
> my head !
>
> Thanks otherwise for the yelling at this very unethical Lobster.
> That guy is not only ignorant, but unethical and everything else then humble !
Your spiritual perceptions amaze me and I hope other people are suitably
impressed and not laughing :)
I may be all the things you suggest, in fact they are true but as a
spiritual person you will doubtless forgive me but how sad that I have
to tell you and you do not volunteer.
> I really wonder what list I subscribed to, and I can say that it doesn't feel
> like a safe place to share experiences that is about kundalini.
> Those powers is not yo play with stupid Lobster, and not with me eather.
This is a very safe place - very safe - you are respected - your ego
however . . . well what we do with egos is expose them and laugh. If
you feel insulted I am sorry. If you feel violated I am sorry. If you
leave I will be sorry but if you stay, there are things you may share
and many wonderful people here. There are many gentle souls whose
sensitivities I would never violate. You however claimed to be spiritual
- that is a big claim. If you can live up to it we will respect you. If
you are prepared to change we will respect you. If you have knowledge we
will listen. You are more than welcome here and no disrespect is
intended.
> I suggest strongly that people don't lash out there projections if we gonna
> have a conversation here - otherwise I will definitely not be long here, that's
> for sure.
>
> My humble oppinion that is grounded on
> profound and devotional spiritual work.
> Lillemor
My Dear Lillemor,
Please stay, you will develop a taste for Lobster. Here is a question
for you, what is the best response to those who are unkind?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:55:52 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: in focus
Message-ID: <338A7768.6C35ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
maeror wrote:
> HE is ignorant, HE is unethical, HE is the antithesis to all that is
> humble! Look upon him friends, for he is the embodiment of all that is
> foul in this _world of ours_! We must cast him out, for evil has no place
> within the human experience! Darkness must be defeated, pain must be
> hidden away, the unrighteous will be smitten!
Hooray! [Lobster dancing with glee at the prospect of his demise]
> Not even kundalini, the serpent, the tempter, the master of the abyss, can
> be trusted... if left to its own devices it will bring up your hidden
> fears and lusts and put them on display for all to see. You must control
> it, fight it, don't let it get the upper hand! If you do then all is
> lost... you will stop seeing differences and start seeing people!
Are you saying that kundalini has a dark side? No wonder someone keeps
saying "kill the snake".
> Thank you my 'stupid' shelled friend, for you have removed my doubts. It
> is unfortunate I did not find you sooner, I might have been saved the
> price of a round trip ticket to Hell. ;-)
You make me smile :) The places we have to visit in order to realise
where we are going . . .
> Read the Tao Te Ching and the Dhammapada. Multiple translations are
> available on the web. You might want to skim the New Testament as well,
> just for kicks. I recommend Stan Rosenthal's translation of the Tao Te
> Ching for beginners, it seems to be somewhat easier to understand. There
> are other texts on the net written/compiled by him as well.
>
> My humble opinion that is grounded on ordinary and lazy spiritual
> wanderings. Someone tell me if I'm being an ass. ;-)
This is wonderful advice. Of course people think that reading something
is the same as being changed by it.
> I love you, Lillemor. You remind me of... me.
We all Love Lillemor - wait one minute - she is you - and me.
> P.S. I hate myself and I wanna die. Can I borrow your chainsaw and cut
> out the good parts for charity?
You are right to hate yourself as that is the one person you should not
trust. At this rate you could die in the next few lives but best go for
this one.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:36:56 +0200 (MDT)
From: japserATnospamwin.tue.nl
To: dzenATnospamtransit.samara.ru (Dmitry Zayakin), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: mysterious sign?
Message-Id: <199705270936.LAA17021ATnospamwsannw13.win.tue.nl>
Content-Type: text
Dmitry Zayakin said:
>
> I lay on the bed with high temperature and closed eyes. Suddenly from the
> deep darkness begun to appear these symbols ( see the File). I saw them
> very clearly. They were a golden colour and lowerred on me one for the
> others.
> I don't know why, but I took a pen and drew them.
>
> Maybe someone knows what are they mean and where are they from?
Hi,
Finally i was able to decode them, when i looked at the symbols one
by one i had the dinstinct feeling that they were somehow clinging to
my chakras and felt them opening.
could be my imagination, but `works' for me. Thanks!
> Love and Peace
> Dmitry
> ------=_NextPart_000_01BC5669.FAC68400
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Images.BMP"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Description: Images (Bitmap Image)
>
[SNIP]
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_01BC5669.FAC68400--
>
Someone need a uuencoded version of these symbols?, i thought
people where having trouble with the file
--
Smile,
Jasper
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 04:35:24
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: St Patrick and St Michael
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970526043524.229faabaATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Why is everybody being so mean to Serpent and Dragons, lately?
At 14:00 24/05/97 +0100, Tom Aston wrote:
>but can anyone explain to me why he drove the serpents out of Ireland
>rather than simply taming them or killing them or making them dance....
>
>and where did they go ?
>
>is this a metaphorical description of Christian dualistic consciousness
>and alienation from the shadow which gives rise to devil and satan and
>dark forces etc which must be driven out rather than acknowledged and
>transmuted....
>Yogi Tom
Sigh. This stuff again.
The Serpent is the Great Mother Earth Goddess of pagan religion.
It is metaphorical for christian conversion.
Mary tramples on the poor Serpent...
Buddah is sheltered by it.
Given the unusually high Faerie population of the Magic isle,
and the power of the Old Ways there... St. Patrick was bragging.
The serpents didn't like it, so they left.
>
>ps the point to this is that St Michael keeps on knocking at my door in
>unexpected ways, but i'm not quite sure what he's telling me.....
>--
>Tom Aston
>
(giggle)He visits me, too. I feel his prescence.
Doesn't seem to say much...
I recently got a face in the mirror that looks exactly like a channelled
painting of him on Spiritweb.org
What a hunk!
Not to worry, Tom.
Archangel Michael is much older than patriarchal religion.
Blessings, Angelique.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Swami Beyondananda on the Golden Rule: "It seems that when
masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:43:46 +0200
From: Christian <reuplanATnospamreumiller.vol.at>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Fire-Breath
Message-ID: <01BC6A94.A6110A90ATnospamline21.isdn.tele.net>
Hello !
If anybody is looking for a very good description of the Fire-Breath and the Heart-pleasuring, look for the following book:
Star Warrior, Story from Swift Deer (Deer Tribe), written by Bill Wahlberg, Bear & Company.
I think that this is an excellente source.
Christian
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