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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #239


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 239
Today's Topics: [Fwd: Reaction to E Jason on being Human]
  What we go through a poem for Pentecost
  another poem Re: Sophia
  Re: Sophia another poem
  Re: new sources the list is invaluable - living proof in Sophia responses
  I am that too Odyssey to Nothing
  Poem... Re: new sources
  on being Human Wrongs and Wounds
  UN-subscribing kundalini
  Re: UN-subscribing Re: Emotional wisdom
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 07:46:36 -0400 From: "Aakhet Center For Human Development"
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 07:12:59 -0400 From: "Dana KaMau Dennard, Ph.D."
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Greetings!
I thought your comments were very useful, and I wanted to attach
something to them. I don't get to chat on here much because of my schedule but I try to read what everyone has said every so many days.
What I can attest to after the past 26 years of conscious attention on
the path, is that spirit (which is the dynamic creative intelligence that we call the universe, among other things) is beyond feelings and
mind, and is therefore neither logical nor bound by emotions, no matter how totally human we become. As humans, we perceive the movement
(currents, rhythms, emanations, etc.) via the interface of the illusive polar opposites and filter all of those perceived variations on the
cosmic melodies through our sensory systems. Our final interpretations are mostly based on reality systems given to us by our cultures, which
often leave us little room to experience other "interpretations". I have found that to the degree that we can become more of a witness
rather than assume a logical, "rational" posture about every moment, the more the higher intelligence will reveal to our senses a more complete
connection (understanding) of the play of life that has unfolded in our midst.
To be more human is to be absolutely open to the actions of spirit that
binds us simultaneously to the earth plane as well as the "sky" (the other dimensions of our being), and we become more conscious of our very
presence (and everything else that appears) as god incarnate on this earth plane. Be ware that this is an extremely vulnerable position to
be in because your reality is constantly changing as you become more aware of dynamics beneath the obvious. It takes many years to become
comfortable with a faith in the cosmic constants (a plane of principles in the ocean of the unseen). This is why many are called but few are
chosen. To reach this comfort level, I have found that you must let go and tolerate much of that which is not particularly logical (in the
moment that spirit moves you) and often emotionally overwhelming (because the power and movement of spirit is sensed through our
emotional bodies). This is why the awakening of kundalini, which I have experienced from initiation 22 years ago, has often been described as
potentially dangerous. Many experiences come to the initialized person, regardless of the source of that awakening, that are beyond the logic of
your parents, doctors, scientists, priests, etc. Only another person who has traveled that path and moved far enough along to comprehended
those trips can explain it in connection with your pattern of growth and maturation.
Finally, the origin of this word human is quite revealing. The word has
very ancient roots. Hu-man, is brought to English from: Hu (Hue) = derived from Twa or Kemetu language (ie., Egyptian) meaning "to utter"
as well as "tone, quality or attenuation"; and Man = recently from latin as Mana (as in bread or substance from heaven), = originally from Twa or
Kemetu (as Mn translates into a meaning like "the God of the perfect black seed". Therefore, the human is the expression of the divine seed
or substance. It is noteworthy that we have found through biology that all of us humans begin at conception as a black dot (melanocell), an
expression of this reality which was well known to the ancient priests of Africa, who also wrote about the serpentine fire in pictures even
before the perfection of the medu netcher (Hieroglyphs)= "word of principles or natures (ie., God)".
I hope this commentary is useful to readers.
Peace, moving to perfection,
Baba KaMau
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: M
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>I hope this commentary is useful to readers. >
>Peace, moving to perfection, >
>Baba KaMau
Very useful, thank you. These parts took years for me to learn and it is
very comforting to see them affirmed:
>your reality is constantly changing as you become more
>>aware of dynamics beneath the obvious.
>beyond the logic of >>your parents, doctors, scientists, priests, etc. Only another person
>>who has traveled that path and moved far enough along to comprehended >>those trips can - it in connection with you
Thanks and welcome here,
M Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 02:39:16 +0100
From: Tom Aston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: a poem for Pentecost Message-ID:
Poem for Pentecost
A woman says
"I want to understand your Tree of Life"
Roots go so deep
Healing the past
Understanding what has happened
Sharing and Nurturing Understanding
We become greater than Ourselves
Through Silence we learn to Communicate
When Silence and Communication are One
We discover who We Really Are
In Harmony with Nature
We find Peace
With Peace comes Love
Love nurtures the Sacred
Leading us to Light
Yogi Tom - May 18th 1997
-- Tom Aston
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 21:56:46 -0400 From: brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com (brenda asterino)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: another poem
Message-Id:     We have been called
We have been called
by a resurrection of life that is beyond all culture
We have been called by a quantum leap of body and mind change
We have been called
to nurture all that strives for completeness
We have been called to kill (or embrace?) the Ego before it kills the child
We have been called
to serve God, Earth, and Humankind
We have been called.
Brenda M. Asterino c. 6/96
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:01:52 -0700 From: Ken McFarland
To: Tom Aston Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sophia Message-id:
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At 03:42 PM 5/18/97 +0100, Tom Aston wrote: >I came across Sophia yesterday
>does anyone know anything at all about her ?
>From the First Book of PISTIS SOPHIA: "And Jesus said to his disciples: 'I am come forth out of the First Mystery,
which is the last mystery, that is the four-and-twentieth mystery.' " (p. 1)
"Other Gnostic groups held that there were three types of people--"spiritual," "psychic," and "material"--and that only the first two
can be saved. The Pistis Sophia (3rd century) is preoccupied with the question of who finally will be saved. Those who are saved must renounce the
world completely and follow the pure ethic of love and compassion. They will then be identified with Jesus and become rays of the divine Light." (Britannica)
Mead, G. R. S. (1921) Pistis Sophis: A Gnostic Gospel. New York: Spiritual
Science Library.
Sincerely, Ken
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:10:02 -0400 From: Ken McFarland (by way of brenda asterino )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Sophia
Message-Id: Ken wrote:
>I came across Sophia yesterday >does anyone know anything at all about her ?
According to _A Dictionary of Angels including the fallen angels_ by Gustav
Davidson
pg 226 "Pistis Sophia ('faith', 'wisdom') -- a female aeon, one of the greatest in gnostic lore. She is said to have procreated 'the superior
angels'. It was Pistis Sophia who sent the serpent to entice Adam and Eve. [Rf. Mead, Pistis Sophia] According to the _Texts of the Saviour_, she is
the daughter of Barbelo (q.v.)."
Brenda Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:20:04 -0400
From: David Bozzi To: Kundalini
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I was dreaming revolution.
Caught in the scheme of evolution.
Strangers everywhere. I didn't know where to go.

Then from the sky a dove did descend.
It led me to the sea.
The waves danced.
Took me into a trance.
And under colors green and blue. Of the most beautiful hue.
I heard what it means to be free.
I heard it in the psalm of the whale.
Never be cruel.
Whatever you do. Your brother is a part of you.

I heard it in the psalm of the whale.
Tide washes over me.
The Father blesses me. I'm leaving the wars behind.
All they've done was make us blind.
Wine of suffering. How we've thrived on pain.
Why do they cry? Trying to get high?
I can't subscribe to that game.
There's got to be another way.
I heard it in the psalm of the whale.
Never be cruel. Whatever you do.
Your brother is a part of you. Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 03:22:25 +0100
From: Tom Aston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, susan carlson
Subject: Re: new sources Message-ID:
In message , susan carlson
 writes >hello all,
> >i am always looking for people who know of more ways to use their
>kundalini for self awareness, their own transformation and their own >healing.
> >what types of meditations did you use? tell me more!
> >i am a former registered nurse who worked in critical care for years.
>i am fascinated with self healing especially with such ecstatic energy >as kundalini. anything you can pass along as techniques or newer
>literature rather than the ancient and esoteric would be greatly >appreciated.
> >blessings,
> >susan
> >p.s. compact, concise, and to the point is greatly appreciated. i am
>very results oriented. thanx. >
> the best techniques for Yogi Tom:
deep sleep and lucid dreams,
relaxation in general, specifically corpse pose of yoga (savasana),
holistic body work, especially for aligning vertebrae
sunbathing, fresh fruit and nuts, skinny dipping in ice cold lakes
listening to Bach,
rocking to Hendrix, preferably on headphones
brahmacharya (chastity and sublimating sexuality),
living with a direct awareness of the heart and of the breath,
speaking and writing the truth,
refusing to compromise what one knows to be true
learning not to internalise other people's conditioning
letting go of the fear that makes one respond to other people's egos
listening very carefully to the heart
learning to die to the Light
forgetting the physical sheath
always going deeper......
result: One Healthy Happy Healed Yogi with Integrated Psyche

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_____
>Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com >
--
Tom Aston Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 03:42:38 +0100
From: Tom Aston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the list is invaluable - living proof in Sophia responses Message-ID:
dear readers.....
in case anyone is wondering whether the list works on a spiritual
level....
well, it does for me....
a simple openended request for info on Sophia brings three excellent responses within a day that are highly enlightening....
the info was straightforward, profound and perfect for my needs
what more could one ask for ?
regards Yogi Tom in Cyberheaven
thanks again to responders Ken, Lobster and dor -
bodhisattvas of the net
-- Tom Aston
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:16:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Nothing Is
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: I am that too
Message-ID: I AM THAT TOO
Looking downward...
All to been seen is primordial energy, transcendence through the dance of consciousness
that builds here and now. Look up...
A subtle understanding, the fruit of the great dance:
the dissolving of the great walls of separation, great content in knowing I am that too.
bye, nothing is
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:22:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Nothing Is
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Odyssey to Nothing
Message-ID: ODYSSEY TO NOTHING
Wandering aimlessly,
in search of nothing, with emptiness on my mind.
My mind reflects everything, but clings to nothing.
Hanging like a thread between a world of illusions
and eternity. What need have I for this,
what need have I for that. I exist wholly unto myself,
drunken on the sweet nectar of the Tao.
bye, NOTHING IS
Date: 19 May 97 10:26:21 From: Sen Ashanka/AIS spa/IT
To: kundalini-l Subject: Poem...
Message-Id: Back to Infinity
============

Daily meditation in the night Fancy and consciousness take the flight
Clouds of blue and azure abound The spirit free to roam around.
The feelings of joy surpassed
Far beyond the known wonders. The mind and body feel at peace
All is well with the world, at ease.
All the painful times pass
As like a bad dream long forgotten The grandeur of the Lord takes its place
Blessing the world with His heavenly grace.
Is it for real, that this world is false ? All that seems so true, all this is nought ?
All the heartburns, tears, laughter and fun, Are all these but an idle imagination ?
Well, maybe so, so wake up and realise
Life is more than what meets the eyes. We have no bounds, no chains of clay
But our own feelings and doubts to be thrown away.
We are the Infinite, the unbound and free
We who think should think beyond just "me". We are the stuff Gods are made of,
We are that when our mind is shut off.
Men, women, children of the world, rejoice !
We can and will unite with the Lord by choice. Let go of all the bad dreams of finititude
Life is nothing but a little playful interlude.
Life is but a little playful interlude In which our quest for Lord we must include
This is where we came from and this is where we go... For this is where we came from and this is where we go.

Love and cheers Ashanka Sen
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 06:03:53 -0400 From: brenda.asterinoATnospamdragonbbs.com (brenda asterino)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: new sources
Message-Id: Tom... this is a beautiful answer... altho I abstained for many years...
I don't think permanent chastity is necessary... Even tho tantric has developed a bad name thru some avenues... there is value there also.
Your thots?
Also, I would add craniosacral work for the vertebrae and spinal fluid. Some massage therapists and chiropractors practice it. Comes from the
Upledger Institute in Florida.
Also, over time, especially the last 8 years, I have come to appreciate the importance of community more and believe that we are not just to be
developing individually but also to be nurturing a community development. This is not being said well... and I do feel strongly that it is very important.
I will be saving this response.... and sharing it.
Thank you, Tom.
Brenda
Tom Wrote:
 best techniques for Yogi Tom: >
>deep sleep and lucid dreams, >
>relaxation in general, specifically corpse pose of yoga (savasana), >
>holistic body work, especially for aligning vertebrae >
>sunbathing, fresh fruit and nuts, skinny dipping in ice cold lakes >
>listening to Bach, >
>rocking to Hendrix, preferably on headphones >
>brahmacharya (chastity and sublimating sexuality), >
>living with a direct awareness of the heart and of the breath, >
>speaking and writing the truth, >
>refusing to compromise what one knows to be true >
>learning not to internalise other people's conditioning >
>letting go of the fear that makes one respond to other people's egos >
>listening very carefully to the heart >
>learning to die to the Light >
>forgetting the physical sheath >
>always going deeper...... >
>result: One Healthy Happy Healed Yogi with Integrated Psyche >
> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>_____ >>Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
>> >
>-- >Tom Aston
> >
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:31:14 -0700 From: E Jason
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CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: on being Human
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Aakhet Center For Human Development wrote:
> Greetings!
> I thought your comments were very useful, and I wanted to attach > something to them. I don't get to chat on here much because of my
> schedule but I try to read what everyone has said every so many days.
Hi, Welcome, thank you for finding the time.
> What I can attest to after the past 26 years of conscious attention on
> the path, is that spirit (which is the dynamic creative intelligence > that we call the universe, among other things) is beyond feelings and
> mind, and is therefore neither logical nor bound by emotions, no matter > how totally human we become.
What you say is perfectly true. Spirit is also amoral in some aspects
and can be perverted to lower uses. Therefore the perfection of the human qualities is so important. It is also true that the more subtle
aspects of the Spirit or Ka can not be bound or confined by the gross human mind and emotions. We try and perfect or refine ourselves to be
aware of the subtle rather than the euphoric states that some see as the movement of the Spirit when in fact they are the distortion of the
Spirit. The ideal awareness is centered on the Spirit (indeed is Spirit) and
expressed through the Human.
> As humans, we perceive the movement
> (currents, rhythms, emanations, etc.) via the interface of the illusive > polar opposites and filter all of those perceived variations on the
> cosmic melodies through our sensory systems. Our final interpretations > are mostly based on reality systems given to us by our cultures, which
> often leave us little room to experience other "interpretations". I > have found that to the degree that we can become more of a witness
> rather than assume a logical, "rational" posture about every moment, the > more the higher intelligence will reveal to our senses a more complete
> connection (understanding) of the play of life that has unfolded in our > midst.
Everything you say is true. The problem in the spiritual world is not
peoples ignorance but their knowledge. They know bits and pieces. They have read of what constitutes wisdom of how a spiritual person behaves
and so on. They therefore have overlayed existing cultural conditioning with spiritual conditioning. If they looked to their own Heart and
Purity; again and again looking, seeking, sensing the Highest of which they are capable they will begin to see the manifestion of Spirit, Love
and Knowledge in all things at all times. It is in this sense the capacity to Listen, to hear the message in all
things that develops the first genuine spiritual capacity from which all others come.
"Be Still and Know I am God"
Most Kind Regards
Ed Jason Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 03:56:25 -0700
From: Ken McFarland To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Some people hang onto the past.
Some dwell in nostalgia; the bittersweet rememberance of joy and good pleasures from things close to the heart, now lost.
Others stay mired in the pain of past wrongs.
Perhaps there have been great evils in the past:
 -- loved ones tortured, brutalized, or murdered; -- innocent victims violated, or abused;
 -- denigration of one's culture, race, heritage; We are right to feel offended, victimized, or transgressed.
It is a righteous wound we endure. We cannot - nay - will not, forgive.
Retribution is sought in the name of equity. And yet, who suffers?
How do we transform events we have experienced as:
 wrong; despicable;
 violations of basic decency; shaming;
 transgressions of personal rights; degrading of our honor?
How do we transform intolerable events into acceptance, ending our
punishment? How do we bring peace in the place of righteous anger or rage?
Ken Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:34:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: KjeldskovATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: UN-subscribing Message-ID:
How do I un-subscribe to the kundalini news letter?
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:37:42 From: Melissa Shubha Smith
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: kundalini
Message-Id: <<<<SNIP>>>>>>i am always looking for people who know of more ways to
use their >kundalini for self awareness, their own transformation and their own
>healing. > SNIP>>>
Last Night on the IRC #)Gaia*Friends( Channel there was a presentation on: Your Personal Truth
The moderator (SusanRose) was discussing a book Called "God On A Harley"
which has 6 commandments for Living. I haven't read the book but the commandments felt like something to pass
along today.....
1. Do Not Build Walls, for they are dangerous. Learn to Transcend them.
2. Live in the Moment, for Each Moment is Precious and not to be squandered
3. Take Care of Yourself First and Foremost
4. Drop the Ego, Be Real, and watch what happens
5. All things are Possible All the Time
6. Maintain Universal Flow, when someone gives it is an act of generosity to receive. For in the Giving there is something Gained

In my own Sadhana (spiritual Path) I have noticed, as part of the spiritual path...:
when you get that "Ahhhh" feeling...seeing a sunset, hugging a tree,
hearing music, singing, watching children, making love, cooking, driving...whenever...wherever....
its a feeling of merging....a feeling of a great rush of love in your heart for yourself and the entire world. A deep connection ....a timeless
blissful place....sometimes a very subtle thing...sometimes more intense...but this "thing"...this shimmering feeling.....is the place/thing
to remember....for this is a glimpse of the devine love of this Universe....Cultivating this feeling for all things in your own heart seems
to bring a deeper peace and love to very ordinary and everyday occurrances. It seems when I forget this inner secret essence, that I become
disconnected from my understanding and grow...when I cultivate it by...walks on the beach, being gentle with myself and others, taking time
to breathe, meditate, chant, and find the love and softness in each moment....thats when life becomes timeless and transcendant.
other things to keep in mind: These create a Discrimination on the
Spiritual Path......
Take time for Inner Healing - This means bodywork, reiki, meditation, quiet time, time out from relationships,
walking in nature, contemplation, journaling - whatever nurtures you
Don't Expect things from others
Be in an Open Place without Judgements, especially for yourself- Say to Yourself: When the subtle voice of negativity and ingrained patterning
speaks to you....I am going to be in a Place of No Judgement on this...
Make a List of your Likable/Loving Qualities and when presented with a situation where maybe such not Lovable qualities begin
emerging...stop....breath....and remember your Higher Qualities...Compassion/Loving and manifest those qualities in the situation
immediately...Come from the Place of Higher Love in your Relationships
Do and Remember things that make you smile and feel the Love of the Universe within...this Inner Love...seems to be the Love that NEVER leaves
you....other love comes and goes....this Love is Eternal
Have Faith
Allow yourself to Feel Gratitude in All moments
Thank-you for the Opportunity to Share,
Light on The Path Ganesha/Shubha
REIKI Master Melissa Shubha Smith Mastery in the Usui System of REIKI Healing
The REIKI Lightway - The Heart is The Hub of All Spaces, Go There and Roam
webpage:
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3035
e-mail: ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com
IRC: Server: irc.superlink.net Channel: #bridge Nick: Ganesha
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:01:33 -0400 From: "Dave Chapman"
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Please include the way to un-subscribe to me. Thank you.
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From: Ken McFarland To: E Jason
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca Subject: Re: Emotional wisdom
Message-id: At 04:45 PM 5/18/97 -0700, E Jason wrote:
>WISDOM OF COMPASSION
> >The integration of the intuitive and logical sides of the brain, the so
>called left/right brain parts allows a holistic thinking that has more >inclusive and natural qualities.

>Dry intellectual reasoning is as incomplete as emotional devotion. What
>has to occur is a merging of mind and emotional body. When this occurs >we see a natural expression of the innate wisdom of physical existence,
>seeking ease of expression for both oneself and for others. This is why >the enlightened are compassionate. They have integrated their minds and
>their bodies into a greater whole.
Dear Lobster,
I quite agree. I work with people who are disconnected from their emotions - from their right brain. When assessed with measures that quantify
alexithymia (the inability to feel and understand emotions), these individuals present with the same phenomenology as folks who have had
split-brain surgery, although, usually to a lessor degree. They have interhemisphereic functional disconnection. -(Uoops - there goes my jargon
script again)- In other words, from their consciousness, in the left half of their brain, where language and logical thought reside, they cannot access
the emotion centers in the right half of their brain.
This is also my problem to some degree. I am still hugging my redwood tree about three times per week, and telling it I love it, and trying to feel or
sense its response. This may be helping, but I think this is a long slow process. It took years to establish functional disconnection at a time when
my brain was far more plastic than now. Nevertheless, I remain optimistic.
The integration of left and right, logic and emotion/holism is something I think of as horizontal integration. I suggest we also need vertical growth.
I believe human beings develop self-structure, embedded with negative emotion, which they defend with denial, aggression, etc.. To the extent
these negative self-structures exist, one feels bad: depressed, anxious, fearful. Vertical growth calls for reducing the existance of negative
self-structure, negative self-esteem, and negative self-concepts toward the zero point.
But there's more. vertical growth also calls for the creation of positive
self-structures and the enhancement of scripts that call for the experience of positve emotions: excitement and joy.
I have been thinking about the enlightenment process and wondering if one
can give up the self, give up ego, without first having completed some degree of positive vertical growth. I think not, at present. I think one
must develop a degree of self-worth, feeling of competency, effacacy, even pride, before letting go of self and ego, otherwise, the underlying systems
will be operating from a negative, unexciting, joyless dimension.
Your thoughts and the thoughts of all others on the list will be most welcome.
Sincerely, Ken

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