1997/05/14 06:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #233
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 233
Today's Topics:
Re: thanks to all : )
Re: A Global Kundalini Manifesto for the West - a taster
Re: Prozac and K
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Prozac and K
Re: Prozac and K
Re: psychiatric drugs can be useful shit...if you really want them
Re: Yogi appetite for shit
Re: Prozac and K
kundalini... and music?
Natural uppers... altered states.
Re: Kabir
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #231
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: MoonGraceATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: thanks to all : )
Message-ID: <970513235307_-1332088327ATnospamemout18.mail.aol.com>
Hi everyone I'd really like to say thankyou for all of the wonderful
thoughts and conversations through the list. You all really have a way of
brightening one's day! : ) At this time I would like to sign off the
K-list. Keep the Love flowing!! Thankyou. MoonGrace.
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zensual2UATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Global Kundalini Manifesto for the West - a taster
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In a message dated 97-05-12 20:59:31 EDT, you write:
<<
if anyone wants the whole thing, please email me privately and i'll send
it to you.
>>
Thank you.. can it be sent in text form attatched to Email file ?
please send
Zensual2u
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:29:14 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
CC: Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>,
Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <3377EE1B.2396ATnospambridge.net>
Hi Ken,
In the past I had a nervous breakdown, or a deep depression, started
from one day to the other, for no apparent reason. I had a bad
relationship with a guy that lived in another country and we would live
together on and off. I know that was not the reason, but it turned on
one night and it did not leave me for 2 years. I went to every doctor I
could think of, even the eye doctor... One doctor prescribed an
antidepressant that got me worse. I stopped using it immediately.I
started to manage the situation the hard way. The drug I took was an
occasional nembutal to be able to sleep because I could go 48 hours and
more without sleeping with the anxiety attacks. the symptoms lessened
slowly and I learned how to aleviated them
Then I have a few friends that some are on Prozac and some have left it.
Two of my friends have had bad experiences with Prozac. Suicidal
tendencies, change of personality. Agressiveness.
The other was totally dependant on it, like cocaine...and it was worse
off than before taking it. He had to gradually stop taking it, because
he was so hooked to it.
Also there are records of people committing murder under pshychiatric
drugs...studies made on a lot of homicides performed under the influence
of these drugs..That is my modest opinion, its just another viewpoint in
case someone was having the idea of starting on these just because a
mild depression or wanting to stop smoking or being overweight. I think
that a doctor that prescribes this drug for these reasons is very
irresponsible.
Love always,
Lissette
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:26:40 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: KjeldskovATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Kim said:
> I felt a rush of energy, like electricity, go up my back and out the
> top of my head. I stood bolt upright and was quite frightened.
> I thought someting was wrong with me and that I had experienced some
> kind of seizure. I did not practice any kind of yoga, was not into
> any new age stuff, wasn't doing any drugs, and had never heard of
> kundalini. I was only sitting quietly and focusing on the music I
> loved.So, what happened to me? Was it kundalini?
> kim
Most likely it is ...
Are you interested in continuing your spiritual path?
You want more information on this incredible phenomena?
Keep in touch with the old k folks!
Love and ((light)))
Lissette
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:13:53 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
Message-ID: <33795821.3E8ATnospambest.com>
JUst to say,
I'm not bi-polar ,but i live with one.
And I've had three mental breakdowns,
Childhod physical abuse
rape and torture for 8 hours at knife point
a near-death experience (try dying for nervous pressure)
I tried prozac twice and was deathly ill. I needed something to help me,
the psychic trauma was intense. I found that hompathic remedies helped
me clear a lot of it, go into the pain that was otherwise too intense to
bear.
Aconite is for death experiences. One dose at 200x
Opium is for psychic trauma, one dose at 200x
colocynthis is for bitterness and left-side weakness, one dose at 200x
Ignatia Amara is for fear of never being loved, one dose at 200x
Hypericom is for depression 200x
These should be taken one month apart, the issues explored as they
arise. These are extremely dilute dosages because kundalini makes us
extremely sensitive. Also for anger and right-side weakness, hompathic
cofee extract works well.
Morgana
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:18:06 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: RWilli2ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
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At 09:53 PM 5/13/97 -0400, RWilli2ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Ken, Thank you for your thoughts and support. I am currently taking Paxil,
>which is a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor. I suffer from anxiety and
>panic attacks and since taking Paxil, I have been able to relax for the first
>time in years. Now I can sit for meditation, practice yoga and enjoy life.
> From my point of view, my life before Paxil was not as full and enjoyable.
> Thanks again for your post.
>
>Love
>Roseann
Roseann, you are more than welcome.
I know the relief that can come from an SSRI like Paxil.
Now that you are feeling better, I'm sure you will take advantage of the
opportunity to work on the source of your these feelings.
I have experienced panic attacks - they are no fun.
I would have one about every two or three months for many years.
I have a keen interest in psychological processes and I decided that I
wanted to self-study the physiological effects of panic attack.
I knew that it wouldn't hurt me.
I decided to WELCOME the next episode so I could really experience it and
study it.
That was about four years ago.
I'm still waiting to welcome the next episode.
Let go of the fear and it will let go of you.
Love and best wishes,
Ken
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:18:03 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: psychiatric drugs can be useful shit...if you really want them
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At 01:06 AM 5/14/97 +0100, Tom Aston wrote:
>sorry, but i have to say, simply.....
>
>"psychiatric drugs are shit"
>
>but a lot of us enjoy eating and wallowing in shit
<snip>
>i guess i'd question the roots of why people think they need prozac
>rather than simply attacking prozac itself....
>
>Yogi Tom
Tom, it must feel really good to be on the spiritual high road.
Yesterday, I spent the entire day on the locked ward of a psychiatric
hospital. Judging from your stated opinions, I think it might do you some
good to do the same.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:33:34 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Yogi appetite for shit
Message-ID: <33795CBE.6CF9ATnospambest.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
>
> sorry, but i have to say, simply.....
>
> "psychiatric drugs are shit"
>
> but a lot of us enjoy eating and wallowing in shit
>
> and as a Tantric yogi i would positively recommend it
>
> yum yum yum
Am relived to say that I am finally rid of my
"sad sack of shit"
feels good, I'll never eat shit again,
and if you want it I left by the road somewhere,
Bon appetit
Morgana
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:36:03 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net
Cc: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>,
Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>,
Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Prozac and K
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At 12:29 AM 5/13/97 -0400, Dolce Vita wrote:
>Hi Ken,
>
>In the past I had a nervous breakdown, or a deep depression, started
>from one day to the other, for no apparent reason. I had a bad
>relationship with a guy that lived in another country and we would live
>together on and off. I know that was not the reason, but it turned on
>one night and it did not leave me for 2 years. I went to every doctor I
>could think of, even the eye doctor... One doctor prescribed an
>antidepressant that got me worse. I stopped using it immediately.I
>started to manage the situation the hard way.
Dear Lissette,
There is wisdom your actions.
People should not take drugs that do not feel right to them.
There are ten major neurohumoral systems, and many more minor ones, that
affect how we feel.
A class of antidepressant that works for one person does not necessarily
work for the next person.
If nembutal agreed with you might have had a deficiency in
gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA).
Very few docs will address these deficiencies.
The trick is to find the one that is right for the person.
There are some systematic approaches to this.
Most folks don't get the benefit of this sort of assessment process.
Anyway, the wonderful news is that you took care of the problems on your own.
Good work.
I agree that's the best way if you can do it.
Love and best wishes,
Ken
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:44:02 -0800 (AKDT)
From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: Kim Kristensen <KjeldskovATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: kundalini... and music?
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On Tue, 13 May 1997, Kim Kristensen wrote:
> Not sure if this describes kundalini, but here goes:
> When I was 14 years old I enjoyed the music of a group called
> King Crimson. Soon after getting their first album, I sat in a
> darkened room listening to "In the Court of the Crimson King".
> The music rises to a crescendo, and when it did, so did I.
> I felt a rush of energy, like electricity, go up my back and out the
> top of my head. I stood bolt upright and was quite frightened.
> I thought someting was wrong with me and that I had experienced some
> kind of seizure. I did not practice any kind of yoga, was not into
> any new age stuff, wasn't doing any drugs, and had never heard of
> kundalini. I was only sitting quietly and focusing on the music I
> loved.
>
> So, what happened to me? Was it kundalini?
> kim
Here is an excerpt from Far Journeys (Robert Monroe), describing a
childhood experience:
... I want to hear the music ... I want to hear the special music .... I
know how to make the Victrola play the music because I learned how, I
learned how just from watching, and then she watched me show her how I
could play it, then she said I could play it but I had to be real careful
so I don't break the records ... so I'm not being bad if I play it ... I
pull the chair over close to the Victrola so I can stand on it and put the
record in the top ... I have to lift up the heavy lid, but I do it ... I
turn the shiny crank in the side, more and more until it won't crank any
more, but I don't crank it after that because it might break the spring
... then I open the front doors of the Victrola, and there is my special
music record on the first shelf just where I left it ... pull the record
out and be real careful to don't break it, and put it up on the top. Then
I climb up on the chair. I pull the paper cover off the record and put
the record on the wheel ... then I put the shiny fat arm part with the
sharp needle in it down real careful on the edge of the black record ...
now everything is ready ... I move the little shiny finger and the wheel
with the black record on it starts moving, and I hurry down off the chair
to where the music is ... the music starts coming out of the Victrola and
I feel real quiet, so I close my eyes ... it is blank for a long time as I
listen to the music, but then I feel a surge way down at the bottom of me,
and it feels like tingling when my foot goes to sleep, but it doesn't
hurt, it feels good, and with it I hear raining, just like rain on the
roof, but it comes and goes ... and the music gets so soft I can't hear it
anymore ... then it's quiet and I can't hear or feel anything ... there it
is again, coming up from the bottom of me more, the tingle and the rain
surge, and it feels better than anything I ever felt ... and I wait for it
to happen again ... here it comes again, stronger and bigger, and it feels
so good it starts to hurt, but I don't mind the hurt because it feels so
good ... then it fades away again ... I know it's coming back, and it does
... much, much stronger and bigger, up through me, the best and happiest
feeling I could ever have, so happy I want to cry, and the hurt is so
strong it's cutting me right up the middle in two pieces ... then it goes
back again, down out the bottom of me, and I know that there is nothing,
nothing nicer I will ever feel than what just was, no hurt could hurt more
than what I just felt ... and I feel it rising again and I don't think I
could stand it if it was any stronger, but there it is getting bigger and
stronger, the good, good, good tingle and the rain roar and the hurt so
hard, coming right up to my head, terrible, terrible sharp hurt ... this
is so good and so hurting there can't ever be anything that feels so good
and hurts so much, never never ... then it starts to go away and I know
that I will always remember this bright, bright good and the big, big hurt
and nothing will ever be as good or hurt so much ... but there it comes
again, no, no! ... I can't stand it again, I can't, I can't! The good
makes me cry, it's so good, and the hurt makes me cry, it hurts so much,
it can't be more than the one before, it was the biggest there is, it
can't be any bigger, the good and the hurt ... but it is, and I scream
with joy and pain and I know this is the greatest of all there is, the
exquisite joy, beauty, that transcends any thought or consciousness ...
that the pain is merely the anguish of physical structure attempting to
contain energy beyond the ability to do so, that one day I will experience
it again without the pain because I will understand better, one day it
will take place, the great glory of ... I feel hands picking me up and I
am crying a little, not too much, and I open my eyes and raise my head.
The music in the Victrola has stopped and she, my mother, is looking at me
and saying something ...
What strange power does music have on us? Perhaps, when these experiences
happen, it is because the music has focused our minds... ah, focused only
on being, on enjoying? ...the limits of perception temporarily removed,
kundalini makes its presence known...
Why does that feel familiar?
--
"I miss the comfort in being sad"
-Kurt Cobain
"Either this wallpaper goes or I do."
-last words of Oscar Wilde
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 04:04:25
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Natural uppers... altered states.
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((((((((Some various radical ideas on self- medication to ponder.
Not for the faint of heart.))))))))
The Endorphin Glow.
Long-distance runners call it "Breaking the Wall."
All kinds of physical sensations can provoke endorphin release, pain to
pleasure to scratching or tickling, heat and cold, prolonged immobility
like a cramped airline seat will do it. A little sensation produces a
little endorphin, sensations taken to the physical limit of the senses
produce a massive dump of endorphin through the body that resembles orgasm
in some ways, but is more pleasurable. "Runner's high"
I like to get there by overloading my pleasure circuts.
Endorphin is what the body uses to block sensations that are intense and
cannot be
escaped. Chemically, they are very similar to opiates and euphoric, such as
heroin.
That is, the chemicals are very similiar, heroin plugs into the endorphin
receptors. The
feeling of your body being flooded with endorphin is is intensely
pleasurable, and produces a feeling of wellbeing for days, in some people.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
There was at one time, in mental hospitals in England,
a therapeutic process for severely emotionally withdrawn patients.
The technique was simple.
The nurses would tie the patient down very tightly,
and paddle the patients buttocks until the patient started to cry from the
pain.
This was considered a way to trigger an effective emotional release.
*******************************
Of course being produced by the body's own natural biochemical factory,
not only are they legal and safe, (as long as you are not a heart patient)
but they're also considered by most folks to be non-addictive.
At least, in as much that any very intensely pleasurable sensation is
non-addictive.
People may consider themselves "addicted" to running or weight lifting or
ice cream,
but we do not nessesarily consider that a true addiction.
In fact, endorphin release is considered healthy, as it promotes the release
of all kinds of other hormones and biochemicals that regulate physical and
mental processes..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Michelle Phillips, in her book, "You'll never eat lunch in this town
again", describes kicking her coke habit, only to become an "addicted
runner", pounding away on her treadmill all day in her office while she was
making calls and such, breaking the wall over and over, till she had no
knees left.
She would have been a lot better off with a 99 cent bag of clothespins,
IMO.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Many years ago, long before I discovered SM, I had a plantars wart on my
finger that was pissing me off. It was not the first time I had had the
wart, and I was profoundly unimpressed with doctors removal techniques. I
decided to take matters into my own hands. I tuned my steam iron on "high",
and did a bit of self hypnosis to disaccociate from pain.
Then I pressed the wart against the tip of my iron for as long as I
could, watching as from a distance as my body twitched and shivered in
reaction like electricity. Taking my finger off when I really couldn't
stand it, but holding an ice cube on the wart till it went numb and then
frying it again. Over and over. I kept it up until the wart was a shiny
flat scorched looking thing. I was very pissed with that wart, and wanted
it Gone!!
Freaked my fiance' at the time *right* out, but, afterwards, I noticed
that I felt like I was in an altered state that was *wonderful*. Clear
headed, relaxed, peaceful, serene as the buddah, my body tingly.
--------------------------------------
Working on untangling the negative cycle that produced my excema, I made
a few discoveries. Thanks to Louise Hay, I realized that "scratching and
itching" were criticism internalized. Negative thoughts. Scratching at my
self till my nails bled, uncomfortable being still without being driven mad
with itching. Connecting thought patterns to senasations helped, (+ flax
seed oil) gradually I was able to become conscious of the links.
Then, when I occasionally did allow myself to scratch, I discovered how
extremely pleasurable I found the sensation, and a light bulb went off.
self critical thought endorphins produce a lift.
\ /
itching, >>> scratching
I know it sounds like a strange idea, but I was hurting myself to feel
better!
Unconsciously using endorphins to medicate momentary depression.
The other thing that I do quite unconsciously several times a day is to
wander over to the sink and turn on the hot water tap, washing my hands
until the water is very hot and I am shivering with the pleasure/pain of
it. I started doing this because, not surprisingly, I have excema on my
hands, and hot water would temporarily soften the skin and numb the
itching, as well as washing off whatever I might be reacting to. Dries the
skin out and makes it itchy tho... so I do it again.
It really makes me wonder how many depressed people who are labeled self
destructive because they like to stick pins in themselves, or something,
are also unconscously seeking to alleviate depression with endorphin?
Ever noticed how you feel a little lightheaded after a blood test?
Piercing is an invasion of the external envelope, and produces powerful
endorphins. Some reasons besides fashion that it has become so popular. A
nose ring will produce a tickle and an internal nerve sensation with every
breath. Ever noticed someone who has a habit of tugging on their earrings
while in thought or annoyed?
I scratch my head a lot while I am thinking and writing, not unusual...
scalps are very sensitive, a little positive perk makes thinking go better.
The fifties prescription for PMS was a trip to the hairdresser.
############################################
Grieving at the death of my slave, I laced myself into a 22" leather &
steel boned corset and wore it for several days. I felt that I needed to
give my insides a physical reason to be hurting so much, it was easier for
my brain to handle. The endorphins and the breathing restriction, as well
as the meditative mindfulness of posture that a corset necessitates,
transported me to an altered state where grief was easier to bear.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Ever get one of those little long handled bamboo or plastic backscratchers?
Once you start to scratch your back, it feels so amazingly good you won't
stop for an hour, till your back is red and tingly and every part of it has
had a good scratching.
When you do stop, you will also notice that your mood is considerably
elevated, like you've got a buzz on.
Do take steps to clean and moisturize your skin after, in case you have
gotten carried away and removed skin, we don't want infection. Don't share
your backscratcher, that is not a safe activity.
********
Using intense sensation to experience altered or transcendent mental states
is not a new idea. The polarity of the Tao.
The early Christians used to flog themselves until they experienced
endorphin ecstasy, they interpreted the sensations as the Holy Spirit
filling them with joy.
Perhaps it was, I do not judge their experience.
The biochemistry of the brain is barely understood,
let alone the workings of mind and spirit.
Many religions prescribe some form of torture, humiliation, or personal
sacrifice
as a requirement to become closer to Goddess/God.
The North American Indians were known for their sundance rituals.
If the tribe was starving because it could not find the buffalo, one of the
Braves would volunteer to offer himself for a ritual that involved the
Shaman hanging him from chest piercings.
At some point the pain would cause him to leave his body and go find the
herd in the astral, then go back and tell the tribe where they were. Very
dangerous ritual, one can suffocate from the skin over the ribs becoming
too tightly streached to breathe.
There is a Modern Primitives fellow who goes by the Name of Fakir Musafar,
who has done the sundance several times, and describes it as a spiritual
opening that never closed entirely. He has had 40 years experince
travelling the world and participating in primitive rituals. He started on
his own, in secret as a teenager.
http://gloria-brame.com/fakir.htm (adult only site)
>The third way is the body-first way. This is the way of the shaman and the
> fakir. By using some kind of intense sensation in the physical body,
you focus
> all concentration on one particular space in the physical body. After
that, you
> can take the attention and make it go inward [to] explore your inner
space.
> Your attention cannot wander when you're doing something intense. [And]
> when your attention [is this] focused, it's possible for something to
happen.
> [You may] direct the attention into another sphere of consciousness.
Shamanic
> activity for the most part [is] intent on body focus.
The Fakirs of India have been a staple of National Geographic for years,
with their religious self torture, although National Geographic
never shows some of the more bizarre, sexual pain rituals.
Author and counselor John Bradshaw has a theory that the complete absence
of challenging, humiliating and painful Rites of Passage in European/North
American society has resulted in population of adults that are emotionally
still children.
As a result, he says, we often create extreme situations in our lives, so
that our unconscous can grow up. Kundalites know a lot about that!!!
I'm not sure that I entirely agree with his theroy, but I have seen intense
experiences resulting in personal growth. Building personality by seeking
challenging experience is hardly a new idea: primitive people have been
doing it for millennia.
"Outward Bound" is one modern version that comes to mind.
The endorphin experience is about embracing intense sensations as a gift,
a path that when accepted will take the seeker to the place where all
becomes ecstacy.
Lamaze natural childbirth training is one place to learn how to do this.
Mother's happy glow is partly an endorphin buzz.
Even if you cannot give birth, the breathing and focusing techniques are
readily adaptable, for learning to tolerate physical pain.
I wonder if there is any research on Lamaze and emotional pain?
Blessings, Angelique.
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:36:52 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Kabir
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bob crowder wrote:
> The Tongue Deviseth Mischief
>
> In futile discussion is much poison;
> In much talk is great mischief.
> Keep you mouth shut; suffer all in silence;
> And remember the Name Unfathomable.
Take your poison like a nectar
to those who say nothing out of fear - talk!
to those who babble without reflection - think first.
to those who learn to bear others pain - continue
(but only in Love)
Make it short, make it sweet
In alchemy we say:
In the beginning was the word. Before the word
was the thought. So does the alchemist work on word and
action, then thought and intention. Refine the gross and the
refinement will work on the subtle.
Make fluid that which is rigid.
Solidify that which is volatile.
Animate that which is dead.
Contain that which moves.
Rigid = opinions, thoughts, behaviour
Volatile = emotions, thoughts, behaviour
Dead = kundalini
that which moves = the rigid, dead and volatile
Most Kind Regards
Ed Jason
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:52:03 -0400
From: LIGHHTNINGRODATnospamwebtv.net (debbie Robinson)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #231
Message-Id: <199705141152.EAA11125ATnospammailtod-1.alma.webtv.net>
Hi Tom, Interesting that you pre-edit the responses to your article-ie:
constructive and positive. Nice words-very nice words. This world
needs more words...
spill them on us . pontificating Debbie
to pontificating Tom
Put your pen down and come out & play,
why don't you!
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:43:01 -1000 (HST)
From: Jan Curran <ivydruidATnospamici.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199705141243.CAA28436ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Hello all :)
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:43:02 -1000 (HST)
From: Jan Curran <ivydruidATnospamici.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199705141243.CAA28443ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Hello all :)
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:55:50 -1000 (HST)
From: Jan Curran <ivydruidATnospamici.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199705141255.CAA00246ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Hello all :)
I have just signed on to the list and am wondering about a few things. I was told to check this out by a friend who also told me I need my charkras(?) balanced. I have a slight idea of what they are, but am not sure how to balance them. Can I do this myself or should I have someone else do it? (I am not in financial circumstances to be able to afford it, though). I have had depression on and off forever, it seems. But recently I have had theses rages, and I am scared. I can't remeber them too well, and I've been told I am really awful during this time. I also am considered agoraphobic with panic disorder. My physical health is bad, fatigue, back pain, migraines weekly (on a good week). I also have these bizarre hot flashes but only at times, and the seem to be mostly around the top of my head. I am usually warmer than everyone else in a room, though lately (like the last 3 months or so) I have had cold flashes all over my body. I just keep feeling like something is WRONG, !
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and everything I've tried to do is ineffective. Is this anthing at all like what the web page means? I have had alot more psychic ability since I turned 30, thouhg my 8 year old can blow me out of the water on one of her bad days....(I think she woke it up when she was in utero) She can actually remeber her birth, and can describe it well. I think she was born with all her abilities on overdrive, and I never have tried to squash them (which was done to me). Does anyone have any ideas on things I can do to help myself? There's so much stuff out there that it could be, and I can't decide on anything half the time.....
Thanks, Jan
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