1997/05/13  20:55  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #232 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 232
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #229 
  increase in Love 
  Re: Attitude 
  Fwd: Prozac and Mystress Angelique 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #229 
  Kabir 
  psychiatric drugs can be useful shit...if you really want them 
  Re: Ownership 
  Re: Fwd: Prozac and Mystress Angelique 
  Re: Prozac and K 
  Re: Prozac and K 
  Merkaba Meditation WEb Site. 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
  Re: Unsubscribe  kundalini-l 
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:29:50 PDT 
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #229 
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Our moderator wrote:
 
>  So, in case anybody doesn't know it yet, Kundalini List is owned  
>and maintained by a hyper-opinionated arrogant Hedonist Vampire  
>Fetish Witch, a truly narcissistic self absorbed sadistic carnivorous  
>Bitch Dominatrix, with a certain amount of buried anger towards  
>Christians (on account of having been burned at the stake by them and  
>variously persecuted in some past lifetimes for being a healer...ya  
>ya I know...get over it)...who thinks she is a Goddess and needs to  
>be right all the time. (ME!! ME ME ME ME!!!!!)
 
I must not have been paying close attention, I never noticed any BURIED anger  
towards Christians.
 
Sorry, but this whole thing has become tiresome to me. I really don't care who  
said she said she said or whatever. When I get tired I always resort to humor.
 
I feel certain we all appreciate the work and time that goes into maintaining  
this list. For that I would like to express my thanks to our moderator. Those  
thanks will hold on the days we agree and the days we don't.
 
That said after some thought I want to address something else. One word that  
appears above that, as a member of this list, I honestly find offensive. I am  
not and never will be "owned" (I can't even begin to think how I'd feel about  
the term if I were black). I don't even think of myself as owning my dogs, the  
city does, I don't. To me they are friends who live with me and I have taken the  
responsibility to provide for their needs. 
 
I realize "owning the list" is a computer term, but it is an administrative term  
having meaning only to the people who run the ISP and the person moderating the  
list. To continually use it to define your relationship to the list and us can  
have a very negative effect. It can cause some of us to briefly forget the  
effort you make that benefits us all and fan a spark of resentment for an  
attitude that may not even apply, it just seems to because of your choice of  
words and the way you use the same words in describing your lifestyle. Could we  
just hear about moderating and not about owning? 
 
This is a meeting place of equals. Some of us are newbies, some have been  
working with K for decades. Some of us have been lucky enough to find good  
teachers, some haven't been that lucky yet. When we come together we do so with  
respect and a sense of equality. Our experiences are not equal but our desire is  
(or we will assume so as an act of civility toward each other). Each of us  
should be given the chance to ask questions and have our say. We may disagree  
but we should try to do so politely. Good work, good friends, good manners, none  
of these can be owned they can only be experienced and enjoyed. When one of us  
misses the mark on one of these points a good friend will, or should, inform  
him/her. That is what a good list is about.
 
Namaste,
 
Joe
 
 
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:25:23 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: stevenATnospamredbear.idiscover.co.uk, Swiszczowski <SteveSwiszATnospamaol.com>, 
 tariqasATnospamworld.std.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca 
Subject: increase in Love 
Message-ID: <3378A403.14F3ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
THERE IT IS
 
Said the Souls to God 
"We can not see you  
nor know you. 
How are we to Love you - though we do" 
And gradually through qualities and ideas 
to physical life, God created the Revealing 
in which the souls could Love 
And the souls forgot God and Loved the Revealing 
and the Great Souls said this revealing is not God 
and the Greater Souls said Remember God in all things 
for this was the world created 
as an act of Love to increase in Love
 
Most Kind Regards 
Ed Jason 
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:51:15 -0400 (EDT) 
From: ZeruelATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Attitude 
Message-ID: <970513145050_1256217353ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
 
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:12:30 -0400 (EDT) 
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Fwd: Prozac and Mystress Angelique 
Message-ID: <970513171103_-1332124123ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
 
Angelique wrote:
 
<< I have done the merkaba meditation consciously exactly once, Dec., I 
think. 
   Sitting at my computer, following the step by step instructons.  >>
 
Could you post the URL for the site where you found instructions on the 
merkaba meditation?
 
I've been unable to find it.
 
Thanx, :-)
 
Kat 
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Forwarded message: 
From:	mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com (Mystress Angelique Serpent) 
Resent-from:	kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
To:	kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (Kundalini) 
Date: 97-05-13 08:36:11 EDT
 
  No joke.  
  I have had experience with clinically depressed slaves, and the change in 
them around me is remarkable. My slave cymbal's Mom saw the overnight 
change in her deeply depressed son after spending a few hours with me, just 
talking and getting charged, and decided I am an Angel. Whew! One of the 
Bird tribes! 
  Another slave who is clinically depressed and on meds, whom I don't see 
too often, just a coupla times a month, knows that seeing me is a cure for 
the blues, anytime.  
  I have to be very careful with him when he comes to me in a fragile 
state, sometimes, especially if the medication is wearing off, he takes 
breaks periodicly and a harsh word from me when he is coming down is a 
crushing blow... everything suppressed by the medication comes blazing up 
to be released. The medication makes it harder to tune into his feelings 
sometimes. 
  It also makes it nearly impossible for him to orgasm, so combined with my 
energy the result is Tantric without effort. 
 
  One of my lovers years ago compared me to heroin, so much ecstacy, and 
then a crash back to earth. Shaktipat effect of my energy field. Up to a 
higher vibe, and then back down as the energy goes to work and stuff gets 
released. My energy affects my slaves like a drug, rover giggles with giddy 
delight like a child for about the first ten minutes every time I see him. 
I ask him if he is like that around everyone and he just giggles harder and 
says no, delighted with my amusement, delighted to be here, delighted to be 
himself, just all round giddy giggly joy. It's neato! Fun to watch, fun to 
share in. 
  
  Something happened awhile ago I am still trying to figure out.  
  I was sitting with rover at my feet, (he was finished giggling for the 
time being) and raven buzzed to be let in to the building. When I felt her 
coming towards the apt. door, I asked rover to let her in. He opened the 
door... no-one there. Closed it again, and sat down while we waited an 
unusually long time for her to knock.  
  So when she arrived I told her of feeling her coming and being mistaken, 
and she told of an experiment she had been conducting in the hallway.  
  From the elevator, one comes down an L shaped hallway to reach the apt 
door, which is on the end. As soon as she turned the corner of the L, she 
felt her whole being shift. Thoughts she had been thinking on the bus all 
the way over were gone, replaced by brighter thoughts...her body energy 
changed... she felt a rush of energy come over her... (that was about when 
I had felt her coming.) 
  Surprised by this, she went back around the corner... and she discovered 
she shifted back as she had been before, thoughts and feelings of her trip 
returned.... went forward again... experienced the shift upwards again.  
  she discovered a place in the hallway just around the corner where it 
felt like she entered my dimension...as she put it. At the time, I simply 
figured my mentally questing down the hallway to reach her had extended my 
energy outwards. 
 
  A few days later thinking about it in the middle of the night wham I got 
MERKABA!!  This so surprised me I got up and paced the distance from where 
I had been sitting to the place in the hall...it's about 45 or 50 feet. A 
decent sized merkaba. Holy shit.
 
  It was generally recognized by visitors that my house spell took the 
interior of my previous home into another dimension, one aspect of it was 
people losing track of time, and always having their sense of direction 
somewhat confused on the way out. 
  But my house spells are limited to the house, so as not to intrude on the 
neighbor's space.
 
  I have done the merkaba meditation conscously exactly once, Dec., I think. 
  Sitting at my computer, following the step by step instructons. I could 
feel the wheel spinning galaxy-like about me when I was done, and when ever 
I thought about it later... but I didn't give it much thought.  
  Constructs of imagination are very real to me... I can go back to them 
and feel them again. Sometimes I doubt the realities I feel with my 
imagination. What's real? 
  At the time I did the merkaba meditation, I asked Angels and higher self 
to assist, to take up the slack anywhere I was needing assistance... and 
asked my unconscous to pay close attention and do a replay in my sleep 
whenever needed.  
  So now finally I really get it that my merkaba is real.... and I kind of 
understood before that my back injury might be about readjusting to handle 
the energies involved in supporting a merkaba field... but I was not sure 
if I believed in the merkaba.  
  At any rate, I am beginning to get quite a bit of evidence that I may be 
carrying around my own private twilight zone..altered reality dimension. 
Merkaba is supposed to be a lightship vehicle for dimensional travel, 
ascension. So does this mean I am carrying around a pocket of 5d reality as 
I move in a 3d world?  Cool! 
  I guess that is the real idea behind ascension, ...or desencion, as I 
have been thinking of it lately. Creating heaven on Earth.  
  We never left Eden.... we have been there all along, but that apple is 
some wild trip, makes you hallucinate separateness.  
     Blessings, SSSSSSSSSSerpent. 
   
At 04:50 13/05/97 -0400, David Bozzi wrote: 
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: 
> 
>>   His feelings about this relationship in his own words: 
>>  
>> >It feels good! i feel owned, cared for, loved, appreciated, 
>> >possesssed. <snip> 
>> >Now i know that i m deliriously happy being a slave tightly controlled, 
>> >expertly trained, sensitivly handled by an appreciative and possesive 
>> >Mistress. 
> 
> 
>A non-drug alternative to Prozac perhaps? 
> 
> 
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:21:39 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #229 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970512172139.24878306ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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  Thankyou for taking the time to express your opinons. They are appreciated.  
  I always figure that for every person who speaks up, there are a dozen 
lurkers who feel the same way and say nothing. 
 
At 08:29 13/05/97 PDT, Joseph Miller wrote: 
>Our moderator wrote: 
>>  So, in case anybody doesn't know it yet, Kundalini List is owned  
>>and maintained by a <...> (ME!! ME ME ME ME!!!!!)
 
>Sorry, but this whole thing has become tiresome to me. I really don't care 
who  
>said she said she said or whatever. When I get tired I always resort to 
humor. 
 Thankyou for your patience. I am worn out with it, too. 
  This is a place of personal and spiritual growth, tho... and sometimes 
that takes patience and he said she said stuff... so it goes.
 
>I realize "owning the list" is a computer term, but it is an 
administrative term  
>having meaning only to the people who run the ISP and the person 
moderating the  
>list. To continually use it to define your relationship to the list and us 
can  
>have a very negative effect. <s...> Good work, good friends, good manners, 
none  
>of these can be owned they can only be experienced and enjoyed. When one 
of us  
>misses the mark on one of these points a good friend will, or should, inform  
>him/her. That is what a good list is about. 
> 
>Namaste, 
> 
>Joe 
> 
  I understand your sensitivity to the idea of being "owned" because you 
belong to a list, and I agree completely. I would be annoyed if I thought 
the list owners of the other lists I am on considered me their property, 
too. I am sorry if my choice of words upset you, but I cannot think when I 
have ever expressed my role that way previously.  
  I respectfully call subscribers "Members" or "Kundalites", not "My slave 
minions" or anything. Even Dan G.'s "Listies" seemed a bit too 
disrespectful to me, to be appropriate. I always refer to it as *the* list, 
not *my* list. 
  I meant it in the way execpc. does. They have given me an address that 
says "Kundalini-l-ownerATnospam" and a small credit card bill every month. They 
think of me as the person who "owns" the service account that is the 
mechanical aspect of K.List.  
  I am using that address in my List Mystress sig because it seems 
appropriate to so, rather than my domin8rex.com domain address. 
  The truth of the relationship is that I serve the list. A good leader is 
slave to the needs of those she leads. Why people in Government are 
referred to as Public Servants. 
  I don't even lead the list, I maintain it. But I do "own" the Listserv 
account. 
  I don't own the Members, or even the product of the Members, the 
Archives. According to copyright laws, members own what they write, so far 
as I know. 
  In our modern age, one person cannot "own" another, even by marriage, 
anymore.  
  I am very clear that I do not truly "own" "my" slaves, either. They 
believe I do, because they want to believe it, and I play along because 
it's fun. It easier to write "my slaves", than to write "These free beings 
who for their own pleasure and wellbeing like to pretend that they are my 
slave property" whenever I refer to them. And "friends", does not really 
accurately describe the relationship, either. We are also friends, but it 
is deeper than that. 
  I don't allow my slaves to call me "their" Mistress, because they don't 
own me. 
  I don't believe I own anybody, I am not sure if I own my boa constrictor. 
She is more like a companion, or a familiar. 
  I am not even sure I own myself, it often seems I am slave to Goddess. 
  The term of respect for a dominatrix is Mistress.  
  Many months ago, I made a tiny=big change in my title. Mystress to me 
connects with Mystical seeker of Mysteries, a feminine term for a Mystic, 
and sometimes when I am banging my head on the keyboard like this weekend, 
I think of it as "My stress". 
  The point of the post was partly, that I am trying to shake off my 
controlling impulses, both when it comes to my image, and to my natural 
instinct for leadership that was creating the "ref calls". 
  I hope that clarifies things, o free being of great wisdom Joe who offers 
ideas and love to share in the online community of free beings that we call 
the Kundalini List.
 
    If you need more info, feel free to write to me at 
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com 
 Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress. 
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:08:47 +0100 
From: bobATnospamakasha.net (bob crowder) 
To: "'Kundalini-l'" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Kabir 
Message-ID: <01BC5FCC.97190E20ATnospamBOB> 
 
The Tongue Deviseth Mischief
 
In futile discussion is much poison; 
In much talk is great mischief. 
Keep you mouth shut; suffer all in silence; 
And remember the Name Unfathomable.
 
Live as if you were dead,  
Abandon all hope of others; 
For thy protector is the All-Powerful Master, 
Who will see that His servant is safe.
 
I voyaged over the seven oceans, 
I wandered over seven continents, 
But rarely did I find a single one, 
Who did not indulge in slander.
 
Kabir 
 
 
bobATnospamakasha.net 
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:06:41 +0100 
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: psychiatric drugs can be useful shit...if you really want them 
Message-ID: <J0BHXAARIQezEwG5ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
 
sorry, but i have to say, simply.....
 
"psychiatric drugs are shit"
 
but a lot of us enjoy eating and wallowing in shit
 
and as a Tantric yogi i would positively recommend it
 
yum yum yum 
 
of evils in the world prozac seems quite a long way down the list in my 
book given so many consent to it or actually actively seek it out.....
 
now, forcible medication though, that's another kettle of fish, since 
consent is lacking....
 
but, on the other hand, prozac has become an icon of a mass culture of 
dependency and an image of humanity as little more than chemical 
mechanisms with no spiritual dimension 
 
that can be fixed or helped by what is unquestionably a load of chemical 
shit, that can be toxic, even if it's useful shit to some people
 
and so perhaps deserves to be taken apart intellectually simply to 
liberate users  from their illusions about themselves and their neglect 
of their primordial spiritual needs 
 
even if they still use these kind of drugs to get through life and, 
sometimes, avoid a traumatic breakdown or premature death...
 
just as some people choose ect, often out of sheer desperation
 
and sometimes find it useful
 
just as other people are forcibly treated
 
or are persuaded to undergo treatment by having their vulnerability 
played on by a psychiatric profession which is still blundering around, 
metaphorically speaking, in the Dark Ages in terms of understanding or 
healing the mind - 
 
metaphysically, in general, psychiatry amounts to little more than 
spiritual darkness trying to fix mental confusion - in the end, the 
confused might get so fed up with the dark that they make for the light, 
often still believing that the dark was a great help....
 
if you cannot see anything, then confusion can abate rapidly and things 
become more manageable
 
and who am i to argue with that ?
 
if it works, do it
 
for, as i often say, hell is often the last stop before 
enlightenment.....
 
and the dark night of the soul leads to the silver dawn.....
 
and the genius of our age is to turn shit to gold
 
although so often we end up turning gold to shit
 
maybe all this prozac and ect and psychiatric drugs business is just 
part of the hell we have to create before we can begin to understand 
just how wrong science can be when confronted with human frailty and 
confusion......
 
the real issue for me is consent = if people want this stuff and it's 
legal, how can we deny them
 
all one can do is provide the full picture of the nature of these things
 
if people don't want to know then we have no business trying to 
intervene in their experiments unless invited to do so
 
roll on the holistic paradigm and deep meditation for loonies, 
straitjackets for psychiatrists, padded cells for Tantric yogis, 
 
and education and compassion for all.....
 
i guess i'd question the roots of why people think they need prozac 
rather than simply attacking prozac itself....
 
Yogi Tom  
--  
Tom Aston 
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:32:48 -0700 
From: Mad Coyote joe <joeATnospamflarity.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Ownership 
Message-ID: <3378FA1F.1739ATnospamflarity.com> 
 
Joseph Miller wrote: 
> 
 
>  
> I realize "owning the list" is a computer term, but it is an administrative term 
> having meaning only to the people who run the ISP and the person moderating the 
> list. To continually use it to define your relationship to the list and us can 
> have a very negative effect. 
 
Dear Joe
 
I like you name.  I you are ever in Okinawa, you will find that the 
native Okinawans already know it.  It was somewhat surprising to me at 
first, but I eventually got used to being famous.
 
I understand you problem with the word 'ownership' in the context of 
this list.  However, I do believe there are certain costs involved which 
do not include the list 'owners' labor.  
 
Since I did not contribute to the upkeep of this list in any fashion 
except to prattle on, it does not bother me in the least to be 'owned' 
in this way.  She could call us the list slaves and I would just 
chuckle.
 
I agree with you about the humor.
 
Nastyme
 
joe 
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:48:29 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Fwd: Prozac and Mystress Angelique 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970512204829.0a27c508ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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At 17:12 13/05/97 -0400, LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com wrote: 
>Could you post the URL for the site where you found instructions on the 
>merkaba meditation? 
>Thanx, :-) 
> 
>Kat
 
  Usually I would send you to Spiritweb.org, but they are shut down under 
construction till May 20/97. So I put it up on my site instead. I have a 
copy of the 18 breath merkaba someone posted to Conflight list.  
This page is located at http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/merkaba.htm  
  Apparently there is also a 27 breath Merkaba, I haven't done that one. 
  Drunvalo suggests you gather quite a bit of information on the Merkaba 
before you create one, he suggests it is a dangerous thing to do casually. 
Get approval and support of higher self before engaging this energy. 
  I figure, we have only fear to fear... do be careful, tho... 
  The list Merkaba expert is Jon Locke, <voltronATnospamvoy.net> he of the many 
UFO images.  
  I am sure he can provide you with lot's o' stuff on Merkaba, dimension 
travel, ascension. Kewl Guy... Please ask him to share directly, not to the 
list... he will put you on his private mailing list. 
  On another list I belong to, the topic of the moment is using the merkaba 
as an inverted tornado to produce an invisibility field and avoid speeding 
tickets... 
  Careful, tho.. invisible cars get into accidents quite easily. 
 Blessings, Angelique.
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:53:29 -0400 (EDT) 
From: RWilli2ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Prozac and K 
Message-ID: <970513215303_641334233ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
 
Ken,  Thank you for your thoughts and support.  I am currently taking Paxil, 
which is a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.  I suffer from anxiety and 
panic attacks and since taking Paxil, I have been able to relax for the first 
time in years.  Now I can sit for meditation, practice yoga and enjoy life. 
 From my point of view, my life before Paxil was not as full and enjoyable. 
 Thanks again for your post.
 
Love 
Roseann 
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:59:05 -0800 (AKDT) 
From: maeror <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu> 
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Prozac and K 
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970513160346.6802B-100000ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu> 
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On Tue, 13 May 1997, David Bozzi wrote:
 
> maeror wrote: 
>  
> > That description of how people with severe depression feel (and how I 
> > felt) was meant to show how meaningless such advice is when you do not 
> > care about _anything_. 
> 
> I'm not offering advice. 
> I'm telling you how it is. 
> The pain is a door. 
> I got out by walking through it. 
> The more I fought it, and resisted it, the more 
> of my power I surrendered to it. 
> 
> > Many bipolar individuals feel that their whole lives.  It's not a doorway, 
> > it's emotional pain they do NOT deserve... it's not karma (the effects of 
> > attachments) it's just suffering. 
> 
> The key is perspective.  
> Not advice. A fact.  
> 
> > How would you treat it?  How would you help them hope?  How would you 
> > counter years of pain? 
> 
> Deal only with the moment. That is all there is. 
> Not advice. A fact.
 
Yes, that is the fact.  Physical pain that can leave you on the floor, 
screaming.  How can the pain of suicide compare?  Emotional pain that 
simply leaves you dead inside, with an overwhelming desire to kill 
yourself.  That's the moment, and the moment never changes.
 
How do you help the millions who are suffering?  Kundalini has not 
awakened within them, they don't have OBEs or anything else.  They look 
around and they see nothing to live for.  They ask what God has done for 
them.  Live for the moment?  The moment is empty.  Live for what?  It may 
be fact, but it brings no comfort.  I can tell a fundamentalist that 
eternal damnation is a myth.  Will it be accepted?  I can tell you God is 
irrelevant.  Will you accept it?
 
Can someone on the list tell me how a bipolar person can change his 
perspective and become, at the very least, content?  Please be as detailed 
as possible.  Leave out God, mysticism, biased religious interpretation, 
and New Age rubbish.  How will you get his attention?  How will you manage 
to keep it?
 
How do you bring hope to someone who can only feel despair?  People have 
suggested alternate drug treatments on this list.  Forget them as well. 
You are perceiving a difference between them and others where there isn't 
one.
 
How do you ease their pain?
 
> > Do that, and then what you said might have meaning for some of them. 
> > Until then it's just as meaningless as a fundamentalist telling you to 
> > puh-ray to the lawd jee-sus. 
>  
> Maybe so. The key lies not in what anyone or anything 
> can give you. 
>  
> If you can not get it from yourself, then where will you get it?
 
What can you give yourself?  Oh hell, someone put a bullet in my leg.  I 
must find the cure myself, with no help.  It's too bad I have no skill at 
such things.  The lack of tools makes it worse.  It's a problem with the 
BODY not the SPIRIT.  To say otherwise is as idiotic as claiming someone 
with MS has a demon inside him.
 
When someone is about to kill himself you don't quote platitudes, you 
produce results.  People kill themselves to escape pain.  While the 
anti-drug folks sit there and lecture, the psychiatric profession offers a 
way to help you cope with the pain.  Which route do you think most people 
will take?  Bipolar disorder has nothing to do with your thoughts or 
actions.  People in here seem to be saying psychiatrists know only of the 
brain, nothing of the spirit... well guess where the problem is!  The 
brain!  Counseling can increase your tolerance for this pain but it won't 
decrease the pain itself.
 
As for suicidal people killing themselves after taking anti-depressants... 
oh, wait, nevermind.
 
> > "I miss the comfort in being sad" 
> > -Kurt Cobain 
> 
> We miss what we desire.
 
A more accurate interpretation of his statement would be:  I miss the 
comfort in feeling.  Yes, I desire it.
 
I read a book... it's raining out, so I open my window.  The fresh air 
brings a smile to my face; another thing to love, another reason to be 
happy.  Each event, each setting it takes place in, inspires a very 
specific emotion/mood/thought/impression, and I love it all, the way 
everything blends together.  Everything a part of everything else...  My 
legs are filled with shooting pain and that's wonderful, it makes me want 
to cry, but maybe later, I am reading right now.  My head is pounding with 
pain, begging for rest, but I am having far too much fun.  It fades out as 
I return my attention to the book, so all is well.  I have read this book 
twice before, but each time I read it something is new, there is always 
something else to be discovered.
 
That's how I used to be.  All the time, with everything.  That is not how 
I am now.  Perhaps it is only a foolish longing for innocence.
 
-- 
"I miss the comfort in being sad" 
-Kurt Cobain
 
"Either this wallpaper goes or I do." 
-last words of Oscar Wilde 
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:24:41 
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Merkaba Meditation WEb Site. 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970512212441.30871c00ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
There is a new web site dedicated to the Merkaba. Thought you might find it 
interesting. It is: 
http://www2.cruzio.com/~flower/index.html 
Enjoy, 
Jon 
Jon Locke 
The Philosopher's Stone 
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
 
voltronATnospamvoyageronline.net  
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:14:14 -1000 (HST) 
From: Kim Kristensen <KjeldskovATnospamaol.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199705140314.RAA11315ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
Not sure if this describes kundalini, but here goes: 
When I was 14 years old I enjoyed the music of a group called 
 King Crimson.  Soon after getting their first album, I sat in a 
 darkened room listening to "In the Court of the Crimson King".  
The music rises to a crescendo, and when it did, so did I.   
I felt a rush of energy, like electricity, go up my back and out the 
 top of my head.  I stood bolt upright and was quite frightened.   
I thought someting was wrong with me and that I had experienced some  
kind of seizure.  I did not practice any kind of yoga, was not into  
any new age stuff, wasn't doing any drugs, and had never heard of  
kundalini.  I was only sitting quietly and focusing on the music I  
loved.
 
So, what happened to me?  Was it kundalini? 
kim 
Date: 13 May 97 23:22:04 EDT 
From: Indira Singh <76460.3057ATnospamCompuServe.com> 
To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe  kundalini-l 
Message-ID: <970514032204_76460.3057_CHR86-1ATnospamCompuServe.COM>
 
Hello,
 
Can you help me - I'd like to get myself Unscubscribed from this list, but the 
usual procedure doesn't work.  
 
Thank you.
 
 
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