1997/05/11  18:28  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #225 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 225
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!. 
  Unidentified subject! 
  a little poetry for the weekend 
  Re: This list 
  Re: This list 
  Re: Remaining on the list 
  Re: A day in hell 
  Re: Fw: (Fwd) Fwd: This is pretty cool! 
  Re: Steve's Question #3 
  The Power of Krishna 
  Kosmic Lotus 
  Re: Remaining on the list 
  Phyllis' trademarking-forward 
  sushumna nadi 
  Re: Great Post Gloria--Gimme some Demons!. 
  Re: Remaining on the list 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:13:25 -0400 (EDT) 
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca> 
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
cc: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>, 
 kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com, rtrATnospammicron.net, 
 fullpubATnospamthegrid.net, V37PopsATnospamaol.com 
Subject: Re: List Mystress Note/ Demons!. 
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Dear Gloria,
 
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. 
I agree with you... you cannot have the light without the dark. One 
defines the other. It's both sides of duality which is this world that we 
live in. You cannot have God:in it's many names.. without the devil:in 
it's many forms... which is even hard for 
me to swallow because I try and see the good in all that I meet and see. 
But some times the deep negativity just stares in your face and then takes 
on some form. I've seen it in myself and in others, but have never had a 
problems releasing these things... I usually qualify the releasing with go 
back to your origin or ask the angels to take it away and use their 
judgement as to where it needs to go. 
 
I think some may go a little overboard on demonology though. I have 
friends who everytime something negative happens they blame it on demons. 
They are mainly heavily Christian based in their views though.
 
I also think that we cannot and will  not ever understand all there is to 
know about the heavenly heirarchy until we ultimately return there. All we 
can do is stay close to spirit and learn as we are taught. That is why I 
really appreciate posts on others experiences. We can talk about theiries 
etc. but it is in experience that the real teaching is made.... healings, 
channelings, realizations during meditations, dreams etc.
 
You cannot deal with K awakening without developing some sort of spiritual 
beliefs to help define it and deal with it. 
If not before .. then after.. 
I mean if your k energy is active then .. Wow! you're automatically put on 
a spiritual fast track. There's no looking back:)
 
take care 
namaste 
WaterFall
 
 On Sat, 10 May 1997, Gloria Greco wrote:
 
>  In the beginning I came on many times with posts on Divine Will and 
> detachment which many reacted to because of bringing in God and 'thy 
> will and not my will.' Each of you know me for these postings is that 
> not right? SOMETIMES YOU LIKED IT OTHER TIMES YOU DIDN;T.
 
snipity snip.... 
     * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *  
    Looking through Lightworking eyes,  
      Living through a Loveworking heart. 
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller 
     In lak'ech  Nancy...WaterFall in spirit   nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca 
 
     
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:30:10 +0100 
From: bobATnospamakasha.net (bob crowder) 
To: "'Kundalini-l'" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Unidentified subject! 
Message-ID: <01BC5E07.122751C0ATnospamBOB> 
 
The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. 
The name that can be named is not the eternal name. 
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. 
The named is the mother of ten thousand things. 
Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. 
Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations. 
These two spring from the same source but differ in name; 
   this appears as darkness. 
Darkness within darkness. 
The gate to all mystery.
 
 
>From Tao Te Ching
 
BobATnospamakasha.net 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:35:15 +0100 
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: a little poetry for the weekend 
Message-Id: <18351508806401ATnospampeconic.net> 
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Here's a little love from me to you 
 It is spiritual Love and it is nothing 
nothing to you, I trust you trust nirvana 
with in you to quickly make it into nothing 
and put it in to the soup that God is cooking 
 for us all, in fact the spirit is the biggest brew 
 of them all, so, next time you want a nothing 
to discard, take a quick look at your spirit  
 and toss it to your God!! 
Love LoveLoveLOveLoveLovelovelove 
Raven' Raven
 
 
 
>---------------------------------------- 
>going through some old notes today i found these extracts from a DH 
>Lawrence poem which shares something with kundalini transformation..... 
> 
>New Heaven and Earth 
> 
>God, but it is good to have died and been trodden out, 
>trodden to nought in sour, dead earth, 
>quite to nought, 
>absolutely to nothing 
>nothing 
>nothing 
>nothing 
> 
>Ha, I was a blaze leaping up! 
>I was a tiger bursting into sunlight. 
>I was greedy, I was mad for the unknown. 
>I, new-risen, resurrected, starved from the tomb, 
>starved frm a life of devouring always myself 
>now here was I, new-awakened, with my hand stretching out 
>and touching the unknown, the real unknown, unknown unknown 
> 
>...I am thrown upon the shore 
>...the unknown, the new world 
> 
>regards  
> 
>Tom 
> 
>ps i enjoyed Lobster's admission of a chequered history of 
>exclusion and persecution considerably - thankyou for that... 
> 
>when people start to persecute you the chances are you're making 
>progress..... 
>--  
>Tom Aston 
> 
> 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:47:52 -0400 (EDT) 
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: This list 
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Thanks Peter...
 
There is so much wisdom in your words.
 
It hurts me to see people that I care about getting into power struggles. 
When if they would just sit back and listen to each other with an open 
mind 
they might see that they are really in agreement..but just using different 
words to say the same things.
 
Love 
WaterFall
 
 On Sun, 11 May 1997, Peter Spear wrote: 
> It is with great joy that i read all the posts to this list. To read of the 
snip... 
> This list is here so we can interchange love, feelings and emotions. Please 
> be tolerant of each other and overlook the transgressions, lets not be 
> negative and look for faults, lets find the positive things and dwell on 
> them, by doing so we each will show our maturity. 
-> Peter from New Zealand 
> 
 
     * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *  
    Looking through Lightworking eyes,  
      Living through a Loveworking heart. 
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller 
     In lak'ech  Nancy...WaterFall in spirit   nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca 
 
     
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 07:34:23 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: This list 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970510073423.342739c4ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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At 20:47 10/05/97 -0500, Zarathu wrote: 
>Does anyone know how to get off this list?  
>eric 
  Eric has been removed.  
  -List Mystress.
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
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 "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce 
     the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know 
     this is not true."            Robert Wilensky, University of California 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:30:56 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list 
Message-ID: <33762C80.1C20ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Another domino falls:
 
Gloria, I came on the list while you were away. 
 
When you returned I watched your stream of posts and felt
 
the heat of the heart.
 
That lesson of the heart touched me, and I told you so.
 
Admist a lot of intectual posturing, and clever
 
manipulation of words, on this list, you speak from where it matters.
 
Where ever your heart leads you, I thank you for reminding
 
me what this journey is really about.
 
A journey of the heart.
 
David 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:36:04 -0700 
From: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net> 
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: A day in hell 
Message-ID: <33762DB4.67E9A36DATnospamserv.net> 
 
Tom Aston wrote: 
the opening of the throat chakra marks a need for a mystical 
understanding that dissolves all our conditioned ideas about love, 
spirituality and who we really are - that served us so well in the heart 
chakra... 
>  
ultimately we will return to the heart,but only after the throat, the 
gateway to the head chakras, has opened and we have seen into the empty 
skull of Tantra and dissolved our old understanding. 
>  
just as the teaching of kill the buddha can come in handy when one has 
outgrown rules, rituals and beliefs and even conceptual thought itself, 
so can killing all conceptions of self and other, so in reality there is 
no one to love and no one to be loved...which can all be rather alarming 
at first ! but doesn't actually preclude the possibility of love, only 
not in the way we are accustomed to experiencing it in our conditioned 
experience...... 
>  
negativity and weird stuff is not unusual with the throat chakra opening 
especially if one is under pressure to respond to outer events like 
computers crashing and bosses giving orders...the throat chakra really 
wants us to turn within and discover the esoteric understanding that is 
so hard to grasp unless one experiences it for oneself.... 
>  
try and minimise the outer business of life for a while if 
possible...... 
>  
mantra and sound become very important with the throat as both bring a 
deep but subtle understanding....this can be effortless and require very 
little in way of practice of meditation or ritual....you may even feel 
bad because it's all too easy and you seem to be the only person having 
these experiences... 
>  
you may not necessarily like what you find out about yourself and others 
initially, so best to keep it to yourself and kundalini yogis who 
understand better.... 
>  
> detachment may arise for a while as the throat can enable you to see 
> through the appearances of normality into the underlying dilemmas of 
> conditioning.... 
>  
> don't ignore this process as one way or another it will have its way 
> with you, believe your intuitions my friend, they are true ! 
>  
> might help to write it all down as things can move very quickly and 
> therapy can be a matter of DIY.... 
>  
> regards Yogi Tom 
> 
 
Tom, 
Just wanted to say this was very helpful to me. Thanks for sharing it! 
Pamela
 
  .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
     "Life does not happen to us,  
 it happens from within us." 
    ---- Mike Wickett 
  .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:45:56 -0400 
From: "Larry Killen" <mosiahATnospammindspring.com> 
To: "Kundalini List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <dorATnospamhlc.com> 
Subject: Re: Fw: (Fwd) Fwd: This is pretty cool! 
Message-Id: <199705112047.QAA14805ATnospambrickbat8.mindspring.com> 
 
Thanks dor, 
And I have no qualms with the sweet Mystress Angelique Serpent.  She 
watches over this list like a nurturing mother.  I have seen lists go down 
the tubes that were completely unmonitored for their are some who find any 
free spirited talk of enlightenment as totally threatening.  If being 
'mildly' called to the carpet for an occasional transgression is the price 
that must be paid to preserve such a wonderful forum, than so be it.
 
     \\\|///           
      (  O O  )                 
    --o00--(._.)--00o--	      
      Larry T. Killen 
 TRW Systems Integration Group 
 serving the Centers for Disease Control 
 wk (770)488-7404 
 hm (770)932-9169  
 mosiahATnospammindspring.com 
 killenlATnospamscis.acast.nova.edu 
 lak6ATnospamcdc.gov 
 
 
  "Opinions expressed here are strictly mine but should be yours"
 
---------- 
> From: dorATnospamhlc.com 
> To: Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com> 
> Subject: Re: Fw: (Fwd) Fwd: This is pretty cool! 
> Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 2:24 PM 
>  
> Maybe it didn't have anything to do with kundalini, and I thought it was 
> pretty neat. Then again, I have had inner visions where I bet some of 
them 
> looked like some of those patterns, especially the zig-zag stuff, the 
colors 
> of the rainbow, too bad this wasn't in color, maybe others have seen this 
as 
> well. Just a passing thought!     dor 
>  
>  
> At 05:47 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote: 
> >---------- 
> >> From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
> >> To: Larry Killen <mosiahATnospammindspring.com>; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
> >> Subject: Re: Fw: (Fwd) Fwd: This is pretty cool! 
> >> Date: Thursday, May 08, 1997 12:01 PM 
> >>  
> >> At 10:42 09/05/97 -0400, Larry Killen wrote: 
> >>  
> >> <28k!!! OF FORWARDED OFF TOPIC SPAM NOISE PATTERN GIBBERISH 
snipped!!!> 
> >>   Larry, What does this have to do with Kundalini?  
> > 
> >Ouch! 
> > 
> > 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:56:00 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Steve's Question #3 
Message-ID: <33763260.777ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Karen Jean Armstrong wrote: 
>  
> Hi Steve and All: 
>  
> I am interested in the answer to Steve's question "Number 3".  I believe my 
> husband has a simular ability as Steve described with his girlfriend.  My 
> husband can help calm me when I am very upset by rubbing my back between 
> the shoulder blades and I feel a tingling sensation there.
 
In Carlos Castenada's work, the area between the shoulder blades
 
is a point where the assemblage point can be moved.
 
When I say assemblage point, I mean your attention point.
 
There is a subtle energy field around our bodies, shaped like an
 
egg.  It is possible to move our assemblage point to different
 
areas of the luminous egg. Each point on the egg is a new 
 
perspective, world, or state of consciousness.
 
Don Juan would often shift Carlos's assemblage point by slapping
 
him on that point between the shoulder blades. 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:38:44 -0500 (CDT) 
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: The Power of Krishna 
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The Power of Krishna :
 
The veil is lifted, 
as the absolute identity is revealed. 
The laws of karma, 
become more than a mundane idea. 
The One has manifested itself as many, 
and this cosmic game fades to bliss. 
Many of us forgot 
the laws of self in relation to the universe 
as we tumble in the wheel of death/rebirth. 
Awaken Krishna 
and free oneself from the mundane microcosm. 
The wings of cosmic justice 
lie within the overtones as subtle experience. 
Alas, the psyche becomes in tune with the supreme harmony! 
     
bye, nothing is 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:40:46 -0500 (CDT) 
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Kosmic Lotus 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970511163907.658B-100000ATnospampiranha.itlabs.umn.edu> 
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Kosmic Lotus :
 
The ego was only my lauchpad, 
renounce worldly desires and prepare for space travel. 
The fruit of one's action 
lies within as a growing kosmic lotus. 
      
Bye, nothing is                          
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:56:59 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: Zensual2UATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970510165659.0b3f0720ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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At 10:25 11/05/97 -0400, Zensual2UATnospamaol.com wrote: 
<...> 
>I have gotten alot of very valuable info here but I can not keep up with the 
>volume of mail sent each day. I have limited time and space.. I wish there 
>were an alternative 
>method to receive Kundalini info.. like messageboards and newsletters. 
<...> Perhaps you can tell me if there is an alternative to access the 
>same type of info without being barraged with 
>mail.. Other sites have messageboards.. do you? 
> 
  Hiya Zensual:  
  I removed you already, didn't I? Just too efficient sometimes I guess. 
  There is no message board, but there is a digest and list archives.  
  With the digest, you get the mail in 32k packets as it accumulates. 1 or 
3 fat posts per day, instead of 15 to 50.  
  With the archives, you can retrieve stored digests at your own speed. 
  The Archives from Dec/96 are stored with Reference.com, the address is in 
my sig. I believe we are on digest #222 right now.  
  I have not spent much time there, but I believe the archives are searchable. 
  Also in my sig are instructions to subscribe to the digest. 
 
  A newsletter is an interesting idea tho... the availability of a 
newsletter that is only the juciest and most useful list bits might be a 
way to help out those members who are forced off list by volume, but need 
the info to deal with thier process. 
  Snipping the digest and reposting it to a smaller group might be a good 
option, or posting a weeks best mail on a website every week might be a 
good idea, too. 
  Thanks for the good ideas, Zensual!  
 
    If you need more info, feel free to write to me at 
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com 
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:15:25 
From: Melissa Shubha Smith <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Phyllis' trademarking-forward 
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>Return-Path: <reikiATnospamxs4all.nl> 
>From: Ton Driessen <reikiATnospamxs4all.nl> 
>To: "'ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com'" <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
>Subject: Phyllis' trademarking 
>Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:39:57 +0200 
> 
>Hello, friend  
> 
>I received a message this morning regarding Phyllis' activities around 
trademarking. I was initiated by her as a Master in 1986 and if you feel my 
reaction is biased it is probably true. What is also true is that I am a 
bit closer to the source of all that Phyllis writes and talks about. It is 
true that she intends to trademark "Reiki", "The Usui System of Natural (or 
"Reiki") Healing" and "Usui Shiki Ryoho", or rather that is already 
happening and has happened throughout many countries of the world.  Mind 
you I am talking about a healing art, not the universal energy called 
Reiki. But as you know many times people talk about Reiki, where they mean 
the System. 
> 
>There is some history. Here in Holland an  attempt to trademark was made 
about ten years ago by some Masters. They had the same intention as what is 
being put on Phyllis in this note from William Rand: to prevent who do not 
seem to fit in the Usui System to use the logo and the words that go along 
with it. Still ongoing today there is a legal dispute in Germany where a 
Master called Jupp Hilger is trying to trademark everything, also for the 
same reasons (or so he says). Phyllis and a lot of concerned Reiki-Masters 
have gone to court about this, but as yet there is no conclusion. In both 
these examples it was hard to distinguish who was  to decide which one of 
us was to be a Master in good standing order. 
> 
>Reiki-Masters across the world have different views on where Phyllis 
stands and her position as a GrandMaster or Lineage-Bearer. 
>I think I will set myself up here, if I say to you that you have to accept 
and honour her as such.  
>You will have to accept though, that it is through her that I came in 
touch with what happened in Reiki-world. In 1986 there was no William Rand, 
there were no Japanese Reiki-Masters from the lineage of Hayashi known in 
the western world (I am not saying they did not exist). There was however 
Phyllis, recognized and ackowledged Grandmaster by all those Masters who 
were initiated by Hawayo Takata, except for Barbara Brown, founder of the 
American Reiki Association. I have come to know her as a strong 
personality, who has a deep commitment to the Usui System of Reiki Healing. 
>I have been and still am a critical observer of her actions during the 
bigger part of her path as a Master. We have had our differences of 
opinion, and will continue to have them in the future. But our relationship 
is alive and kicking so to speak. 
> 
>Phyllis knows and acknowledges that trademarking of the word Reiki and the 
other phrases can happen in some countries and cannot in others. She 
intends to support and safeguard the System, entrusted to her in the early 
80's. I am not sure that it is about wanting to be in control, as is 
suggested by William Rand. I see it as taking responsibility for the 
System. I am certain it is not about money either, like William Rand 
suggests. I am truly sick and tired to hear to these assumptions. It is a 
case of calling the kettle black. What is true for me is that I would never 
entrust anything as powerful and beautiful as Reiki to someone, who is not 
willing to do a big exchange in energy (not just money!).  
> 
>On a more personal note: I too feel it is time to do something about the 
widespread unclarity and rampant developments of the Usui System of Reiki 
Healing. In her valiant efforts I will support Phyllis by doing what I can 
and trying to be a critical observer.  
>I have seen and heard many cosmic reframes about those who consider 
themselves Masters in The Usui System of Reiki Healing.  
>This System has certain rules and guidelines. Most of those who wish to 
keep Reiki "free" (William Rand's way of creating an atmosphere?) do not 
live up or have heard even from these rules and guidelines. Masters do not 
have to do this, but they would be in their integrity not to call 
themselves Masters in the Usui System of Reiki Healing.  
>And that is what this whole thing is about, as far as I can see... 
> 
>I have a wish and a dream: I wish that through all of this we come closer 
and more aware and respectful of each others existence. I dream of a world 
where Reiki is as common as air and where the proper use is no point of 
argument.  
> You are welcome to relay this message to anyone you want. 
>   I wish you well, 
> 
> 
>Ton Driessen, Reiki-Master in the Usui System of Natural Healing 
> 
>Trintel 55, 
>1141 DL Monnickendam, Holland 
>Phone 0031-299-657499 
> 
> 
> 
> 
REIKI Master Melissa Shubha Smith 
The REIKI Lightway - The Heart is The Hub of All Spaces, Go There and Roam 
Om Namah Shivaya
 
webpage: 
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3035
 
e-mail: 
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:44:25 
From: Melissa Shubha Smith <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: sushumna nadi 
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) """ I have heard some people describe their kundalini process, and they 
include a reference to their karma being cleared. What do they mean by 
this precisely?  How is it experienced (ie how do they know this is 
happening)?  And finally, by what mechanism does K clear karma?  how does 
this happen?""""
 
SAMSCARAS
 
The Central Channel of the Etheric Body is known as the "Sushumna Nadi. On 
Either side of this central channel from, which all energy centers known as 
chakras eminate from, are 2 other channels that intertwine around the 
sushumna nadi. They are known as the ida and pingala. They are white and 
red...often seen by seekers in the sahasrara chakras or crown chakras as 
little feet...or padukas...
 
In this central channel...the sushumna nadi....are what is know as all the 
seeds of our karmas from all our life times....these "seeds" are known as 
samscaras. The samscaras are little seeds waiting to sprout so we can 
experience accumulated karma while living in the physical form.(this is the 
learning experience called life)
 
When our Kundalini Shakti or Kundalini Energy is activated in the 
mudalahara or base chakras ...it moves up through the sushumna nadi. The 
energy of the Kundalini activates an accelerated force that "burns" or 
roasts the seeds of some of our karmas in a dynamic way. The way this often 
happens is that "Likes" are attracted to "Likes"...in other words...people 
with the same types of "samscaras" are drawn together. The energy of the 
"like or same" type samscaras (or seeds of karma)...helps to burn the karma 
or clear the karma from the sushumna nadi therefore purifying the spiritual 
aspirant. This is turn clears all the subtle nadis in the physical body as 
well as the larger energy centers known as chakras. This can manifest as 
"kriyas" which are spiritual, physical, mental, or emotional purifications 
of the samscara. Often in kundalini awakening we will see interesting and 
unusual (as alot on this list can attest to) manifestation of our karma 
becoming purified. 
That is why its thought to have a strong spiritual master with the 
grace/lineage/mission to guide one thru the spiritual path of awakened 
kundalini conciousness. These purifications can be very confusing and 
mysterious to those that do not have guidance. 
Shaktipat...is the spiritual energy that awakens the spiritual aspirant. To 
activate and accelerate the kundalini of persons ...without the proper 
background is a mistake and one that could harm others unwittingly. 
Therefore it is important for spiritual seekers to be discriminating in 
thier choice of a kundalini master.
 
I can contribute to 
this project in a unique way (nobody else has mentioned this yet..)
 
 Anyhow, I have a brief concept here for it:  pages with graphics 
and guided meditations for moving energy, aligning chakras, and awakening 
kundalini.  One such page might have a series of seven images, which are 
designed to work on each chakra in turn.  And finally, one symbol which we 
all choose, which we all empower with our energies, to awaken kundalini. 
Also  included will be various exercises contributed by anyone here who 
wishes to.  Even if this doesn't awaken K, it will sure be an interesting 
experiment with spirtuality on the web.  Please let me know if anybody can 
help with this.
 
I would advise the person who wrote the above question who suggested in his 
letter that he had ability to activate and awaken kundalini thru the 
chakras.....really examine his motivations and background...If you had to 
ask how karmic purification occurs....then....you are not ready to align 
chakras,  or awaken kundalini. This would be irresponsible.  Be careful.
 
Yours on the Path, 
Ganesha
 
REIKI Master Melissa Shubha Smith 
The REIKI Lightway - The Heart is The Hub of All Spaces, Go There and Roam 
Om Namah Shivaya
 
webpage: 
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3035
 
e-mail: 
ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com
 
IRC: Server: irc.superlink.net Channel: #bridge Nick: Ganesha 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:01:37 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Mad Coyote joe <joeATnospamflarity.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Great Post Gloria--Gimme some Demons!. 
Message-ID: <3375C331.4C0DATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Mad Coyote joe wrote: 
>  
> Gloria Greco wrote: 
> > 
>  
> > NOTE: 
> > I DON'T KNOW THAT I WILL STAY ON THE LIST, IT VERY WELL MAYBE THAT WHAT 
> > I BRING IN DOESN'T FIT WITH THE INTENTIONS THAT MYSTRESS HAS FOR  THE 
> > LIST. 
> Gloria, 
>  
> Dear Joe, 
 Thanks for your nice responce, I'm just going to see how things come 
together. Nothing ever happens that isn't for a specific reason. 
Mystress and I are talking so it is really in God's hands. I have no 
problem cutting the posts, I had just been told no to before. Gloria 
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:09:21 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net 
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Remaining on the list 
Message-ID: <3375C500.7E96ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
David Bozzi wrote: 
>  
> Another domino falls: 
>  
> Gloria, I came on the list while you were away. 
>  
> When you returned I watched your stream of posts and felt 
>  
> the heat of the heart. 
>  
> That lesson of the heart touched me, and I told you so. 
>  
> Admist a lot of intectual posturing, and clever 
>  
> manipulation of words, on this list, you speak from where it matters. 
>  
> Where ever your heart leads you, I thank you for reminding 
>  
> me what this journey is really about. 
>  
> A journey of the heart. 
>  
> David
 
David, 
 Living in the heart is what this world needs more then anything else, 
just the people on this list would change the world. It is something 
that clearly manifests change because one does nothing but accept and 
flow with lfe as it comes down. A dear friend of mine ho I've worked 
with for many years has recently been lifted into the high energy stream 
of Divine Will, she says, its like starting all over again because it 
is  so very different, and yes you do know that it is home and where you 
belong. Gloria
 
 
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