1997/05/01 10:07
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #204
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 204
Today's Topics:
Re: What do you do with the kundalini when you've got it?
Satan
thanks for MS info
mysterious sign?
Re: Dear confused in Gloria
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:23:13
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Bruno Callipari <bruno_cATnospammildura.net.au>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: senATnospamcruzio.com
Subject: Re: What do you do with the kundalini when you've got it?
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At 00:58 01/05/97 +1000, Bruno Callipari wrote:
> PLEASE ANSWER TOM, LOBSTER OR MISTRESS ANGELIQUE!!
> My name is Bruno. I experienced kundalini in 1992 and I am 23 years old.
>It's been 5 times now since I've been hospitalised and treated for psychosis
>instead.
Hello Bruno:
I am complimented that you ask for my advice. Thankyou. I will do my best,
but before I say I word I must declare that I am an actor, comedienne and
hairstylist by training, and in no way qualified in real world terms to
give medical or psychiatric advice.
> But then, who do you go to when you've got kundalini
>anyway?(please answer).
You will find folks that are qualified, and K. aware at the Spiritual
Emergence Network <senATnospamcruzio.com>. Get thee hence!!! Helping people in
your exact situation is what they were created for. Go help the SEN fulfill
it's purpose.
I didn't even know what it was or that I had it
>until now. Also, the psychiatric body are yet to classify my mental status
>and it was only when I was flicking through the latest copy of *Wellbeing*
>magazine that I momentarily jumped a milestone into reality, as opposed to
>out of it like I am feeling.
No, they do not have the information to know what is up with you.
I suspect that some of your feelings of unreality come from being a
ducking in with chickens. Your reality is real to you, just not too many
folks share the fullness of that reality, and you have stepped out of the
reality-loop most folks deal with.
There is a thought experiment on my website that will give you a
different perspective on how we process "reality".
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/facts.htm
(for our younger listmembers: please don't click the index button at the
bottom of this page..don't surf the rest my site, some of the other pages
are Adult content and I don't want you getting me into trouble!)
> From this list I have gathered that the medication is toxic and suppresses
>kundalini. I actually upheld jobs with it and was an art student.
My regular medications are orange pekoe tea with cream and demerra sugar,
flax seed oil, and tobacco+pot inhaled several times daily. Sacred herbs
from ancient times.
> They say I am skitzo-affective.
I don't know what that means, exactly.
I had a neighbor who was schizophrenic. She was the most sensitive, gentle
person I ever met. If you looked at her sideways she would come to you two
days later to apologise profusely for something she had done that she
thought might have offended you somehow. She heard voices. The place she
said she felt most comfortable was the Hari Krishna temple.
> The thing is I was mostly rational all
>the way through unless I felt threatened by seclusion and restlessness, and
>through it I mainly spoke of loving and spiritual things, the awakening came
>from intense hurt and alienation, illogically present in my life, when all I
>ever wanted was to love.
What I am getting here is that you need to find your purpose in this
life. That is what will ground you when there are not people and activities
to give your energy to.
There are many resources around to help you find your purpose. it gets
fullness and clarity researched inside yourself, through your history of
feelings.
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey has purpose
seeking excercises inside.
The Celestine Prophecies has parables about seeking purpose through
examining your parents influence.
Think of all the things you really love, and all the things you hate, and
what qualities those things have in common. Write it down. List all the
things you do well, and all the things you feel you fail at, without
judging the failures negatively. Think of what causes mean most to you, and
what you wanted to do when you grew up.
All the best times in your life, and all the worst. Find the qualities in
common.
Looking at all these things, you will get a much clearer idea of who You
are, and you will begin to understand exactly what your contribution to
this planet is.
You had some plan in mind, things to do, that's why you're incarnate.
Many on the list have found a creative outlet is absolutely necessary to
stabilising and releasing K. That might be part of the reason why art
school agreed with you.
Art is symbolism, which is the language of the unconscous also. I suspect
if the K. has art as a voice, it doesn't need to be so loud in getting
messages across.
> After being prescribed Lithium, Cogentin, Stelazine and later Risperidone,
>I was told to go off them by the psychiatrist. I became pure love,
>everything around me I wanted to give love, gender had no bearing, tantric
>to say the least because as my kundalini was from build up so too was my
>sexuality. But even then it was erratically controlled by the k-force, with
>interference from heavy injections, there were many times I remember as
>blackouts that I was functioning regularly so I must have been out of my
body.
.... or under hypnosis, or dimension/vibration tripping.
The first time I noticed it was doing palmistry. People would come up to
me a few days after a reading and I found I could remember very little of
what I had told them.
I figured out, whatever altered state I was going into to do the reading,
I was not bringing the memories with me when I came back.
Doing Domination sessions as well... I wondered at first, clientswould
call back months later saying remembr me? We did this and this and it was
so wonderful...
and I'd be going uh huh, of course, not actually remembering a thing or
having any idea of who they were... and they would come for another
session, and interview and sometimes it was not till I had started playing
with them again that the memory of the previous session would come back.
Having practiced self hypnosis since age 12, I figured out that I was
spontaneously going into a hypnotic state, to be able to hyper-focus on the
client with deep intuition and still play my role improvising, and
administer the various stimulation with due care and attention.
I know I have accidentally K. awakened clients, but have few clear
memories as to exactly how... I can only guess higher forces were using me
to accomplish thier ends while I thought I was busy doing other things...
In things I've read and personal experience vibration tripping, I can say
that there are higher vibrations where the answers to intense questions of
life's meaning are so obvious as to be scarcely worth considering, but you
cannot always bring the answers or the memories of the experiences you have
there back clearly with you to this vibration.
Gone faint like a dream, for faith to hold onto as a memory of a
destination. As the vibration goes higher thru the K. Kleanse, the meaning
of life comes clearer, and the experience of it becomes a mirror of
energies, sometimes seeming quite transparent and surreal. At other times
being so intensely vibrant and real as to overwhelm the senses.
> If I was to go off my medication the impact of my kundalini would be too
>much, because I can't control it - its makeup is intense and comes from
>times in my life that were emotionally enduring.
There was a thread wandering the list a few months back, it seemed we
discovered a connection between difficult childhoods and K. We didn't come
to any firm conclusions, but my own theroy is that children facing a
difficult reality are more apt to explore other realities and
realtionships.. invisible friends, for example.
I am very clear that my own higher self chose a seriously dysfunctional
family for me to be borne into with great care, because the best steel
comes from the hottest fires, and one gains a certain understanding of how
things work by seeing the ways that don't work and choosing differently.
Instead of beating up on your self and creating more resistance for your
K. to have to burn off, why not try thinking about evrything being perfect,
and you being guided down exactly the right paths for you all along, you
just didn't know it and got scared.
What if, secretly all this time while you thought things were hard you
have been secretly collecting valuable treasures and skills? You can't see
how valuable these treasures are, becuse you don't know what they are for,
yet. But look at the stuff you have collected as valuable treasure and it's
use comes clearer.
(hint: if you read the biographies of brilliant artists, most of them are
nutso emotional instability... they call it Attention Deficit Disorder, now.)
> I can't function with it
>but I feel I am missing out on so much. Maybe it still manifests no matter
>what the psychiatric drugs do, and it comes out a little. All I want to get
>down to is that I'm not crazy, which connotates that I did it to myself from
>being subversive, but as I can prove with my diaries that I am editing into
>a book, I was very social against terrible family and school limitations.
>In need of the list's honesty and wisdom, band together buddies - bruno_c
>
I cannot tell you you are not crazy, because I'm not sure I'm not
crazy... and do you think a guy who thinks he's a Lobster is normal? What
is normal, anyways?
Won't it be amazing when we hit critical mass and K. awakened is normal?
Whew!
Sometimes the K. can be very cooperative, tho... ask it and/or your diety
of choice to cool things a bit. You've got Guardian angels and helpers
galore, whether you are aware of them or not. The trick is, they are often
of the non-interference type unless you ask them. If you ask them, you will
discover that their power to assist is astonishing, and they are ecstatic
about being asked to help.
It helps to be a little humble in your requests.
End them with "....or something even better", which gives the angels and
your inner self permission to create something even more beautiful than you
can conscously concieve of, to ask for.
"For the Good of all and harm to none" is what we witches use, to be
certain our abundance will not be another's scarcity, or inadverdanly cause
some harm.
And express gratitude in advance for gifts given, at the time of asking.
and when they show up.
Start saying "Thankyou my unconscous" to yourself 40x a day. Express
gratitude to your unconscous, and you will improve your relationship with
yourself.
Make friends with your unconscous. This sounds silly, but it's important,
your unconscous is your best friend in the world, it keeps your heart
beating for you, breathes, digests, controls the minutest workings of every
cell, and stores all of your memories and experiences....yet most folks
spend more time complaining and being mistrustful of thier own unconscous
than thanking it.
You are so afraid of what yours will do next you keep it medicated.
Say "thank you my unconscous", out loud, 3x with heartfelt feeling.
Keep saying it out loud until it sounds very genuinely appreciative.
Feel the happy buzz glow that is it saying you are welcome, I love you.
Say it again 5x, fall over giddy and giggling.
Say it many times every day whenever something good happens, see your
memory improve tremendously.
Unconscous cannot process negative ideas and emotions, it has to stuff
them in a box and wait for an opportunity to present them so they can be
resolved. Usually instead when a black box pops up we say 'oh no not that
again' and stuff it back down...so it gains urgency and size, but does not
get released and processed.
Unconscous knows that any negative experience can be released if we trade
negative emotion in for the learning we recieved. The learning does not
have to be conscous to release the box, the unconscous has the cosmic
understanding of the lesson in the box already, but needs permission to
delete the negative energy. That's why creative visualization works. Paint
your fears and burn them up.
Your unconscous, being your best friend in the world, always has your
best interests at heart.
It does, it does, it does.
It really does, it is taking care of you the best way it can, according to
what you believe about yourself.
Sometimes, though, it is running on old programming. Ideas about what is
best for you that are no longer most effective. It loves you, and is happy
to upgrade, as long as whatever needs represented by your core persona are
still going to be met.
The great thing is, your creative mind can team up with your unconscous
to come up with bizillions of alternate more aligned ways for any need,
once you ask it to. You don't even need to conscously know what the new
program is, just trust.
If you have trust enough, you don't even have to dig through the old
stuff, you don't have to know conscously what needs are being met, or why.
You can just get your unconscous to meet them in a different way.
But, with K. this will be easy stuff.
Dig through, having the Gems conscous is nice.
One result for me, I have been far more successful since I decided to
play for a living, than I ever was when I thought I had to work for a living.
Ask and you shall recieve. See? You asked, and now here is a giant reply...
Hope it helps.... write to SEN!!!
Blessings, Angelique.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
-- Hector Louis Berlioz
Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of
something else anyway. -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide
review board
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:56:27 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Satan
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Here's a couple related views of Satan the list may find interesting.
>From Jung's Mysterium Coniunctionis:
"Although the earth can boast of an earth-spirit and other daemons, they
are after all "spirits" and not "spirit." The "cold" side of nature is not
lacking in spirit, but it is a spirit of a special kind, which Christianity
regarded as demonic and which therefore found no acclaim except in the
realm of the magical arts and sciences. This is the snake-like Nous or
Agathodaimon...the spirit who, in the prayer entitled the "Secret
Inscription" in the Great Magic Papyrus of Paris, is invoked as follows:
"'Greetings, entire edifice of the Spirit of the air, greetings, Spirit
that penetratest from heaven to earth, and from the earth...to the
uttermost bounds of the abyss, greetings, Spirit that penetratest into me,
and shakest me.... O great, greatest, incomprehensible fabric of the
world, formed in a circle! ...dwelling in the aether, having the form of
water, of earth, of fire, of wind, of light, of darkness, star-glittering,
damp-fiery-cold Spirit!'
"Here is a magnificent description of a spirit that is apparently the
exact opposite of the Christian pneuma. This antique spirit is also the
spirit of alchemy.... Although declared to be the devil by the early
Christians, it should not be identified outright with evil; it merely has
the uncomfortable quality of being beyond good and evil...."
And, from Robert Svoboda's book Kundalini:
"As Joseph Campbell documents in his book The Inner Reaches of Outer Space,
the force that the Tantras call Kundalini has been represented as a serpent
in many world cultures, including the Sumerian, Chinese, ancient Irish,
Aztec, and Greek (the caduceus). Images of Kundalini as the Serpent Power
predominantly reflect Her power of possessiveness, of Maya...which is the
skin of the universe....
"Although the snake is regarded as demonic in the mainline
Judeo-Christian tradition, the Gnostics believed that the serpent in the
Garden of Eden was trying to free Adam and Eve from bondage to a limited
world-god and to give them knowledge of the absolute. Vimalananda, who
refused to entertain the concept of Original Sin, also regarded the story
of Adam and Eve as a Kundalini myth, a representation of the descent of
consciousness into matter....
"Jesus himself used snake imagery when in conversation with Nicodemus
(John 3:14). He likened Himself to the serpent of bronze elevated by Moses
in the wilderness (Numbers 21:5-9), and Campbell's book reproduces a
striking image, possibly originating with the 'ophitic' tradition (ophis =
serpent in Greek), of Christ-as-Serpent on the cross flanked by two
thieves. It does not seem unreasonalbe to draw a parallel between this
image and that of Sushumna, filled with Shakti, flanked by the Chandra and
Surya Nadis."
I think there's quite a bit more to be said about this. Particularly
interesting to me is the evolution of the meaning of the Christ symbol. We
are all conditioned to equate Christ with pure love, the golden and
palpable flame in the heart, the awakened Anahata chakra. Yet this "Sacred
Heart" tradition is relatively recent, beginning in the twelfth century and
not fully developed and accepted until the seventeenth. From biblical
descriptions of Christ's healings, it seems that much more was at work than
the benign light in the heart!
Well, before I get in trouble with some K-folk, I confess that I too
feel the value of this Love, and its necessity in today's world. As for
Satan, I constellate today's version of the myth this way: the Sacred
Heart has its origins in the Sun, the cosmic Christ symbol and primary Life
of our world. Satan is all of the cosmos, including the Sun, the complete
maya, the star-glittering Kundalini serpent. Satan is the Anti-christ, the
cold night that swallows the Sun, that lies beyond the good and evil our
Sun brings to light. But strictly speaking there's no duality
involved--the cosmic serpent is useful for understanding and finally
transcending cosmic existence, the Sun for acting in the world of illusion.
"Laughing light,"
Jim
PS: Did anyone notice how Hale-Bopp's energy changed after passing by the
Sun? Coming in it was cold, erie, blue, reptilian. Now going back out, it
seems to have converted to a golden Christianity!
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:59:48 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: thanks for MS info
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Many thanks to Mystress Angelique Serpent, Morgana Wyze, and Gloria Greco
for the info on alternative MS treatments!
Jim
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:58:03 +0400
From: "Dmitry Zayakin" <dzenATnospamtransit.samara.ru>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: mysterious sign?
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Hi All
I've been signed up for K-List about 1 month ago. I've read much
useful things and known many notions.
A history happenned with me when I was 18.
I lay on the bed with high temperature and closed eyes. Suddenly from the
deep darkness begun to appear these symbols ( see the File). I saw them
very clearly. They were a golden colour and lowerred on me one for the
others.
I don't know why, but I took a pen and drew them.
Maybe someone knows what are they mean and where are they from?
Love and Peace
Dmitry
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:04:07 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: Dear confused in Gloria
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