1997/04/24 23:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #192
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 192
Today's Topics:
Re: (Forcing Shakti,and Promises, Promises, Promises.)
Blatant plaigerism
Re: Yagnas
Mr. Wolf Said---
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:43:25 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (Forcing Shakti,and Promises, Promises, Promises.)
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>From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
>Subject: Re: (Forcing Shakti,and Promises, Promises, Promises.)
>
> dear roberto,
> Hola in one!
> RIGHT ON!
>
> Hola,
> victoria
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------------------------------
>>From: "R.A.Castelli (2)" <castelliATnospamhalcyon.com>
>>
>>
>>Hi vic,
>>if there is no identification with "that" where is the danger ?
>>Ciao
>>roberto
>>
>>----------
>>> From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
>>> To: castelliATnospamhalcyon.com
>>> Subject: Re: (Forcing Shakti,and Promises, Promises, Promises.)
>>> Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 12:39 PM
>>>
>>> >From: "R.A.Castelli (2)" <castelliATnospamhalcyon.com>
>>> >To: "vic bonds" <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
>>> >Subject: Re: (Forcing Shakti,and Promises, Promises, Promises.)
>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:41:13 -0700
>>> >X-Msmail-Priority: Normal
>>> >
>>> >Hi vic,
>>> >danger to what ?
>>> TO THE STATUS QUO, WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE?
>>> THEY DONT LIKE US TO BE FREE, YES, YOU AND
>>> ME...~v~
>>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> >Ciao
>>> >roberto
>>> >
>>> >----------
>>> >> From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
>>> >> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>>> >> Subject: (Forcing Shakti,and Promises, Promises, Promises.)
>>> >> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 6:18 AM
>>> >>
>>> >> . What I am doing is responding to the uniquely western
>>> >> ideas about Kundalini being easy and quick. It usually is neither.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone who PROMISES it, will be is a bigger danger to society,
>>> >> and to the people in it,
>>> >> than,
>>> >> some fool with an M-16 on the street corner.
>>> >> The one with the gun endangers only your life,
>>> >> the one with the PROMISES
>>> >> endangers your spiritual development,
>>> >> and hence your soul, in this and future lifetimes.
>>> >>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>-
>>> >
>>> >> ---------------------------
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >> May I add my two-cents worth?
>>> >> The One who DELIVERS his PROMISES is the most
>>> >> DANGEROUS of All,
>>> >> for he actually CHANGES his world,
>>> >> and other's worlds
>>> >> beyond all conditions expected,
>>> >> in the first instance.
>>> >>
>>> >> Raven
>>> >> ~V~
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >>I have "Kundalini and the Chakras: A Practical Manual - Evolution
>>in
>>> >> >>this Lifetime" by Genevieve Paulson. Tried the exercises (for the
>>> >>same
>>> >> naive
>>> >> >reasons) numerous times over a couple of weeks. Nothing.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Does this mean I'm not ready? Why is Shakti withholding?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Two weeks!?!?!?! Wow such dedication!! Did you follow the
>>directions?
>>> >Did you
>>> >> >add water, beat for 5 minutes, pour into a stick-free pan, then bake
>>in
>>> >an
>>> >> over
>>> >> >for 30 min at 425? And it still didn't work???
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Sorry to be so harsh, especially if its your first time to post, but
>>get
>>> >real.
>>> >> >Good hardworking people have devoted a lifetime to serious practice
>>with
>>> >
>>> >> >absolutely no observed K movement. (That is not to say they did not
>>get
>>> >a
>>> >> >benefit, in both this and future lives.) Some have been born with an
>>> >awakened
>>> >> >Kundalini and still taken years to begin to get some benefit after
>>they
>>> >> began to
>>> >> >practice.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Some people do have remarkable results (awakening K and moving it
>>into
>>> >higher
>>> >> >chakras) with only a few months of practice and effort. They are
>>freaks,
>>> >> freaks
>>> >> >who have found favor with God and been truly blessed, but freaks none
>>> >the less.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I don't know anything about the book or author you mention so I don't
>>> >know how
>>> >> >good the instructions were. The general rule is: find a good
>>tradition
>>> >(not
>>> >> just
>>> >> >a good book), follow the instructions, pray to meet a good teacher,
>>do
>>> >your
>>> >> >practice, and wait with patience.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >There is a story from India that shows the importance of attitude
>>when
>>> >> following
>>> >> >this path we are on:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Two students went to meet and talk with their master's master. Both
>>were
>>> >
>>> >> >concerned about their spiritual progress and hopes for enlightenment.
>>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The first student asked the old Guru, "Will I even attain
>>> >enlightenment?" The
>>> >> >teacher replied, "If you work hard, at the moment before your death,
>>> >many
>>> >> years
>>> >> >from now, you will reach your goal." The first student turned and
>>went
>>> >away
>>> >> >very sad and angry that it would take his entire life to reach the
>>goal.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The second student asked the old Guru the same question. The teacher
>>> >replied,
>>> >> >"You have much to repair from mistakes in this and past lives. If you
>>> >work
>>> >> hard
>>> >> >each lifetime in 1000 lifetimes you will reach your goal." The second
>>> >student
>>> >> >went away leaping, crying, and shouting with joy, "He said I would
>>make
>>> >it!
>>> >> He
>>> >> >said I would make it!"
>>> >> >
>>> >> >This is the way of Kundalini.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On a related note:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Why is the human race not enlightened already if people have known
>>> >> >>of Kundalini for all this time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >People have know of God for even longer, the world does not live in
>>> >peace.
>>> >> >People have known how to run and do exercise forever, we still get
>>> >> heart-attacks
>>> >> >due to lack of exercise. The relationship of certain types of sexual
>>> >activity
>>> >> >and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases has been known for
>>> >> generations,
>>> >> >still new cases are being reported every day. Everyone knows smoking
>>> >causes
>>> >> >cancer, people start smoking every day. So why do you expect it to
>>be
>>> >any
>>> >> >different with Kundalini?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Knowledge gains its value only if man, each person individually,
>>seeks
>>> >it and
>>> >> >acts upon it when he finally obtains it. Much of our knowledge and
>>some
>>> >of our
>>> >> >wisdom can be handed to our children, but they must pick it up for it
>>to
>>> >> belong
>>> >> >to them. The same was true of the rishis and those of us who came
>>after
>>> >them,
>>> >> >including us.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Namaste,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Joe
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >> >---------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:48:35 +0000
From: "God's Lightning Rod" <eis34742ATnospampegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Blatant plaigerism
Message-Id: <199704250241.WAA10487ATnospammagicnet.magicnet.net>
Don't know why, but it occurred to me today some of you might like
these... Suzanna Vega lyrics... wonderful song...
Solitude stands by the window
She turns her head as I walk in the room
I can see by her eyes she's been waiting
Standing in the slant of the late afternoon
And she turns to me with her hand extended
Her palm is split with a flower with a flame
Solitude stands in the doorway
And I'm struck once again by her black silhouette
By her long cool stare and her silence
I suddenly remember each time we've met
And she turns to me with her hand extended
Her palm is split with a flower with a flame
And she says "I've come to set a twisted thing straight"
And she says "I've come to lighten this dark heart" And
she takes my wrist, I feel her imprint of fear And I say
"I've never thought of finding you here"
I turn to the crowd as they're watching
They're sitting all together in the dark in the warm I
wanted to be in there among them I see how their eyes are
gathered into one
And then she turns to me with her hand extended
Her palm is split with a flower with a flame
And she says "I've come to set a twisted thing straight"
And she says"l've come to lighten this dark heart" And
she takes my wrist, I feel her imprint of fear And I say
"I've never thought of finding you here"
Solitude stands in the doorway
And I'm struck once again by her black silhouette
By her long cool stare and her silence
I suddenly remember each time we've met
And she turns to me with her hand extended
Her palm is split with a flower with a flame
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 02:18:48 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Melissa Shubha Smith <ganesha1ATnospamix.netcom.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, gawain1ATnospamix.netcom.com, spirit-lATnospamspiritweb.org
Subject: Re: Yagnas
Message-ID: <335EFB48.508AATnospambridge.net>
Hi Melissa,
I am a siddha yogini, I visited the ashram in Ny last summer for the
first time and I am invited to the Global conference comming up, are you
going to that event?
I have been receiving messages, that I should look into Reiki, when I
meditate.I never heard of it before and I visited a new age store in
South Beach, in Miami where they give Reiki once a week. I went there
for the first time with a friend that recently got paralyzed from a
strange illness, lou gehrigs disease. I would like very much to study
reiki. How would you know who is a good teacher, a legitimate one. I was
told at this place that the lady teaches, but I am a bit afraid of
messing with the k energy mixing practices and of also getting into it
with someone that is not qualified. How would I know?
Thanks in advance.
Love always,
Lissette
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
Subject: Mr. Wolf Said---
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>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:22:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: johnfwinATnospammlode.com (John F. Winston)
>To: 2 <alinaATnospambsure.com.ph>, deec921ATnospamtom.fe.up.pt, deva777ATnospamdedot.com,
> eaglenet-listATnospamtheta.pair.com, jlevy04ATnospamemory.edu,
> Klara.HankaiATnospamtelos.org, lindajonson1ATnospamjuno.com, martinATnospamsedona.intel.com,
> mchughATnospamwwc.net, obonfimATnospamreed.edu, voltronATnospamvoy.net
>Subject: Mr. Wolf Said---
>
>
>Subject: Mr. Wolf Said--- April 24, 1997.
>
> Here is what was said on the Art Bell show when Robert Ghost Wolf
>was interviewed in 1996.
>
>.....................................................................
>.....................................................................
>
>______
>The Quickening
>
>by Robert Ghost Wolf
>
>A transcript of the 4/28/96 Art Bell Dreamland interview with Ghost
>Wolf discussing the Earth Changes and "The Quickening" which is a
>shifting in consciousness. Ghost Wolf has been called a prophet and a
>master teacher by many. Source: Carolyn Goodfellow,
>Internet:ghfm08cATnospamprodigy.com As posted on 5/9/96 and following dates
>on Prodigy Science & Environment BB.
>A= Art Bell
>GW: = Ghost Wolf
>C=Caller
>Robert Ghost Wolf has been called a prophet, a master teacher, a
>poet, a grizzly bear. He IS "The Wolf." Always the master teacher, he
>has enjoyed experience from MANY careers: country music, Native
>American flutist, construction work, even the high finance of Wall
>Street. That's quite a range. But, he left all of this behind for a
>more natural way of life. A way closer to the memory that he held of
>his heritage as a Native American. Indeed, he is a Matisse
>(pronounced, ma-teece), that is a mixture - Apache, Iroquois, Lakota &
>one that I can't pronounce & so, we'll ask HIM. What is that last one?
>I'm very sorry. I've got Apache, Iroquois, Lakota, AND ??? .....
>GW: [unintelligible]
>: Ooooh, I'm glad I asked...
>GW: Iroquois
>A: And, a Matisse is a mixture, right?
>GW: Correct.
>A: Well, I'd like to welcome you to the show. Good to have you.
>GW: Thank you. Good to be here.
>When did this change take place? When did you dump Wall Street &
>dump all these other careers that you've had & go to a simpler life?
>GW: I dumped the "American Dream" sometime in the mid-80's, Art.
>The "American Dream," huh?
>GW: I've had some experiences, out in the southwest, with native
>teachers who are teaching me what it is that I do today. And, I've had
>some experiences, in the lodges, that made me realize that, perhaps,
>things weren't as I had been told.
>A: How, exactly, ARE things? I know that you deal a lot with prophecy
>& we'll get into that, but you've got a little pamphlet here called,
>"The Quickening," which caused my jaw to drop. I've been using that
>for a couple of years, now. You know, I'm a talk show host. I deal
>with people, I deal with news, I deal with current events & I began
>noticing, a couple of years ago - 3 years ago, that events are
>quickening. Political, social, economic.....they're all quickening.
>Things are happening more rapidly.....at a faster pace. Is that the
>meaning that YOU attach to this?
>That's precisely the meaning behind the "Quickening." What I'm
>working with, now, is trying to help people understand what it is
>that's occurring. We are going through a shifting of the metabolic
>rate, if you would, of the Earth, where time itself is speeding up.
>This is due to MANY things. It's due to the shifting of the poles,
>which isn't a shifting that would cause things to fall over to one
>side of the Earth & everything to fall off. It's more like electrical
>poles that are moving & shifting like waves. This is causing many
>things to change in relation to what we have been existing under &
>what we would call, the old paradigm. The old paradigm is basically
>what we've existed under for the last 5,000 years.
>In what way? In other words, I see people, Robert, beginning to
>be.....their irritability-level is MUCH higher & people are shorter
>with each other, the state of civilization is less..... at least
>socially it is. Technically it keeps advancing, but socially we seem
>to be regressing.
>GW: I think that technically advancing is a matter of interpretation.
>If we're technically advancing by using destructive forces &
>destructive energies & polluting our environment & the very food &
>water that we drink, then I don't really consider that an advancement.
>But, my focus, with what I work with, is not so much Earth changes.
>They're going to occur. We KNOW they're going to occur. But, precisely
>what you're talking about.....the irritability of people, the lack of
>vision of youth, the feeling of malaise & hopelessness in youth is
>astonishing. And, it doesn't matter where you go. It isn't isolated to
>a particular region of America or Europe or China or Africa or
>Japan.....it's a GLOBAL situation. Part of that has to do with this
>"Quickening" & the "Quickening" has to do with a shifting in
>consciousness, which is exactly---it IS. There are so many human
>more, beings on the Earth, at this point, of that we are shifting into a
>global Soul, if you would.
>A global Soul?
>GW: A global Soul. We are feeling.....what they're feeling in China,
>we're feeling in the Black Hills of South Dakota. What's happening in
>Mexico is being felt, emotionally, up in Canada. The reason for this
>is.....it's an old Lakota saying, "We are all One," understanding that
>WE are all One with the Earth. As long as we refuse to acknowledge the
>connection, & what I call "the Web of Life," then we're going to find
>that we're going to become increasingly agitated.....
>short-tempered..... because we're not going to understand the
>emotional changes, which are the things that are REALLY important,
>now.
>A: Robert, do you remember hearing recently about the Unabomber?
>GW: Yes, I do.
>A: What he did was awful, of course, in killing people, but a lot of
>people read his so-called "Manifesto" & frankly agreed with it,
>regarding the technology & the way we're going right now. Did you have
>an opportunity to review that at all?
>GW: Actually, I only reviewed it from reading headlines, because I've
>been on the road teaching. But, my feeling is that people are looking
>for a justification for their dissatisfaction. The way that he went
>about it, if he DID do this, we might never know. But if he DID do
>this, that's not the way to do it. The way to DO it is not to give
>into anger & violence. That's been the history of this world.
>Especially over the last 2,000 years.
>A: I know that you deal with prophecy a great deal, so I guess I
>should ask you, as directly as possible.....without change, without
>some change, GREAT change in the paradigm.....overused word, I
>know.....where are we headed? What is ahead for us? Can you tell me?
>GW: A lot of social strife. It was the Spring Equinox of '95 where
>thousands & thousands of indigenous people throughout the world, not
>just North & South America, got together to bring in a new grid, if
>you would. A Light grid, on the planet, which would enable a new
>consciousness to be rooted here. Again, the term that could be most
>easily used is, "Christ-Consciousness." If we don't create a space, if
>change doesn't happen.....the social structures are collapsing, the
>religious structures are collapsing, financial structures are
>obviously collapsing. There's no way to keep "patching up the dam."
>And, all that we keep doing is trying to patch up the dam. Now, I
>don't really think that's people's fault, because we don't have full
>information. But, if we do NOT create change, which is what we're
>doing intuitively by the emotional chaos we're going through, then
>there will not be room for anything new to happen. If your hard drive
>is all filled up, how are you going to put new information in? And so,
>when we're talking about change, we're talking about complete change
>here. The globe has got to change, with humanity & her attitude toward
>the Earth & each other, rather dramatically, in a VERY short period of
>time. A VERY short period of time. We're no longer on the
>"leisure-road-to-enlightenment." We don't have another 5,000 years to
>get this one right.
>A: How long DO we have?
>GW: According to the Hopi Elders that I work with, we have less than
>five (5) years.
>A: (sighing) Boy, that's what everybody says. I don't mean that
>lightly. I interview a lot of people who do prophecy, Gordon-Michael
>Scallion & others, & even though the roads may seem at times
>different, the schedules are about the same & the end effect about the
>same. So many people saying roughly the same thing & now you.
>GW: We don't have to look at it as "doom & gloom." We simply look at
>it as change. If we look at it as change.....when the child grows up
>has to leave the home, there's a tremendous change in the whole
>nucleus of the home & attitudes must adjust & people's way of life
>must adjust & so, what we're talking about with the Earth would
>probably be better-called a rebirthing, rather than "doom & gloom."
>What, in less than five years, is that, yes, the
>social structures, the mechanical structures, the infrastructure of
>our social system HAS to collapse, because it's out of control. It's
>ALREADY out of control.
>A: People will send me, sometimes, Robert, the definition of
>"Quickening." One definition of it is: a birthing. The first feeling a
>mother has as the child moves within. That fluttering feeling of
>movement.
>GW: That's a good metaphor.
>Yes. So, there WILL be change. Now, you say it need not be "doom &
>gloom," but with this change.....if WE don't change & we allow
>whatever's coming to go ahead & come, there will be many people who
>will not, physically at any rate, make it to the other side. Is that
>correct?
>That's correct. There's a situation going on relating to something
>that we now call phenomenon, which it's not. This government's been
>aware of it since 1962. It has to do with the orbit of our solar
>system. This is very much related in the Mayan calendars, where we
>understood the cycles of the universe, not just the cycles of the four
>seasons. Essentially, we are now moving into this Photon Belt. The
>photon Belt, very simply put, is simply light. It's light. It's white
>light. And, what that's doing, the intensity of that, is causing an
>expansion of the molecular structure of things, which is why we're
>sensing a "Quickening." It's also got a tremendous gravitational pull.
>The Earth, just a few short years ago, was basically hurling through
>space at 8,000 miles per hour. At the present velocity, you could
>estimate that by the year 2010 we'll be moving somewhere around
>200,000 miles per hour. So, now we're talking about actual fact
>of.....this is what we're FEELING as a "Quickening." As that's
>occurring, we're also feeling it consciously, because consciously.....
>what I try to impress on people.....thought literally creates.
>Everything we have around us is a result of that thought. In the
>Native American cultures, we all have stories of how we emerged from
>the Inner Earth .....it's a commonality. Also, we all have stories of
>this time. The Hopi prophecies, which are VERY accurate, that are
>telling us about this time are WELL over 10,000 years old. And,
>they're SO accurate it's frightening. They describe social changes
>that we're talking about right now. They're talking about the social
>unrest, they're talking about agitation of people. The agitation of
>people is basically a result of being separated from their spiritual
>side.
>
>Part 1.
>
>Source Of Information:
>http://www.newage.com.au/library/quickening.html
>
>John Winston. johnfwinATnospammlode.com
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