1997/04/24  00:56  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #188 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 188
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Question for Tom - a few answers....... 
  TRUTH OF MULTIPLICITY/EXPANDED THEORIES.. 
  Healing list 
  Re: mind your Mind 
  Song of Life 
  Re: Healing list 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
  Re: Healing list-yagya 
  David's Poem 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
  Re: purity of ...? 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
  Re: Say a little prayer for the flood?? 
  Re: Question for Tom - a few answers....... 
  Re: Psychic self-defense 
  Re: Forcing Shakti 
  Re: mind 
  Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments 
  Re: need some advice 
  Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments 
  Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments 
  Re: Death of Ego 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:08:19 -0700 
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Question for Tom - a few answers....... 
Message-ID: <335E6C33.D6FATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> 
 
 
love this stuff about the mountaineering analogies, 
reminds me of a book (har har) 
"Mount Analogue"  
by the French surrealist mountaineer Rene Daumal, 
self-taught Sanskrit scholar, first translator of DT Suzuki, Gurdjieff 
colleague. Pioneer in dangerous consciousness exploration via  
inhalants. 
A beautiful book, could not put it down, definitely will perk your  
endorphins.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>quote:
 
"For a mountain to play the role of Mount Analogue, its summit must be 
inaccessible, but its base accessible to human beings as nature has made 
them." 
-Rene Daumal, Mt Analogue pg 8,
 
  "By our calculations, 
   thinking of nothing else, 
   by our desires, 
   abandoning every other hope, 
   by our efforts, 
   renouncing all bodily comfort, 
   we gained entry into this New World. 
   So it seemed to us.
 
But we learned later that if we were able to reach 
the foot of Mount Analogue, it was because the invisible 
doors of that invisible country had been opened 
for us by those who guard them... those who see us, 
even though we cannot see ourselves, opened the door for 
us, answering our puerile calculations, our unsteady desires, 
and our awkward efforts with a generous welcome."
 
pg 189 Mount Analogue 
-Saint Rene Daumal Zenji Daiosho
 
I am dead because I lack desire, 
I lack desire because I think I possess. 
I think I possess because I do not try to give. 
In trying to give, you see that you have nothing; 
Seeing that you have nothing, you try to give of yourself; 
Trying to give of yourself, you see that you are nothing: 
Seeing that you are nothing, you desire to become; 
In desiring to become, you begin to live. 
-Rene Daumal
 
> > in short, kundalini is like mountaineering, there are risks but one 
> > tries to minimise them through prudence and care...even then, there will 
> > probably be times of crisis and despair, but how else could it be if we 
> > are to grow ? 
> > 
> Exactly! I am a mountaineer, last week I had one of the best climbs of 
> my life... solo. 
.... 
> > and on the way up the mountain one may have to use various techniques 
> > and outside aids and rely on climbers past and present to help and 
> > advise... 
>  
> Ask any mountaineer the best ascents are either first ascents or with as 
> little prior knowledge as possible. 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:17:24 +0100 
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: TRUTH OF MULTIPLICITY/EXPANDED THEORIES.. 
Message-Id: <20172414501150ATnospampeconic.net> 
 
> 
>E. Jason wrote: 
>"What about the Truth of Multiplicity?-
 
 A THEORY FOR FUN; 
A Truth or Axiom of the Way the Creation may be modeled  after, is this;
 
THE UNIVERSE IS CREATED IN SUCH A WAY AND MANNER WHICH  
REVEALS THE PRINCIPLE OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY, BEING CREATED  
IN A GRADIENT MANNER, AND THEREFORE, WILL MAKE EQUALLY DIVERSIFIED EPOCHS OF 
TIME CONSISTENT WITH THE WEIGHT OF  
THE VARIOUS GRADIENTLY APPLIED DIVERSE ELEMENTAL FORMS, IN THAT: THE MORE 
SIMPLE, AND PERHAPS, MORE CONDENSED  THE FORM,OF THE CREATION,THE CLOSER WE 
ARE TO THE MOUTH, OR WORD, OR BEGINNING OF THE CREATION
 
THE FURTHER OUT WE GO, IN TIME AND SPACE, AWAY FROM THE 
BEGINNING OF THE CREATION, TO THE LOCAL TIME AND SPACE 
 WHERE 
WE ARE, AND BEYOND..... THE LOCAL SPEED OF TIME, AND PARTICLE/ MASS SHIFTS, 
AND CHANGES, PERHAPS IN AN ORDERLY GRADIENT AS ONE APPROACHES 
THE ENDS OF THE CREATED UNIVERSE, AS WE KNOW IT..... 
PERHAPS, 
THE MASS IS MUCH LESS CONDENSED, AND SPREAD OUT, SO, TIME SLOWS DOWN, OR 
DOES IT SPEED UP?
 
 IS THE CREATED UNIVERSE SHAPED IN A CONE, LIKE IS PROJECTED HERE IN THIS 
THEORY?
 
 OR, IS IT SHAPED IN ANOTHER SHAPE SUCH AS A SPHERE? 
ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS TO SHARE, REGARDING THIS TRUTH?
 
REMEMBERING, THAT LIGHT MAY BE A VERY NARROW BAND OF PHYSICAL REALITIES, 
SUGGESTING THAT THERE ARE INDEED  
INTERDIMENSIONAL WORLDS UPON WORLDS ENFOLDED  
IN WRINKLES OF TIMES WHICH HAVE DIFFERENT BAND WIDTHS 
OF TIME, FOR INSTANCE:
 
1. TIME THAT BEGINS, AND THAT ENDS... 
2. TIME THAT BEGINS, AND GOES TO INFINITY.. 
3. TIME THAT IS INFINITY, AND GOES TO AN END.. 
4. TIME THAT GOES FROM NO BEGINNING TO NO END. ETERNITY..
 
ONE MAY BE ABLE TO TRAVEL FROM DIMENSION TO DIMENSION, 
WORLD TO WORLD, BY SHIFTING THEIR TIME SENSE, THEREFORE, 
RAISING OR LOWERING THE VIBRATORY RATE OF THEIR MOLECULES 
OF THEIR BODIES, LIGHT BODY (DESIRE-GASOLINE)(PERHAPS INVOLVING THE CHAKRA 
CENTERS), AND THE MIND 
(VISUALIZATIONAL MAP), OR HEART(COMPASS), AND TRAVEL 
AMONG THE UNIVERSES NOT SEEN OR TRAVELED BY ANYONE FROM 
EARTH, BUT THE SPIRIT OF MAN.
 
EXISTENCE, AS WE UNDERSTAND,AND MEASURE IT BY PHYSICS, 
THE DISTANCE OBJECT WHICH RADIATE LIGHT LIKE STARS CAN BE 
AND  IS DETERMINED BY THE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT 
WHICH IS MEASURABLE BY THE SHIFT OF THE RED LIGHT WITHIN 
IT, THE MORE RED LIGHT IN THE SPECTRUM , THE FURTHER 
AWAY IT IS FROM THE POINT OF VIEWING.
 
DOES TIME SLOW DOWN WITH THE INCREASING OF THE RED SHIFT IN THE SPECTRUM OF 
VISIBLE LIGHT.
 
THE QUESTION OF THIS PARTICULAR EVENT REGARDING LIGHT, 
IS, WHERE DOES IT START, AND WHERE DOES IT STOP?
 
CONSIDERING 
 THE FACT THAT THERE IS THE SPEED OF LIGHT INVOLVED, 
 NOW, DOES THIS INVITE THE QUESTION, WHICH IS,
 
 BEYOND THE SPEED OF LIGHT, DOES A DIFFERENT FORM OF  LIGHT, 
AS WE DON'T KNOW IT, PERHAPS, IN DIFFERENT DENSITIES, EXIST, IN INFINITE 
REALMS ABOVE AND BELOW THE VISABLE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE?  THIS BEING THE MANY 
SO-CALLED SPIRITUAL WORLDS 
OF LIGHT BEYOND THE "PHYSICAL"REALITIES AND UNIVERSES..
 
 
RAVEN 
  ~V~
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>(God and Illusion for example?) 
> 
>Jason, 
> 
>Multiplicity is not Truth! 
> 
>Jason also said:"Who knows what God experiences?" 
> 
>The Universal Being of Oneness Knows, 
>(not dualtiy). 
> 
> 
>Perceive red? 
> 
>You've ignored(ignorence) the yellow, blue and 
>green. 
> 
>Know White. Know All. 
> 
>Ego prism. 
> 
>Prison. 
> 
>See what I mean? 
> 
>David. 
> 
>Thank-you Jason, 
>By pressing me to  
>explain, it's now even 
>clearer to me more than 
>ever! 
> 
> 
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:04:20 +1000 
From: Jens Grejsen <jogATnospamozemail.com.au> 
To: Kundalini <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Healing list 
Message-ID: <335E6B44.3200ATnospamozemail.com.au> 
 
 
Dear people,
 
Why not start a healing list?
 
Just a brief entry of person's name and age would be sufficient, to 
establish vibration and energy connection.
 
I for one would be delighted to meditate on such names on a regular 
basis.
 
Don't forget that it is some people's healing to actually die, but the 
transition can be made so much more comfortable if people send love in 
their direction. 
 
'Miraculous' healing is an aspect of K power - so why not use it? 
Experience the joy of helping others become aligned with their highest 
good.
 
Love and peace
 
jens 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:35:57 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: mind your Mind 
Message-ID: <335E8ECD.7719ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
 
david bozzi wrote:
 
  
> Multiplicity is not Truth.
 
Which truth is untrue?
 
  
> When one awakens, the dream is forgotten.
 
Yes, people are always saying such wise things in their dreams . . .  
- I just forget why they bother :)
 
  
  
> Your second cousin is in my mind.
 
Thank you
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:38:32 -0700 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca 
Subject: Song of Life 
Message-ID: <335EB998.58A6ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailgate.execpc.com id DAA13061
 
Celebrating Birth in East Africa
 
     There is a tribe in East Africa for whom the birthday of a child is 
not 
counted from the day of its physical birth nor even the day of 
conception. 
 For this tribe, the birthday is the first time the child is a thought 
in its 
mother´s mind.  Aware of her intention to conceive a child with a 
particular 
father, the mother goes off to sit alone under a tree.  There she sits 
and 
listens until she can hear the song of the child she hopes to conceive.  
Once 
she has heard it, she returns to her village and teaches it to the 
father so 
that they can sing it together as they make love, inviting the child to 
join 
them. 
      
     After the child is conceived, she sings to the baby in her womb.  
Then 
she teaches the song to the old women and midwives of the village, so 
that 
throughout the labour and at the miraculous moment of birth itself, the  
child 
is greeted with its song. 
      
     After the birth, all the villagers learn the song of their new 
member 
and later, sing it to the child when it falls or hurts itself.  It is 
sung at 
times of triumph, or in rituals and initiations.  This song becomes a 
part of 
the marriage ceremony when the child is grown, and at the end of life, 
his or her loved ones will gather around the deathbed and sing this song 
for 
the last time.
 
....Source Unknown 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 16:31:39 PDT 
From: "Claudia McNeely" <whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net> 
To: jogATnospamozemail.com.au, "Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Healing list 
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---------- 
> Dear people, 
>  
> Why not start a healing list? 
>  
> Just a brief entry of person's name and age would be sufficient, to 
> establish vibration and energy connection. 
>  
> I for one would be delighted to meditate on such names on a regular 
> basis. 
>  
> Don't forget that it is some people's healing to actually die, but the 
> transition can be made so much more comfortable if people send love in 
> their direction.  
>  
> 'Miraculous' healing is an aspect of K power - so why not use it? 
> Experience the joy of helping others become aligned with their highest 
> good. 
>  
> Love and peace 
>  
> jens 
>  
> 
 
Great idea!!!
 
Claudia McNeely 
whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net 
www.texramp.net/~whitedove 
Facilitating gentle healing on all levels 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:19:58 -1000 (HST) 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospammail.snet.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199704240119.PAA26473ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net> 
 
At the water's edge.
 
It's a moonlit sky.
 
There's no reason to speak,
 
Or ask why.
 
I look into the sky,
 
And feel the pounding of
 
My heartbeat come alive.
 
We must go our own way.
 
No two paths are alike.
 
We will meet again.
 
In the Light.
 
I look through the ego.
 
Like a window.
 
I walk the plank,
 
Of Consciousness.
 
It's getting bigger.
 
As I go deeper.
 
 
I see the world.
 
All rolled up.
 
Like a scroll.
 
(Whose to know?) 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:36:31 -0400 (EDT) 
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Healing list-yagya 
Message-ID: <970423213609_-65313761ATnospamemout03.mail.aol.com> 
 
You know in India they have groups of people whose profession it is to 
perform rites and chantings to help paying"customers".I hear it works.This is 
called a yagya 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:45:06 -0700 
From: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: David's Poem 
Message-ID: <335EBB22.382AATnospamserv.net> 
 
 
David, 
Your poem is beautiful.  I write poetry and thought I would say thanks 
for posting such a wonderful piece. 
Pamela
 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
"Life does not happen to us,  it happens from within us." 
    ----------    Mike Wickett
 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:02:01 -1000 (HST) 
From: "Rav:theory" <david.bozziATnospammail.snet.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199704240202.QAA11366ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net> 
 
There are particles that exist beyond 
light speed. These are called tachyons. 
Tachyons experience time differently than 
us. They can move back and forth in their 
dimension of time like you would walk up and 
down a street.
 
Tachyons can escape black holes and move into  
different universes.
 
What type of conscious life would evolve of tachyons?
 
Sounds like a spirit dimension to me. 
For more on this type of stuff I strongly 
suggest 
 http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~pateld/aryan_dir/vias_home/vedic-time-space.html
 
Unfortunetly this page does not integrate 
tachyons, however anyone knowing of a site that does, 
please e-mail me! 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:11:13 -0700 
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: purity of ...? 
Message-ID: <335EC141.6F6CC1C7ATnospamsirius.com> 
 
 
M has supplied us with maybe the best K related Freudian slip I've seen 
yet on this list. Check it out:
 
M wrote:
 
> PS Intent and a pure heat help too.
 
'pure heat' eh? (I'm assuming you meant heart.) Sounds like K to me. ;-)
 
Paul 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:10:06 -1000 (HST) 
From: "DB:RE:PAM" <david.bozziATnospammail.snet.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199704240310.RAA05354ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net> 
 
Thank-you.
 
Please share your prose.
 
David 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:39:17 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Ed Johnson <orangeATnospamislandnet.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Say a little prayer for the flood?? 
Message-ID: <335E7373.505EATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
HI, We went through floods and huge snow storms in January and it is 
still pretty different here in Reno. But, we should all look at it as a 
reminder to put our spiritual house in order so that whatever comes down 
in these next ten or fifteen years we are totally prepared to move 
spontanteously with spirit.  
 This time, even though hard is a wake up call to those who are totally 
engulfed in self, this is just a tiny shake up, and if it gets folks to 
reflect even a bit it is and continues to be a blessing.  
 Therefore lets support the attitude that life is changing, and it is 
really what man needs in this hour. And, as more and more folks come 
together to help, assist, pray, love and commune, it causes vibrations 
to change from the self, to that of 'brotherly love.'  
 We are really blessed to be living now, and kundalini is just another 
great gift to those prepared to work with her. Love to all. Nice to be 
back, I've been without my computer for a week. Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:55:23 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Indira Singh <76460.3057ATnospamCompuServe.com> 
Subject: Re: Question for Tom - a few answers....... 
Message-ID: <335E7738.2F95ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
Tom, do you have a new nick name, burnt fingers? Anyway, you give 
wonderful down to earth advise. I know for some it sounds to simple and 
not very exciting, but this journey is really a faith directed trip and 
not an intellectual thought out-first, kind of experience. 
 
For me, the being in the moment, open to move in whatever direction 
spirit moves me, is really learning to live in the high frequency of 
spirit. So many people have asked me about divine will, and when I 
reflect on the communicating of it, it is actually a high stream of 
energy that one can not enter into unless there has been spiritual 
preparation. This is what kundalini is all about, letting go of ego and 
self concepts, I, me, mine... and entering into a total new state of 
realization. This state of one of being, and doing. It doesn't involve 
thinking, instead the mind is silent while the spirit moves in a natural 
rhythm that pretty much is very stable and consistant. 
 
This is a place of no-thought or what the catholics call a unitive 
experience with God. The ego/self gradually is lost as the letting go 
and consciousness of the process is well underway. This is really a 
death of sorts since there is a continual death of self as more 
light/kundalini/shaki comes into illuminate. 
 
Spiritual work... involves letting go of thought and ideas which is why 
meditation is so important, and then a gradual movement into a total 
awareness of God in your day to day life. How does God become real in 
ones life? How does one become totally conscious of that interior 
connection so that it is the food that sustains the soul, and the 
spirit/soul energy is so quickened that the outside world becomes quiet 
and uninteresting to the starving spiritual being that awakens. Nice to 
be back all. God Bless, Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:43:09 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Psychic self-defense 
Message-ID: <335E8267.3B2CATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
Douglas, 
 I didn't mean you shouldn't be on the list at all. Never. It is for 
communicating and learning from each other.  
 You asked if kundalini had any benefits for phychic self-defense, 
ultimately yes. It will train you to be a master since the requirement 
for enlightenment is totally letting go of ego/self to enter into union.  
 As far as the learning process with kundalini, if you allow the skati 
to work and teach and guide ... then there is nothing that can enter 
your spiritual space that isn't immediately identified and taken care of 
because of direct experience and the awakening of consciousness. 
  Only things that are a part of the awakening are allowed to manifest, 
each experience is for divine will and purpose and to awaken your 
soul/spirit to consciousness of who and what it is. 
 This inner quest takes you into many frequencies of high and low 
energies, this is the training school. In order to master all that can 
manifest in a life experience you will eventually encounter both the 
extreme high frequencies of light, bliss and love, and the extremely low 
frequencies of the lowest aspects of self, even into the astral holes of 
humanity. 
  When you can move into through and beyond naturally... as just divine 
flow, then neither will be a deterent. You see most folks want to 
experience the highs, thinking that is what it is all going to be...NOT 
All energy is frequency, we lose thoughts of preference and accept all 
of life as a great circle. you move and know both. And when you are 
neutral to both you are one.  
 I have had many such experiences and because of my training in 
detachment and reading of frequencies and vibrations I have always been 
safe and comfortable in the stream of Divine Will. 
 Does this make sense? Are you doing remote viewing? Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:56:37 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: tg xxx <imtgATnospamjuno.com> 
CC: norddenATnospamhsd.utc.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Forcing Shakti 
Message-ID: <335E858E.6B4AATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
TG, 
 Great sharing on your experience. What is so important about this is 
that you had disciplined yourself to putting God first in your own way. 
You were doing what came to you to do, and in doing this you created a 
foundation for your spiritual/kundalini experience to manifest.  
 Even though you went through a couple of times when you felt crazy, it 
would have been much worse if you weren't already grounding yourself 
into your knowing of God. Coming to that direct personal experience with 
God is so very important, then when kundalini enters the picture she is 
a wonderful teacher because you have already adapted to faith and moving 
with what is coming to you. 
 Learning to love and allowing God to love him/herself through us... 
makes up aware and open to love others, which also allows us to see God 
loving him/herself through them. This is the dance, but it is more 
because you become that energy and that knowing both within yourself but 
also within the other.  
 Talk soon. Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:07:30 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
CC: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: mind 
Message-ID: <335E881B.732AATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
HI, 
 Enjoyed your explanation of spiritual bodies, it fits well with my 
perception only different words. Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:14:22 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com 
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments 
Message-ID: <335E89B7.122ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
HI Tom, 
 Aren't you saying there is a time and place for everything, I time for 
letting go and a time for experiencing that which is brought to you. 
 
 Really what is important is being alive to the moment without thought 
so that whatever you do is from the flow of spirit, and because of it, 
no matter what you do ...its right. The thing is getting rid of the 
thoughts, ideas, conceptions, the conditioning that holds the patterns 
together. To be free of habit and patterns is where the music really 
begins, when you don't know what you are doing or why, and you simply 
move with that inner voice of silence, then all is as it is and life 
simply is a song ready to be sung. 
 
Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:37:21 -0400 
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net> 
To: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: need some advice 
Message-ID: <335DAE21.78D7ATnospambridge.net> 
 
 
Buran dear,
 
I can see your "wisdom" evaluating other peoples intentions ..and  with 
a lot of sarcasm and lack of humor I'd say... I really want to see if 
you develop a really serious illness if you would not go to a doctor... 
what are you suggesting.. a Christian Science approach???  
I, personally would go to anything available, darling...I would add that 
your comments are kind lacking of love and compassion... long... 
way..... home....so I answer in the same vibe.  
In Spanish burro means donkey or ass, burran could mean pertaining to 
that... 
this was Burran's evaluation! but I love you too.
 
> Hi Pamela, 
> >You want advice about your throat...The first thing I would do is go to 
> >a throat nose and ears doctor to see if you dont have nodes in your 
>         *Ooh, a burst of wisdom! They say, "Trust in Allah but tie your 
> camel to a tree." 
> >Love and light, 
>         *Indeed : ) 
> >Lissettte 
> > 
>  
>  
> Buran Khan <;-} 
> dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com 
> May you get what you want . . . 
> And may it be what you asked for!
 
>  
> 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:26:16 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments 
Message-ID: <335E8C80.3283ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
HI Kat, 
 Beautiful sharing of your experience. When you began to let go and just 
give things away, you were creating the space for higher truth to come 
in. This is the same principal at work in the letting go process, when 
you give up an idea, opinion, or thought about this or that, you leave 
go and make a space for light and truth to enter and enlighten you. With 
each giving up of self, light enters. This is the interior process that 
one must become absorbed in, this is also the foundation for spiritual 
growth on every level.  
 Even though things may seem slow right now, it is an illusion, all is 
in perfect order. Enter inside into the silence of it and then upon 
coming out into the world again observe and become aware of the 
illusion, the noise, activity, tastes, feel.. all of it is illusion. 	 
In side in the silence, no-thing is of focus other then the creator. 
When you enter back into the world frequency, what has changed, isn't 
all that is of direct relationship to you still centered around the 
creator? What is God's Will for you? That is the question to explore.  
 While your on this quest you will notice skati very much at work in 
your midst, just notice, don't think or judge, just observe. Let it go 
as nothing but the glimpse of spirit dancing around you... stay focused, 
Be STill And Know I Am God. Gloria 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:42:31 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net> 
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments 
Message-ID: <335E904E.25ADATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
Pamela, 
 When you are immursed in that feeling of wanting to go and do or be 
somewhere else it is just that shadow/ego/self trying to hold on to its 
place in life. While it is always nice to leave in thought and mind, the 
fact is where you are is exactly where you need to be. And, for whatever 
reason you have adjusted your life to the present circumstance, it is 
perfect. Bloom where you are planted. 
 Going into the now and observing the hustle and bustle of life is so 
very important in the detaching process. And, while you maynot feel like 
being a part of the activities of that day, there is a reason for it. 
  It is just learning to let go of any thought about what is or should 
be so that whatever you do, is simply nothing more then what that moment 
manifested for you. It is in this process that fruit began to manifest, 
because it is not you in control. When you are not doing what you want, 
think, desire, and are just being, you are in spirit. 		Learning to let 
go and simply move, is the real victory. I know it seems like you aren't 
doing anything, but in truth, by not doing anything, you are doing 
something that is very difficult to master. Can you understand what I'm 
saying to you? Gloria 
 It is when you don't know what your doing, or why your doing it that 
you are in sink, it is in this aspect of movement that miracles happen. 
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:50:14 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: tg xxx <imtgATnospamjuno.com> 
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Death of Ego 
Message-ID: <335E921C.73BATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
 
HI TG and all, 
 Ego is that part of self that is in control, it thinks to believe, it 
creates to exist, and it manipulates to control. But, it is not bad, it 
is a mystical paradox. Before you can enter into deep spiritual training 
you must have obtained quite a developed ego. Until this has been 
obtained there can't be any real consciousness of the letting go 
process.  
 So, you might say, ok you work like heck to create and succeed, and 
once you've become pretty good at it... then you have what is required 
to go to the next stage... WHICH IS TO UNDO EVERYTHING THAT YOU WORKED 
SO HARD TO DO.
 
 Yep that it in a nut shell. It isn't until you have mastered the art of 
creation that you are ready to give it up and connect back up to the 
eternal movement of spirit and remember what it is that you are, where 
you came from, and your ultimate purpose. There can be no real awareness 
of self until you consciously work to become free which means to break 
away from the illusion and let go. Meditate on this one, it will give 
you great blessings. Gloria
 
 
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