1997/04/21 16:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #183
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 183
Today's Topics:
Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
Kundalini anyone
Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
Say a little prayer for the flood??
Re: Booklist
Kat Kit
Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels and attachments
another personal booklist
Re: Music, Meditaion, etc.
Booklists:
Re: Psychic self-defense
Why I love my cat?
Rules rule
Re: Forcing Shakti
Re: Forcing Shakti
Re: Music, Meditaion, etc.
Death of Ego
two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:05:58 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
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In message <335AAD89.3D51ATnospamserv.net>, Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net> writes
> This is an interesting subject ! Funny how some of us seem to be in the
>same place in our journey.
i recognise these symptoms you go onto describe, well...i think it's
important to make a clear distinction between spontaneous turning
within, such as is often brought on by shakti emergence, and selfish
isolation rooted in alienation and egotism.
if one turns within in a formal religious setting such as an ashram or
monastery everyone understands what's going on, but if you try to
balance this turning within in amore worldly setting with an everyday
life, people tend to get confused or can become critical as this turning
within is not valued in our culture as a general rule.
i found a classic tension in my life at around the time of the Gulf War
between an international features service i was editing that was
outspoken against it, which obviously needed a lot of research and time
and ethical strength as this was not a popular view, - and the inner
call of the shakti, who kept telling me to sit down and meditate and
just let it all go....
so i'd be sitting in the mornings, bathed in light and bliss....and
arrive late at work....and yet still not satisfy shakti's need for inner
nurturing and integration....even though there was tons of scope for
creativity in my job...and ended up satisfying no one - since my
lifestyle was alien to fellow workers too as was my way of working
....with positive energy rather than office politics and backbiting...
but in the end it all turned nasty and we parted company by mutual
arrangement....
so all i'm saying is that there's sometimes a genuine dilemma here and
we ignore the inner needs of the shakti at our peril...
go sit on a mountain top ! wherever it may be..... Yogi Tom xxxx
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:35:28 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini anyone
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> Sorry if my old age of 60 has left me preaching you.Throw
>away if you do not like something or even hit me back . It is all in the game
> ram
*I come to K-list with only questions. *Finally* you are answering
some of them. Thank you.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:11:32 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
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In message <970421100755_-865588163ATnospamemout20.mail.aol.com>,
LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com writes
>Pamela:
>
>So much of the old me has *died* that I hardly recognize myself. Inside,
>I'm an observer of my own actions, reactions, emotions and feelings as much
>as anyone looking at me from the outside. Perhaps this is one of the aspects
>of detachment Yogi Tom was describing.
oh yes, and if you meditate it can be really intriguing as one begins to
explore who's even doing this witnessing and observing.....
Who am I ?
once a little voice inside just said "There never was a me" and i saw it
had all been a big dream from beginning....
also cleaning out stuff...
or just letting it go...
yep, know this well
and burning things....DIY Tantric fire ceremony......i revelled in
burning the old rugby team photographs from my childhood that shakti was
not very impressed by, to put it mildly, as competitve male ego and
goddess of divine energy don't mix well !
once spent an afternoon watching the pure soap suds of a washing machine
cycle in the launderette and felt shakti cleaning me out within in just
the same way....
went through a phase of loving absolutely clean everything - sheets,
clothes, carpets...
and bathing and sunbathing to clean out chakras and subtle energy....
it's all timing and alchemy...
sometimes it's good to hold onto one's resources and put them to
practical use,
sometimes obvious uses for them come to mind that can help others and
which feel right....
sometimes a bit of both
sometimes possessions are the least important aspects of one's life
have had a little problem lately in, in a moment of unmindfulness and
naivety, satisfying someone else's idea of what is generous.....
and without thinking i went along with it and things are now a little
complicated for both myself and receiver of said charity....
so even charity seems to be a complicated thing if one isn't careful and
thoughtful as well as kind....
although maybe everything will work out...
as it came from the heart, but not the head as well as a balancing
force......
Enshallah.
Sufi Tom
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 15:11:38 EDT
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Say a little prayer for the flood??
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Hi everyone!
I'm sure many of you have witnessed the devastation in Grand Forks North Dakota!
Well, that same Red River is on it's was to my home town - Winnipeg,
Manitoba (Canada).
Although I don't live there anymore, the majority of my family and many
friends do.
They are expecting the worse flooding in 500 years!
I wonder if anyone would say a little prayer for Winnipeg, Grand Forks and
all the little towns along the way, where people are losing everything they own.
It can't hurt.
Thank you
A lighthearted traveller (with a worried face :-|
Mo
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:05:22 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Booklist
Message-ID: <335C0ED2.5513ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Kat wrote:
> Pamela included a booklist in her post. I just posted something about
> synchronicity on the list and here's some more of it. I was thinking day
> before yesterday that I'd really like to have a list of books that others on
> the list found interesting
I am reading "People of the Lie" - M. Scott Peck
which is written by a very wise psychotherapist
who is stupid enough to believe in evil people (so judgmental?).
Books I would recommend include - almost at random are:
"Learning How to Learn"
and "Seeker After Truth" both by Idries Shah
Have probably read them about twenty times
and still have not finished . . .
"The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
By Sogyal Rinpoche
is good for anyone who intends to die . . .
"Tao Te Ching" ascribed to Lao Tsu
seems to be excellent however many times you read it
"The Philokalia" - various authors - not all translated yet
should keep Orthodox Christians occupied for a while
at least the rest of their lives . . .
"Zenarchy" Kerry W. Thornley - This is fun if you can get hold of it
"Alchemy" from Franz Hartmann (SureFire Press) is tiny but excellent.
(Fariduddin Attar's) "Memoirs of Saints" translated by Dr Bankey Behari
"Alchemical Evolution" by A A Aziz - which might possibly
be written by Lobster - oh all right it is . . .
published by:
Banton Press
Dippin Cottage
Isle of Arran
Scotland
KA27 8SB
Tel: 044 01770 820231
- you will have to order - not widely stocked
excerpt at:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/evolve.html
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:08:21 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Kat Kit
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Kat wrote:
> The more I simplify life, the easier life becomes.
> The more detached I get from my emotional attachment to outcomes,
> the more universal and unconditional love I feel.
> The more unconditional love I feel,
> the less I feel any inclination to judge anyone.
> The more I allow life to just flow and go with it,
> the more synchronistic life becomes,
> and the more I know I am loved by the universe.
>
> Any thoughts from the list?
What you mean - that is it ?!?!!
Is there not some practice we should do?
some book?
a guru?
kundalini?
- help me here -
Oh I give up, you people make it sound so easy . . .
mind you . . .
:-)
that felt good . . .
maybe it really is that simple
but eh . . .
maybe there is something else?
maybe that is a good start
maybe? maybe? maybe . . .
:-)
Still feels good
Sort of . . . simply good . . .
:-) :-) :-)
You know maybe you are right . . .
Most Kind BLESSINGS
Lobster
:-) :-) :-)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:18:31 -0700
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels and attachments
Message-ID: <335BBD87.74EFATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
> am i alone in having found tremendous need to let go of friends and
> family and childhood and parents for a while
nope, Sartre knew whereof he spake when he uttered:
"L'enfer est les autres"
-'Hell is other people' (or the variant: 'Hell is otherness')
To which goddess Prajnaparamita rejoinds:
"What _other_ people? There are no other people!
If you think you see other people, you are, by definition, in Hell!
If you only see yourself in many mirrors, then you are
getting close to seeing your way out of Hell."
(so is democratic solipsism the only way to detach with sanity?)
cheers
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:40:15 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: another personal booklist
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these i have used again and again over the years.....
specifically on kundalini:
Kundalini Yoga for the West - Swami Sivananda Radha
Kundalini - Gopi Krishna
The Kundalini Experience - Lee Sannella MD
Kundalini: The Arousal of the Inner Energy - Ajit Mookerjee
Kundalini, Evolution and Enlightenment - essays edited by John White
anyone into hatha or astanga yoga could try:
Light on Yoga - BKS Iyengar, which is a good reference book that will
last a lifetime
and just in case anyone's interested in an overview of all the schools
of Buddhism to see what might suit their needs and interests, if any of
them:
Survey of Buddhism - Sangharakshita
but the two books that really got things going were:
The Way of the White Clouds - Lama Govinda (about a journey through
Tibet on foot before the Chinese invasion in 1950)
Autobiography of A Yogi by Sri Yogananda (which i should think nearly
everyone knows already....)
on a somewhat lighter note i really enjoyed The Tao of Pooh
and for poetry, Rabindranath Tagore's Gitanjali (Song Offerings) is
always worthy of a read
and Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha is a fine piece of writing
and if you want something a little Tantric...
try The 100,000 Songs of Milarepa, but this can be hot stuff, so beware
!
regards
Bookworm Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:16:19 -0700
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Music, Meditaion, etc.
Message-ID: <335BCB13.671CATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
> I wonder if all musicians know what they do or what they are
> capable of. I think the good ones do.
I think Carlos Santana is one of those who do, and is consciously
amplifying/channeling cosmic unity/love through his music,
I have never seen him in concert, but saw a video interview with him
and he talked explicitly about this. I was impressed by how much
love he radiated even though on a video.
check out the 'Brothers' CD of last year or so.
Also, Gospel music greats certainly do/did, though the contemporary
Gospel I have heard sounds like the contact with the spirit is getting
fainter. Probably those old camp-meeting revival song-fests had a
lot to do with the spirit of the Gospel greats of the 30's and 40's.
There was a tradition among the Southern slaves in America to sing in
a circle for hours at night, sometimes until the dawn, until they
felt the 'descent of the holy ghost'. I think it would be wonderful
to revive this tradition. Imagine singing spirituals for hours under
the stars at night out in some open field standing in a circle of
people clapping and singing!
Glory!
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:07:26
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Booklists:
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Kundalini FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) By Kurt Keutzer,
and the Kundalini Recommended Reading
book review list is maintained at
http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/kundgate.html
and mirrored in europe at
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/
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A question to members...I am wondering how many of you have made use of
the link to Amazon books on the site to make a purchase? The reason I am
asking is that I am considering streamlining the site and taking the Amazon
connections away to save space, and I won't if it's proven to be useful.
Please respond to me in private, not on the list.
Blessings, List Mystress.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:34:50 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Psychic self-defense
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>Best of luck with your search, even finding a really good definision of
>Kundalini would be an accomplishment :)
>Terry Olsen
*Thanks, I'm inclined to agree with you on definitions.
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Douglas Sunlin
I walk out of ignorance,
Experimenting.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:42:22 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Why I love my cat?
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I love my cat.
She's ignorant to a fault and thoroughly selfish. She won't be
friendly with me unless I'm petting or feeding her. Or changing her
litterbox.
If she finds a mouse, she will torture it until it dies, then eats
it. She won't eat anything but meat. She doesn't care if her claws
sometimes hurt me.
She is completely uninterested in my spiritual search. She has
near-zero chance of enlightenment in this lifetime.
I love her regardless. I don't know why, and I don't care.
Oh, by the way, I hate my parents.
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Douglas Sunlin
I walk out of ignorance,
Experimenting.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:58:36 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Rules rule
Message-ID: <335C1B4C.1C0AATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hazrat Inayat Khans
approach to spiritual evolution as described by
the set of the iron rules,
copper rules, silver rules, and golden rules.
The iron rules:
My conscientious self:
Make no false claims.
Speak not against others in their absence.
Do not take advantage of a person's ignorance.
Do not boast of your good deeds.
Do not claim that which belongs to another.
Do not reproach others, making them firm in their
faults.
Do not spare youself in the work which you must
accomplish.
Render your services faithfully to all who
require them.
Seek not profit by putting someone in straits.
Harm no one for your own benefit.
The Copper rules:
My conscientious self:
Consider your responsibility sacred.
Be polite to all.
Do nothing which will make your conscience feel
guilty,
Extend your help willingly to those in need.
Do not look down upon the one who looks up to you.
Judge not another by your own law,
Bear no malice against your worst enemy,
Influence no one to do wrong.
Be prejudiced against no one.
Prove trustworthy in all your dealings.
Silver rules:
My conscientious self:
Consider duty as sacred as religion.
Use tact on all occasions.
Place people rightly in your estimation.
Be no more to anyone than you are expected to be.
Have regard for the feeling of every soul,
Do not challenge anyone who is not your equal.
Do not make a show of your generosity.
Do not ask a favor of those who will not grant it
to you,
Meet your shortcomings with a sword of self
respect,
Let not your spirit be humbled in adversity.
Golden Rules:
My conscientious self:
Keep to your principles in prosperity as well as
in adversity.
Be firm in faith through life's tests and trials.
Guard the secrets of friends as your most sacred
trust.
Observe constancy in love.
Break not your word of honor whatever may befall.
Meet the world with smiles in all conditions of
life.
When you possess something, think of the one who
does not possess it.
Uphold your honor at any cost.
Hold your ideal high in all circumstances.
Do not neglect those who depend upon you.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:41:41 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: norddenATnospamhsd.utc.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Forcing Shakti
Message-ID: <19970421.174357.16894.16.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
Dennis...
I cannot speak for others, but I received a spontaneous awakening through
ritualistic discipline. I woke up each and every morning (without fail)
at a certain time (6am at first, and later, as the K started activity, I
would be motivated to arise at 5am). My personal path is A Course in
Miracles, so when I would awaken, I would light some candles (for no
particular reason) and sit and read my lesson for the day. Spend about
15-20 minutes on that. Then I would meditate for 30 min to 60 min,
whatever felt right. And then I would do a little Chi-Kun (spelling is
incorrect - like TaiChi) for about 10-15 minutes to balance out
energies. Finally, I would read a part of the text from the Course
(ACIM) for anywhere from 15 min. to 2 hours, depending what I had planned
for that morning.
I began this strict discipline on Jan. 1st, 1993. On March 1st, 93, I
had just finished my ritual (by this time, I was up to about 3 hours of
this stuff). It was 9am and I was putting my makeup on, sitting at my
vanity. A friend called that tends to 'nag' me a lot. I got aggravated
with her, hung up, and just began crying my eyes out (us girls can do
that!), asking God to please help me see her differently. And in the
next moment, I opened my eyes and nothing was there but pure white and
lights that went on for eternity. The quiet was definitely the peace of
God - there was not one thought in my mind, not one sound. It was
amazing! I even called someone during that time, describing it to them.
I stayed that way for approximately 2-3 hours. It was heavenly.
And this was just the beginning... and i won't go into all the other
experiences that occurred, but I want you to know that it is possible,
but mine was made possible from a strict discipline (and I certainly may
have over-did it). I was also on a mild amphetimine that was prescribed
to me for narcolepsy, which most likely was the cause of my 'obsession'
in my discipline. Throughout the day I filled my mind with thoughts of
God - I got them from the lessons in ACIM. Things like "my mind holds
only the thoughts of God", "I am the light", etc. etc. There was not a
moment in my waking hours that I was not thinking some sort of thought
such as that. Guess it is the same as a mantra.
I noticed after that 'light' illumination I received, I was shown the way
from there. I knew exactly what to do and when to do it. I am sure you
will be too.
I do have to add that approximately 30 days later, I did go a little
K-razy, after another mystical 'experience'. It took me 9 months to get
over it. Then I began the same discipline once again (stupid me), and 3
weeks later, the same thing happened. Had another 'experience' and went
very K-razy! It took me another year to heal from that. During these
healing times, I could do no form of discipline at all - no mantra, no
meditation, no serious study.
I did not know about Kundalini and the dangers of it. Mine was pure
self-study. I just happened across the K in the past year, which helped
me immensely to understand what was occurring with the mystical
experiences I had and that made me lose touch with reality. This list
has truly been a blessing.
Also, I did not have a good foundation with 'casting my cares' / turning
things over to God/Holy Spirit/Higher Self/whatever you want to call it.
I went into a great fear state. I have spent the last several years
building up my foundation and releasing all fears. If I were to teach
anything on the Kundalini, I would have to say that a good foundation
like that is most important. And also if I were to have had good
knowledge of the Kundalini so I would be aware of what is going on when
it all happens. But please ask someone else what is most important --
this was so only in my case.
I am sure there is an easier and gentler way to raise the K without
forcing it, as I did through ignorance of the subject.
Although I came through it all fine, and I do feel I am more of who I am,
it did take me, what? 3 years to get to this place. And I am still
learning. I forced the Shakti - and whether that is a good idea or not,
I really don't know. I feel I was definitely
'accellerated' in my spiritual growth because of it. But I had to go to
Hell and back to get where I am now. Where am I now, is 'i don't know'
and it doesn't really matter. Just going with the flow now - no
discipline, nothing. The emptiness I felt for a couple of years has
finally left me. I am just living my life and having the best time I can
with it now. I feel I have come full circle now - back to where I was
years and years ago - feels kind of like going backwards - but this time,
I'm doing it through more (cough cough) wisdom. More confident and
assertive, more gentle and forgiving. Less defensive. Less Anger.
Having the ability to focus more on the big picture, rather than what is
right in front of me. Learning that everything in this world is helpful
- I just have to decide, when faced with a choice, which is the more
helpful. Things like that.
Hope I didn't bore you. This is just my story. (for those who have
already heard this story, please excuse the repetition...). I think
the death of my ex has brought up a lot these past few days - I'm feeling
such a need to just yak yak yak all of your ears off... I'll shut up
now.
Good Luck,
xxxtg
"Love doesn't make the world go round -- Love is what makes the ride
worthwhile."
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgshome.html <~~~~ on the web now!
On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:05:16 -0400 Dennis Nord <norddenATnospamhsd.utc.com>
writes:
>Eric --
>
>I have "Kundalini and the Chakras: A Practical Manual - Evolution in
>this Lifetime" by Genevieve Paulson. Tried the exercises (for the
>same
>naive reasons) numerous times over a couple of weeks. Nothing.
>
>Does this mean I'm not ready? Why is Shakti withholding?
>
>Dennis Nord
>norddenATnospamhsd.utc.com
>
>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:19:42 -0700
From: Eric Kieselhorst <redATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Forcing Shakti
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Dennis Nord wrote:
>Eric --
>
>I have "Kundalini and the Chakras: A Practical Manual - Evolution in
>this Lifetime" by Genevieve Paulson. Tried the exercises (for the same
>naive reasons) numerous times over a couple of weeks. Nothing.
>
>Does this mean I'm not ready? Why is Shakti withholding?
I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't. Hopefully some folks
on the K-list have some wisdom to share in this area. To be honest,
I don't even have a good grasp as to what happened to me after I
did those exercises, let alone why it happened.
I wanted so much to experience something "spiritual" back then.
My reasons for wanting this experience were part ego, part ignorance
and part good intentions. Ironically, what I got was a very physical
experience that shook me to my core. Looking back, if I was the
Great-cosmic-Shakti-dispenser I certainly wouldn't have deemed me ready.
But what exactly does "ready" mean? If it was up to me, I don't think
I'd ever be "ready" for the flu, but when flu season comes around I
may not have a say in the matter.
Well like I said, I hope someone on the K-list has some answers for
your questions. I'm definately not qualified for the task. Take care
eric
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:11:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Music, Meditaion, etc.
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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Peter Norton wrote:
> > I wonder if all musicians know what they do or what they are
> > capable of. I think the good ones do.
>
> I think Carlos Santana is one of those who do, and is consciously
> amplifying/channeling cosmic unity/love through his music,
> I have never seen him in concert, but saw a video interview with him
> and he talked explicitly about this. I was impressed by how much
> love he radiated even though on a video.
Yeah, especially check out his duo album with Mahavishnu John McLaughlin,
he was going under the name Devadip Carlos Santana since both were
disciples of Sri Chinmoy.
> check out the 'Brothers' CD of last year or so.
>
> Also, Gospel music greats certainly do/did, though the contemporary
> Gospel I have heard sounds like the contact with the spirit is getting
> fainter. Probably those old camp-meeting revival song-fests had a
> lot to do with the spirit of the Gospel greats of the 30's and 40's.
>
> There was a tradition among the Southern slaves in America to sing in
> a circle for hours at night, sometimes until the dawn, until they
> felt the 'descent of the holy ghost'. I think it would be wonderful
> to revive this tradition. Imagine singing spirituals for hours under
> the stars at night out in some open field standing in a circle of
> people clapping and singing!
>
> Glory!
>
John Coltrane, anything by him especially "A Love Supreme", he is a
virtuoso, dedicated to the point of insanity almost. His drug addcition
was transformed into a life of religion.....almost all of his later music
has some religious connotation with no sect in particular.
Bye, nothing is
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:16:31 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Death of Ego
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xxxtg:
>I am getting *glimpses* of, that there is no ego, other than the guilt &
>fear thoughts we may have. And once the guilt & fear are let go, walla!
>no ego.
>
>I am open to seeing it differently if this is not the case....
*Go for it! If it works for you in the long run, that's all that
matters. As far as guilt and fear, do they have a single source? I suggest
ignorance. Do our "notes" match on this?
Maybe you can help me clear up a little confusion about
contradictions. On the path to enlightenment, we are instructed to embrace
a realization that we are "one with the Universe". Then, it seems, we are
asked to detach from it! Or we're asked to detach "something" from it.
Maybe there is no contradiction . . .
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Douglas Sunlin
I walk out of ignorance,
Experimenting.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:59:46 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
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"love and shared wisdom", starting now...errr that's it.
alternatively: take one unripe kundalini, willfully awaken her and
manipulate her and rapidly go nutty causing untold damage to self and
others....
the point ? shakti comes when shakti wants to come, and, errr, that's
it.....
of course, even then there can be a transitional phase of nuttiness, but
this is completely different as it will be resolved ultimately and tends
to be self-balancing and profoundly purifying, healing and
integrating.....
it also tends to be more organic "existential" crisis than psychic
overheating as can happen with willful manipulation of yogic exercises
sincere seeking can be good, willful grasping can be painful and/or
futile, willful manipulation disastrous, and shakti exercises taken out
of books really can be a recipe for disaster unless idiot proof - why
put them in the book if they need a public health warning - surely it's
simpler just to forget them altogether ?
regards, "burnt fingers" Tom :}
(there, i smiled, you see, i'm mastering netiquette slowly but surely,
and lightening up just a little when not admonishing the world at
large.....)
--
Tom Aston
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