1997/04/19 05:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #176
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 176
Today's Topics:
Re: Heat, energy scattering
Re: Tantric Kundalini
Re: I saw a dead snake today
kundalini conception is the problem
Re: Who you are
Kundalini anyone?
Inner voice
Re: Kundalini anyone?
Re: Eulogy for Mad Tom, Eulogy for Lobster and Buddha's Behind
Re: Eulogy for Mad Tom
Re: Siddha yoga
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Re: kundalini conception is the problem
Kundalini anyone
kundalini anyone
Re: kundalini conception is the problem
Tantric Kundalini - i bend with the shakti on sex...
Re: Eulogy for this list, the choice of one Way, divine
madness, serious games, or spiritual discussion for arts sake.
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:28:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Narahari Phatak <forehamATnospamimsa.edu>
To: Richie Suraci <rs7.fapATnospammhv.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Nathan Gross <beakerATnospamimsa.edu>
Subject: Re: Tantric Kundalini
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Richie-
Is this the true way. By no means can ritual, polyfidelic sex be
considered a middle path. Karma states that for every extreme experience
an opposite experience will soon follow. We know biologically that sex is
for the purposes of reproduction, not to please God. What have you gained
from this form of expression? From a kundalini standpoint, in the
post-orgasmic bliss, your chakras will have opened, but they will soon
close. Why don't you stick to meditation, less meaningless risk. I agree
that sex is beautiful, but it is a gift from GOd, to be shared by the
ONE you love. Don't kid yourself by believeing for a second that by having
sex with a multitude of people shows that you love them. It simply shows
that you have a problem disciplining yourself.
Tantra is not a fuckfest, but it has been corrupted by those who wish to
use the principles within it to take advantage of others. Tantra is simply
another path to Enlightenment, a path away from ignorance and delusion. By
engaging in these acts, you are only serving to deepen your ignorance and
delusion, thus getting you nowhere. You may be aware of your bodies, your
physical pleasure, your momentary bliss. Unfortunately, none of this
lasts.
I beg you, do not dismiss what I say as self-righteous
rantings.I am going through a difficult period in my life, I am just now
beginning to see my identity. I have on many occasions thought of leaving
behind my beliefs and adopting more liberal attitudes towards what I
consider vices. I am currently experiencing the same dilemmas you are.
>From a Shambhalic standpoint, I am trying to rid myself of this cocoon and
prepare myself so that one day I might gaze upon the glory and brilliance
of the metaphorical Great Eastern Dawn without the shackles of this
"setting sun" society. May god bless you with the courage to find your
middle path, your true path.
Best of wishes,
Hari
On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Richie Suraci wrote:
> Thank you for responding.... yes, we are for real. We have been in
> existence since the 60's, have had over 7,800 inquiries worlwide and
> continue to offer tantric sexual puja ceremonies for screened, advanced
> tantric practioners, especially those with tantric knowledge of the erotic
> arts and doctrines of Hindu tantric tradition. We meet in small groups at
> various full moon puja rituals in various locations. What is your
> knowledge of tantra? Do you have a consort, partner? We are a group that
> incorporates both the spiritual and physical union of mind, body and spirit.
>
> We do not deny sexual interchange in our rites, we adore and encourage it.
> Most people involved are professional psychologists, philosophers and
> tantric practitioners, very well educated, physically fit, non-smokers,
> healthy and from all walks of life.
>
> As you may have implied tantra is a form of a fuckfest, but of a different
> nature than what you are imlpying. We are all mostly polyfidelic that
> participate within the puja community and everyone should be of a mature
> adult nature to participate, 21 or over.....
>
> Tell us about yourself, your interests, knowledge, etc.
>
> Thank you for inquiring....
>
>
>
>
> Is this for real??? How does the semi-rational human being know that this
> >isn't just your personal fuckfest?
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Richie Suraci wrote:
> >
> >> This summer we are planning some nude, naturalistic gatherings where we
> >> will celebrate and rejoice with the Tantric Kundalini Pagan Spirit and
> >> share in the ancient sexual rituals of Tantra Kundalini.
> >>
> >> Shiva Gods and Shakti Goddesses will join together for a polyfidelic,
> >> orgiastic union of the divine spiritual energies and physical pleasures
> >> involved in total kundalini massage and erotic tantric union.
> >>
> >> Anyone who reads this post is invited to email us at rs7.fapATnospammhv.net and
> >> find out more about how to participate in the celebrations of love,
> >> ecstacy, bliss and divine tantric kundalini union.
> >>
> >> We look forward to hearing from you........
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I saw a dead snake today
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At 10:29 PM 4/17/97 -0400, CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 4/17/97 1:38:15 AM, you wrote:
>
>>I saw a dead snake today but my K seems intact.
>
>Remember, the Death card is not the end, it is a changeing, perhaps a
>breakthrough is near.
>
>Keep your ears open, sometime the sounds you hear are wonderful.
>
>++ {-)
Ah! Thank you. Yes, could be.
M
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:49:35 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: Nanik Lakhani <lakhaniATnospamica.net>
Subject: kundalini conception is the problem
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I have been going thro' tremondous pain and heat etc. since last
five years. Gita (a book which Hindus worship told by Hindu
God Krishna) describes it as kundalini serpent eating
away flesh bones heart skin hair etc. and giving out heat.
Having the same symptoms as mentioned in Gita I came to positive
conclusion that I am going thro' the K- process as you all
are going thro. Last one month contact with K-list members
confirms this.
But...Iwas given a different conception by my inner voice .
And .. following this conception not only I have travelled fast
on this road, but have been safe from fear of mental and
emotional problems. In fact I have been able to control
this energy to some extent so that my outward life and
inward journey continues at good rate.
Initially my purpose was to come out with this conception
but by the time I type out two three pages on the
computer , something goes wrong at e-mail connection and
whole effort is wasted. This problem might be pecular to
Poona becuase of shortage of phone lines.
I tried attachments once but instructions at your end do
not approve of this.
I have 80 pages of notes ready with me.
What should I do?
Any suggestions....
Ram Peswani
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:39:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Who you are
Message-ID: <970419013914_548511883ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
Lobster quoted Thich Nhat Hahn:
<< So I can wake up and so the door of my heart can be left open >>
Thank you for putting the dichotomy of life into perspective. What a
profound statement from a Buddhist monk and what perfect timing from a
Lobster!
Spiritual growth is not just experiencing various *phenomena* when the heart
is involved. If the heart isn't involved, we get ego; often a huge and
contemptuous ego. Which is a lesson in itself -- of how we do not want to
be.
:-) Love,
Kat
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:19:39 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini anyone?
Message-ID: <3358B85B.571AATnospamdial.pipex.com>
KUNDALINI?
There are many expereinces of euphoria, ecstasy and other body highs
that seem to be what most regards as Kundalini. I have had such
experiences for up to two years and consider them disturbing and
irrational as well as pleasurable and addictive. During such times the
potential for genuine spiritual searching is very great but the
delusional possibilities are also present.
I have never written much about kundalini because my contention has been
that it is irrelevant to the spiritual emergence of most people. In
genuine mystical science kundalini emergence is a difficult and
dangerous process, not a hit and miss experiment. However the genuine
stirrings of spirituality and the movement to psychological wholeness I
do consider important. So perhaps if I write about what I consider
contaminants this may be of some interest:
A body ecstasy can be induced by various techniques: chanting, body
movement, fasting, hormonal and chemical imbalance etc. If you just want
that then become a K junky but do not call drug addiction spiritual.
Drugs may produce insights and psychological growth but there are
inherent dangers of over use (what we might call abuse?) and movements
to extremes of mood and psychological imbalance. An example of
irrationality is being defensive when not actually being personally
attacked.
If we feel good we assume this is spiritual. People used to blame
stomach ache on demons. When people are crazy (crazy is out of touch
with ourselves and others - been there - done that - I judge myself also
- I still consider myself very much out of balance) they ascribe strange
definitions to their experiences. Not everything you like is good for
you and not everything unpleasant has no purpose.
This is why I keep saying that K emergence is a clearing of
contaminants. It is not part of spiritual growth but is the clearing of
the channels for genuine growth. If people start from a position of
weirdness and then are made even more weird by their experiences all we
have is a bunch of weirdoes. How on earth is the body of light workers
that change the consciousness of the world going to be achieved by the
incompetent?
If you are out of touch with ordinary people and your family - it is not
because you are better or special - it is because you are unwell, you
are not at ease. Genuine spirituality makes you more empathic and more
in tune and a part of your environment. Every psychic power or ability
that differentiates you from others is a severe handicap - it is
alienating you from humanity. Again the genuine spiritual gift is almost
invisible and natural.
What I am saying is if K has wounded you - then you are wounded and need
to make efforts to repair that process. If you are weird and would
rather exalt that than admit and attempt to return to some kind of
normality then what are you running away from - yes yourself? So what
kind of spiritual path is it that runs away from reality?
Many people on this forum are honest enough to say they are wounded,
frightened individuals but to do that is part of a lie. Because
admitting something and then saying the Goddess is a hard master is not
sufficient. What you are is from you - you are the cause - you can also
cure - how many want to? Yes people are different; the closed and rigid
person needs craziness. So to the "free spirit" needs taming so that the
freedom can be transmitted to those less fortunate.
So dear Friends we must accept each other. We must repair the damage.
Most of all we must be honest with ourselves, for that is a genuine
stirring on the Path to Truth.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (a fellow casualty)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:08:15 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: E.JasonATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: Inner voice
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site http://pw2.netcom.com/~..........
Is temporary closed or does not exist .
Ram
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:33:19 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini anyone?
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On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, E Jason wrote..
>
> This is why I keep saying that K emergence is a clearing of
> contaminants. It is not part of spiritual growth but is the clearing of
> the channels for genuine growth. If people start from a position of
> weirdness and then are made even more weird by their experiences all we
> have is a bunch of weirdoes.
K emergence is clearing of contamination of past karmas .Perfect BALANCE
during the whole process is necessary at all moments, otherwise you are
wounding yourself further if you feel urophia or sadness or get involved
with the emotion. >
> If you are out of touch with ordinary people and your family - it is not
> because you are better or special - it is because you are unwell, you
> are not at ease
This is the real test of your progress. Always be balanced and people
around you are your mirror..
> What I am saying is if K has wounded you - then you are wounded and need
> to make efforts to repair that process.
You may temporarily withdraw and be a SEER for yourself . Watch your
europhia or your emotions in isolation without participating in the
emotions and come back to people around you again for your test.
>
> So dear Friends we must accept each other. We must repair the damage.
> Most of all we must be honest with ourselves, for that is a genuine
> stirring on the Path to Truth.
>
>
> Most Kind Regards
> Lobster (a fellow casualty)
>
>
In Buddhism they say Sadhu Sadhu...
dear Lobster , Agreed
ram
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:49:20 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
Subject: Re: Eulogy for Mad Tom, Eulogy for Lobster and Buddha's Behind
Message-ID: <33572781.45BBATnospambridge.net>
HI Tom,
I dont know what is happening to this list, but why bother answer some
"games condition" oriented comments that are lacking divine energy,
shakti. What you write should be respected, as everyone elses's postings
that reflect what the shakti provides. This list is for people
interested in kundalini and spiritual awakening, not the " stage " of
some frustrated egos, that their only form of expressing their
"brilliance" is throught these evaluations and nasty criticism of the
spiritual sharings of sincere people's feelings. I guess we love games,
but these are not very entertaining to me... how about the rest of you?
Loveyall,
Lissette
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:36:09 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Eulogy for Mad Tom
Message-ID: <33572469.5A3ATnospambridge.net>
Buran Khan <;-}> What an interesting statement! Can it be that you
practice yoga in
> order to get sick easier? Joy! Or perhaps the intent is to get high more
> cheaply? Well, now that would make sense, or at least save money. As they
> say in Tibet, "Yangdi sunda!" (Give me a discount!)
>
> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <>
> Buran Khan <;-}
Douglas,
I am still laughing ha ha ha ha ha ha hah a ha h ah ah ah
ahhahahahahahha ha ha ha ha ha hah a ha h ah ah ah ahhahahahahah
God are you funny and intelligent.... and wise.... and ... what else
does your ego need to have????????
Chill, in love and peace
Lissette
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:57:52 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Siddha yoga
Message-ID: <33572981.67E9ATnospambridge.net>
Nothing is, hi
Siddha yoga comes from kashmir shaivism. A siddha is a master, a
perfected one. Siddha yoga involves all yogas.
For more info you can go to
http://www.channel1.com/siddhayoga/index.html. There is a wonderful
correspondence course.
Love always,
Lissette
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:11:11 -1000 (HST)
From: D Bozzi <david.bozziATnospammail.snet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Fire child.
Lost in a cold world.
Searching for a spark.
You're,
Drowning in thirst.
Down by the river.
You're
Born of the Sun.
Yet you shake and you shiver.
Children of the Sun.
Playing in the rain.
Thought it could be fun.
To be insane.
The puzzle never fits,
The first try.
Flowerchild.
Blooming.
You are the Artist,
Painting what You see.
And
The world...
Is Your tapestry.
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 02:27:35
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: Nanik Lakhani <lakhaniATnospamica.net>
Subject: Re: kundalini conception is the problem
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970418022735.0c5f2846ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Send them to me as attached plain text file, (peswani.txt) and I will
convert it to html without editing and post it on my website so all the
list can read it. 123 easy.. It will be a direct address, not linked to
anything on my site now.
Or, you may announce it's existence as you have done, and send it out to
any who request. But putting it on a site is better, because some would
visit a website who might be too shy to ask for a copy.
But, I have noticed sometimes that spirit messes the connection if you try
to send before thoughts are finished...I mentioned, my computer edits my
work.
Your computer may be more of a perfectionist than mine.
Please also write an intro to the notes, this letter would do fine, but
you might want to invite folks outside of K. list to view the site, and so
a bit more explanation might be a good opening...you decide.
Blessings, Angelique.
At 10:49 19/04/97 +0500, Sunil R Peswani wrote:
>
> I have been going thro' tremondous pain and heat etc. since last
> five years. Gita (a book which Hindus worship told by Hindu
> God Krishna) describes it as kundalini serpent eating
> away flesh bones heart skin hair etc. and giving out heat.
> Having the same symptoms as mentioned in Gita I came to positive
> conclusion that I am going thro' the K- process as you all
> are going thro. Last one month contact with K-list members
> confirms this.
> But...Iwas given a different conception by my inner voice .
> And .. following this conception not only I have travelled fast
> on this road, but have been safe from fear of mental and
> emotional problems. In fact I have been able to control
> this energy to some extent so that my outward life and
> inward journey continues at good rate.
>
> Initially my purpose was to come out with this conception
> but by the time I type out two three pages on the
> computer , something goes wrong at e-mail connection and
> whole effort is wasted. This problem might be pecular to
> Poona becuase of shortage of phone lines.
>
> I tried attachments once but instructions at your end do
> not approve of this.
> I have 80 pages of notes ready with me.
> What should I do?
>
>
> Any suggestions....
>
> Ram Peswani
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
-- Hector Louis Berlioz
Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of
something else anyway. -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide
review board
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:40:20 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Kundalini anyone
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K- awakening is pull from higher evolution life which is life
without body and life of unity ...unity.....unity
Emotions like love friedship devotion wisdom etc. are welcomed there.
But everyone has a seed of his or her own. One is meant for only
one of these emotions for still higher life towards Nirvana,
By remaining balanced the seed of your emotion will start getting
stronger and stronger
By remaining in awareness of this energy without emotion , one
first cleans out emotions like hatred anger fear distrust etc. which dis
unite the humanity of universe of ours, and later brings out the emotion
of UNITY for which we are meant to evolve
As more and more persons go towards Nirvana after Moksh, they
leave these emotions knowledge creativity etc. at Buddhic plane( a pool
of intelligent and unity energy)
This pool of energy pulls the humanity towards higher evolution
and hence due to this pool getting filled with time , the pull is going
to be greater and greater.
Present wave of increase of K- energy is the result. If you fail
to handle this K-energy properly , you may fall badly and your evolution
may get pushed back for a very very long time.
It is extremely important for K-list people to encourag
SAMTA..BALANCE..BE A WATCHER ..A SEER.. as far as
possible and you traversed that much ground. If emotions overtake you, do
not bother , you had just a small fall; get up and walk again.Journey is
long . Emotions of many births are inside the subconscious.
Living a NORMAL ..NORMAL ...life will make time unimportant.
K-energy rising is one of the greatest BLESSINGS if you let the
energy do its work and do not meddle in with your I...I..The energy knows
its work. Meddling will bring suffeings.no medicines no drugs , simple
food, regular hours and sitting with oneself.
doing things that bring in unity in humanity is all that you have to do.
Sorry if my old age of 60 has left me preaching you.Throw
away if you do not like something or even hit me back . It is all in the game
ram
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:22:26 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: Nanik Lakhani <lakhaniATnospamica.net>
Subject: kundalini anyone
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The advantages of contamination cleaning with the help of K-
energy are enormous for living in this world of ours.
We carry two types of ego kalapas.
One type is heavy kalapa with less shakti which is required
intially to grow with life after life for survival. This developes our
astral body, but does not bother about unity of life.
Second is light kalapa with more shakti which grows casual body
.Any person carrying this ego does not feel its weight and is not carried
away by emotions.
Sum total of these two egoes contributes to your success in the
life on this earth.Persons with bigger ego will achieve against a person
with lesser ego in competition of life desires always . He will have
higher status birth after birth.
Heavy kalapa ego limits a persons growth due to person getting
tired of emotional outbursts of pain ,love , hatred , fear etc.
Light kalapa ego persons growth is limitless.
Moksha and Nirvana are further benefits but why worry. Benefit
is here and now.
This is the reason why to get something some persons have to
struggle and struggle and for some it is always there.
Ram
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:33:22 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini conception is the problem
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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> But, I have noticed sometimes that spirit messes the connection if you try
> to send before thoughts are finished...I mentioned, my computer edits my
> work.
> Your computer may be more of a perfectionist than mine.
Totally agreed
.My inner voice also said that your notes are not
yet ready that is why computer refuses to send the letter which I typed
earlier.
ram
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:56:37 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: Claudia McNeely <whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net>
Cc: kundalini l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Tantric Kundalini - i bend with the shakti on sex...
Message-ID: <yb358NAlw$VzEwqXATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <MAPI.Id.0016.0068697465646f763030303930303039ATnospamMAPI.to.RFC822
>, Claudia McNeely <whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net> writes
>
>
>
>> I'll be there with chastity belt, just in case. Yogi Tom
>> --
>> Tom Aston
>>
>
>Tom, I'm disappointed. Are you saying you might be tempted? I thought you
>were above that?
>
>Claudia McNeely
>whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net
>balancedATnospamtexramp.net
>www.texramp.net/~whitedove
afraid so...well sort of...well, the thing about sublimating sex is it
has a time and a place, it's no fixed rule or anything....
and well, only the other night i was making love to a beautiful goddess
in my sleep after a long absence of this kind of thing, just very deep
sleep and occasional lucid dreams.....
and then i came across a Tantric verse suggesting sexuality was just one
more form of attachment whether sublimated or otherwise....
so, well, we're back with the tantric laughter of the void, who cares
and does it matter....
of course it does...not - delete as appropriate according to karma and
shakti's development of subtle body
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 08:13:20 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Eulogy for this list, the choice of one Way, divine
madness, serious games, or spiritual discussion for arts sake.
Message-Id: <12132080508657ATnospampeconic.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi there,
What a great question, what does the rest of the k-list prefer games, serious
discussion , or just poetry from the sublime to the serious, and etc,
what does one of us think? Let me tell you over a drink, of bliss, and this
is this:
I'll tell you one thing, only
it is a human thing to see baloney
that this question will be
the only one Id answer, if it was me
I would not answer at all ,
because I would take a giant fall,
join me, now, for some fun,
we can take a run,
around the block,
you will see
you can run faster than me,
but I can float up a tree,
please leave me to history,
dont worry a bit about the play
we" ll get there any way
I have one thing to add
you are so silly, it makes me laugh
why don't you go and take a bath
and I will stand there and laugh
see you, baby, I have told you
that I don't care what you try,
I will come and come and come and come
back another day,
today, I feel really silly, so I say,
you can not prefer any other way, for long,
for we are human,and we will sing songs,
we do cry and be so serious,
so we fall and be deliriously,
in love with life and motion, free,
we do go on, and on, in reality
so, this is a story that I can see
will have not ending, not immediately,
I told you what we don't know wont hurt me.
I want to know are you me? or am I you?
I am that I am that I am that U r for me...
this is free, advice from the Collective Me...
Raven
~V~
>
>HI Tom,
>I dont know what is happening to this list, but why bother answer some
>"games condition" oriented comments that are lacking divine energy,
>shakti. What you write should be respected, as everyone elses's postings
>that reflect what the shakti provides. This list is for people
>interested in kundalini and spiritual awakening, not the " stage " of
>some frustrated egos, that their only form of expressing their
>"brilliance" is throught these evaluations and nasty criticism of the
>spiritual sharings of sincere people's feelings. I guess we love games,
>but these are not very entertaining to me... how about the rest of you?
>Loveyall,
>Lissette
>
>
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