1997/04/03  13:10  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #142 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 142
 
Today's Topics: 
  Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. 
  The Seeker 
  Wot no web page? 
  Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. 
  Re: Question for Tom Aston 
  Re; Big Trees 
  Re: Question for Tom Aston 
  Re: Question for Tom Aston 
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:27:23 -0500 (EST) 
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke) 
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net 
Subject: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. 
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Drunvalo on the Pole Shift
 
In 1400 B.C. there was a major shifting of the axis. This was recorded in 
Egypt, Summeria, Babylonia and all over Mesopotamia and in the Bible. The 
sun stood still for 20 hours. (The Bible says, "for about a day.") And on 
the other side of the earth the ancient Olmec teachings there say the sun 
did not rise for one day because it was night time there. THOTH [One of 
Drunvalo's guides] says it was caused not by the normal shifting caused by 
the precession of the Equinoxes, but was caused by Nibiru of the Nephfilim 
which comes by every 3600 years. It goes between the orbits of Mars and 
Jupiter and comes very, very close to us. THOTH says that was the time when 
a big change occurred.
 
This is all so fantastic, if it is too much for you to accept, don't. Just 
let it go. But I got to tell you the way I was told and the way I see it. 
Go way back in time when they were setting up the Christ Consciousness 
Grid. The hole in Egypt to set the grid. It was calculated that by the 
winter of 1998 we would go through the shift and at that time a few people 
would make it through. And this is nothing unusual. This has been tried 
before on other planets. When a planet is out of phase or something, they 
may jump them up or they may jump them down. Depending on what level they 
are on at the time. Or they may start them all over again. That's what 
happened to the Hebrews. OR step them ahead, whatever is necessary. This 
aspect of the experiment, and you can say it is an experiment, did not 
attract any attention at all. 
However, about 200 years ago the Sirians the Father aspect of this race 
became aware there was a very high possibility we were not going to make 
it. They knew there was an event that was going to happen August 7, 1972 
and if we were not in a certain state of consciousness we were not going to 
make it. And if we didn't , that's it. There wouldn't even be a bug left on 
the planet. But the Sirians didn't want to see that happen, because as our 
parents they had compassion for us. So they started looking for an answer 
to this particular situation to solve the problem. And there weren't any. 
There was no cure. There was nothing known. There was nothing they could do 
to get a planet of our level of awareness through to the other side of this 
problem. In tact. So what happened in the past meant the planet was just 
gone. But the Sirians kept looking through time and space for a solution. 
Eventually they found somebody somewhere not in this galaxy conceived an 
idea that might work but it had never, never been tried before. And even 
then they didn't know if it would work because humans have fee will and can 
take any turn any  time and go in any direction. So they assumed it would 
work. The Sirians then created a vehicle 50 miles long, cigar shaped, 
colored black.  It had silicon-carbon based life forms blended together so 
the whole thing was a self-aware living unit. The crew 350 men and women 
from the white Sirian race from the third planet out. They wore white 
uniforms with gold emblems. 
And they dedicated as much time to this project as was necessary. They also 
made 8 little flying saucer shaped vehicles which were robotic, unmanned, 
12-20 feet across. 
They got all this stuff together and worked out all the possibilities and 
just set it aside. 
And waited. 
 What was happening on the earth level at that time is I was lead to 
go to Canada to meet a man named David Suzuki. It was a whole secret 
connection then that was made. He is a very disciplined man in many 
different fields. David won the Nobel Prize in Genetics.  Not by looking 
through a microscope but by looking out into the stars. He believed "as 
above, so below." He watched asteroids as they broke off and moved around 
the solar system. So he hired some people to watch the movements of the 
asteroids. Anyway one of the things he had going was he had a team of 
people watching the sun all the time. They in 1950 they noticed a phenomena 
never recorded before in human history. Spiraling light and went past the 
earth very rapidly.  At the earth's axis there is the precession of the 
equinoxes which takes place every 24,000 years. But there is the Chandler 
wobble every 14 months and is 72 feet. There is one very 14 years. During 
one of these wobbles the earth began to deviate from its path around the 
central sun. [Alcyeon in the Western astrology and Revati in Hindu 
astrology.] At this time we were at about the furtherest point away from 
the central sun. The area of the wobble began to open. Which is the 
equivalent of a top slowing down. It took them another 14 years of study 
before they were certain this wobble would lead to a new north and south 
pole. And David Suzuki was not into Edgar Cayce or any of that. He was a 
scientist.  An interesting note though, Cayce predicted this wobble would 
go 16 degrees into Russia, and with their computers calculating everything 
they knew, there was a spot about 15.75 from a spot where Cayce said it 
would be. The difference was so small it was amazing. And so by 1964 they 
were pretty certain of this. They took 4 more years to watch and study to 
make sure this even was going to happen. He wrote a paper and sent it out 
to all the major governments in the world that we were going to have a new 
north and south pole. 
  He put it in his paper that the sun spiral was coming off the sun like 
clockwork every three years. Only it was increasing in intensity. After 
studying this for 18 years he said by 1072 it would be so great it would do 
something never done before. They didn't say exactly what. Then another one 
in 1984 and after that one we would probably have a new north and south 
pole. The actual event happened in August of 1972. The explosion happened. 
The biggest thing that has ever happened, ever. The solar wind got up to 
2-1/2 million miles per hour for 3 days. And it dropped down to 1-1/2 
million MPH for 30 days. It was published in all the major scientific 
publications and a conference was called of scientists where David 
announced his findings. All major newspapers of the world reported it. This 
publicity went of for a six months and then suddenly nothing was ever heard 
about it again. There was a total world wide black out. No one discussed it 
anymore and couldn't find out anything more about it. 
 If the Sirians had not have acted, that explosion would have killed 
us. But what really happened, and here is where it gets difficult, there 
was going to be a pulse come out of the sun which would have expanded to 
Jupiter. If we were prepared for this there would be no problem. We could 
just tune to it and it would be beautiful.  And the other planets are 
having no problem with it but earth being where we're at and having this 
situation of being down here in the middle of no-man's land in 
consciousness, we were unable to protect ourselves. So what was happening 
on another dimensional level was the 144,000 beings from all over the 
universe of different cultures planning on coming in here to assist, by the 
middle of January of 1972, about 80,000 of them were here, they had what 
you might call an intense discussion over this subject. Some were very 
upset over it. The result was that 79,800 of the cultures said there's no 
hope. Not a prayer. There's nothing we could do. They packed up and went 
home, leaving us to die. 100 of those remaining believe there was something 
they could do. They were the Acturians, Aldeberons and a whole spectrum of 
life decided to stick with the Sirians. (The other 100 were Sirians and 
Pleiadians.) They were not going to give up. They were going to stay there 
and help. 
So the Sirians had the hardware and software in place and ambassadors ready 
to go and everything. The moment the group said there's no hope, they sent 
the ambassadors to Galactic Command. And they asked permission to do an 
experiment on earth. If there was gong to be anyone at all who was going to 
survive the explosion from the sun, they could not have gotten permission. 
Even if one and man and one woman were have survived this they would have 
said no. But because nobody was going to survive it and it was going to be 
a dead planet, they got permission for the experiment.  And the Galactic 
Command which was 48 members asked the Sirians, how many people do you 
think will survive this? They said we believe at least two will but not 
more than 10. 
 They went into operation immediately and in 30 days they had 
everything set up and turned on. They  placed the large cigar shaped object 
just outside the membrane of consciousness of the earth, which is 440, 000 
miles out, one overtone higher. And they placed it outside because they 
didn't want it to interfere because it was too powerful of an object. And 
around the earth the 8 little robot space ships were placed at the apexes 
of the star tetrahedron which surrounds the earth. [Every planet and in 
fact every living body, even animals and plants, have this star tetrahedron 
around them] [A tetrahedron is a four sided pyramid.] They were on one 
overtone higher so they were not seen. Then the Sirian ship shot in a been 
of laser light which contained billions of megabytes of information to the 
north  pole and it was 8 inches wide and traveled at the speed of light. If 
you could stop it you would see all these different colors of light in 
different segments. And it came in  the ship at the pole and then was 
separated into three primary rays. A red, blue and a green ray.  This went 
to the other three space ships at the three apexes of the north tetrahedron 
and also to the three apexes of the southern tetrahedron. Finally they went 
to the ship at the south pole which combined them and shot them down into 
the center of the earth.  Then by diffraction it came out in billions of 
tiny streams of light. It came out of the center of the earth and around 
the star tetrahedron of every human being on the earth. And the breathing 
animals. Then it went inside from the top of every human and animal. They 
had to protect us from the wall of flame. And also they had to prepare us 
to stand up to this wall of flame. So they created a holographic field 
around the earth and then they set up a holographic fiend around each 
person. And then they began to program into these holographic fields 
events. In the first few months they did not change anything. They were 
just getting control. And they were given this control from Galactic 
Command. This rarely ever happens. In essence, and this is going to be hard 
to accept, they took away free will. They had to for a little bit.  They 
first programed the skies that appeared out there. And kept everything 
going as if nothing was going on. And once they knew it was working they 
began to program events in your lives so you moved as rapidly as possible 
in evolution. So the actual events in your life would awaken you as fast as 
possible. For awhile they would put these events in your life. then they 
give you your fee will back and give you a choice of events. But if you 
chose the wrong one, they would just keep giving you the same choices over 
and over again until you picked the right one. 
 All I can say at this point is it was way more successful than 
anyone ever, ever, ever dreamed.Instead of ten people it went from 100 to 
1000 to 10,000 to a million and from a million to 10,000,000 and then 
1,000,000,000 and now it is certain everyone will make it through to the 
other level. This bought more time for the Grid to be completed around the 
earth. The Christ Consciousness Grid was completed Feb. 4th, 1989. No one 
could make it without that Grid. that has been established. Now what is 
happening is people are going to it. It is something no one from anywhere 
has ever seen. No one even suspected something like this was possible. The 
speed at which we are evolving. This Grid is based on dodecahedronal 
energy. When a planet goes into Christ Consciousness, there is a period of 
time where a few go through and make it. The rest drop down to a lower 
dimensional level for a long, long period of time. The few who made it 
gradually pull through the rest of the people until everybody finally makes 
it.  Then there are levels of Christ Consciousness, the 10th, 11th, and 
12th overtones, and there is a long time before the planet evolves into 
that.  You can tell where a planet is at in its evolution by looking at the 
Grid the same way you can look a a person's aura. The configuration of the 
geometric patterns change s more and more people enter the Grid. And those 
changes are rare. They usually happen over long periods of time: some times 
hundred of years or thousands of years. Now those changes are happening 
hourly the last time I checked. It's just going click, click, click. 
And that has attracted the attention of everybody everywhere. t first  it 
was people going, "Look at that!."  And pretty soon everybody was coming in 
here and pretty soon it was spreading everywhere. We are on 
interdimensional intergalactic TV. Everyone is watching this one little 
point. Which is interesting because I don't know if in history all life 
everywhere has been focused on a single point. That  in itself is having an 
effect. 
I asked THOTH to give me an apology of what is going on. So he said it is 
like you have a baby coming out and in 15 minutes goes up to an adult. 
That's the kind of speed we are moving at that no one has ever seen before. 
The reason everybody is watching besides it is a miracle and has never 
happened before, but they know if it happens here they can take it back to 
their home planet and use it there. It is going to effect all life 
everywhere in a really dramatic way.  People now suspect that this 
experiment that has never been tried before was in the mind of God from the 
very beginning. All we know is there are no memory patterns of anyone on 
any level even Melchizedek or any one else that knows anything about this. 
This is unique. And this is very big. It's not  just our little planet down 
here doing this. 
 This brings us to the secret government and their part in all this. 
Generally speaking the Secret Government  is made up of the 2000 richest 
people in the world. You can call them the trilateral commission, or 
illuminati, or whatever you want, but they've been controlling our 
governments for a long time. And back in the 30's and maybe sooner, the 
Greys made contact with our government. Originally I thought this was in 
the 40's and 50s, but it is increasingly becoming apparent it was further 
back. And  so this is basically the One World Government who controls 
everything; who gets elected when and where; when there is a war and when 
there isn't; when a country runs out of food; when the money goes up and 
when it goes down; everything is almost totally controlled by these people. 
They can't control natural disasters and things like that, but they can 
control a lot. When you talk about them so you almost simultaneously have 
to talk about the greys. The greys connected with them some time ago, 
whenever it was. At least by the 30s. Because when they started the 
Philadelphia experiment, Tesla said from the beginning he was getting his 
information from the greys. In the beginning the gov't thought the greys 
were the good guys. And that is why they gave permission to do experiments 
on humans in exchange for technology. In 1968 Nobel Prize winning scientist 
David Suzuki told the world we were about to be faced with a new north and 
south pole. What that meant to the secret government was that every 
building would be leveled, except on certain pivotal point areas. So it 
wouldn't be a good idea to be on the planet. The secret government decided 
to leave. By 1970 they joined United States and Russia together. We've been 
really functioning as one country for a long time. They got the technology 
from the greys and did not give it to us. They kept it for themselves. Our 
gov't is so far advanced in technology you wouldn't believe where they are 
right now. They have had UFOs for a long time now; and have been using 
them. They are way, way beyond where you think NASA is.  And  they don't 
want us to know. They took these two countries and grey technology and 
created vehicles so they could leave this world before this shift could 
happen. They went to the moon first as a satellite to go deeper into space. 
They built three bubble cities on the dark side of the moon. One of them 
collapsed in an accident and hurt a lot of people. Most people if you asked 
them would say we have been to the moon about 6 times. But the record shows 
we have been there over 2000 times. And once they built enough up there, 
stored enough materials, etc., they went into space. And where do you think 
they went? Mars. Right; they went back home. They built tremendous 
underground cities there. And once they were in these cities for themselves 
and a few friends, they wanted to save their own ass and didn't care about 
anybody else. Most of it was built before 1984. They thought they really 
had it made. At that time , anybody engaged in research that was 
technologically advanced, such as I was, they would stop you from doing it 
with a gag order, which happened to several people I know, because they 
didn't want anybody else in on it. Or if they couldn't stop you they would 
just get rid of you. They didn't want anybody knowing what they were doing.
 
And once they got all this set up and sitting very smugly, approximately 
1988, they made a shocking discovery. It's not just the earth that is going 
through the shift, it is all the planets, including Mars. That was a heavy 
blow to them because they can't really leave the solar system yet. Their 
ships aren't strong enough. Then 9 months later they found it is not just a 
physical change it is a consciousness and dimensional change that is going 
on here. And then they realized the only way they could survive is through 
this thing called Love. All people being connected together.  This is the 
same situation they were faced with in Atlantis but they ignored it. Only 
if they could ever find an answer out of this they would, I tell you. But 
at this point they have made an about change because they know they can't 
survive on their own so people who like me have a possible answer they're 
leaving alone. Like people I know who couldn't get a lot of money to do 
research in this area are now getting a lot of money. Doors are opening up 
to them. 
 This stuff going on about Richard Hoagland [Mars Mission]: NASA 
doesn't want us to know anything about Mars. They don't want us to see any 
pictures of it which show the signs of civilization, past or present. NASA 
is doing everything they can to stop this guy. He is too well known and has 
too many people for them to really stop him. 
 But at this point it is all changing. They are now realizing from 
races of beings, Galactic Command, and others that if they are going to 
survive we ALL have to survive. Love was the answer. So that is the story 
of what is going on about that. 
End of session. For further information cantact The Flower of Life 
http://www.folr.org/ 
==================================== 
=========
 
Jon Locke 
The Philosopher's Stone 
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/ 
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 05:43:50 -0800 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: The Seeker 
Message-ID: <3343B416.43DAATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
The Seeker 
 
 From birth only knowing the need to find the answer to the Unspoken 
Question. In 
maturity did The Seeker search for what was already known. 
 And The Seeker questioned friends and friends of friends, teachers and 
family and 
The Seeker saw they had forgotten the question. 
 Like tumultuous mice those who knew religion told of law and myth. 
Because they were 
empty of depth they spoke only of their own uncertainties. 
 The Seeker sought elsewhere. 
 The way of the Wyrd offered ritual and superstition. Because they were 
frightened of 
shadows they offered only the weakness of their own spirits. 
 The Seeker sought elsewhere. 
 Searching through the forgotten paths of discarded ideas The Seeker 
found the mad. 
Looking at what The Seeker was not, the mad offered answers to questions 
beyond 
sense. Seeing the intricacy of complexity and a mind unsettled the 
Seeker knew this 
to be the parasite shadow of truth. But no answer was here. 
 The Seeker sought elsewhere.
 
What happens to The Seeker? 
The complete story is at 
the ARC website 
 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/seeker.html 
thought it might inspire 
our many Kundalites 
as it has a happy ending 
as all such journeys do . . .
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster 
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:05:44 -0800 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Wot no web page? 
Message-ID: <334429B8.7E55ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
Hi Kundalites,
 
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some of us have to earn money, 
provide a service, 
or promote a message 
Well the only WEB PAGE DESIGN SERVICE 
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Though what little wisdom I have is free 
this sadly is not 
have a look though 
Tell WEB 3 you are a kundalite and your price 
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in fact you can suggest your own - you lucky people.
 
A One to One "create your own Web Page" 
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Most Kind Regards 
Lobster
 
  
 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*  WEB 3 
 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/w3.html 
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:18:54 -0500 (EST) 
From: DouglasMFATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. 
Message-ID: <970403131847_513128747ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
 
I want to know what the rest of the people in this group think about 
this...as some of this seems to get a bit deep in parts.
 
the final peace completes the whole 
-doug 
Date: 03 Apr 97 13:24:59 EST 
From: Michael Yoshpa <74657.3001ATnospamCompuServe.com> 
To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Question for Tom Aston 
Message-ID: <970403182458_74657.3001_BHW40-1ATnospamCompuServe.COM>
 
Dear Tom, 
With all this discussion going on celibacy and sexuality, I would like to ask 
you a few questions (please, pardon any terminologic incongruencies): 
1. What do you think about so-called Tantric sex ot Taoist sex (Margo Anand, 
Mantak Chia, etc.)? To me it looks (and feels) like yet another way of awakenig 
Kundalini and, possibly, reaching the enlightment by practicing sexual yoga.  
2. Why none of the tantric texts, that I know of, ever explicitly mentiones any 
sexual yogic practices per se?  
3. Is energy being lost even in case of internal orgasm (no ejaculation while 
pressing on perineum), or in case of full-body orgasm (no ejaculation while 
mentally drawing orgasmic energy to the crown chakra, opening it and 
connecting...)?  
4. What is your opinion on the whole matter? Please do not be brief, take your 
time, since this is a very important topic for me. I have been involved in 
sexual yoga for quite some time now...
 
If anyone else have an opinion on the above matter, please share it!
 
thanks, 
MMY 
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:03:58 EST 
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re; Big Trees 
Message-Id: <9704031903.AA15274ATnospamsuperaje.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Ken McFarland wrote to Lobster: 
"....right brain not functioning...can't feel warm fuzzies....have problem 
with the God concept......"
 
Dear Ken; 
You seem to have a good start on your spiritual journey..these doubts, in 
the ability to love all and even in the existence of God are a major part of 
spiritual awakening I have come to believe (and this is only me talking ie> 
I don't know much of anything). 
If we all were certain beyond all doubt we loved everyone and everything and 
could feel it to our core....and had not one inkling of a doubt in the 
existence of God or Higher Power.....well then none of us would be down here 
in these human forms (and be careful of those who say they doubt 
nothing....delusional....in my opinion...now that's just my opinion). 
Doubt is part of believing...without it...just a bunch of spiritual drones 
(did you SEE the faces of the Heaven's gate people just before they offed 
themselves....ahem..sorry...went to meet the spaceship behind Hale Bopp). 
What is God you ask of others on this list? 
The beginning of God may have been that peaceful feeling as you meditated in 
the tree. "knock and the door shall be open".....keep looking Ken....I think 
your're on the right track... 
a lighthearted traveller 
Mo :-) 
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:37:58 -0800 (PST) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: Michael Yoshpa <74657.3001ATnospamCompuServe.com>, 
 "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Question for Tom Aston 
Message-Id: <199704031937.LAA02357ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 01:24 PM 4/3/97 EST, Michael Yoshpa wrote: 
>Dear Tom, 
>With all this discussion going on celibacy and sexuality, I would like to ask 
>you a few questions (please, pardon any terminologic incongruencies): 
>1. What do you think about so-called Tantric sex ot Taoist sex (Margo Anand, 
>Mantak Chia, etc.)? To me it looks (and feels) like yet another way of awakenig 
>Kundalini and, possibly, reaching the enlightment by practicing sexual yoga.  
>2. Why none of the tantric texts, that I know of, ever explicitly mentiones any 
>sexual yogic practices per se?  
>3. Is energy being lost even in case of internal orgasm (no ejaculation while 
>pressing on perineum), or in case of full-body orgasm (no ejaculation while 
>mentally drawing orgasmic energy to the crown chakra, opening it and 
>connecting...)?  
>4. What is your opinion on the whole matter? Please do not be brief, take your 
>time, since this is a very important topic for me. I have been involved in 
>sexual yoga for quite some time now... 
> 
>If anyone else have an opinion on the above matter, please share it! 
> 
>thanks, 
>MMY 
> 
> 
I was going to post this. It's fairly close to the topic:
 
>> The strongest energy exchange, hence the greatest samskara exchange 
> >is ...sex. 
> > That is the lost explination as to why it is best for two moral virgins, 
> > devoted to spiritual development, to marry and remain true to each other for 
> > the rest of their lives. 
 
 
>I really agree with this from an empath's energy. We are wide open 
>during sex. The fewer sexual partners the better, and they have to be 
>pretty clear and clean or we deal with their emotional "dirt" entering 
>into our second chakra.
 
This exchange goes to the very top of my Suspicions Confirmed File.  Thanks, 
you guys.  I needed that.  Where else can I possibly get confirmation of my 
experiences, validation of it, information, etc.  I had a thought wondering 
if the whole condom use due to AIDS behaviors might not have a beneficial 
side effect in that fewer women are taking in their partner's semen. 
Because of less semen, there might be less  
 
>emotional "dirt" entering into our second chakra. 
  
 ????
 
So many theories about woman's role in enlightenment and man's role in 
agression and competition add to my thoughts about "a beneficial side 
effect" of condom use to our species...aiding the evolution of the general 
population as women are less impacted with the physical essence of male 
aggressive energy and "emotional dirt" etc. and therefore . . . 
 
Does this make sense (albeit weird sense) to anyone else?
 
M 
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:01:12 -0500 (EST) 
From: HawwunATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Question for Tom Aston 
Message-ID: <970403145738_854890940ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
 
In a message dated 97-04-03 13:30:04 EST, you write:
 
<< Dear Tom, 
 With all this discussion going on celibacy and sexuality, I would like to 
ask 
 you a few questions (please, pardon any terminologic incongruencies): 
 1. What do you think about so-called Tantric sex ot Taoist sex (Margo Anand, 
 Mantak Chia, etc.)? To me it looks (and feels) like yet another way of 
awakenig 
 Kundalini and, possibly, reaching the enlightment by practicing sexual yoga.
 
 2. Why none of the tantric texts, that I know of, ever explicitly mentiones 
any 
 sexual yogic practices per se?  
 3. Is energy being lost even in case of internal orgasm (no ejaculation 
while 
 pressing on perineum), or in case of full-body orgasm (no ejaculation while 
 mentally drawing orgasmic energy to the crown chakra, opening it and 
 connecting...)?  
 4. What is your opinion on the whole matter? Please do not be brief, take 
your 
 time, since this is a very important topic for me. I have been involved in 
 sexual yoga for quite some time now... 
  
 If anyone else have an opinion on the above matter, please share it! 
  
 thanks, 
 MMY >>
 
i am not sure if this is really what you are asking for but i really want to 
share it coz i have been unsure about the whole thing...
 
i am not 'DISCIPLINED" in kundalini or tantra but i am 'now and always have 
been' an EMPATH. i could always sense and feel what another person was 
feeling... anyway, for about 5 years this "expert" in tantra, tantric sex, 
healer, high priest had been letting me know he wanted to go to bed with me. 
after several months after being dumped by my ex, i consented. 
 
sex with "regular folks" (people not trained or skilled in the esoteric & 
arcana arts at all much less even know what it means) was usually intense due 
to their interest, and a feeling of rushing energy through the chakras, 
etc... 
 
sex with this degreed high priest expert who also professed to love me I FELT 
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but the physical act, period. major letdown, no "tingles" 
and here i am being asked what it's like to make love with a tantric master. 
 
HMMMMMMMM. in answer to that question and what i THINK i know about tantra,l 
I still don't know what it's like to make love with a tantric master. i think 
i should have FELT a whole lot more... am i right?
 
nan <---with the story off her chest.
 
 
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