1997/03/27  12:27  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #126 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 126
 
Today's Topics: 
  Astrology Windows for K-Activity/Awakening 
  Caucasian Yoga 
  Astrology & K 
  Re: Astrology & K 
  test Delete 
  Unidentified subject! 
  Connecting to your Higher Self by Drunvalo 
  Re: Astrology Windows for K-Activity/Awakening 
  Unidentified subject! 
  t'ai chi 
  t'ai chi 
  Unidentified subject! 
  Re: Unidentified subject! - nan's friend... 
  Is OBE being stopped by K or something else? 
  Re: Need some help- to Tyrone 
  Re: God save us, cult suicides 
  Re: God save us, cult suicides 
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:58:49 -0500 (EST) 
From: TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com 
To: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Astrology Windows for K-Activity/Awakening 
Message-ID: <970326215847_773319237ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
 
Hey Dan....
 
WOW.... lots happening in that chart of yours!  It's no wonder you're K is 
having a great time.
 
The major window I see for awakening of your Kundalini began approximately 3 
years ago - it was a 3 year aspect, and peaked approximately 1-1/2 years ago. 
 At some point during those 3 years, your K would be activated.  This aspect 
only occurs once every 360 years, so you can see that it won't always happen 
in everyones lifetime.   I had the exact same aspect in my chart when my K 
was awakened.   This aspect (Progressed Sun conjunct your Natal Venus) would 
bring to you a great love, a true soul union, either in the way of a 
spontaneous K-rising or a physical relationship, or both.  
 
That particular aspect passed a couple of months ago, so now to other things 
going on in your chart..... You have so many windows going on now in your 
chart for K, it's no wonder you are going through what you are! 
 
Right now in your chart, your Progressed Moon has been conjunct your Natal 
Jupiter for the last month.  It is a very positive transit and gives you 
great feelings of love and the desire to give.  This only occurs every 29.5 
years.  This is a 3-month aspect & began approximately a month ago.   All of 
your feelings & emotions would be benefited wonderfully from this aspect. 
 This is a K window for bringing about great feelings of love and oneness.  I 
haven't done enough research to know if this would activate a first-time 
K-awakening.  But for one who is already awakened, yep, it would bring some 
great things to the forefront once again.
 
Approximately 2-1/2 months ago, your Progressed Moon was conjunct your 
Progressed Sun  (another once every 29.5 years) - It was a 3-month transit 
(estimating Dec./Jan./Feb.).  Your unconscious would be brought forth to your 
consciousness with this transit.  This window would open your K to activity, 
once again to one that has been awakened, or to one that has been disiplined 
for awhile in trying to open their K.  
 
Now, some more good news!  In approximately 1-1/2 years, another window is 
opening!  (Bless your wife's/honey's heart)... Your Progressed Sun will be 
conjunct your Natal Jupiter (again, only occurs every 360 years!).  This will 
be a 3-year (!) aspect.  And a fantastic one - a grand window for your K.  I 
really cannot say what will occur, but whatever it is, it will be wonderful! 
 I would love to have this in my lifetime.  
 
And one more thing is going on in your regular chart -- Transiting Neptune 
(up in the sky now) is conjunct your Natal Jupiter - it is a 2-year transit 
and began the beginning of Feb. 1997 and will run through Jan. 1999.  WOW - 
this only occurs every 167 years.  As Robert Hand states it so well in his 
"Planets in Transit" book: 
************ 
****************** 
NEPTUNE CONJUNCT JUPITER 
'This is one of the most idealistic times in your life.  This transit arouses 
your natural sympathies for others & makes you want to help them.  You may 
help some person close to you who needs assistance, or you may work with sick 
and disadvantaged persons in an institutional setting or with charities that 
aid such people.  
 
This transit may also motivate you to work in some other way to actualize 
your ideals.  Now is not enough to simply believe in something, you want to 
make your beliefs come true as well.  But you may tend to believe that what 
you want to be true is true, even when it isn't.  DO NOT GET CARRIED AWAY BY 
YOUR IDEALISM.
 
Under this transit, you may also begin to take an interest in philosophy & 
religion.  You are very concerned now about how you fit into the universal 
order, & you are more inclined to deal with abstract issues & how they relate 
to your life. In fact, you may not want to bother with the everyday aspects 
of life, feeling that they are beneath your concern.  Needless to say, that 
attitude can get you into trouble.  Nevertheless, if you can keep track of 
life's daily requirements, you will also be able to gain insights into your 
life that will make it much more meaningful.
 
There is another side to this transit also.  It can give you a foolist 
confidence that anything you will do will work out all right.  As a result, 
you may take risks & gambles or actually indulge in gambling.  This is not an 
especially lucky or unlucky transit.  All it does is make you confuse your 
wishes with reality and make you act according to your wishes.  It is not a 
good time to make long-term investments, because you are seeing the world 
thru rose-colored glasses and are unwilling to look at business affairs in 
the cold, hard manner that is required.  In fact, you can easily be swindled 
by anyone who appeals to your innermost wishes & desires.  
 
Use this transit to gain insights into your life, but do not try to advance 
your material interests, for you are not likely to be successful. 
************ 
****************** 
Dan, with all of these transits combined - Whoa!  What a wonderful time you 
must be having getting to know the other side.  I wrote the above transit out 
in detail, as this is occuring right now and for the next couple of years - 
Robert Hand is the best with his advice he gives during these transits.
 
Would you send me your approximate dates (from-to) of K-awakening and 
K-activity for my research?  I sure would appreciate it.
 
Enjoy the ride, and stay in the moment the best you can!
 
Lotsa Love to you, 
xxxtg 
"Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change." 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 03:50:43 GMT 
From: tyrone.waltonATnospamhhbbs.com (Tyrone Walton) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Caucasian Yoga 
Message-Id: <859434643ATnospamhhbbs.com>
 
Does anyone know of any writing on Caucasian Yoga? Or have read the 
book: A System of Caucasian Yoga? By Count Stephan Colonna. Looking for 
sources  and references for this system of yoga.
 
Or are any list members from the Caucasus, Elburz, or Paropamisus 
mountain ranges? And does anyone know the mantras for the hand centers. 
Thanks. 
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:11:10 -0500 (EST) 
From: TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com 
To: invitroATnospamihug.co.nz 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Astrology & K 
Message-ID: <970326231108_1151629232ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
 
Peter,
 
Let me ask you a couple of questions first.... Since I was unable to find any 
astrology books on Windows for K-Awakenings or Activity, I've made up my own 
research from my experiences and others.  Would love to have more people for 
my research, so I am more than glad to help you and any K-List members out 
with a chart!
 
.  Have you had a Kundalini Awakening yet?
 
.  Any mystical experiences?
 
Being this is my own research, I have found several windows for a K-Awakening 
and K-Activity after awakening.  Should I not find any in your chart for now, 
in the past, or in the next several years, please know that that does not 
mean this will not occur for you.  I am sure there are many many windows of 
opportunity that I have yet to find!  That's what this research is all about 
- to take this opportunity we see coming up, and discipline ourselves for it, 
via yoga, meditation, spiritual studies, etc. etc. 
 
Would also be interested in those that have already had mystical/yogi 
experiences and K activity to look at your chart for my research.  I would 
need dates of your experiences, so that I can hopefully add more windows to 
my research.
 
What I've found for a couple of the windows, if you are not on any kind of 
spiritual pathway and are grounded here in this illusionary world, if one of 
these aspects come up, it may be in the way of an accident (which also may 
bring about a spontaneous K activity), or some form of separation in this 
physical world (divorce, death, loss of job, etc.).  BUT if you are on a 
disciplined spiritual pathway, you are in for a wild K-ride.   Each aspect 
would be different, letting you know what kind of wild ride you will have - 
whether it be a spiritual emergence type, bringing on psychosis, or a much 
lesser, much sought-after, spiritual integration.   
 
If we can be aware of these windows of opportunity, then we can hang on 
tight, know what is occurring, and wait until the ride is over.   With this 
awareness, we can be prepared for what may come and be a way of quickening 
the process.  Not only with the process of integration, but the process of 
knowing you are not crazy.   I knew something was going to occur in my chart 
when my K was activated, but I didn't know what.  And was not prepared. 
 Maybe we can help each other here. 
 
Take Care, 
xxxtg 
"Consciousness..... that annoying time between naps"
 
  
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:07:33 -0800 (PST) 
From: M  <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
To: TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com, invitroATnospamihug.co.nz 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Astrology & K 
Message-Id: <199703270507.VAA12028ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
#1 I LOVE your quotes! They crack me up in an AH AH way.  Are they original 
with you?  If not, where?
 
#2 I was so impressed with the public (to the list) chart you did for Dan 
that I am anxious to volunteer.  You need birth date and date of K 
awakening, right? Anything else?  I did have a psychotic break in the early 
70's I could guestimate the date of ...
 
RSVP 
 
or not
 
M
 
At 11:11 PM 3/26/97 -0500, TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com wrote: 
>Peter, 
> 
>Let me ask you a couple of questions first.... Since I was unable to find any 
>astrology books on Windows for K-Awakenings or Activity, I've made up my own 
>research from my experiences and others.  Would love to have more people for 
>my research, so I am more than glad to help you and any K-List members out 
>with a chart! 
> 
>.  Have you had a Kundalini Awakening yet? 
> 
>.  Any mystical experiences? 
> 
>Being this is my own research, I have found several windows for a K-Awakening 
>and K-Activity after awakening.  Should I not find any in your chart for now, 
>in the past, or in the next several years, please know that that does not 
>mean this will not occur for you.  I am sure there are many many windows of 
>opportunity that I have yet to find!  That's what this research is all about 
>- to take this opportunity we see coming up, and discipline ourselves for it, 
>via yoga, meditation, spiritual studies, etc. etc.  
> 
>Would also be interested in those that have already had mystical/yogi 
>experiences and K activity to look at your chart for my research.  I would 
>need dates of your experiences, so that I can hopefully add more windows to 
>my research. 
> 
>What I've found for a couple of the windows, if you are not on any kind of 
>spiritual pathway and are grounded here in this illusionary world, if one of 
>these aspects come up, it may be in the way of an accident (which also may 
>bring about a spontaneous K activity), or some form of separation in this 
>physical world (divorce, death, loss of job, etc.).  BUT if you are on a 
>disciplined spiritual pathway, you are in for a wild K-ride.   Each aspect 
>would be different, letting you know what kind of wild ride you will have - 
>whether it be a spiritual emergence type, bringing on psychosis, or a much 
>lesser, much sought-after, spiritual integration.    
> 
>If we can be aware of these windows of opportunity, then we can hang on 
>tight, know what is occurring, and wait until the ride is over.   With this 
>awareness, we can be prepared for what may come and be a way of quickening 
>the process.  Not only with the process of integration, but the process of 
>knowing you are not crazy.   I knew something was going to occur in my chart 
>when my K was activated, but I didn't know what.  And was not prepared. 
> Maybe we can help each other here.  
> 
>Take Care, 
>xxxtg 
>"Consciousness..... that annoying time between naps" 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 02:25:00 -0800 (PST) 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: test Delete 
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960326032845.0c677bb6ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
  Hello, I am a test...
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
 *******************  
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils. 
     -- Hector Louis Berlioz  
Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of something 
else anyway.     -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide review board  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 20:50:23 UT 
From: "Pamela " <Pamela_eATnospammsn.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Unidentified subject! 
Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199703262115430161ATnospammsn.com>
 
Lobster said: 
<snip> 
Yourself! 
Selfish or what? 
<snip>
 
Lobster, 
let me explain, I am not a professional healer or anything. I don't want to  
take the chance and do something that could possibly harm someone else.  I can  
 however, experiment on myself   !   
 : o )  
<snip> 
your hands and body consider Tai Chi or Qi Ong
 
<snip>
 
Funny you should mention that. I was drawn to this book at the book store. It  
was a book about Tai Chi. I have never been interested in it but I guess  
"myself" is trying to tell me something eh? So I bought it and I am going to  
try it out !
 
<snip> 
All along True Lovers have met  
Nowhere 
they are seen by each other 
<snip>
 
You're funny !
 
Pamela 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:
 
"True lovers don't meet somewhere 
 They are in each other all along." 
    ----------    RUMI 
 .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:49:11 -0500 (EST) 
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke) 
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net 
Subject: Connecting to your Higher Self by Drunvalo 
Message-Id: <v01530500af5fd46fda84ATnospam[206.155.203.217]> 
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CONNECTING TO YOUR HIGHER SELF. 
THESE ARE NOTES FROM THE FLOWER OF LIFE WORKSHOP BY DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK 
Before you should attempt to heal someone you should get permission from 
both your Higher Self and their Higher Self. Don't force it on anybody.In 
the beginning I would get about 50% yes on healing people. But the 
percentage has become less and less. That's is because they want people to 
heal themselves. There is no need to go ALL around healing people. More and 
more people are able to heal themselves now. 
Q. Do animals have a Higher Self? 
D. Yes. Dolphins exist on many Higher levels. 
Q. Should we project energy around the planet without getting permission? 
D. I wouldn't. I wouldn't  project energy anywhere without permission. I am 
just telling you what I do. That's all I can do is tell you what I do. 
Because basically we can't see down here what all is going on up there. 
Basically, we're like a whole bunch of blind people down here. We don't 
know what our energy is doing or what's happening. 
Here is the image the Higher Self gave me to give to you. It's like you are 
on a river rowing a boat. The river is your life, past present and future. 
You can't see beyond the next bend. But the Higher Self is like someone 
flying above and they can see where you are going. So you may be having fun 
and a really good time in your boat, but the Higher Self for example may 
see trouble around the next bend. So it says pull over. So if you follow 
your Higher spirit you will immediately pull over and carry your boat past 
the danger, even though it seems harder at the time. 
Q. You told us if we continue to meditate we will meet our Higher Self.How 
will we know when we meet our Higher Self? 
D. Some people are very visual, which is a male, left brain trait. Others 
are sound oriented, which is a female, right brain trait. Some people are 
very psychic. We all have different gifts. There is no way I could tell you 
exactly in which form you will meet your Higher Self. 
Now I'm going to talk about the most important part of this entire 
workshop. If you can make the connection with your Higher Self, you've just 
won the game of life. Because after that you won't need any more teachers. 
You may get more teachers because your Higher Self will tell you to go to 
certain teachers, but you won't need anything outside of yourSelf. You'll 
discover that God is within you and after that you don't need anything 
else. And what I am about to tell you will take great courage and 
tremendous discipline to do this. I'm going to give you a technique. It's 
not the only technique. I'm sure there are a lot of other techniques. But 
this is the one I was told and the one I did in order to make my connection 
with Higher Self. 
After you have got the merkaba meditation down so you have raised your 
consciousness and breath to the Christ Consciousness sphere, you write down 
a question you have for Higher Self. I can't tell you what to ask. that is 
up to you. But for example I asked, "What is it I can do for the greater 
good for me and the rest of the world. And at the same time would prove to 
me we have made a connection. " 
You are asking for a physical thing to go do. As a result of that action 
you would get physical proof you made connection with your Higher Self. 
Example: Suppose your Higher Self say to you, in one why or another, get in 
your car drive to Oklahoma City, park on 34th street and stand there. They 
are testing you too. They will never ask you to do anything morally wrong. 
If you get a message to do something wrong, don't do it. Through it away - 
it came from something else, not your Higher Self. But they might tell you 
to do something hard to do. 
Now suppose you go to O.K. City and stand on 34th street and someone comes 
up to you and says, "Hello. We've been waiting for you. Come with me." And 
they take you to this really wonderful, spiritual happening, then you know 
you have connected with your Higher Self. 
Another thing, if your Higher Self tells you to do something, don't go back 
and ask for something else. Complete the first assignment. It may take some 
time before you have confirmation, but wait. The test is to see if you will 
give up some of your own life and ideas to follow Higher guidance. 
Q. What if they ask you to physically harm someone? 
D. They won't do that. 
Q. What if they ask you to do something totally inconvient for you? 
D. "Totally inconvenient" does not mean anything to your Higher Self. They 
are you on a Higher level and they are telling you the wisest thing to do. 
In fact if you don't do it you will have to come back later and face the 
same situation. I have been doing this for 20 years and there is only one 
time I refused to do what they told me and they said O.K. but you will go 
through 10 years of pain and still end up in the same situation and have to 
make the same decision. And the is exactly what happened. 
Let me make this a little clearer now. You do the meditation and you go 
into the Christ Consciousness sphere and you then relax and breath for at 
least 15-30 minutes then you invoke the Higher Self. Say, would you please 
come in. It's possible nothing will happen because you may not be ready. 
Keep working and waiting. But if you will be open, it can come in any way 
imaginable. In my case two angels came into my room. With another guy three 
monks came in the room and started talking to him. The Higher Self has no 
form, but it may take form to talk to you. Or it could come as a voice in 
your head. Any voice, or your own voice. You may see colors flashing at 
you. These color have meaning. You could all at once want to pick up a 
pencil and start writing. That's a good one, THOTH says. It could be a deep 
feeling of intuition of what it is.  Who knows. But the one important thing 
it is for you to do, the moment you get your message, say Thank You and and 
come out of meditation as quickly as possible. One way to ground yourSelf 
immediately is to touch the floor with your fingers spread. Then write down 
the message on paper as fast as you can no matter what it sounds like. Sit 
back and wait a minute. Then pick up the paper. The ego may not like 
something in there and try to change it. So read it fast. 
Keep doing this and practice it and you will develop the connection. 
If you do this your life is going to change dramatically and very fast. 
#end of session. 
For more information you may contact theFlower of Life Home Page at 
http://www.folr.org/
 
May Peace, Love, Beauty, Truth, Harmony and Trust Exist throughout the 
Universe - Drunvalo 
Jon Locke 
The Philosopher's Stone 
http://www.voy.net/~voltron 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:07:13 -0500 
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Astrology Windows for K-Activity/Awakening 
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970327090713.0086e100ATnospamvrx.net> 
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At 09:58 PM 3/26/97 -0500, you wrote: 
>Hey Dan.... 
>WOW.... lots happening in that chart of yours!  It's no wonder you're K is 
>having a great time.
 
um, which Dan are you referring to? <blink> 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:30:36 -0500 (EST) 
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke) 
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net 
Subject: Unidentified subject! 
Message-Id: <v01530503af5fe83a80edATnospam[206.155.203.239]> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
More on the Hale-Bopp Heaven's Gate suicide. 
web page http://heavensgate.com/ 
is being bombarded with hits since it was announced on ABC television this 
morning. So if you can't get in this is what it says. 
They say their vehicles are only temporary (referring to their bodies). 
They are angels who will live forever. 
The comet Hale-Bopp is a space ship coming to get them. 
A picture of their space leader is show on the page. 
He looks like an alien (not  grey) with a bald head, light skin wearing a 
skin tight uniform. Named Ti. 
They say Ti is how a member of the Kingdom of Heaven might appear. 
They did not want to commit suicide but said they wanted to avoid what 
happened in Ruby Ridge and Waco. "There could be attempts to incarcerate us 
or subject us to physical torture." 
They said Hale Bopp "is the marker we've been waiting for; the arrival of 
the space craft that will take us home to their world." 
Another web site of theirs is http://www.highersource.com 
or http://www.highersource.viveca 
viveca is a Hindu goddess. This was brought out on the ABC TV News broad cast. 
If you can't get into their web site, you can go to http://www.cnn.com for 
the full media coverage.
 
May Peace, Love, Beauty, Truth, Harmony and Trust Exist throughout the 
Universe - Drunvalo 
Jon Locke 
The Philosopher's Stone 
http://www.voy.net/~voltron 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:34:03 -0600 
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: t'ai chi 
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:30:45 -0600 
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: t'ai chi 
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(sorry!)
 
>Funny you should mention that. I was drawn to this book at the book store. It 
>was a book about Tai Chi. I have never been interested in it but I guess 
>"myself" is trying to tell me something eh? So I bought it and I am going to 
>try it out !
 
Hi Pamela!
 
If you're looking to get started in t'ai chi, you should know that there 
are a very large amount of poor teachers out there, the easy majority--and 
unfortunately it's difficult for beginners to tell the good from the 
not-so-good.  Let me know if you decide to embark on this path (a very 
excellent one, imho--and from your descriptions, a very natural one for 
you), and if you like I can help you locate a teacher in your area that can 
give you something real.  I'll give a hint:  good teachers give 
"shaktipat."  :^)  I would also be more than happy to suggest useful 
books--again unfortunately, not-so-good teachers tend to write not-so-good 
books!
 
Sincerely,
 
Jim 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:25:36 +0100 
From: marivoATnospamworldnet.fr 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Unidentified subject! 
Message-Id: <199703271725.SAA19838ATnospamcentaure.worldnet.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Hi All,
 
Due to circumstances  
of genuine sentience 
what should be here is elsewhere 
trying to return 
luckly Easter as a time of Death 
and reamergence is here 
So Easter SUN SHINE 
to you all
 
Most Kind Easter Regards 
Lobster
 
Posted by Porcupine 
new cyber friend of Lobster  
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:38:11 -0500 (EST) 
From: HawwunATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! - nan's friend... 
Message-ID: <970327123811_-1504413998ATnospamemout15.mail.aol.com>
 
oh this reminds me... i was telling my friend lynn about my wonderful 
lists... 
 
we met, highly recommendd to each other not either of us knowing why, but the 
general manager of our company just knew we would hit it off.. we're both 
artists and designers and work in the design dept...
 
it seems that although i am a staid stable native of nashville, and she is 
from all over, we have pretty much arrived at the same point in our spiritual 
pathwork! we both realize this is no coincidence, our meeting... we also 
arrived to the same point via different studies... it is interesting to note 
this in particular.... i always say 'all paths lead to the center.'
 
one of our funnier coincidental commonalities is that we were both measured 
as genuis iqs when we were kids, but couldn't learn how to tell time, or 
couldn't do math, and were considered dumb...  her path goals were involving 
excellence while my path goals were focused on peace and happiness... and 
here we are at the same place... 
 
she is an awesomely talented person, and she is destined for great things...  
she said to tell my list friends she says hi! hehehe...  
luv, nan 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:45:44 -0500 (EST) 
From: LwMema3ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Is OBE being stopped by K or something else? 
Message-ID: <970327124543_-1068861180ATnospamemout09.mail.aol.com>
 
Beloved K friends, 
Recently I have been experiencing something new at night when I lay down to 
fall asleep.  It always feels like the beginning of an out of body expience, 
the lightness, the lifting, the tilting sensations of 'being on a rollar 
coaster' - these are all the things I have felt just before I have ever had 
an OBE in the past... but this is different.  I still have those sensations, 
but that is where it ends.  I have never tired to have and OBE- they have 
always been spontaneous, and in the past I have just gone with it and seen 
whatever I needed to learn and go where my guides led.  But now when these 
happen nightly and I relax and intend for it to happen if that is the best 
thing for me at the time, it just stops. As if there is a point where I am 
being stopped from going any further.  I do not know if this has anything to 
do with my K rising or if there is something more at 'work' here keeping me 
from leaving my body or not.  It is not upsetting to me but it does leave me 
with a sense of.... disappointment (I guess) because I know how great the 
expereince of an OBE can be.  I do not know what to make of it or if it is 
really nothing.  I would love any advice or thoughts from anyone. Any 
thoughts would be welcome.  If you are more comfortable talking about it in 
private feel free to email me directly.  Thanks so much! 
Light, Love and Healing energy to you all, 
Lori 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:19:21 -0500 (EST) 
From: LwMema3ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Need some help- to Tyrone 
Message-ID: <970327131921_-1906226652ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
 
Dear Tyrone, 
In a message dated 97-03-26 10:37:04 EST, you write:
 
<< You can also do energy scans with your hands. Try this on plants or 
 trees. While you are doing this be sure to observe the plant carefully. 
 What I mean is to concentrate on the form of the plant. While laying 
 hands on it. If your hands move let them. Let me know what happens if 
 you try this. As I'd like to hear another person opinion on this. 
  >> 
I know you were not asking for my opinion on this but it is something that I 
have done and still do.  I have a greenhouse and many plant (which will be 
soon going outside again for the wonderful warm weather approachinhg).  I did 
an experiment ofsorts with this energy technique on a plumeria plant.  It has 
a fork at the top after it bloomed a year ago and the two sides were growing 
in exact evenness with each other.  I focused the overwhelming energy in my 
hands with love nad healing onto one of these sides.  In two days I could see 
a change, it was growing faster and producing twice as many leaves as the 
other side.  Now, I can not say that it was caused my me, for sure, as I make 
no such claims, but I do feel that I may habe had a positive impact.  Once I 
had seen that I can help raise the energy and strength of my plants I spread 
the energy between them all when it is too much, it is better than just 
'being wasted' or overloading the electrical circuits of something...  
Anyway, I just thought you might be interested in some of my experiences. 
Light and Love, 
Lori 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:47:13 EST 
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: God save us, cult suicides 
Message-Id: <9703271847.AA03205ATnospamsuperaje.com> 
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Mistress Angelique wrote: 
"All this futile desperation waiting for mass landings to rescue us... 
Ascension at any price- no."  
Well said Mistress, we are all here for a purpose and must remember to keep 
our feet firmly planted on the ground while gazing into the heavens. 
Waiting for Anyone else or anything else..........don't go there! 
Blessing to everyone at Easter. 
a lighthearted Canadian traveller who has heard much about this cult misery 
in my country. 
Mo 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:50:42 -0500 (EST) 
From: VidentATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: God save us, cult suicides 
Message-ID: <970327135041_382789442ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
 
In a message dated 97-03-27 13:48:34 EST, you write:
 
<< we are all here for a purpose  >> 
They thought that was their purpose.  Let us not judge, but only wish them 
and their families peace.
 
 
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