1997/03/25 08:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #119
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 119
Today's Topics:
Re: reply to TA on healing advice
Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
Re: ego death, purification and kundalini driven emergence
[Fwd: Re: Face of Duality]
Re: ego death, purification and kundalini driven emergence
Re: ego death, purification and kundalini driven emergence
Kundalini vs. Ascension.
Re: Cobra Breath
Teachers & PAths in the US
Re: K vs Ascension
Re: Holographic Dan-G effect on K list--Thanks
Re: Kundalini vs. Ascension.
Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
Re: Teachers & PAths in the US
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:44:36 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: reply to TA on healing advice
Message-ID: <333703D4.6E1FATnospambest.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
> Hi Morgana,
>
> have done some healing myself based on vertebrae, chakras and meridians,
> but nothing as ambitious as this....i'd be out of my depth with this
> kind of disease, too deepseated and complex for my simple view of
> life....have you suggested that she take control of this situation and
> take the meditation deeper and perhaps combine it with martial arts
> or/and yoga and general purification techniques through diet, water etc
> - surely this will do much more than any amount of intervention by
> yourself no matter how well intended it is...or maybe you could just top
> up her own management of her situation ? i gave up trying to heal when i
> realised i was taking on some really bad karma and achieving very little
> in terms of making tangible impact on deepseated conditions...would be
> interested how you avoid picking up bad energy and poisons - i was
> regarding it as meditation, so no question of ego getting
> involved...just out of my depth spiritually speaking. have you read what
> Swami Radha says about healing in Kundalini Yoga for the West ? - raises
> some of these issues.
>
> Regards Yogi Tom
> --
> Tom Aston
Tom,
It's my requirement that they are in control of their healing process
and that the individuals with cancer follow a strict macrobiotic diet.
She's very, very clear and clean, that's not the issue.
I've been healing for years. I could "not" do it, but I have joy in
it and I'm extremely good at what I do. I generally empower my clients
and shift their beliefs so that they return to their natural state of
health.
What is "good" energy or "bad" energy? Energy is energy and karma isn't
cooties, you can't get it from another person. I ground really well when
I heal. Healing is a transformative experience for both myself and my
client.
It didn't used to be that way, when I was attached to a specific
result or touching my client physically, or moving my energy to them. I
often found myself moving out of balance. Now I just allow that we are
one, and remember the energy from a near-death experience and from
satori. A column of energy comes down through my crown, washing away all
of *our* imourities. I only pick up stuff when I'm not focused or too
ambitious, wanting a "result". My energy is self-regulating, I always
pop back into balance within a few days if I do pick up some of their
internalized ideas.
I haven't read that book for years, I don't recall what he said. I've
found that those who dismiss healing as a spiritual path haven't walked
the healer's path long enough to get past their own stuff that comes up.
Still looking for clues on this one, anyone else with a suggestion?
Morgana
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:41:14 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Anold Lloyd <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>, Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
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Dan Gahlinger (he of the committee) wrote:
> To everyone who has a problem with my sig: get over yourselves! I consider
> it a blatant showing of ego.
Well said Dan
Hopefully the egos concerned will adjust and diminish
> I am willing to alter my sig, to some extent. Suggestions are welcome.
Yipee . . .
suggestion:
1.
Desperate Dan
Seeking attention
but no ego
very enlightened (one of only 8)
Glory to Dan
2.
Very definetely enlightened
(not delusional)
cosmically aware
but completely unintegrated
suggestions welcome (on a postcard)
3.
I am Cosmic and Holy
Special and Divine
but hey
you're not
Teaching of how to attain available
4.
Dan Gahlinger (human paradox)
no ego available
(Yes I really am enlightened - accept it)
Come to me oh thou insignificant ones
etc.
etc.
Hope some of these are helpful Dan.
> Check out the new one below. There are some considerations: I know that I
> am awakened now, and enlightened, and in constant connection with "the
> collective". Some of you may not be able to accept this.
Sadly I feel you have missed some posts in which you were
widely accepted as God several steps removed - hope this is acceptable.
> But then you
> accept kundalini, and you execpt other things, you also accept the word of
> "bible thumpers" (nothing personal). So why is one persons beliefs (or
> knowledge) any less or greater valued, valuable, or valid than anyone elses?
Well said and on the basis of my acceptance of these
strange concepts
I accept you.
Hail Bopp
Hail Dan
Antaris where are you now?
> Well anyhow, being enlightened means being open to compromise. I am still
> integrating like crazy, getting hit by massive amounts of energy, and
> vibrational shifts. So I am still somewhat in a state of flux.
Yeah Dan - go with it ma man . . .
> The whole point to this sig is to let people know I've gone through this
> stuff, I'm used to it now, and whatever else the universe throws my way. So
> they will know one place they can ask more "advanced" questions or seek
> guidance and without judgement.
Oh Dan
advanced questions?
and what pray might they be?
A few examples please?
> Some day, hopefully, everyone will be where I have
> been, and beyond, that is, after all, the whole point to this stuff.
Been there Dan.
Done that.
You have hardly begun.
Many people have been through realisations like yours.
Peter Norton posted one of his enlightenment experiences
- it really is no big deal even though it seems wonderful, special
euphoric etc.
You are enlightened - OK - wonderful.
So what? It means nothing unless you can integrate and implement.
> awaken and enlighten everyone. By the indications I've seen on the list,
> this need from people is only growing. I am here simply to offer guidance
> if so asked.
Look Dan.
Make an estimation of the needs of people
and start providing guidance
- you are *really* sure you are enlightened? (silly lobster)
Seems like people constantly have to remind you how an intelligent
person
behaves - let alone an enlightened one.
Most Kind and Blessed Regards
The One, the Only
The truly wonderous
the grossly inflated
the irrelevant
the completely insignificant
Lobster
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:33:24 -0800
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ego death, purification and kundalini driven emergence
Message-ID: <33370F44.1DC2834FATnospamsirius.com>
Yogi Tom -
The article was absolutely wonderful. Thx for posting it. This bit in particular was
great to read (I've experienced a lot of this sort of thing and hadn't read many
descriptions of it):
> The transcendence experienced after kundalini awakening can rapidly take
> the yogi beyond identification with the ego consciousness rooted in the
> manipura or navel chakra, which is the cultural norm in Western culture,
> and so that he or she lets go of all his or her old emotinal,
> professional, intellectual and material attachments during the
> transitional phase between conditioned and unconditioned
> consciousness..the need to let go of everyone and everything.
>
> This may offend others, be labelled "asocial" and can also lead to the
> yogi following apparently inconsistent "out of character" behaviour,
> words and actions as usual values and expectations no longer have any
> meaning.
And best of luck with Silver Dawn Media.
Paul
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:20:21 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Face of Duality]
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:19:20 -0800
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To: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
Subject: Re: Face of Duality
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Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> I'm feeling a bit spaced out, so you'll have to bear with me.
Quite happy to Dan - up, up we go
> delusion doesnt last, this does. there is no evidence to the contrary in my
> case.
Doesn't last?
What you mean like the truth that the world is flat or round or
whatever it is at the moment?
No evidence?
OK humour me as I do you.
In the interests of impartiality and in keeping with your
enlightened capacity might you provide
evidence of why you are *not* enlightened.
I will then (in the interests of impartiality)
provide counter arguments to prove you are
Game?
> The only advice I can offer is to listen to that little voice inside you.
> your gut reaction or instinct. and listen to it carefully. those delusional
> people usually ignore their innerselves, and those voices. Those voices are
> usually trying to tell them there's something not quite right with the
> picture they're seeing, but are usually too dazzled by the "bright lights"
> to pay attention. They usually find out rather quickly though.
Good advice.
> selfishness is not part of the process I don't think.
Well think harder - it is no part of the process.
Tell us what you are certain about relating to this question
of kundalini.
> the process makes it
> more difficult to be negative or greedy. Why would you need to be selfish
> when there is more than you could possibly want or need? the "individual"
> no longer exists, except as part of the whole. Personally I would say that
> such a thing could be used to develop the awareness of others, and I think
> that would be a positive use.
Let's start with self awareness -
Are you aware of how others see you?
Might you be able to describe this?
> BTW: I don't find the euphoria addictive. I
> have more white energy than I know what to do with as well. Unlimited
> "power" if you like.
Any power that you do not know what to do with
is limited by that very fact.
> And nothing more that you want to do with it except
> spread it around. I have so much energy today, I'm practically floating. :)
Enjoy it whilst you can . . .
Whilst floating ask this:
what are the committees plans for Easter?
> >Would you be so kind as to provide us with details
> >of those who have attained to your status, were any of the 8
> >public teachers?
> They were large white balls of white energy. nuff said.
You mean sort of enlightened tinkerbells?
> I do not know who
> those others are in this reality/density. And it really doesn't matter. I
> doubt any of them are public teachers, but anything is possible.
Yes but it is not possible that your enlightenment is inconsequential?
It is not possible that you have nothing to teach until you have learnt?
It is not possible you can ground and guide others until you stop
floating?
Anything is possible?
Anything?
> We are each our own selves,
> even as part of the whole, or collective. It's like your hand being part of
> your body, different, yet, part. I brought my knowledge and experience, and
> inner self to the collective, as they brought theirs to me.
I take it these are manifestations of inner processes and
have no external reality?
Or perhaps they have names and addresses?
Or perhaps they are too vague to exist other than as lights?
Anyway Dan your enlightenment is fully accepted by me
and I am sure many people on the list are supportive of the
processes and experiences you are undergoing, floating or otherwise.
Take Care
Lobster
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:25:17 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
Subject: Re: ego death, purification and kundalini driven emergence
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In message <33370F44.1DC2834FATnospamsirius.com>, Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
writes
>Yogi Tom -
>
>The article was absolutely wonderful. Thx for posting it. This bit in particular
>was
>great to read (I've experienced a lot of this sort of thing and hadn't read many
>descriptions of it):
>
>> The transcendence experienced after kundalini awakening can rapidly take
>> the yogi beyond identification with the ego consciousness rooted in the
>> manipura or navel chakra, which is the cultural norm in Western culture,
>> and so that he or she lets go of all his or her old emotinal,
>> professional, intellectual and material attachments during the
>> transitional phase between conditioned and unconditioned
>> consciousness..the need to let go of everyone and everything.
>>
>> This may offend others, be labelled "asocial" and can also lead to the
>> yogi following apparently inconsistent "out of character" behaviour,
>> words and actions as usual values and expectations no longer have any
>> meaning.
>
>And best of luck with Silver Dawn Media.
>
>Paul
>
Hiya Paul, thx for encouragement, much appreciated. There's a short but
interesting passage in Krishna's account of kundalini experiences in
which he describes bewilderment in loss of old emotional attachments for
friends and family - feels like he can no longer love, until he gets
used to it and realsies he loves a much wider circle of people, all
equally, no longer rooted in individualistic consciousness and
attachment. apart from that, great shortage of sense of strangeness
movement up through the chakras can bring. literature always seemed
rather sanitised to me, when k. is so primal and raw at times and change
can be so rapid. and this is not the last you've heard of Silver dawn
media...oaks do from little acorns grow.. Regards Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:35:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ego death, purification and kundalini driven emergence
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:59:02 -0500 (EST)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini vs. Ascension.
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Allow me to ask the group a question. I have been asked by someone what the
difference is between Ascension and Kundalini Awakening?
Everyone has eternal life. Some just don't know it.
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:52:17 -0500
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Dennis Nord <norddenATnospamhsd.utc.com>
CC: Kundalini Posting <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Cobra Breath
Message-ID: <3336DB71.6CF9ATnospambridge.net>
> You have to spend
> $120 for a correspondance course to learn the technique. Is this a
> rip-off, or is the info really sacred and secret?
>
> Dennis Nord
> Unawakened (as yet) seeker
Hi Dennis,
The safest way to approach kundalini if you have the devotion and the
intellectual yearning.. is through a guru, that can give you shaktipat.
I received shaktipat from my guru, Gurumayi Chidvilasanda. She may be
having an intensive in May, if you want more information about this
meditation Master of the great lineage of Masters let me know.
In service of the ((light))
Lissette
>
>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:02:29 -0800 (PST)
From: derekATnospamanxst.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Teachers & PAths in the US
Message-Id: <199703250802.AAA21487ATnospamshellx.best.com>
My question is more related to teachers who say they teach Kundalini
meditation, and with just 2 teachers, I am curious about the differences.
( I am new here so I hope this is ok to discuss here, I did not see a FAQ
or anything that might attempt to explain this).
Although I am somewhat new to Kundalini Meditation, I am not new to
meditation. I did some reading, and decided I wanted to learn Kundalini
meditation. (Since I assume we all have our own teachers and/or taken classes
I do not consider the below comments to be trade secrets).
I first took a class from Shri Anandi Ma who was taught by
Shri Dhyanyogi Madhusudandasji. Her meditation was simple, first you take
50-100? quick shallow breaths, then for the meditation, while you breathe
in you say "OM" to yourself (first 3 times out loud), then while exhale you
count. One comment she said that really caught my attention was the learning
of the Chakras were an invention of the west. (This I took it she did not
teach them, or at least think they were important). I planned to take more
classed from her, and still might, but I did find annother teacher. (next)
Now I am taking a class from Ashok N. Srivastava, he is a student in the
lineage of Sri Nitayananda, Swammi Muktanda, Rudrananda and Shambhavananda.
Anyhow, my first 5 classes each week he taught me a new visualation that
seemed to build on the last. The last few was I still concentrate on my
breath, but I also visualize a gold beam into my third-eye Chakra down
inside to my heart. Navel (before it was my heart, before that one was
on my throat).
I am curious, is this popular teaching method? How does it continue?
(I am still taking classes from him, but this week he taught me nothing
new, no next step, I told him I was expecting one, he said that the
visualations were not important).
I live in San Jose, take classes in Mt. View (Santa Clara County, California)
At $12-$15 a class, I am trying to decide if I want to keep doing this
for the next 2 years. (He recently informed me that us students should
go to our classes on-going for years, a slight shocker for the price I am
paying, when I first signed up, it was a 6-week class, I assumed we'd learn
the basics (like he seemed to imply in the first class), then we could take
an occasional advance class. I used to goto other type of meditation classes
where there was a $5 optional donation, not a major difference
but it seemed to feel better, although I always donated, the fact it was
optional, made it feel less business-like and more spiritual.
I want to continue my practice (no mater what I will still meditate daily
on my own at home). Have some questions:
1) How often do others see thier teachers? Weekly?
2) did you learn new things weekly? Like what? Visualations? How often
did you learn a new one? What other things did you learn? (So far this
seems to be a major part of each class, and I did like it when it kept
additing to what the previous class.
2) How much do they pay weekly?
Perhaps I should not have expectations in what is taught, but it seemed
like my class was going somewhere for weeks and suddenly it stopped.
For now, since I am new here, I thought I would limit my post to my teachers,
I have some experiences, but I might share them in annother message,
just looking for some advice I guess on should I continue with my current
teacher, on others in the area, etc. (ok, call it a feeling, for weeks I
thought I found my teacher, now, perhaps I am too quick to judge, but
tonight I am having second thoughts). Thank you in advance for any replies.
--
Derek Beda
derekATnospamanxst.com
(408) 989-2596
Weekly Web Comics & Babylon 5's Alternate Universe: http://www.anxst.com/
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:06:10 GMT
From: tyrone.waltonATnospamhhbbs.com (Tyrone Walton)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K vs Ascension
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Jon, I would think a example of ascension is the one related in the
Bible. 2Kings 2:11-12. I think the key word here is "translation". Have
you ever had the feeling that your reality is becoming too real?
This happened to me in a small way. I was watching T.V. one night. When
a comercial for a local t.v. church came on. The subject of the next
program was angels. As I watched the ad,I started to notice(this is the
best I can discribe it). That things were becoming too real! It was as
if I had been raised up to another level of reality.
There was a frighting clarity to the preachers face. I would say the
important word here is "clarity"(to clarify: to make clear by removing
impurities,often by heating gently). A clarity that I never feel in my
day to day reality. Must be the state represented by the Taro card
Judgement(clarion: a medieval trumpet with a shrill "clear" tone.
Another example of this is in a book by Steven King. I've forgotten
which novel it is. It starts with someone getting into a car crash. Or
something, anyway the story has parts where the hero is raised or
translated to different levels of reality. Maybe someone on the list
knows the novel I'm talking about.
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:18:56 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Holographic Dan-G effect on K list--Thanks
Message-ID: <3337D0C0.DF0ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Dan Gahlinger gushed:
> Well I had my kundalini start last may, and 1.5 weeks ago had my awakening,
> sat. night I went into (through?) sunyata (with some much needed help and
> guidance, I'm not sure if you wish me to post your name, but you know who
> you are and i wish to thank you), and last night went through a black hole.
> All in all, I think that's enough for a while. I need a vacation, though it
> seems the universe has other plans for me for a while. Can I go home now?
> <snicker>
Please take the time to email the person
and see if they are aware of what you are going on about.
Before you go on vacation - BTW
can you empower the kundalini list
with as much white light as possible
- all of it would be the absolute minimum expected -
Before you go on vacation
completely
can you leave us with some of your wisdom
instead of the profundity of travelling
through nowhere.
Oh yes the universe has plans for you
and all you can do is float through black holes
like the dreaded kundalini junky
When are you going to get down to the
work of educating us
oh Enlightened one?
Earth calling . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (the expectant)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:43:17 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini vs. Ascension.
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Acsension I belive is when the soul rises above the material needs, and
recognizes what is realy real, what is realy important and is not concerned
with what is not. Ascension is an ongoing process that seems to take me
through different levels every day. When you recognize something new it is
beautiful like nothing material.
Although I have some great energy experiences, I'm not too sure what
Kundalini is exactly. I believe it is a trigger, like a super charger
that will ignite your energy to help complete your acsensioin and raise
your energy up through the Chakras to reside in samadhi. Then your
ascension is close to complete. Energy and kundalini all work in concert
with ascension.
The world is a beautiful place to reside. And life is an incredible
experience. To grow on your own like a flower in a way that no college
could teach. To move like the melody of the wind in an orchestra that is
not led but played through.
John Halonen
At 12:59 AM 3/25/97 -0500, Jon Locke wrote:
>Allow me to ask the group a question. I have been asked by someone what the
>difference is between Ascension and Kundalini Awakening?
>
>Everyone has eternal life. Some just don't know it.
>Jon Locke
>The Philosopher's Stone
>http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:46:01 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
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At 06:41 PM 3/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Well said Dan
>Hopefully the egos concerned will adjust and diminish
Lobster, <smile> you're my second most favourite person on this list.
because you make me laugh. I am beginning to think this laughter you
provide, the happiness, is just white energy in disguise. You hide behind
this so no one will know the "real" you, or that you never have to reveal it.
>Desperate Dan
>Seeking attention
>but no ego
>very enlightened (one of only 8)
>Glory to Dan
I'm not desperate, nor seeking attention, and it's 10 now (last I checked).
Ah heck, I'm not gonna keep count any more. Glory? I don't know the meaning
of that word, sorry.
>2.
>Very definetely enlightened
>(not delusional)
>cosmically aware
>but completely unintegrated
>suggestions welcome (on a postcard)
hey! I like this one... :) wonder how many postcards I'd get. could be fun.
>3.
<please take your bible thumping somewhere else>
>4.
>Dan Gahlinger (human paradox)
>no ego available
>(Yes I really am enlightened - accept it)
>Come to me oh thou insignificant ones
who said I was human? <blink> and I never said anyone was insignificant.
Not even the lobsters... :)
>Hope some of these are helpful Dan.
or at least, humorous.
>Sadly I feel you have missed some posts in which you were
>widely accepted as God several steps removed - hope this is acceptable.
sorry there is no god. I'm an atheist. get over it.
>Well said and on the basis of my acceptance of these
>strange concepts
>Antaris where are you now?
more senseless babbling...
>Oh Dan
>advanced questions?
>and what pray might they be?
>A few examples please?
more advanced meaning the questions that no one on this list has ever been
able to answer, since the LAST time I joined this list. Well, except our
yogi friend Tom, who has now taken care of this for everyone by posting a
rather long and detailed message answering just about all of these
questions for everyone to see. Read his post perhaps you'll get some ideas.
I am still having problems concentrating, the universe is causing my
integration to be a bit more intense than normal. ugh...
>Been there Dan.
>Done that.
>You have hardly begun.
>Many people have been through realisations like yours.
>Peter Norton posted one of his enlightenment experiences
>- it really is no big deal even though it seems wonderful, special
>So what? It means nothing unless you can integrate and implement.
this is an udnerstatement. many people? you mean all 8 of them? <teehee>
yes it is a big deal, its very important step. and you are right it does
mean nothing without the integration and implementation. I'm still working
on that. ugh...
>Look Dan.
>Make an estimation of the needs of people
>and start providing guidance
>- you are *really* sure you are enlightened? (silly lobster)
>Seems like people constantly have to remind you how an intelligent
>person >behaves - let alone an enlightened one.
I have no idea how many there are. I can't concentrate that well right now
to do such complex statistical calculations. and yes, I am sure. but not
integrated fully as yet. nah, they just seem to need to remind themselves
of how great they are and what a wonderful ego they have.
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:00:15 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Teachers & PAths in the US
Message-ID: <333820BF.5814ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hi Dereck,
> I want to continue my practice (no mater what I will still meditate daily
> on my own at home). Have some questions:
>
> 1) How often do others see thier teachers? Weekly?
Never
If at all possible
I guess it's a question of choosing to learn from everything
rather than paying money for priceless teachings to
under payed Gurus
> 2) did you learn new things weekly? Like what? Visualations? How often
> did you learn a new one? What other things did you learn? (So far this
> seems to be a major part of each class, and I did like it when it kept
> additing to what the previous class.
New things?
Yes daily in fact.
What?
Well that body and mind techniques can create
interesting side effects mostly pleasant
but the real work is to improve
to pay attention
to simplyfy
to enjoy.
Any technique is as good as the person applying it.
Sometimes I opened my eyes
and a vision known as reality - that somehow always seemed there
would appear . . .
> 2) How much do they pay weekly?
Most Gurus could not afford me
but I guess it varies
The highest price was giving up
my need to pay
and allow things to be paid for . . .
> Perhaps I should not have expectations in what is taught, but it seemed
> like my class was going somewhere for weeks and suddenly it stopped.
Funny most real progress is made when things stop
not when things happen . . .
Anyway welcome - your home practise and study will eventually give you
the discrimination to know the difference between the genuine
and the fruadalent in yourself.
We always find the Gurus we deserve . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
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