1997/03/12 15:43
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #93
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 93
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:06:56 -1000 (HST)
From: Ken McFarland <KenmATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>
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Hi Folks,
I am new to the list. I´ve been watching the discussion about the "Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon." I want to share with you that the source of this material is Lyall Watson´s book (1979): Lifetide: The Biology of the Unconscious, New York: Simon & Schuster (see pages 147-148). The phenomenon Watson describes was observed from 1952 to 1958 It occurred on the Japanese island of Koshima in the context of ongoing primate research with Japanese macaques (resus monkeys).
The Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon was speculation on the part of Watson. It all began when, in 1952, a young monkey name Imo discovered how to wash a sweet potatoe. She taught her peers and the youngsters taught their mothers. "By 1958, all the juveniles were washing dirty food, but the only adults over five years old to do so were the ones who learned by direct imitation from their children" (Watson, 1979, p. 147).
Masao Kawai, a senior researcher working on the original macaque project, director of the Primate Research Institute and chief editor of the journal Primates, was interview by Markus Possel and the three pertinent questions are as follows:
1. Is Kawai aware of any sweet potato washing or other shills that propagated more rapidly than would be expected by normal, individual, "pre-cultural" propagation?
Answer: No.
2. Is Kawai aware of the spontaneous and rapid spread of sweet potato washing from Koshima to groups of macaques on other islands and on the mainland?
Answer: Individual monkeys in other groups or in zoos may have accidentally learned washing behavior, but it hasn´t been observed anywhere on Koshima that washing behavior has spread to other group members.
3. Has Kawai heard any "anecdotes or bits of folklore" among his primatologist colleagues regarding rapid behavior propagation, and does he know of any contacts between Lyall Watson and his (Kawai´s) colleagues?
Answer: No. Kawai believes that the idea of telepathy may have been introduced by Western countries. (Possel & Amundson, 1996, p. 52)
Other References
M. Possel, & R. Amundson (1996). Senior researcher comments on the Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon in Japan. Skeptical Inquirer, 20(3), 51-52.
M. O´Hara (1985). Of myths and monkeys: A critical look at a theory of critical mass. Journal of Humanistic Psychology, 25(1), 61-78.
Ken.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 03:08:17 -0500 (EST)
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:01:20 -0800
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Hi,
Some people for reasons best left
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Sahtouris believes that Western science in the throes of a sweeping
transition "from mechanics to organics." In her book Gaia: The Human
Journey from Chaos to Cosmos, she talks about the need for a more
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this is a new list dealing with womens spirituality
from all traditions:
Get in there . . .
eg:
What do you mean by the feminine aspect of Elohim? Elohim is a
Hebrew noun, and a very interesting one in that it is composed
of a masc. sing. "El" a male god name and a plural ending which
is both masc and fem. So that a literal translation might be
goddesses and gods, though the translation usually given is male
singular.
For more about this stuff I suggest reading *The Hebrew Goddess*
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> The reasoning below is plausible. Even were it correct it remains
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> sought - by plausible reasoning for example - "to tie Allah's
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>
> I would be interested to hear from anyone who holds both of the
> following to be true:
>
> 1. Allah cannot change his mind....
> 2. Where Allah will not change his mind - it is because he is compelled
> not to do so by reasonings such as those below....
> 3. It is wholly known to those proffering reasonings such as those
> below what falls under 1. and what falls under 2.
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:22:03 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blood sugar.........
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In message <199703112154.NAA06276ATnospamf6.hotmail.com>, Joseph Miller
<joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> writes
>Colleen,
>
>A few comments on your post, based on experiences much like yours:
>
>>Hi, I have a question regarding the blood sugar or brain sugar being
>>used up from Kundalini. For the last week I have been extremely
>>lightheaded and dizzy and unable to function. This has also been
>>going on for the last 7 months since a spontaneous kundalini
>>awakening. When I get like this I have to eat fast so I don't faint.
>>Yesturday I was wondering if it was due to blood sugar going down
>>because I seem to feel like people who describe diabetes.
>
>I don't think blood sugar problems are what you're experiencing. I used to get
>that experience too. I was talking to my teacher about it and told him how
>happy I was (a product of the late 60s & early 70s, any high was good high), he
>said I shouldn't be happy or be having it, told me to fix it, how to fix it,
>and why.
>
>He said it was not K but prana (Chi or Ki if you prefer those terms) that rises
>to the brain. By rising out up from the trunk of the body it actually slows or
>stops the K process of rising because it is taking prana out of the body which
>is used there to "push" the K up to the brain.
>
>The fix is to apply the throat lock. If you don't know it you should be able to
>pick it up easily from reading the instructions in any good (hatha) yoga text.
>This lock keeps the prana in the body, stops the light headedness and has a
>more positive impact on the K.
>
>What you are experiencing may be different but it sounds exactly the same. If
>you try the lock and it works, that was what was happening. The throat lock
>will not keep K out of the brain, it will keep the prana that belongs in the
>trunk of the body out of the brain.
>
>>One thing I have found though is that I cannot handle any sugar (For
>>example: Chocolate, table sugar, cookies, ice cream, etc. -the
>>things that aren't good for me anyways.)
>
>You're right, they aren't good for the body and usually those and other "bad"
>foods are very bad for K process; preventing it if it hasn't started, often
>misdirecting it if it has. Simple advice, don't do it! (Full disclosure: this
>is a do as I suggest not as I do piece of advice.)
>
>>This also seems to occur with more intensisty during full moons, new
>>moons, and my own female cycle.
>
>Some of us are "moon children". I am. The full moon will send my process
>flying, even if I don't meditate. Does the same for the siddhis. Not true of
>new moons, mine is related to the power of the moon's force as a function of
>its brightness.
>
>Namaste,
>Joe
>
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This is really interesting - I went through this years ago and found
that I had to pay extraordinary care to my diet - both its purity and
how I actually ate it - have you heard of yogi munching ? Zen monks do
it too. You just eat the purest freshest wholesome food you can find or
that takes your fancy - fruit, nuts, grains, sprouted beans and seeds,
vegetables etc - and chew each mouthful 20-30 times or more as this
releases the prana so the whole body can absorb it. Don't think it will
be easy as kundalini's tastes can change without any apparent reason -
sometimes I wanted soya milk, sometimes fruit, sometimes nuts, sometimes
rice and lentils. Eating twice or three times a day didn't work - I
found it best to eat every three or four hours in modest amounts, but to
avoid eating just before sleeping. This stage of purification passes in
time and then one moves onto the more subtle levels and may well feel
the need for all kinds of purification methods such as intense yoga and
meditation.
Kundalini is extraordianry in its needs - it is like a child, forever
changing its mind, so the answer is to surround it with toys that it can
play with.
If you combine the pure diet with things like swimming and martial arts
or Oriental bodywork and walking meditation and refining your taste in
cultural areas - whatever you like such as music or literature - and
refining your relationships...and perhaps even thinking about celibacy
so as to offer kundalini your sexual energy as inner fuel for
transformation....well, extraordinary things can happen. This is the
holistic rollercoaster ride of a lifetime - don't think it stops with a
sugar problem !Hope something in this proves useful - ignore the
scientists they'll tie you in knots. Happy hunting.
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:31:39 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: kundalini - a celibate buddhist perspective
Message-ID: <FvM0BTA7ArJzEwO3ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Dear yogis, I am new to the list so here is a little about my experience
and background.
My kundalini was awakened when I received shaktipat in 1983 at the age
of 19 from Shri Shankarao Vidwans, a Gandhian yogi, ayurvedic doctor and
guru who lives in India and teaches Integral Yoga both for health and
spiritual enlightenment.
He draws on both Chinese/Japanese meridian theory and the chakras and
nadis of Indian traditions. He can also perform some of the siddhas one
would expect from a genuine Tantric guru.
Now, after 14 years of a rollercoaster ride through all the heavens and
hells I could imagine, I can finally say that the crown chakra is open,
the nectar has descended from heaven and my chakras are pretty clear and
balanced and most of my karma has cleared.
During my ride I have used all kinds of spiritual methods to try and
contain, harness and balance a force that was far bigger then "ME" -
ranging from classical hatha yoga to aikido, tai chi, kundalini yoga
techniques such as breath of fire, various sports, various diets etc etc
etc.
In the end though I had to just let go and sit Zen style and let the
shakti clean out my conditioning to the very core of my soul.
I have found that the benefits of celibacy are quite phenomenal if one
is prepared to weather the initial reluctance of one's mind to let go of
the old ways of desire.
It provides the fuel and energy that makes the purity and integrity of
Buddhism a practical possibility from moment to moment so that even the
smallest incidents and actions can become an opportunity for refining
and deepening one's awareness and spontaneity and whole being.
Of course, sitting and meditating is a bit like surfing in Hawaii - with
a force like kundalini the wipe out can be dramatic and even dangerous,
so I approached meditation by gradually reining in my awareness, senses,
sexuality etc and sublimating and integrating energies that had been
directed towards more worldly activities.
This took a long time and became a full-time practice, but it was truly
fascinating given the way the teachings of all kinds of religions
opened up once I was committed to not just enjoying the kundalini
experience, but actually allowing it to lead me upwards and perhaps one
day going beyond even kundalini......luckily I was financially secure
and had tasted enough of life to know that I was ripe for the ethereal
and paradoxical realms of the transcendental.
So the times of doubt, despair, loneliness etc were bearable...and I had
faith in the guru and the dharma. Even so, I would warn anyone thinking
of sublimating and integrating their sexuality and shakti not to do so
lightly, for the changes this brings can be quite extraordinary and may
well be misconstrued by others who know you well.
Having said that I have no regrets whatsoever, and times of sexual bliss
and union of the past now seem mundane and transient in a way I would
never have imagined at the time I was involved in sexual relationships.
Transcendental celibacy is a hard and narrow and subtle path to follow
and I don't see how one could really manage it without help from Tibetan
Tantra as well as the Hindu Tantra which many kundalini yogis are
acquainted with. I found I had to immerse myself in the dharma and draw
on various gurus to integrate the various aspects of the mind body and
heart - it demanded every last atom of my being - real holism !
Would like to hear from any spiritual traveller or yogi interested in
swopping notes or learning from eachother. Interested in electronic
friendship generally whether sympathetic to Buddhism or not. Good luck
to you all, may you find peace, vigour, energy and wisdom - Yogi Tom -
JAI GURU !
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:56:05 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, tinaobATnospamndirect.co.uk
Subject: Re: My awakening/or something.
Message-ID: <uMzO5AAFvoJzEwYSATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <970311151958_-1405696375ATnospamemout11.mail.aol.com>,
DChern1123ATnospamaol.com writes
>For years my experience has been that I experience an "electricity"
primarily
>in the left foot that shoots up.Now it appears in the hands,shoots
around
>sometimes into the head neck and heart.Sometimes a light in the
head.Shakeing
>goes with it and I don't want to wake my wife or piss her off so I just
lie
>there like for an hour until it goes away.Last night I put my hand over
my
>third eye while It was happening and got a big ugly blast of nausea und
a
>slight pain in my head ,.so I stopped that fast and decided to do a
big
>clean up of my colon and digestive tract which I think is associated
with the
>nausea.Anyboby out there with a comment or similar experience?
This sounds very familiar my fellow kundalini yogi. I found that
piecemeal approaches to handling symptoms were not very effective and
could even make things worse as the energy was so subtle and had a will
of its own that no particular system of diet/cleansing/yoga or
meditation could harness. The only approach that worked in the long run
was a total review - evolving through a natural and spontaneous process
of observation and questioning my inner experience - of every detail of
my mind body and heart and so that my life became more and more
integrated and balanced - this meant a relatively pure vegetarian diet,
enough physical exertion and Oriental bodywork (I tried aikido, tai chi,
hatha yoga, qi kung, shiatsu and swimming) to stop me going into my head
and getting all psychic - and learning the savasana technique of yoga in
depth - reaching into the very bottom of the mind and body - whereby one
allows the kundalini to take over one's whole being as it is our
conditioned mind and ego consciousness that kundalini wants to kill -
this can be pretty frightening unless one understands what's going on.
The savasana or corpse pose is particularly good as one can do it in bed
before sleeping and on waking up so it doesn't interfere with your
routine. If in doubt however, one has to turn to the heart and believe
in one's own experience unashamedly and not feel any need to justify
oneself as that simply creates resistance to the natural process of
becoming a true yogi. The birth can be painful, traumatic and ugly, but
how else could it be ? You my friend are becoming a spiritual being !!!
Good luck to you. Have you thought about finding a tantric guru ? >
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:57:04 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <970312105536_1149939804ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com>
Yes, this is about Kundalini
Hi everybody, I recently discovered something! If I eat 1-2 whole nutmegs at
around 7 pm, my morning meditations are extremely intense. Intense in the
amout of energy that goes through my system. Does anybody who was into
nutmeg also have these reactions? Does anybody know the dangers of nutmeg
eating (I think it may have a toxicity level)?
Nobody out there be stupid- let me do some research before you start eat cans
of nutmeg.
Love,
Aaron
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:43:38 -0600 (CST)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-Id: <199703121643.KAA09888ATnospamdfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>Hi everybody, I recently discovered something! If I eat 1-2 whole
nutmegs at
>around 7 pm, my morning meditations are extremely intense.
Aaron,
Do you mean other than the LSD level that occurs naturally in nutmeg?
1/3 ounce of the ground stuff is supposed to have as much LSD as a
street hit - should make quite a meditation trip. Don't know what size
whole nutmegs you are using, though. Also, as far as toxicity goes, how
do you manage to keep them down - that's a lot of nutmeg. Are you
eating the husk (aka allspice) as well as the nutmeat?
Dan-RF
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:26:11 -0500 (EST)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <970312132541_-1204508316ATnospamemout18.mail.aol.com>
Yes- I read (and tried) that nutmeg is a cure for pre-mature ejaculation so
It might corroborate your research ,and leads me to think that nutmeg may
transmute sex energy into spiritual energy.See Robert Svoboda's
bookAyurveda-Life Health and longevity page 312 for similar acting herbs.Yes
keep us posted!
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:15:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: Daniel Rusch-Fischer <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970312130054.7007B-100000ATnospampiranha.itlabs.umn.edu>
On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
> You wrote:
> >
> >Hi everybody, I recently discovered something! If I eat 1-2 whole
> nutmegs at
> >around 7 pm, my morning meditations are extremely intense.
>
> Aaron,
>
> Do you mean other than the LSD level that occurs naturally in nutmeg?
> 1/3 ounce of the ground stuff is supposed to have as much LSD as a
> street hit - should make quite a meditation trip. Don't know what size
> whole nutmegs you are using, though. Also, as far as toxicity goes, how
> do you manage to keep them down - that's a lot of nutmeg. Are you
> eating the husk (aka allspice) as well as the nutmeat?
>
> Dan-RF
>
NO! There is no such as naturally occuring LSD in anything!! The
closest thing to naturally occurring LSD is ergot. However, this must be
changed via a chemical procedure not know to occur in nature. This is
how it was discovered by Albert Hofmann, he was fooling around with
ergot derivatives when he got the 25th derivative on his hand(hence
LSD-25) and had the "magical bike ride home", which was a heroic dose
measured in milligrams!
The closest thing to LSD that is naturally occurring is LAA, which is
found in morning glory seeds. This has bad side effects and is no where
near the trip that "Big A" is.
And yes, there is entheogenic(P.C. word for "Hallucinogenic")
alkaloids in nutmeg: Here's an abstract from the Natural Highs FAQ:
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NUTMEG
Family: Myristicaceae
Genus: Myristica
Species: fragrans
Usage: 5-20 grams of ground nutmeg is ingested. Fresh ground is best.Can
also be taken in a "space paste" concoction (see below). Space paste is
difficult/expensive to make and tastes like shit; however, it may
actually decrease the side effects.
Effects: Possible nausea during first hour; may cause vomiting or
diarrhea in isolated cases. Takes anywhere from one to five hours for
effects
to set in. Then expect severe cottonmouth, flushing of skin, severely
bloodshot eyes, dilated pupils. Personally I compare it to a very, very
heavy hash buzz. "Intense sedation". Impaired speech and motor
functions.
Hallucinations uncommon in average (5-10 gm) doses. Generally followed
by
long, deep, almost coma-like sleep (expect 16 hours of sleep afterward)
and
feelings of lethargy after sleep. May cause constipation, water
retention.
Safrole is carcinogenic and toxic to the liver.
History: Nutmeg was a very important trade item in the 15th and 16th
centuries. It was a precious commodity due to the enormous medicinal
properties of its seeds. Slaves on the ships bringing nutmeg to Europe
got in trouble for eating part of the cargo. They knew that a few large
kernels of nutmeg would bring them a pleasant, euphoric feeling, and
relieved
their weariness and pain. Nutmeg was even used when the feeble King
Charles
II almost died of a clot or hemorrhage. His death a few days later did
nothing to detract from its useful reputation. Rumor spread through
London
that Nutmegs could act as an abortifacient. The ladies who procured
abortions
from nutmeg were called "nutmeg ladies."
Interaction precautions: MAO inhibitor
Active Constituents: Methylenedioxy-substituted compounds: myristicin
(non-amine precursor of 3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine [M-MDA])
elemicin, and safrole.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:16:31 -0800 (PST)
From: " Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Blood Sugar, warning!
Message-Id: <199703122016.MAA14361ATnospamf13.hotmail.com>
In my last post on "blood sugar" I ignored any physical problems and focused on
the energy. I am sorry, that was not responsible of me. My only excuse is my
focus on K and prana kept the dangerous possiblities from entering my head and
thence to the keyboard.
The same symptoms Colleen and I descirbed can indicate serious problems such as
diabetes. Diabetes is very serious business. It can lead to blindness, kidney
failure, heart disease, nerve damage, and a lot of other things, including
death. The same symptoms can also be caused by a brain tumor, which can kill
and having watched someone die that way it is as bad a way to go as I hope to
ever see. There are other possible causes but these should be enough to
indicate the seriousness of the possible problems.
Assuming you don't have the health problems my comments in the last post stand
unaltered. If the throat lock doesn't work immediately (by the 2nd or 3rd day)
get thee to a M.D. and haul-ass doing it.
Thanks to those who pointed out my oversight.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:44:09 -0600 (CST)
From: NSBUR5268ATnospamALPHA.NSULA.EDU
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Research paper
Message-id: <01IGF2RG7C7M0008RDATnospamALPHA.NSULA.EDU>
Hello everyone. It is a great experience being on this mailing list.
I have been studying the K for about 2 years now, however I have not tried
to awaken it yet because I want to do as much research as possible into the
subject before I put my body/mind/soul on the line. I thank you all for
contributing to this mailing list. I hope that I can be a productive part
of the "community" that you all seem to have here. Thanks.
re would offer up their personal experiences of the awakening, as I am doing
a research paper on the K for my English 1010 class and could use the sources
.......second, is the K a permanent thing? I have heard two different claims.
One states that the K is permanent after it is awakened, the other says that
be re-awakened. Which have you all found to be true? One last question... has
anyone out there heard of Dr. Glenn Morris? If so
, what do you think of his
writings on the K? Thank you all. May you find and stay on the path of truth.
Sincerely,
Sleeping Dragon
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:38:42 -0500 (EST)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <970312163726_1350714051ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
Dear Dan, Very funny, really ,love it
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:25:38 -0800
From: "Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer" <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <33272D62.408FATnospamix.netcom.com>
Hey Joe,
Don't you have some schoolwork to attend to? My brother works for campus
security there ... which dorm are you at? Just kidding (not about the
brother with campus security - he lives over in Coon Rapids). Who said
anything about HEAVY ACID TRIP?
Poor Aaron was just asking about nutmeg. Yes, Aaron, those of us who
HAVE taken quantities of nutmeg instead of just reading about it can
verify that there are some interesting effects to be experienced -
however, neither I nor anyone that I know who HAS taken it has reported
effects as long after ingestion as you indicate.
I said that the effects were LSD-like because they ARE, I HAVE taken
both (granted a number of years ago) and in my experience, the effects
had worn off within 4 hours - auditory, visual and tactile
hallucinations with both. A bit of nausea, but not too bad. We made up
our nutmeg dosage in gelatine capsules and drank a considerable amount
of water.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
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Nothing Is wrote:
>
> There's *NO* way that nutmeg with all of its bad physical side effects
> can come close to, at any amount, the *POWER* of a heavy acid trip. YOu
> see, LSD is has a good ratio of 'no bad side effects' vs. strength of the
> trip. Nutmeg on the other hand, requires large amounts before
> you start tripping hard which comes at a heavy cost of bad physical side
> effects. If this wasn't the case, nutmeg would be made illegal!!!
> Personally, I prefer DMT....
>
> On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer wrote:
>
> > Nothing Is wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Daniel Rusch-Fischer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aaron wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi everybody, I recently discovered something! If I eat 1-2 whole
> > > > nutmegs at around 7 pm, my morning meditations are extremely intense.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:19:11 -0500 (EST)
From: JakajkATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <970312171123_805405039ATnospamemout15.mail.aol.com>
Part of it is a hallucinogen.
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