1997/03/09  13:05  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #89 
  
 
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 89
 
Today's Topics: 
  RE: sorry wrong file 
  A near miss 
  Re: lurker coming out 
  Near Miss 
  Re:Serpent-ine 
  Re: Near Miss 
  RE: Near Miss 
  Thanks for the Welcome! 
  Thanks for the Welcome-continued-oops! 
  Re: Thanks for the Welcome-continued-oops! 
  Backward in time negative-energy. 
  re:backward in time negative energy 
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 97 17:00:30 UT 
From: "Larry Killen" <LkillenATnospammsn.com> 
To: "hoppy" <hoppyATnospamupnaway.com>, "Kundalini, List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: RE: sorry wrong file 
Message-Id: <UPMAIL05.199703081705230034ATnospammsn.com> 
 
Thank you Steven, 
As often happens, this oiece of mial answered a question I had as I awoke this  
morning.  I still harbor two general dichotomies inside.  I call them the Wolf  
and the Saint.  Their titles should tell all.  I know that one cannot be at  
war with the other and grow but I find myself having trouble reconciling the  
two manifestations.  But what i read below was what I needed at this moment.   
I thank the forces that directed you to send this to me.   and you. 
Namaste---------- 
From: 	hoppy 
Sent: 	Saturday, March 08, 1997 3:15 AM 
To: 	Larry Killen 
Subject: 	sorry wrong file
 
Self-Mastery 
************** 
Control? this is a big one, control of my self, control of  
things around me. Etc. 
 
This control is based on our own self-control, for example:  
The choices we make in a situation as to what to say to a  
person.
 
We might think: "Shall I say this or that?" thinking, if I say  
this will it lead to the downfall of my integrity? Or if I say  
that will it lead to the loss of my commitment to Love? Shall  
I choose this Love of body, of affection, over the Love of  
Love?
 
The answer is clear, if it takes us away from the love of Love  
we should not choose it. So loss of control is the result of  
our lack of self-control, while the getting or keeping of  
control is the result of our self-control. Our "Self-mastery"
 
To employ this concept in a relative sense, one would notice  
that the person or situation involved and with which we are  
interrelating is nothing but ones-self and that the central  
being involved is Love Herself, both in us as well as that  
with which we are interrelating, this leads to the conviction  
that, that which is relating through us with itself is Love  
Herself, so Love is relating through us with Her Self. From  
this stand point it is very easy to see the course one should  
follow.
 
It is not to take responsibility for the others feelings as  
there is no other, but to realize that the other may be coming  
from Ego and not love.
 
We can detect Ego from the way someone is relating to us, if  
the way they are relating is an attempt at getting us to  
validate them in whatever way thus in this way justify their  
self-concept or ego via our response to their seeking for  
validation exterior to Love.
 
So if we reject them they are not helped, if we accept their  
self-concept and validate this, they are not helped, we must  
Love them as God himself, this reveals their ego's lies about  
who or what they are.
 
This is a very insidious and sneaky thing; Someone justifies  
the existence of their Ego via our reaction or lack of  
reaction to them.
 
The reaction sort by ego, can be engendered in us by an evil  
act or a good act or by no act at all, it can be clothed in  
honey and silk or whatever. It is all the same.
 
Hence it is very, very difficult to get beyond ego, as any  
response other than total love and acceptance is the thing it  
uses to justify its belief in the existence of itself.
 
The fact that the mind reacts to events set in motion by our  
ego continues to justify to us the maintenance of ego, Desire  
is its' chief weapon, it uses desire to justify from the lack  
of fulfillment of desire, its continued ridicule of anything  
which excludes its existence. It cannot know that desire is  
the prime motivator which Love employs to motivate get this  
"EGO" to the truth of Love, thusly Ego is a sucker first and  
last and is necessary until the goal is attained.
 
Now a mis-conception is that we worship God, this is erroneous 
as it is ego that worships itself via this worship, as if the  
worship of an ego meant anything. In the same way we use each  
other to gratify ego as if it were god.
 
Oh wretched ego! You exist only as a mirrored reflected  
reaction in another ego. We agree to have ego together this is  
our awful agreement, in this is the existence of each ego and  
of our own.
 
As if God could, should, would acknowledge anything other than  
Him\Her\It self and thereby Ascribe existence to ego either  
His or ours. And thus create the whole infernal thing via this  
acknowledgment.
 
If Him\Her\It did so then this would be the under-writing of  
separation, making it fact that there are 2 in Omnipresence.  
Which is ridiculous.
 
It is thus that we seek the overriding of ego in our character  
and minds, that we realize what we are, which is "Love Itself"  
and in this way stop trying to make the Self we are trying to  
realize, react to our ego, thereby justifying the existence of  
our own ego; We must Stop trying to get The Self - God or  
whatever to react to us thusly justifying our postulations as  
this would also mean it has an Ego and doom us to our own.
 
God, Self, Love does not react to ego as this would validate  
another in Omnipresence even if it had its own Ego.
 
Neither empathy or sympathy with or for anyone other than  
compassion for God which we all are, is right-action, anything  
else is of no use, as it justifies the doing of the thing  
which caused the problem in the first place, causing the being  
to think He\She\It requires help or validation for what  
He\She\It thinks He\She\It is or is experiencing and such help  
again underscoring the existence of ego.
 
This is why God or whatever we want to call it will not help  
us directly, except by helping the part in us which is nearer  
himself and less ego.
 
OOMM.
 
Not that god requires compassion or love, but that loving is  
the reason we exist. 
****************************
 
Mastery of the cosmos
 
<LUNA> I am feeling separated, dispersed throughout the cosmos 
I see that I am not the body people see, but more than this  
yet my body is part of this dispersion, it is a little  
frightening as that which I am used to seeing as me does not  
control it is out of the whole meaning of control Of "I". 
 
I do not want people to misunderstand my love: for example  
there is a guy in the university, he is very sad he mis- 
interpreted my love, he knew I loved him but he did not know  
that my love was beyond relationship and sexuality etc.
 
My body these days, is driving itself and sometimes I my  
consciousness is not on it in the wrong situations like in a  
class or in the car this is not good. if I have a body then it  
must be for a reason so I must focus and return to that focus. 
  
Today I had to walk to my university and I wasn't thinking I  
wasn't there and I got lost in my own city.
 
<STEVEN> AH!
 
<LUNA> This never happened to me before, it is as if I am in a  
constant day dream. As if the entire cosmos were a nebulous  
thing like smoke. As if I was sleep walking and woke to find  
myself in a strange place.
 
In class, I was seeing class from the clouds and not from the  
seat; but this is not a concentration thing, it is like seeing  
from a higher mode of awareness within my self; seeing it  
occurring within the same self from which I am watching it as  
it was inside me. 
  
<STEVEN> I understand what you are saying. First let me say  
this:
 
<LUNA> OK.
 
<STEVEN> this is occurring because of your faith in love thus  
it is not dangerous, do not be afraid there is nothing to fear
 
<LUNA> I am not, in fact I am more than pleased with this but 
This is all new to me, you know I don't know about these  
things.
 
<STEVEN> What will happen is that your mind will be  
transformed totally, your consciousness will become different  
than it ever was before - different than anything you can  
imagine.
 
<LUNA> yes, I see, yes this is it.
 
<STEVEN> Your perception will become stupendous this  
consciousness will find it cannot locate itself anywhere so it  
will locate itself everywhere it will fill the cosmos itself
 
<LUNA> but do I have to control it, or just let it flow? What  
if one day  I get out and never comeback (it doesn't matter  
though)
 
<STEVEN> This is called "Cosmic Consciousness"
 
<LUNA> Yes, this is how I feel.
 
<ARTUR> hahahahahahhaaa !!!! What a topic in cosmos we have  
today !!! LOL
 
<STEVEN> Let us start on that, look at this poem.
 
BLUE 
I looked up and saw the blue sky 
Below the mist...... 
Above the sky....... 
Looking into the mind.. Mist......... 
Looking into love......... 
A sky ..... 
In a clear sky there are no clouds. 
With the leap of faith knowing pervades being. 
Loving we Know peace...... 
Intellectualizing we see mist 
Ghosts......Emptiness......... 
Above Love.......Thus I was 
able to let go of knowing. 
Above.......sky 
Below.....Mist.......
 
So seeing this truth. we no longer locate our consciousness in  
the body or the head
 
<LUNA> oooh my!
 
But in the cosmos itself!
 
<LUNA> Yes, not in me, I actually feel like I am talking to  
myself here - at this moment.
 
<STEVEN> you are doing exactly that LUNA.
 
<STEVEN> We realize that we are literally the cosmos
 
<LUNA> Even talking with you, but I'm not here only I can  
understand all you are saying and things from other things  
too, at the same time I am aware of everything and this too.
 
<STEVEN> Yes, you are me I am you we are one - all is one.  
What you are experiencing is the Omnipresence of  
consciousness, the actual consciousness and Omnipresence are  
identical, consciousness and Omnipresence make Omniscience  
which is all-knowledge, (Knowledge-awareness of everything).  
Now as regards controlling it forget it, any attempt at  
control causes dis-connection from this awareness immediately  
This will only brings pain just be it.
 
To do tasks like school work etc. it will become easy you will  
do all as if from a distance, seeing you doing what is done in  
yourself; all is done in your self not in the universe anymore 
"IT IS YOU" DOING IT TO - AND IN YOURSELF, WHATEVER IT IS THAT  
YOU ARE DOING!
 
There is no more LUNA there is only god, Omnipresent and  
eternal, all is this Omnipresent one. There are not, and  
cannot be 2 in Omnipresence there is but one, manifest as all.
 
<LUNA> Yes! Yes! This is exactly what is happening. Yes this  
is much easier. There is still some weighing on my mind 
  
<STEVEN> go on then
 
<LUNA> mm tell me what Yoga is, this is all happening to me  
but I don't even know what yoga or enlightened means or have  
any conception of what is happening to me.
 
<STEVEN> hehhe That knowledge is un-necessary. This is why it  
is so easy for you. You have no conceptualizations to get rid  
of, no mind constructs etc. no pre-conceived ideas etc.
 
<LUNA> Yes I know; You explain things I know, but can't  
explain in English. I wouldn't be aware of this if you weren't  
here. To explain would be impossible, even to explain it to  
myself.
 
<STEVEN> You are very fortunate believe me! I had a billion  
concepts to get past, it was very hard for me. VERY! This  
knowing which you are experiencing, I have been there too.
 
Welcome to this place of wonder LUNA! This is why this chanell  
is called cosmos
 
<LUNA> :) Then why do I feel this thirst to know, if I am  
already like you say? You are making me aware of me as if you  
were there as me to make me aware of my self within my very  
awareness itself.
 
<STEVEN> ah! The need is interpreted by the mind to be a need  
to know a drive to cognate etc..... it is the desire again the  
moment you love this feeling of incompletion it goes away does  
it not?
 
Love fulfills herself in that when we love; "When we LOVE  
"LOVE" desire is healed instantly, yet desire returns this is  
because all must be done as an act of loving "Love" :)
 
When all is done this way desire  is fulfilled :) You see She  
create us to love, thus when we love she is fulfilled.
 
Control of Love is Mastery..
 
The level of Love we allow to manifest through us is the level  
of power we use and have. Less Love, less power. More Love,  
more power. To Love absolutely is to be Omnipotent.
 
Control is thus a thing based on fear.
 
Fear is not the reverse of Love it is the "inverse" of it.  
Thus it is deceleration where love is exceleration.
 
Fear is thus Love also, as are all things.
 
But fear gone wild is as we know terror, this is because as is  
its state, so is our dis-connection from the awareness of Love  
which is the wilderness of the bible or the cave of the hermit  
or the dark night of the soul. OR HELL!
 
Yet even in very hell itself, Love is but a decision away.
 
OOMM.
 
Lovingly Steven 
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:06:44 -0500 
From: Ronald Westermann <ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net> 
To: Klist <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: A near miss 
Message-ID: <33219CA3.24A9ATnospambellatlantic.net> 
 
 
Hi beloved K-ites:
 
Today there was an almost projection. The meditations started perfect 
today. Focus was strong, visualization vivid. The numbness started in 
the lower part of the the body and continued upward. Deep breathing 
energy starting with the lowest charkra until the vibration was felt, 
and then continue to the next. The first difficult area was the heart 
chakra. That too became charged by reciting "om" on the exhale. Perfect. 
I was paralyzed from the neck down, and my physical body felt 
electrified. I felt as if I  was levitating: very nice!, oh goody, happy 
days are here again! Now upward to the throat chakra. More humming on 
the exhale couldn't jumpt start that chakra. How curious, I expanded my 
awareness. What could be the trouble? Ah ha, there's a pain in my neck 
area. This pain continues to the back of my head, at the base of the 
skull. Well, try as I might, I could not continue to bring forth the 
kundalini any higher than this point. This has been one of the nearest 
K-episodes in a very long time. Does anybody out there have a remedy to 
this obstacle. I've begun some neck stretching exercises and 
self-massage therapy. It's a shame that I invested almost 2 hours in 
this trance and then reach a dead end like this.
 
Divine light empowers,
 
Ronald 
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 97 12:09:44 EST 
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: lurker coming out 
Message-Id: <9703081709.AA05270ATnospamsuperaje.com> 
 
Welcome Kathy!!! 
You are among friends here! 
I myself thought I was losing my mind or suffering a mysterious illness. 
My doctor told me it was stress and take some excercise courses. 
hahahahahahahahahahah 
Actually, I teach dance for a living so I get plenty of exercise. 
About the light when you closed your eyes....I CAN IDENTIFY! 
Very annoying when trying to sleep, though this is not a problem for me now. 
But you should have seen me after my first baby. 
The extremely arduous birth seemed to have kicked my k into full motion. 
In the hopital, after he was born, all I saw when I closed my eyes was 
bright white light.....and when my eyes were open there was a yellowish glow 
on the top of my head...I was always looking up trying to figure out where 
it was coming from..(seems almost funny now!)...but there were no lights on 
or no lights there.... 
I had muscle twitches and jerking and thought I was getting some terrible 
pregnancy disease and was about to have seizures....I put myself through 
anxiety-filled hell. 
When I came out of the hospital the world looked unreal...it was weird. 
My second child I went through similar anxiety hell for the last month of 
pregnancy but bliss when he was born....but during the first five months of 
pregnancy I had incredible mystical experiences. 
Anyway.....you are not alone that is certain. 
I would be happy to listen to your symptoms, if you want to e-mail me we 
could talk in more detail....happy to help if I could. 
LOL 
Maureen 
chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com 
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:17:17 -0500 
From: Ronald Westermann <ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net> 
To: Klist <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Near Miss 
Message-ID: <33219F1C.3399ATnospambellatlantic.net> 
 
 
Hi beloved K-ites:
 
Today there was an almost projection. The meditations started perfect 
today. Focus was strong, visualization vivid. The numbness started in 
the lower part of the the body and continued upward. Deep breathing 
energy starting with the lowest charkra until the vibration was felt, 
and then continue to the next. The first difficult area was the heart 
chakra. That too became charged by reciting "om" on the exhale. Perfect. 
I was paralyzed from the neck down, and my physical body felt 
electrified. I felt as if I  was levitating: very nice!, oh goody, happy 
days are here again! Now upward to the throat chakra. More humming on 
the exhale couldn't jump-start that chakra. How curious, I expanded my 
awareness. What could be the trouble? Ah ha, there's a pain in my neck 
area. This pain continues to the back of my head, at the base of the 
skull. Well, try as I might, I could not continue to bring forth the 
kundalini any higher than this point. This has been one of the nearest 
K-episodes in a very long time. Does anybody out there have a remedy to 
this obstacle. I've begun some neck stretching exercises and 
self-massage therapy. It's a shame that I invested almost 2 hours in 
this trance and then reach a dead end like this.
 
Divine light empowers,
 
Ronald 
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:24:06 -0800 (PST) 
From: "anita grayson" <eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re:Serpent-ine 
Message-Id: <199703081824.KAA06329ATnospamf5.hotmail.com> 
 
Jan, 
The stone was .50 cents a gram.  Mine was 27.3 grams.  $13.00 
is what I paid.  The stone is 1 1/2 inch long. Just nice for holding 
in my hand when I meditate.
 
Anita
 
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Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 13:54:53 -0800 
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> 
To: ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Near Miss 
Message-ID: <3321E02D.437BATnospambest.com> 
 
 
Ronald Westermann wrote: 
>  
>  What could be the trouble? Ah ha, there's a pain in my neck 
> area. This pain continues to the back of my head, at the base of the 
> skull. Well, try as I might, I could not continue to bring forth the 
> kundalini any higher than this point. This has been one of the nearest 
> K-episodes in a very long time. Does anybody out there have a remedy to 
> this obstacle. I've begun some neck stretching exercises and 
> self-massage therapy. It's a shame that I invested almost 2 hours in 
> this trance and then reach a dead end like this. 
>  
> 
Envision a white light at the base of your skull. The light is a flame 
which feeds off all impurities in this chakra. Burn until it blisses 
out. 
Morgana 
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:23:25 -0600 
From: "Galván Jiménez Marco Antonio" <magj1ATnospamibm.net> 
To: <morganaATnospambest.com>, <ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net> 
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: RE: Near Miss 
Message-Id: <199703082224.WAA176279ATnospamout2.ibm.net> 
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My english is not alway my ally, but I will try.
 
You can put your tonge in the upper part of the mouth. rolled it back to 
the throat. 
You can look at Mantak´s Chias book´ called "Awakening ...(I do not 
remember the title rigth now)  Ligth"  how to remove this blockage.
 
Love. 
 
Marco Antonio Galván 
Gutemberg 61-6 
Polanco 
Mexico D:F Mexico
 
Fax      :525-705-5903 
Voice:  525-705-44-90 (call collect)
 
---------- 
> De: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> 
> A: ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net 
> CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
> Asunto: Re: Near Miss 
> Fecha: Sábado 8 de Marzo de 1997 3:54 PM 
>  
> Ronald Westermann wrote: 
> >  
> >  What could be the trouble? Ah ha, there's a pain in my neck 
> > area. This pain continues to the back of my head, at the base of the 
> > skull. Well, try as I might, I could not continue to bring forth the 
> > kundalini any higher than this point. This has been one of the nearest 
> > K-episodes in a very long time. Does anybody out there have a remedy to 
> > this obstacle. I've begun some neck stretching exercises and 
> > self-massage therapy. It's a shame that I invested almost 2 hours in 
> > this trance and then reach a dead end like this. 
> >  
> > 
> Envision a white light at the base of your skull. The light is a flame 
> which feeds off all impurities in this chakra. Burn until it blisses 
> out. 
> Morgana 
> <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p><font size=2 color="#000000" face="Arial Narrow">My english is not alway my ally, but I will try.<br><br>You can put your tonge in the upper part of the mouth. rolled it back to the throat.<br>You can look at Mantak´s Chias book´ called "Awakening ...(I do not remember the title rigth now)  Ligth"  how to remove this blockage.<br><br>Love. <br><br>Marco Antonio Galván<br>Gutemberg 61-6<br>Polanco<br>Mexico D:F Mexico<br><br>Fax      :525-705-5903<br>Voice:  525-705-44-90 (call collect)<br><br><br><font color="#0000FF">----------<br>> De: Morgana Wyze <<u>morganaATnospambest.com</u>><br>> A: <u>ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net</u><br>> CC: <u>kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com</u><br>> Asunto: Re: Near Miss<br>> Fecha: Sábado 8 de Marzo de 1997 3:54 PM<br>> <br>> Ronald Westermann wrote:<br>> > <br>> >  What could be the trouble? Ah ha, there's a pain in my neck<br>> > area. This pain continues to the back of my head, at the base of the<br>> > skull. Well, try as I might, I could not continue to bring forth the<br>> > kundalini any higher than this point. This has been one of the nearest<br>> > K-episodes in a very long time. Does anybody out there have a remedy to<br>> > this obstacle. I've begun some neck stretching exercises and<br>> > self-massage therapy. It's a shame that I invested almost 2 hours in<br>> > this trance and then reach a dead end like this.<br>> > <br>> ><br>> Envision a white light at the base of your skull. The light is a flame<br>> which feeds off all impurities in this chakra. Burn until it blisses<br>> out.<br>> Morgana<br>> </p> 
</font></font></body></html>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:07:01 -0500 (EST) 
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Thanks for the Welcome! 
Message-ID: <970308210700_1948272796ATnospamemout12.mail.aol.com> 
 
Hi, everybody, 
   
Wow! Thanks for the terrific welcome I got.  Life is good. 
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:42:33 -0500 (EST) 
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Thanks for the Welcome-continued-oops! 
Message-ID: <970308214233_279435838ATnospamemout15.mail.aol.com> 
 
      Well, you know, I think I'm blowing out everything electrical here 
lately.  In the last week or so I've stopped 2 clocks, blown a number of 
light bulbs, screwed up one tape player, and sent email the I was in the 
middle of  typing several times!  Yikes!  I thought at first it was because I 
might be ungrounded, but I've done so much grounding, I feel like I' m glued 
to the earth and weigh a ton!!!!  I am _very_ grounded! 
      I have noticed that when I'm really loooking forward to something, it's 
worse.  Also, the earth energy I've been seeing has a lot to do with it. 
 Someone asked me about that.  What I see are clear waves of energy that are 
like reading a book for me.  I know this is a direct result of the NDE as I 
never had anything like it before. This cycle is soon to be done. Much of it 
is the process of the earth raising its own vibration.   We've passed this 
little peak and this process will be calming down very soon. 
      I say this knowing that with the end of this 'cycle within the larger 
cycle' it may only feel to us like a brief pause because a new one is already 
begun.  They seem ever faster.  I think those of us with the K experience are 
paving the way for many others to follow,  sort of like the "hundredth 
monkey" syndrome.  If enough experience a phenomenon, mass consciousness is 
raised for all, thus making it easier to learn (actually, 'to know') for 
those who follow.  
 
     I believe K-ites may be doing a job we "volunteered" to do. I think 
we're a brave and loving group to come here and do this job. We work very 
hard.  I'd like to honor each and everyone of us for that.  
 
Love and honor to all,
 
Kathy   
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 19:48:31 -0800 
From: Omega <omegaATnospampacific.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Welcome-continued-oops! 
Message-ID: <3322330F.21EFATnospampacific.net> 
 
 
Hi LibraKat1l, 
  
>       Well, you know, I think I'm blowing out everything electrical here 
> lately.  In the last week or so I've stopped 2 clocks, blown a number of 
> light bulbs, screwed up one tape player, and sent email the I was in the 
> middle of  typing several times!  Yikes!  I thought at first it was because I 
> might be ungrounded, but I've done so much grounding, I feel like I' m glued 
> to the earth and weigh a ton!!!!  I am _very_ grounded!
 
I'd like to warn you of a very common misunderstanding here.  Grounding is not 
something that can be done well using meditation, imagery, or other common  
approaches that don't engage the outside world.
 
This backward in time negative-energy which kundalini IS, can only be discharged  
effectively in creative activities of some sort.  Its anti-entropic nature will 
not let it easily be discharged any other way.
 
It can discharge though electric equipment, or even poltergeist activity, but 
only if easier ways are absent.  Healers usually get past this problem without 
too much trouble.  I'm a prolific writer, and that too drains the energy off. 
Zen monasteries don't encourage the creative arts for nothing. 
--  
In the Ecstatic Theatre of Life -- Omega 
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 20:25:06 -0800 
From: Omega <omegaATnospampacific.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Backward in time negative-energy. 
Message-ID: <33223BA2.4055ATnospampacific.net> 
 
 
Hi folks,
 
I said:
 
> This backward in time negative-energy which kundalini IS,
 
This was a mistake.  The backward in time negative-energy IS 
a necessary causal component of kundalini.  Kundalini is much 
much more as we all know.
 
My advice about grounding this energy still stands. 
--  
In the Ecstatic Theatre of Life -- Omega 
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:25:56 -0500 (EST) 
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: re:backward in time negative energy 
Message-ID: <970309002553_2096336957ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com> 
 
Hi, Omega,
 
      I don't understand what you mean by "backward in time negative energy." 
 I do understand that grounding through meditation, imagery, etc. is not the 
way for me to go.  I draw, write, and garden extensively plus walk outdoors 
3-4 hours a week.  I also work with animals a great deal.  ( I live with four 
of my own, which gets kind of wild. That's a whole other story, but I've 
noticed that one of the cats really loves K energy!)    
      However, there are times for me when the energy is running so strong 
that things just sort of go haywire.  I've noticed it's more when I'm in a 
physically intense period than in an emotional one.  I just finished a year 
of emotional stuff and the physical has come back full force.  I've not quite 
gotten the hang of handling it again yet, but if the pattern is the same as 
in the past, it'll calm down before too long.
 
I hope you'll explain what you meant as I'm interested in how others perceive 
time.  All my life I've had a fairly poor concept of time.  It seems very 
elastic to me and I have difficulty in telling how much time has elapsed. 
 (Maybe too many OOBE's outside space and time!)     Any others with 
thoughts, please let me know.
 
Thanks, 
 
Kathy
 
 
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