1997/02/16  17:57  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #71 
  
 
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 71
 
Today's Topics: 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
  egads! I have a Web page! 
  Tami 
  Grace of the Serpent 
  Evolution 
  Experience 
  Re,Victoria,Teegee,Aron,etc 
  Tami 
  Re: trembling 
  Tami - 2 
  new to the k-list  
  
  Re: new to the k-list 
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:28:12 -1000 (HST) 
From: Tami <tam11ATnospamlightspeed.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199702160528.TAA06513ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net> 
 
Hi I am Tami.  I already belong to the confederation Light list. 
It was suggested that what I am going through I get onto this list and maybe 
learn from others? 
Anyone that I talk to on the light list on  here? 
This is a new topic to discuss, much different from the light list although I 
notice this subject that I am going to discuss came up today and some soul saver came 
onto the list and told US on the Light list about this list.  So here goes!!!
 
I am trying to get on this list.   
I am having a problem with NetScape. This version really is terrible. 
Well, let me know if this gets to the list.
 
So is anyone besides me having some really serious sexuality problems? Meaning that they are 
overly INTENSE! Hard to handle?  Do not know what to do with them? 
I am single and sex is all I think of anymore!
 
I am not generally that open about this, but lately I have been, which is good, but I really 
do not have anyone around where I live to talk about this with, so I guess you people on  
the list are the ones who may give me some serious input and advice.  
 
Thanks! 
Tami 
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:39:46 -0800 
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: egads! I have a Web page! 
Message-ID: <33069DA2.6F8BATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> 
 
 
I actually got my first web page to work! 
It was free, too!   
Its pretty sparse, but hey.
 
check it out: 
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/
 
happy Paranirvana day to everyone!
 
cheers 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 00:42:10 -0800 
From: Paco <darkwellATnospamidt.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: darkwellATnospamidt.net 
Subject: Tami 
Message-ID: <3306C862.3942ATnospamhaven.ios.com> 
 
 
Tami, 
 Seeing as I am a responsible member of this list and ready 
to offer sound counsel, just let me say, that I would love to help you 
handle your problem. *heh heh* Unfortunately, I am probably just as 
bad as you... in fact, I am so lost that I don't even realize it. My 
theory is "Just do it"; the Msr. Jordan school of Therape du Sex.  
Seriously, as long as you are safe and sane, there is only good things 
to say about being a freak. Sexual morality is for wussies and  
the disneyland crowd.  
  later, 
     Paco 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:49:08 -0800 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: mahaleneATnospamsoulvision.com 
Subject: Grace of the Serpent 
Message-ID: <33073A84.5A65ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
 
Hi, 
thought this might be worth supporting . . .
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster
 
any reply to lorraineATnospamviconet.com
 
Dear Survey Participant:
 
I am presently a Vermont College graduate student studying Transpersonal 
Psychology.  For my final document research, I am interested grace and 
how it affects our lives.  It is a subject that has had a great deal of 
press, but one we often don´t think about, except in a religious 
context.  I am more interested in a broader, psychological perspective 
and would appreciate any input you can provide.
 
INFORMED CONSENT FORM 
THE GRADUATE PROGRAM AT VERMONT COLLEGE  
OF NORWICH UNIVERSITY
 
Investigator: Lorraine Ethridge 
Name of Study: The Transpersonal Nature of Grace 
I agree to be a participant in this research project designed to explore 
what grace means to me.  I understand that my participation requires 
only that I answers the questions on the attached survey.  However, I 
further understand that I may refuse to provide any such information as 
I choose. 
I understand that participation in this project is voluntary, and that I 
may decline to further participate at anytime.  I further understand 
that the confidentiality of my participation will be honored, and will 
not be revealed to anyone without my written consent.  To ensure this 
confidentiality the following safeguards have been implemented: 
I have not been required to provide my name or any other identifying 
information. 
I understand that as a result of my participation in this study I may 
come to more fully understand myself, and through that understanding be 
better prepared to feel deeper unity with the whole of humanity and the 
universe.   
I understand that after the project is completed, I may contact    
Lorraine Ethridge, if I am interested in seeing how my answers have been 
incorporated in this study. 
I understand that if I have any questions about this project, or if I 
would like to receive copies of a summary of the final document I can 
contact the investigator, who can be reached by calling 201-509-2833, 
e-mailing at lorraineATnospamviconet.com or by writing to her at 4 Rydal 
Place,  Apt. 1, Montclair, NJ  07042 
A copy of this consent form has been offered to me.   (Participants name 
and signature not required) 
I appreciate your participation.
 
Grace Survey
 
 This is a survey on "The Transpersonal Nature of Grace." It is 
designed 
to explore what grace means to a broad spectrum of people. First, some 
background for the topic and the questions.
 
 Transpersonal experiences are "beyond the personal" and may 
include 
meditation, yoga, mysticism, work with dreams and altered states to 
understand values, ethics, relationships, exceptional capabilities, and 
psychological well-being. This area of psychology involves the study of 
human consciousness and behavior. It incorporates spirituality in the 
quest to realize and integrate an understanding of one's personal 
relationship with the universe. 
 
 The word grace comes from the Latin, gratia, meaning favor, 
charm, 
thanks and gratus, meaning pleasing, grateful.  The Greeks, in their 
mythology, wrote of three Graces: joy, pleasure and splendor.
 
Part I 
Please respond to each of the following statements, indicating the 
extent of your agreement using the scale: 
 
1 = Strongly Agree, 2 = Agree, 3 = Undecided,  
4 = Disagree,   5 = Strongly Disagree, 6 = Don´t Know
 
 1.   I have experienced grace in my life.  (          ) 
 2.   I have felt the spiritual quality of grace. (          ) 
 3.    have experienced the connection between grace  
and joy. (          ) 
 4.   I have experienced the connection between grace and pleasure. 
(          ) 
 5.    have experienced the connection between grace and splendor. 
(          ) 
 6.   I have experienced the connection between grace 
and                        consciousness.              (          ) 
 7.   I have experienced grace in meditation. (          ) 
 8.   I have experienced grace in a dream. (          ) 
 9.   I have experienced grace in a relationship. (          ) 
10.  Grace is a mental state.  (          ) 
11.  Grace is a physical experience. (          ) 
12.  Grace comes from a divine source. (          ) 
13.  Grace comes in an altered state. (          ) 
14.  Grace is always present. (          ) 
15.  Grace is communicated. (          ) 
16.  Grace implies wholeness. (          ) 
17.  Grace involves symmetry. (          ) 
18.  Grace involves synchronicity. (          ) 
19.  Grace and soul are related. (          ) 
20.  Grace can be lost. (          ) 
21.  Grace can be reclaimed. (          ) 
22.  Grace is an attitude. (          ) 
23.  Grace is a reward. (          ) 
24.  Grace is more common in the spiritually  
 advanced. (          ) 
25.  Grace is accorded to a special few. (          ) 
 Part II 
In this section, use your own experience and your own words to give a 
personal perspective on grace. Write as much as you feel is useful.
 
  
1.   How would you define grace in your life?
 
 2.  How did you arrive at this definition?
 
3.   Briefly describe one or two of your personal experiences of grace.
 
 4.  If you do not believe you have experienced grace, why not?
 
 5.  Please provide any further comments you may have regarding grace.
 
 
Answering this questionnaire does not require your identity: however, 
for statistical purposes, please provide the following:
 
Age:        Sex:         Religious 
Affiliation:                           
Nationality:                          
>From which newsgroup did you learn of this 
survey?                                
 
If you are willing to participate in an audio tape interview on the 
subject of grace please provide the following:
 
Name:                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Telephone:  Day:                        Evening:                         
Email Address:                                  
 
Please note that all material will remain confidential. 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:11:49 -0800 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: ARCANAATnospambrownvm.brown.edu 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Evolution 
Message-ID: <33074DE5.7798ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
 
EVOLUTION
 
      Enlightenment is an evolutionary stage not a theistic 
comprehension. Buddhists have no concept of deity. The Tao has 
existence and yet is not. As well as the thinking, immanence 
of being, higher mystical expression alludes to absence as 
well as presence. The void, unknowable, unthinkable is part of 
mature experience. 
      Your enlightenment is from you and for you. Hanging on to 
God is a stage, just as insisting on void. Do not rush the 
stage you are at. Allow the progression its natural time and 
direction. God is such a profoundly complex experience that it 
simplifies the person. If you are a strong believer in God, 
this is right and proper but it is not everything. There are 
stages beyond belief for and against. 
     Spiritual materialism as well as the crude and obvious 
formulations has other more subtle manifestations: The worship 
of knowledge or God even for its own sake has no place in the 
settling of truth which is not in action, worship or its 
opposite. Acceptance is not passive or in conflict. It is the 
allowance of the end of journeying. Movement and stillness 
become meaningless. 
     Ideas of transition and change and leaving behind 
previous vehicles, knowledge bases and behavioral models are 
equally subtle ego states for they still appertain to the idea 
of movement to higher states. 
     The development of positive attributes are of social, 
psychological, psychic and emotional benefit. When this need 
to improve or progress subsides a persons attributes may arise 
as expressions of what is, rather than what should be. The 
whole idea of evolution creates an anxiety and conflict that 
suggests something is wrong rather than everything is right 
and the way it is - not should be, IS. 
     Intense intellectual study or religious practice becomes 
the focus of a group; attracting people on this basis. The 
ecstatic mystic who expresses only the Truth may never gain 
the acceptance needed to instigate a complete program of 
evolution. All formulations can be gauged by their members. 
Superior contact must produce better results. 
    Alleged higher consciousness always can be described or 
understood, the genuine article is too nebulous to be ascribed 
any quality. The spurious is always keen for verification; the 
real is its own answer.
 
(excerpt from Beyond Enlightenment (c) ARC)
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster
 
vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:53:24 -0400 
From: "Antaris Ra" <limiteATnospaminfonet.com.py> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Experience 
Message-Id: <9702161135.AA29324ATnospamrisc6.infonet.com.py> 
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> February 16, 1997AD 
> 12:45am PST (USA) 
>  
>  
> Hi Jeff and ALL! :D 
>  
> Just wanted to share my 3 cents about what you wrote about your 
> experience with Kundalini. You are going through an intense  
> period of cleansing and healing, as well as infusion of light 
> my friend. It is a very positive experience, once you have 
> finished. It is akin to your body excreting all it's toxins 
> out of your system, but on a spiritual/emotional level. Soon 
> you will reach a point where you will start to feel comfortable 
> again, and then a sense of bouyancy will follow after which  
> you have fully enveloped yourself into your light body. What 
> you are going through is being experienced at this time by 
> a great many people. You are quite fortunate my friend! 
>  
> "all good things come to those who ask" 
> 			~ Armendeus ~ 
>  
> alex 
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>  
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</font></font></font></body></html>Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:52:36 GMT 
From: tyrone.waltonATnospamhhbbs.com (Tyrone Walton) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re,Victoria,Teegee,Aron,etc 
Message-Id: <856090356ATnospamhhbbs.com> 
 
Victoria.thank you for your welcome to the k-list.I did visit your 
homepage.Very nice! Are you sure that the colors blue and red are from 
the first two centers? I thought these two colors had to do with the 3rd 
eye.I say that because I had a hynogoic vision while concentrating on a 
certain mudra I use. I had concentrating on the mudra for awhile and 
lost awareness for a time.When I became aware again I saw a being with 
grey skin and six arms.In front of me,it was bent over doing uddiyana 
bandha.From it's brow sprang a mandala that started as a dot.But kept 
getting larger and larger.The mandala was composed of 3 circles.The 
smallest inner one was black.The next or middle circle was red.The 
outmost was blue.I now know this was an absorption experince.
 
But at the time I just ended the experince before I was engulfed by the 
mandala.I've done some concentration on this mandala.And have found it 
has something to do with the sleep state.Or the U in AUM.On the subject 
of the heart center.I have a tape by "Harish Johari''called Sounds of 
the Chakras.It has the mantra seed sounds,plus the sounds of the 
petals.I usually make a 90min loop tape with a mantra.And listen to it 
on the bus etc.I've been thinking about shifting my concentration from 
the 3rd eye to the heart center. I've already made a tape of the 
mantra,and also know the finger gesture for the center.I figured since 
I'm Anahata nadam for meditation.I should be concentrating on the 
Anahata chakra.
 
Teegee:I currently live in Omaha,Ne. /Aron:I have had something like 
that happen to me.I wonder about it,but was also having mental 
problems.So looking back on it.I really don't know what to say.
 
To the person who wrote me about mudras and the blue white 
light:Sometimes my aura goes blue white also,but mostly it's red 
blue.Sometimes yellow red.I was introduced to finger gestures at an 
early age.I was told you could purify yourself with them.Many years 
later I found a book called "Call Adoni,by Albert Schutz.The book is 
published by Quantal Publishing 1980.Also the book Kundalini,the arousal 
of inner energy.By Ajit Mookerjee,on page 29 he talks about the practice 
of nyasa(the laying on of hands).The pages 29 to 32 will give you more 
info on the practice.You might checkout your local bookstore for it.
 
I have a question for everyone.When you get the shaking or trembling,are 
you breathing in or out?I've noticed that I'm usually breathing in.When 
the trembling starts. Thanks everone for the welcome. 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:59:08 -0800 
From: Jan Watson <jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Tami 
Message-ID: <33073CDC.69BDATnospamsympatico.ca> 
 
 
sorry about the format - i forgot to cc
 
Jan Watson wrote: 
>  
> Tami wrote: 
>  
> > So is anyone besides me having some really serious sexuality problems? Meaning that they are 
> > overly INTENSE! Hard to handle?  Do not know what to do with them? 
> > I am single and sex is all I think of anymore! 
>  
> > 
> > Thanks! 
> > Tami 
>  
> Hi Tami and Welcome 
>  
> Yes, I have this problems all the time!!!  Great fun after a while 
> because it is now energy you have to channel into whatever you wish. 
> You see, part of the problem with the opening of the second chakra is 
> the name we give it - the sex chakra.  It was traditionally known as 
> the chakra of CREATIVITY and was an invitation to join the world in a new 
> way.   This energy can be channeled into every aspect of your life, and 
> an chance to try a new creative endeavour - dance, for example pops into 
> mind... 
>  
> Still,  when the energy is strong, I agree, that intense sexuality is 
> very real and seems to demand resolution.  Rephrase:  the need for union. 
> I agree with Paco up to a point regarding sexuality not being a moral 
> issue, but I disagree that this is a green light for body hopping, unless 
> in your deep inner self, this feels right.  Given the fact that you 
> posted, I doubt this is the case. 
>  
> The need for short term sex can be a growth opportunity. It means having 
> the capacity to give, to take without wanting or needing something from 
> your  partner in the long term.  It means accepting them for who and what 
> they are in the present rather than making love while hoping they change. 
>  It means living in the present and letting the future emerge 
> spontaneously. 
>  
> Practicing tantra alone is an incredible way of dealing with 'vagrant 
> sex' ( a term of endearment here) as well.   You can use that drive to 
> further your own growth and learn to open yourself up to sheer ecstacy. 
> There are great books available at most larger bookstores.  Another great 
> book is the Tao of Sexuality which teaches the healing arts through sex - 
> positions to take to clear / heal the other.  Now, our society tends to 
> be  derisive about this, but wow, wouldn't that make for a great 
> profession!!! 
>  
> Most of all, no guilt.  Smile, suffer a little sometimes, but know that 
> it is wonderfully natural, and tends to get stronger with the coming of 
> spring..... 
>  
> jan 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:54:47 -0600 
From: "Teresa W. Carrigan" <carriganATnospamwebmart.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: trembling 
Message-Id: <9702161354.AA26606ATnospamns.inw.net> 
 
Friends:
 
At 10:52 2/16/97 GMT, Tyrone wrote: 
>I have a question for everyone.When you get the shaking or trembling,are 
>you breathing in or out?I've noticed that I'm usually breathing in.When 
>the trembling starts. Thanks everone for the welcome.
 
 I never thought about it before you asked.  From the small sample 
SINCE you asked, I'd have to say it was when I was breathing OUT, though! 
And continuing through several breaths, but it seemed stronger while 
breathing out.
 
[But then, I tend to do things backwards and upside down...]
 
><>  <><  ><>  <><  ><>  <><  ><>  <><  ><>  <><  ><>  <><   
 God bless you! 
  -   Teresa 
Teresa W. Carrigan		"Shared pain is lessened; 
carriganATnospamwebmart.net	 	 shared joy is increased."
 
 \o/   \o/   \o/   \o/   \o/   \o/   \o/   
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:39:02 -0800 
From: Jan Watson <jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Tami - 2 
Message-ID: <33076256.34B2ATnospamsympatico.ca> 
 
 
Hi Tami
 
I guess I'm writing again because I'm feeling uncomfortable - not with what I  
wrote, but with what I did not write.  Part of me is logical, linear,  
common-sensical and it was from this perspective that I wrote. 
The other part is the Mystic and it is from here that I will write now.
 
The union of two people can also be a holy, magical, mystical act of pure  
love that transcends ordinary relationship.  It is a metaphor for the  
ultimate union of ourselves to ourselves and ourselves to the All.  It's  
power is awesome.   One day, I wish for you to experience out of body ecstacy  
as well - two people totally joined with no body interferring, no bodyd which  
retains in its cells earthy emotions such as fear, inhibition etc.  The  
chakra's join, and a new and different light emerges around the two that I  
have never seen since....  It is not just a release of sexual tension;  the  
two do become one as Holy texts instruct.  
 
  It is also man's way of 'playing' at death.  It is no accident that orgasm  
was known as 'the little death'.  We lost our egos at the moment of ecstacy  
and form a union deeper than is possible while we retain an ego centered  
focus.  It allows us to escape into 'no time'.  (Which is why frigidity is  
sometimes a major factor in sexuality:  fear of letting go towards the Void -  
the fear of not returning...
 
It is also the energy of mother earth in us - male and female alike.  It is  
no accident that spring release the flow of sexuality in a stronger way.  It  
is probably no accident that I often have spontaneous orgasms just working in  
my flower garden with  the warm earth flowing through my fingers.  No wonder  
I love gardening.  <chuckle, chuckle>  Let it flow through you and know that  
you are dust as it is and that you are also the spirit that animates it and  
wills it into life.  
 
There is a time for sex as innocent play, for sex as a way of sensing your  
new power, for sexuality as a way of growing in love, and in spirituality.   
Take your time and discover them all.  In the mean time, if you learn to draw  
that energy into and up the spine, you can also use it to clear the 3rd, 4th  
and 5th chakras. 
 
I wish you the best on your new journey 
 
jan 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:59:20 +0100 
From: Stephane Marconi <stefan.marconiATnospamschp5.unige.ch> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: new to the k-list  
  
Message-Id: <33076718.529EATnospamschp5.unige.ch> 
 
 
hi everyone,
 
it is an honor to add my voice to your melodies.
 
I subscribed a week ago and after my first week-end I was scared( this word will come 
back often!) at the 
amount of mail this list generates. Still, I'm sure to get useful info.
 
I'm stefan, 25 . I first became aware of the k process in me a couple of 
years ago after an experience which I will describe later. From the 
information I gathered since then I figured it all really started in my 
 teens. As far as I remember, the evidence from that period are the 
buzzing ears( during ~sleep), heat in specific regions of my body(stomach, 
back), I also once heard a voice say, in a very gentle manner:"wake up" to 
me ; but also, a great fatigue: I used to explain this as if I was 
"leaking". Actually I was quite depressed.
 
Anyway, I must add that I felt split into two . Part of me has always 
trusted God or Divine will or whatever you want to call it, while the 
other couldn't get together and go on about everyday life. This went on 
until I decided and understood I couldn't find a "solution" alone. I will 
not go in all the details of my life, but it can be summed upt to : 
meeting. Either people, music( it has been quite a trigger for me ), 
books,... . So, eventually I met some reiki-like method. Essentially, 
it allowed  me to consciously absorb prana, ki, chi ... . It also 
 involved some very short meditations . This really help me balance my 
mind and body. I now enjoy a good health and everyday is a new day.
 
Get to the point:
 
I cannot really attribute what I'm about to describe, which I call a 
k-crisis, to anything in particular. I was reading "the Book of Miracles" 
at the time, practicing aikido, doing meditations . My experience in these 
short meditations had come to the point where my mind would still itself 
very suddenly;energy would start to flow very strongly on the top of my 
head. At this point I would stop . Anyway, one morning as I was waiting 
for a bus, I sat on a bench and started a short meditation. I usually 
tried to feel one with EVERYTHING. Then there was a sensation on my 
bottom. It grew, it was like a wave vibrating; my body was this wave. I 
resumed the mediation, the bus was arriving. I was quite happy with 
myself.
 
That night, as I was relaxing to go to sleep, the wave sensation came 
back. It started at the bottom of the spine , then disappeared. Then 
something similar started with my head. Something  was growing in a 
wave-like motion.
 
Now, a few month earlier, I had read a book by Gopi Krishna about his 
kundalini experience. So when this happened to me, I knew what it was 
and that it could be "dangerous",i.e. there could be physical consequences.
 
As the wave continued to grow I got scared, I mean really scared. All I 
really wanted now was to stay my little self. I managed to stop the 
expansion. I figured that I didn't want to go through this if I was to be 
scared. 
  
The following days went ok, but at night I was scared to go to sleep, 
because as soon as I would relax, the wave would start again( even very 
faintly). I always managed to fall asleep.
 
After a couple of days, it stopped. I stopped all meditations for many 
months. Still, I needed to know more about this. I read the article by 
Gloria Greco and it rang a bell.
 
Since then, it has come back once or twice. I still get scared and I still 
manage to stop it. The last time it nearly happened was caused by 
my attitude during the day. Let me explain: I spent that day truly loving 
people. It doesn't happen that often. By the end of the day, this attitude 
had changed to accepting life as it is, without trying to control 
everything, accepting the very SOURCE OF LIFE. 
These words may sound very kitsh, but to them corresponds a very physical 
or energetical sensation. That night as I relaxed, my forehead chacra was 
wide open, my heart center also and then  went seemed to be a k-crisis 
started and again I got scared, really scared. My body felt as if it was 
going to vanish. I changed my thought and stopped the whole thing again.
 
The point is:
 
Now, it is important for me to develop this Love, but if it leads to a 
k-crisis it seems as if I'm stuck. I've been very patient about the whole 
process and want to do things "just right".  I'm confident that it will unfold in a 
natural way. Yet I am impatient at the same time; I will therefore welcome any 
words  of advice from experienced people on the k-list.
 
sincerely, stefan. 
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 12:36:35 +0000 
From: Robert Chalmers <csbsATnospamcableinet.co.uk> 
To: Stephane Marconi <stefan.marconiATnospamschp5.unige.ch> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: new to the k-list 
Message-ID: <3306FF4D.1AE1ATnospamcableinet.co.uk> 
 
 
Sounds like you have lots to teach us. Tell us more...
 
In the meantime, may I ramble throught the english language?
 
You are right to follow Love.
 
Love cannot lie or betray you.
 
Love is eternal and incorruptible.
 
Love cannot be exhausted.
 
It has no price and yet is priceless.
 
If it brings pain, it is simply pruning which enables us to grow more 
fruitfully.
 
Love brings ecstacy when all the conditions are right.
 
Love has a name. It is your divine nature.  You need nothing else.
 
Follow Love and you follow God.
 
Follow God and you will find Love.
 
But how can you follow God? You who are so little?
 
Ahh, you cannot follow God... 
 
But you can invite God in.
 
Then you can experience joy completely.
 
Love + God = Joy 
_______________________ 
Poem (Untitled)
 
The Soul that hath a Guest  
Doth seldom go abroad - 
Diviner Crowd at Home - 
Obliterate the need 
 
And Courtesy forbid 
A Host's departure when  
Upon Himself be visiting 
The Emperor of Men -
 
Emily Dickinson
 
 
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