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Creation of the list guidelines.
From: Richard Satin libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com
Subject: Important: Topics of Discussion
Response preferred but not essential
Dear fellow listmembers,
I received a personal email today from someone on the list who
likes it very much, but feels that topics are too tightly
restricted, and should be allowed to naturally open up a bit.
This would enable longer threads, and would allow discussions to
develop which might add insight that would not be as likely to
come out with things as they are now.
On the other hand, now that we have more than 100 members, if we
allow things to go too far away from the subject matter, then
there is the possibility that the list will generate huge
quantities of email. (Of course the digest option is always
available to anyone who would prefer to get their posts in 32k
clumps (15 posts or so at once).)
This particular person brought up the case of the homeopathy
thread recently.
For those of you who are new, that was a conversation between a
few members dealing with the efficacy of homeopathy. One of the
members took a purely "scientific" approach, and likened
omeopathic medicine to plain water. Others tried to defend
homeopathy. Bill Peay (who maintains the Kundalini Resource
Center pages http://aloha.net/~bpeay/kundalini/xindex.html)
and I worked to get the conversation back on track, feeling that
the discussion was off topic and not so useful in terms of a
discussion of kundalini.
My questions to all of you are the following:
1. What are your thoughts on this? Should we be open to posts
and threads which are related, but not exactly dealing with
kundalini?
2. If so, where do we draw the line? If possible, give me some
ideas for guidelines.
3. Do you feel at all hesitant to post? If so, why? Or, why
not?
Following is the stated purpose of this list from the FAQ
(http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kundalin.html), and excerpted
posting guidelines from the old kundalini list.
-------------------------(start)----------------------------
FROM THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FILE:
This list is for the free exchange of information, advice and
friendship among those interested in, undergoing, or in any way
involved with the awakening of Kundalini energy.
By the very nature of the phenomena, such a process touches upon
every aspect of life. As a result, this list is set up to be a
forum in which list members should feel able to post openly on
any subject which is related to this topic.
MESSAGE POSTING GUIDELINES
FROM THE OLD LIST:
For this list to be effective, we ought to have some rules.
These are a few basic ones, and we'll all add to it as we go
along if the need arises. Information in Bold applies to our
"reposting" of the List Server messages on the World Wide Web
"Kundalini Resource Center" Sites.
Please:
1, No flaming. We are all humans and mostly adults who ought to
respect each other.
2. No preaching. If you are religious - fine.
Don't press your views over other peoples head.
3. Discussion outside of the lists purpose, which is to make the
transition to an Awakened Kundalini easier and with more
confidence, should be discussed off-list. Only a subset of the
messages specifically relating to kundalini will be reposted on
the Web Server.
4. No "I quite agree"-posts. Waste of bandwidth.
5. No advertising except in the tail of your message.
---------------------(end)--------------------------
Note that 1, 2, and 4 are not under consideration.
We haven't had any problems with flaming, and no longer seem
o be facing issues with "preaching" or personal posts not of
interest to the list.
As for advertising, occassional posts dealing with kundalini
services such as the recent post for SEN are very helpful and
relevant. So the real questions seem to be concerning the
definition of 3.
I hope that everyone will respond to this post, either to the list
(kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com) or to me personally (kundalini-l-ownerATNOSPAMexecpc.com).
My goal is to provide a forum which will meet your needs;
you being those who are undergoing or involved with kundalini
awakening in some way. Let's hear what your thoughts are.
Very truly yours,
Richard Satin
--
libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
[8]: From: The Psy-kick Worrier ov Gaia
barneyATNOSPAMsandside.demon.co.uk
Subject: A Q. / List guidelines / Hypnosis is
Phew! Distracted again. Are you sure you don't all own Psion
organisers to record replys where and when they occur to you, k
people? I'm sure some of you are actually psychicly connected to
your keyboards!
First a Q. Am I right in thinking that what appears to me as a
sine wave form of my emotions/progress (ie. this kind of thing
~~~~~ low/high, trusting/skeptical, positive/cynical cycles) is
actually me seeing the spiralling upwards of my soul but in two
dimensions!?
As to list guidelines the important ones to keep in mind are the
purely logistical ones I think; ie.
1. sending private mail where appropriate and then *posting a
summary of the correspondence to the list*.
2. Judicious use of that 'reply to' function. This makes digests
easier to browse without long repostings of already long posts!
Altogether k is interpreted in so many different ways and related
to so many subjects that it would be limiting and unwise to narrow
things down to only 'insights and symptoms' for example.
[3]: From: kashiATNOSPAMlava.net (David A. Katz)
Subject: Gloria/David Dialogue on Topics
All... What follows is a three document dialogue, this being part
1, between Gloria and myself. I was arguing against more freedom
being allowed in the area of Topics, Goria argued for. Gloria won
(I think she cheated - she must have). Perhaps she will convince
you too... It begins with my response to Glorias post entitled
Re: Improtant Topics of Discussion. I set out to "correct"
her...
Dear Gloria,
You wrote: "I've had the distinct impression that people are
drawn to this group discussion not because of kundalini, although
it is an interesting topic, but because of the honesty and perhaps
even some of the extreme differences in communication techniques,
and the forces that are working here, both positive and negative."
**** I think you are mistaken. As someone who has experienced
(literally seen, felt and begun to dissolve as a separate entity
into) the Light and Joy of kundalini (aka 'God') shooting up my
spine into the anahat (heart) chakra, I am not drawn to this
discussion group because of "differences in communication
techniques" nor "the forces that are working here, both
positive and negative". I am drawn, and I believe most people
here are drawn to this discussion group to garner the inspiration
which will hasten the process of enlightenment (and I, for one,
have not been disappointed.
There has been much inspiration from my fellow travelers along the
path.
Indeed, you yourself have been a source of inspiration) ****
You also wrote:>" People are so attached to words and so easily
miss what is at the heart of a communication because of
words/vibrations/and preconceived thoughts, etc. And, BECAUSE OF
FEAR AND WANTING TO CONTROL THINGS."
*****Absolutely*********
And then you added: "The only way to move with divine will is to
allow it to control ones life WHICH includes this mailing list,
doesn't it?"
*****Yes, but that does not mean we should "flow" into any
discussion whatsoever without regard to topic. There must be
discipline and guidelines or the goal -- inspiration and guidance
towards the awakening of the kundalini -- will be lost sight of
in very short order. Your repsonse might be that God will guide
and inspire and to that I must say the exercise of one's
discipline and will towards the achievement of union with God
ENABLES such inspiration and guidance, it does not hinder it.
If "letting go" and "flowing" were the way of it then all the
great sages of India were wrong. They all taught strict
Self-discipline and scourging psycho-physiological techniques for
awakening the kundalini and experiencing the beatific vision of
God, our Higher Self. I dare say if we were seated before one of
the great masters he or she would not long tolerate the kind of
free flow discussion you are advocating. One's gaze must be
flawless - the goal never lost sight of. The notion that any
topic must surely be divinely inspired or lead to such is nonsense
(forgive the harsh term please). We are given a compass, the
topic of this discussion group, to guide us and inspire us and
transport us towards God. You and others are suggesting we throw
the compass to the wind. I say you are wrong in this, that the
discussions will deteriorate in quality and value in short order.
***********
G wrote: This is a world of opposites, until people learn to
observe the opposites and flow with what is there in that moment,
it is just another illusion all around. Does anyone hear and
understand what I'm saying? FOR ME THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE!
Gloria
***** Indeed, this is a world of opposites. But the topic of this
discussion group is THE phenom. which TRANSCENDS ALL OPPOSITES.
To attain to it requires focusing on those thoughts, acts, and
characteristics within the realm of duality which bring one within
close proximity (ie; sattvic qualities) - from there it is up to
God to lift us up. That requires DISCRIMINATION and DISCIPLINE.
Perhaps you are suggesting that by constant, vigilant awareness of
the duality present in each moment one can transcend that duality
and enter into communion with God? I would say great if you can
do it, but few have such a level of jnana (wisdom) to succeed.
Be that as it may, the path of jnana is not the subject of this
discussion group.
I hope you will not take offense with my disagreement. I read
and enjoy your postings a great deal, I just disagree with you on
this point of a free-flow discussion and on the reason for some of
us participating in this forum. Kundalini is not a peripheral
topic, it is central (it is not irda or pingala, it is shushumna).
In Light and Joy (sometimes, alas only sometimes),
David
[4]: From: kashiATNOSPAMlava.net (David A. Katz)
Subject: Dialogue, part 2
What follows is Gloria's surgical strike to the heart of the
issue...
David,
Your discussion is an example, look at what you explained, and
yes I agree, there needs to be great inner self discipline with
each person, but that isn't to say that people on the list haven't
shown that. How long have we been doing this, a couple of months
or maybe three? We've moved along with some discussions that were
very insightful and it has only brought us to even more in depth
conversations. This one for instance, yes and yes, we certainly
must work through meditation and dream work in balancing the
energies we work through, and when people connect up to spirit and
real communication, this helps each person to follow the same
discipline while yet, allowing the free flow to take place. What
I'm saying, is this kind of stimulation that came through what I
threw out is meaningful because it is real. And, all who are
reading it are thinking and asking within what does this mean. And
what would it be to be to flow with the spirit knowing that it
would be right, with each of us using our spiritual discipline to
remain centered and ride the wave together. This is what I'm
saying. I say we have already connected, and something is
happening here that is attracting others. As the bond within the
core group becomes strong, the foundation is already set and the
spirit will guide and direct the communication. This may be far
out on faith to you, but I've watched it manifest so many times I
just can't count them. It starts from this very vibration and
then, something really wonderful happens. I call these magic
moments, and what makes it happen is people really going within,
asking, opening, listening, contributing, and totally believing
that God is in charge. Tell me how this fits for you? I loved what
you said. Gloria
[5]: From: kashiATNOSPAMlava.net (David A. Katz)
Subject: Dialogue, part 3
RETREAT!!!
Gloria,
I do understand what you are saying and after due reflection
have decided you are right. The Spirit will guide us. I noticed
a factor I had ignored -- Why People End Up In This Group. What
worried me was the potential for discussions without any remote
connection to the very purpose of the group. But I was
excluding, as you mentioned, the "faith factor" in terms of how
people are guided INITIALLY to find this discussion group and why
people would remain in this discussion group... That first step,
stumbling upon or deliberately seeking this internet address is
without a doubt anything but the result of chance. We are guided,
and those who join this group do so by the prompting of God. That
being the case, they are without a doubt prepared to keep on topic
and offer valuable additions to the discussions. I did not figure
that into the equation. Your response triggered this knowing.
We are guided and you and the others who are "lobbying:" for
more freedom of movement in discussion are, in my revised opinion,
right. I yield (in faith).
End of Dialogue
[6]: From: kennerlyATNOSPAMmindspring.com (Rick Kennerly)
Subject: Re: Important: Topics of Discussion
I joined this list because in my off line life I do not know
anyone who is experiencing what I am experiencing. I am a mental
health professional yet I question my own sanity at times with
what I am experiencing. I signed up to hear the thoughts and
experiences of others, and in good time share my own. I did not
sign up to hear about homeopathy or any other topic, there are
other places to talk about other things. There are so many
messages coming at me now that I am pressed for time to read them
all, so please lets stay on topic. Thanks
Rick
Date: Sun, 14 Jul kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 51
[1] From: kashiATNOSPAMlava.net (David A. Katz)
Subject: A Final Message Before I Go
Dear Eveyone,
This will probably be my last message to the group (a great
cheer goes up from the crowd!). I have waited and waited for
someone, anyone, to take a stand with me on this issue but noone
has. To say I am in the minority is far more than an
understatement.
My decision was made for me after reading Debee's ' View'
message. It is clear that most if not all of the listmembers
share this View. It is a view which I will sum up here in less
glowing terms than Debee used:
"Close your eyes and it will go away."
No need to close your eyes all. I am going away. Enjoy your
freedom.
May it lead you to God's Bliss. I have nothing but love for all
of you, though sharp disagreements with some. Disagreements are
not the death of love.
I have learned much from this list, from these discussions. I
have been inspired and guided. This discussion group has
rekindled in me a degree of the spiritual fire which has been
burning very dimly of late. I am eternally grateful to you all
for this.
That being said, I must reiterate that I cannot and will not
stand by and mutely witness a celebration of neutrality. The
spiritual path is the last place one should practice neutrality on
matters of principle and practice. While this method worked for
your daughter, Debee, in her circumstances at the time, it does
not work on the Path to God. There are rules that must be
followed. The rules are few, but they are set in stone.
In Vedanta it is said that one should not even let ones eyes
fall upon a member of the opposite sex, lest it inspire the
thought of sex.
And I remind you all that the greatest proponent of non-violence
in recent memory, Mahatma Gandhi, stated he never stood for
"passive" resistance or passive anything. There is a time when
one must stand up and shout, "No, you are wrong, you are going the
wrong way." That is what I have attempted to do here. This
notion of "live and let live" and the erroneous conclusion that
everyone's opinion is valid astound me. And my amazement has
grown with the gadual awareness that I am alone in this view on
this list.
You see everyone, when I joined this list, I thought I was among
people of like mind. It has taken me a while to realize
otherwise.
To those I have offended, my sincerest apologies.
Interestingly, nothing has been said of my having been
offended. But this goes hand in hand with the notion that
anything goes except, God forbid, guidelines. Oh no, you are all
saying, we musn't have any guidelines for our discussions.
Let us wander any and all random by-ways on our search for God.
They are all roads after all, and who would dare say "this one
leads to heaven, but this one does not"? Well, I dare say it.
And if my knowledge of the Path is not welcome here then I will go
on alone. It is very strange, you are all crying out for a map
to paradise, but when someone shouts "you are going the wrong way"
you are outraged.
I will linger for a while (like a bad cold). But I will
contribute no more. And, in a few days, even the lingering will
end. If any of you would like to keep in touch, please do. My
e-mail address is kashiATNOSPAMlava.net
God bless you all with an ever-increasing awareness of His/Her
Light and Joy within your hearts.
With Sincere Gratitude,
David
---------------------------------------------------
Debee wrote:
Once many years ago, my daughter (now 19) returned home from
elementary school in tears. Her tiny world was being torn apart.
I knew in my heart that "This too shall pass" and that it wasn't
anything of major concern, but on the outside, I was very
concerned and attentive to what she had to say. You see, while
inwardly I knew this situation would fade into a memory, it was a
very big concern in her bright, teary eyes and was not to be taken
lightly.
She began telling me that her friends had divided into two
factions. I don't remember the issue which caused this division,
only that a division was the result. They put an ultimatum to
her, CHOOSE A SIDE. This was her dilemma. She explained to me
that she had friends in both groups and was torn as to which side
to choose. I asked her some questions concerning the issue. If
you select side (A), will someone on side (B) be hurt? "Yes" was
her reply. If you select side (B), will someone on side (A) be
hurt? Once again, her reply was "Yes." I asked her another
question. "If your feelings are hurt or you become angry over
something someone did or did not do, which heals faster?" She
thought on this a few moments and said, "The anger goes away
faster." I then asked her if she wanted to risk hurting someone
by making a choice.
She answered with a firm NO.
She was still no closer to making a decision. I asked her to
consider not choosing a side at all. She was leaning a bit
towards one faction in this issue already. I suggested that she
maintain a neutral stand and not choose a side at all. I
suggested that in taking this type of stand, people might be angry
for a short while, but they wouldn't have to endure the hurt of
'feeling rejected'. Her tiny face lit up through the tears as she
had not thought of this option.
The following day I sent her off to school with an embrace, and
a kiss. I told her I knew she'd do the right thing. The day
passed and she returned home from school. She bounced in as if
nothing in the world had been going on. She was so bubbly and
excited. I was very curious and soon had the complete story. She
went to school and as expected, was approached by her friends and
asked what side she chose. She told them none. They were
shocked! After all, she had to make a choice and her personal
choice was not in their list of options! They were angry as we
both suspected they might be. She explained her position to them.
"If I choose this side, my friends in that side might be hurt.
If I choose that side, then you might be hurt. I won't choose
any side and will still be friends with everyone who wants to be
my friend."
The other kids were caught totally off guard. It was the act
of not allowing herself to be caught up in the struggle which
allowed the entire situation to diffuse. Before lunch, everyone
was friends once again and the problem faded into a memory. My
daughter however, learned a very important lesson in life.
Limitation:
The person who is limited in heart and thought is inclined to
love that which is limited in life, and the weak-sighted cannot
see more than one cubit ahead upon the path he treads, nor more
than one cubit of the wall upon which he rests his shoulder. --
Khalil Gibran
What does this have to do with Kundalini? I'll let you be the
judge.
Blessed Be, Debee
From: Stevie
Subject: Re: A Final Message Before I Go
On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, David A. Katz wrote:
Dear Eveyone,
To those I have offended, my sincerest apologies.
Interestingly, nothing has been said of my having been
offended. But this goes hand in hand with the notion that
anything goes except, God forbid, guidelines. Oh no, you are all
saying, we musn't have any guidelines for our discussions.>>>
Steve wrote:
I'm sorry I haven't commented... I've been laughing! I wish I
could share that with you over the net... I wish we could laugh
together, I mean.
Sincerely,
Stevie
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96
From: Richard Satin
Subject: ADMIN: Summary of New Kundalini List Guidelines
Dear List Members,
Here is a summary of the new guidelines for the list.
I will repost these guidelines every few weeks for the benefit of
new members and to serve as a gentle "reminder" to everyone else -
myself included. As always, these constitute a framework only
which is subject to change if necessary. So, here goes:
1. Please don't quote any more of a post in your reply than
necessary.
The optimum is not to quote anything at all except what is needed
to put your comment in perspective. DO NOT post "I agree" notes
to the list. And especially do not post "I agree" notes which
quote a 7k long post!!! Your fellow list members thank you.
2. Take "private" jokes, conversations, etc. off line. Do not
post anything which is of interest to only one person to the list
in general. Remember: everything which is posted to the list is
rebroadcast to more than 140 people. Keep this in mind, and post
privately whenever appropriate.
This is treating others with respect and consideration.
3. Try to make your header convey the subject of the post
accurately. This will really pay dividends to you and others.
Take the extra 10 seconds. If you are posting a personal
experience, try something like SUBJECT: Personal Experience. If
it about a book you enjoyed, try SUBJECT: Kundalini book. You get
the idea. Make it specific when you can. This will help the rest
of the list members key in to the posts that are of interest to
them. In addition, you will find that more people will read
your post. Many members (myself included) find ourselves deleting
tens of posts at a time, because we simply run out of time to keep
up.
The list is serving a great purpose. Almost everyone had kind
words to say. So it looks like we are succeeding to a very great
degree. I know that I am very thankful to be able to play a role
in this list.
Very truly yours, Richard
libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
.................................
Don't worry about what the world wants from you, worry about
what makes you come more alive. Because what the world really
needs are people who are more alive.
-Lawrence Le Shan
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96
From: Richard Satin
Subject: ADMIN: New Kundalini List Guidelines.
Please Read and Save.
Dear List Members,
Thank you very much to the large number of you which responded
publicly or privately to my questions about the list's direction.
I especially appreciated the comments I received from people who
have not yet posted to the list. Hopefully you will feel
comfortable enough to share with others some of the things you
hinted to in your emails. You are of great importance to the rest
of us.
While I didn't have time to respond to most of the emails, I want
you to know that I read each of them very carefully, and pondered
everything you had to say. Of course there were a whole range of
responses. But there were certain themes which continued to
repeat themselves. These ideas have been summarised in this
letter.
The following letter from a member seems to capture the feelings
of most of who responded.
----------(excerpt)------------------------------
Regarding the list:
1) Volume -- seems high. I can keep up if I checked mail daily,
but Mondays and post-vacation are problems. I use e-mail at work
and don't have my own computer.
2) Moderated vs. unmoderated list.
...many posts have seemed to be remarks better addressed to the
individual, or simply "chatty" with no immediate context. I'm
more interested in the phenomenology of kundalini activity, how it
fits into our models of reality, and how people deal with it. I'm
not particularly interested in clever, off-the-cuff remarks.
3) Have I been offended? My gut response to the IMHO comment was
that someone was trying to be clever while not answering the
question. So not only was it potentially insulting to gay/lesbian
groups, it also denigrated an honest query by not answering.
4) How should the list be changed? Less chat. Helpful responses.
More accounts of awakening.
---------------(end excerpt)------------------------
At the end of this post are more excerpts for those of you who are
interested. Here is what I propose to "tweak" the list a bit so
as to better serve all of our members. These guidelines will be
incorporated in the faq (frequently asked questions) file for the
list. I ask all of us to try to conscientiously stick to these.
Very few of you want a moderated list. I don't really care to
take the time to do that, and I agree with the people who
suggested that such a thing would eliminate the "freedom" we have
with this vehicle as it stands. So, as long as we can all try to
work within this framework, it will not be necessary to go
"moderated" at this time.
I will repost these guidelines every few weeks for the benefit
of new members and to serve as a gentle "reminder" to everyone
else - myself included. As always, these constitute a framework
only which is subject to change if necessary. So, here goes:
1. Please don't quote any more of a post in your reply than
necessary. The optimum is not to quote anything at all except what
is needed to put your comment in perspective. DO NOT post "I
agree" notes to the list. And especially do not post "I agree"
notes which quote a 7k long post!!! Your fellow list members
thank you.
2. Take "private" jokes, conversations, etc. off line. Do not
post anything which is of interest to only one person to the list
in general. Remember: everything which is posted to the list is
rebroadcast to more than 140 people. Keep this in mind, and post
privately whenever appropriate.
This is treating others with respect and consideration.
3. Try to make your header convey the subject of the post
accurately. This will really pay dividends to you and others.
Take the extra 10 seconds. If you are posting a personal
experience, try something like SUBJECT: Personal Experience.
If it about a book you enjoyed, try SUBJECT: Kundalini book. You
get the idea. Make it specific when you can. This will help the
rest of the list members key in to the posts that are of interest
to them. In addition, you will find that more people will read
your post. Many members (myself included) find ourselves deleting
tens of posts at a time, because we simply run out of time to keep
up.
The list is serving a great purpose. Almost everyone had kind
words to say. So it looks like we are succeeding to a very great
degree. I know that I am very thankful to be able to play a role
in this list.
Very truly yours, Richard
----------------(other comments follow)-----------------
"I look forward to checking my e mail everyday, because I
know there will be posts there from my fellow list members.!"
"All these things have helped me move out of a bad spot, and I
feel like I'm blossoming again."
There are a large number of people on the list, who are feeling
frustrated. The main reason for this seems to be the "private
conversations" which should really be taken off line.
"I have never posted to the list...You see, that's a problem, I
think I have interesting thing to contribute, but cannot do it
with all this chat going on.
"I have a feeling that the people I will reach with my
ommunication: the effective, creative, spiritual, busy people with
long experience and good knowledges of the k-litterature and
similar things leave the list after a few weeks lurking. The
signal-to-noise level is to low for them. They don't have the
time and patience to select the raisins.
"(I waste a lot of time erasing all these chat-noises. I erase at
a high velocity, and do sometimes miss the signal, at least the
value of the signals is decreased... a kind of hopelessness...)
>4. How would you like to see the list changed? Or, do you like
it just the way it is?
I want everybody to ask silent:
1. Is this necessary to post?
2. Is this close to the topic of kundalini?
3. Is this private communication? In that case I will post it
directly.
The problem is that, say 10 persons currently posting, are
emotionally upset by what is happening with them. They need
support, and have found that they can use the list as a private,
therapeutic and pep-talk line. They don't realise that they misuse
the list for hundreds of others. They don't realise that this list
gets a too great turnover. There is a natural selection of people.
The dominating type of talks draw people of same kind, other
people unsubscribe. The results is a narrow, boring and unstable
list.
While this type of ongoing conversation might be interesting to
the few who are participating in it - and they might be learning
alot about themselves through the arguement - BUT.......It would
be nice to see a little more discernment being put into use.
I would say that I think there are a lot of posts like the
response ones that are me too etc. kinds of posts that should be
sent privately. One of the lists I am on occasionally posts
reminders to post those types of response privately and reminding
them to keep the posts mainly to list topics. I believe there is
a "safe place atmophere" when you can post slightly (and I mean
slightly) off topic such as support etc. which allows more freedom
to post from your heart when you are going through such heavy
spiritual changes and being able to say whats really happening for
you.
WAY TOO MUCH. I consider unsubscribing at least once a day.
1) Way too much mail. I've been a subscriber for about 3-4
weeks now and I am amazed at how much mail there is. I delete
threads at a time, it's just too time consuming to read through
everything.
Also, some subscribers post many times a day, which seems to me
to be a bit insensitive to those of us who work outside the home
full time and can't possilbly wade through 68 mail messages when
we get home and consequently have to delete the entire batch.
It's easy enough,..just keep the subject where it belongs...
KUNDALINI!
I second this motion.
I joined the list to discuss, learn, and listen to others about
experiences, techniques for working with, understandings, etc.
with and about kundalini.
I understand we may each have different perspectives, and I'd like
to request that if you have something to share which relates to
the topic of kundalini, please clarify how you see that it relates
if it might not be apparent to others.
It has been a bit much lately, especially multiple postings by
individuals which are often responses to others which perhaps
would have been better off directed to the individual than to
the list.
unmoderated list for two reasons:
(1) you already give so much of your energy (read time, money
etc.) to this list I believe it would be a great burden to have to
moderate this list.
(2) I am more in favor of a self-moderated list wherein we help
remind each other (gently and lovingly) when we stray.
but list members need to reply to individual members whenever the
topic applies just to that member, and they can usually delete the
original message when it is posted on the list.
YES. 90%+ is banal, trite and off subject. Most posters cannot
differentiate between kundalini and pysczophrenia[sp?]. This is
not a feel good group for general malaise. So much of this needs
to be handled thru private e-mail.
I'm fussing a lot but there's the occasional jewel that justifies
sorting through the dregs.
I feel the volume of mail needs to be reduced. Lets us start
with not posting to the list comments like "I liked that",
"agree with you" etc.
Moderated list is not a bad idea either.
just remind the list repeatedly to keep messages clean and short
while retaining the valuable parts. Like by not including the
original message in full since we all have already received it,
especially the "I AGREE" 's which include the whole original
message. I'd just like to say that for me it's not a matter of
network resources. I use ISDN and have lots of room for excess
baggage.
It just takes me longer to browse for meaningful content.
What does get tiresome, though, are inside conversations that are
posted to everybody. I understand that they lend spontenaity and
a sense of group-ness, and some back-and-forth stuff has been
quite interesting, like the guru discussion, but given the volume
of mail, taking the time to pull up a message of 2 or 3 words
makes me sigh.
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I really need the contact with other kindred souls, but in my
opinion, the general line of discussion has reduced itself to mere
chat as opposed to what I thought the original intent was. There
is far too many responses that should really be sent to the
original poster rather than to the list and in doing so, clogs
everyone else's mail box with things that are really irrelevant.
I may be way off base about this, but it seems to me that some of
the folks who are most experienced with kundalini have become
strangely silent, my guess being that the sheer volume has
overwhelmed them or they simply lost interest since the subject
seems to have strayed.
Those people who I originally loved hearing from were Jean Tracy,
El Collie, Graham D. etc. We all need the wisdom these people
have.
I would welcome a moderated list if only for the reason that it
seems now to have gone out of control and needs to return to the
original reason it was started, so we can all learn. It is fine
to let folks speak their minds but at some point that infringes on
the abilities of others to participate.
I definitely think that the list has gotten way off base.
Kundalini is a methodology which no one is discusing.
My preference is a self-moderated list, which means we might have
to remind one another from time to time about how to keep the list
as we would like it. Only if that proves not to work would I vote
for a moderated list.
As someone pointed out, Wendy has started a channel on IRC
undernet and a few of us have met there at times for more
general chatting. All are welcome to join.
However once in a while their have been hostile posts from folks
who did want to offend. I have been the object of such posts
myself. Guidelines might help here. I always assume that such
people perhaps don't fully realize the pain they cause.
What does trouble me is that those few hostile posts may prevent
some people from either being on the list who need it, or prevent
some from posting who could be very helpful to others. I'm not
sure how to solve that one, except if it is blatant to ask them
to stop, and/or remove them from the list if necessary.
libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996
From: Joe Patrick Flarity
Subject: Re: Too Much Mail!
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Aaron said:
I know I'm just adding mail by sending this, but if it bothers me,
it must be bothering others too.
Their are so many people all interacting on this mailing list that
I often spend a half hour deleting other people's resposes.
If your mail is a response that doesn't warrent a public
appearance, send it directly to the person your responding to. "I
liked your message" is a perfectly good response, and often means
alot to the person, but it doesn't need to be on the main list.
Also, when quoting someone, might I suggest editing the quote or
paraphrasing. I don't need to read someone's entire mail to
understand how your responding to one little peice of it.
If you feel like your message would be useful to multiple people
on the list, that is when it should be posted.
Sorry to sound like a grinch
Aaron
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Hey, me too. (I am sorry ya'll, but I couldn't resist.)
But if you have made it this far, I do have an additional morsel
of truth that I have resisted posting because I am still trying to
resolve the incongruity: Why would K aware folks not follow the
standard guidelines of this list and most others?
If this post caused of touch of remose--there is an immediate
cure. Go to your mail preferences section and take off the
"repeat message on reply" option. Now you only have to remember
to eliminate "me too" and "thank you" list posts and 90% of the
problem is solved.
During this busy time of the year, I do not have time to read 33
messages a day and I have started to delete responses that I feel
have a high probability of the above. Since I am an ardent list
reader, I assume others have been even more aggressive.
Don't let this continue as most of your responses are
treasures.
Love, Joe
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