To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/12/27 12:19
Subject: [K-list] Tantrika Mahasiddhas?
From: Tony O'Clery
On 1999/12/27 12:19, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
Namaste Brothers and Sisters,
The concept of Avatar is really not a concept that can
carry over so easily. It is erroneously translated as
, Messiah, God walks on Earth, Mehdi etc. The word
means cross-down and Sai says we are all Avatars, the
difference being Awareness that manifests in
childhood. However there are other concepts that
describe the same condition; Jivanmukti, or Tantrika
Siddha, Mahasiddha, Mahasakti.
Tantra is a very secretive sadhana, and is older than
the Vedas, older than Adam and Eve, for it is the
Continuum. Some sadhakas follow a system that involves
use of the sex organs, Kundalini ojas etc, and this
is misunderstood by Westerners and Hindu
Fundamentalists particularly.
Not by all Hindus, the more enlightened Vedantists
are more understanding of what it is, even if it is
not their 'bag', so to speak, like myself. One first
has to understand that morality is relative to a
society and that there is ultimately no bad or good,
only that which achieves Moksha. This tantric system
is called antinomianism, pratilo-man, against the
norm, paravritti-inversion, Mai-thuna or ritualised
sexual intercourse.
Tantra is quite secretive but there are some hints,
starting with Siva/Sakti, quoting the Artharva Veda,
Magic-Conjuring, Ateeta-Sakti-Hynotism,(mass
hypnotism), smoking Bhanga, Vijaya, (Cannabis).
Bliss is bliss, sexual bliss is fleeting but it is the
Sakti. This is why people are attached to it, it is
the nearest they get to the ecstasy, of Samadhi. It
is used by some tantric schools to induce sustained
ecstasy leading to a kind of Savikalpa Samadhi,
obviously not Nirvikalpa.
They say it is possible for one Tantrika
Siddha,(Mahasiddha/Avatar), to raise, or lift the
karma of entire humanity. This has never been achieved
by any Avatar or Divine Descent yet! So-Ham by the way
is a tantric mantra. It is my belief that much of the
misunderstanding, is due to ignorance of the tantra,
and energies etc.
My guess is that these tales we hear, from time to
time, from all over, about strange group sex and dope
etc are due to this misunderstanding. Unless one can
take one's mind back before religion and even back
beyond the Tantric parable of Adam and Eve, back
before right and wrong, one will not understand any of
this. Not all Tantra is overtly sexual of course.
What is good in one age may be the reverse in another
age, it is all relative. The big block to
understanding spirituality and liberation is
unnecessary fundamentalism. West or East.
Love, Tony.
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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
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