To: K-list 
Recieved: 1999/12/22  05:03  
Subject: [K-list] Re:Shootout 
From: Mhortling
  
On 1999/12/22  05:03, Mhortling posted thus to the K-list: 
Hi Howard, Amanda, Sudipt et al. !
 
Lay in bed last night & couldn't sleep for awhile with a loud party going on  
somewhere in the house. The recent discussion on pain, yoga-sutras etc. came  
back to me, and after some contemplative mulling over, this is what my mind  
still came up with:
 
Squabbling about experiences and the validity thereof is silly - all  
experiences happen within the One Life, no point of view or path is  
ultimately "truer" than the other. Division is only created in the mind, it's  
not really real.
 
What I also suspect I feel somewhere deep down in the cavernous recesses of  
my  consciousness, is something like a touch of ENVY towards people, who can  
claim with confidence that there is no pain in Kundalini, Kundalini is only  
grace etc. Silly, unenlightened,  but there we are.
 
And Amanda wrote:
 
>>But isn't it that one is suppose to do, descend 
>>into hell with both eyes open... 
>>both the personal and interpersonal hell... 
>>at least I enjoy it... some day I will do it for real... the nether realms.. 
..<<
 
Amanda, absolutely no offense taken, it's a great attitude  & I love the  
quote on the devil - tantric to the max...
 
Problem for me was, that when the mind was in a state of complete melancholia  
or shaken by gut-wrenching anxiety, it seemed very hard to keep my eyes open  
and enjoy the sights.
 
For me this particular discussion is now officially closed
 
Be well everybody, all the best 
Michael
 
    
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