kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 259
1 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996
From: Eagle
Subject: hellooooooooooooooooooooo
Helllllllooooooooo
Where is everyone tonight?
I have received no mail except my own posts tonight.
OH CRY!!!!!! Every one ascended and left me behind!!
If there is anyone out there please talk to me and tell
me I am not here alone.
The only mail I have received today are from me!
-
Laughing!!
You know, as I type this, I realise it is really easy for me to think I
am actually here alone and begin to really believe all this stuff about
life and the universe being an illusion of our own creation. And that
everything and everyone in our illusion is there because we created them.
And that if we did not continue to hold the thoughts of our creations,
they would just vanish, like so much stardust.
I live alone, so there are no people wondering thru my evenings.
There is absolutely no list traffic tonight. Not from any of the three
lists that I am on! And no private posts either.. And as I write this,
I have begun to listen to outside noises. Only to find that even the
local street traffic is silent. There have been no trains on a track
that normally has one every hour. No dogs barking. Silence!! Just the
noise of my heater and the clicking of the keys.
I am surrounded and overwhelmed by the silence. And the more intently I
listen, the more I find silence. Even the wind has stopped blowing, and
the wind chimes outside my window aren't singing just now. Silence seems
to have moved into my space.
With all the silence with which I am surrounded, I find myself waiting..
waiting... listening... knowing that something is about to happen and
wanting to not miss it. Whatever it is. I am waiting.
Perhaps the angels are preparing to sing and start the final process of
Ascension. :) And I am waiting...
I do find that I enjoy the silence. And I usually dont question the
silence. Only when it suddenly surrounds me like a blanket.
The one night when I dont have a dozen different things to do and could
respond to posts as they come in, and... there are none!
Blessings of Love and Light to all.
Sybil Soaring Eagle
--
"Silence is the element
in which great things fashion themselves."
--Carlyle, Sartor Resartus
2 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Tim Duna
Subject: A Question of DNA
A question to all of you who can answer. I have heard that kundalini
changes one's DNA, how so? Are the results mesurable, and have any of you
on the list gotten your DNA tested before, during and after the K cleaning?
I myself have noticed that I have gotten more lines in the palms of my
hands, and deeper ones too. I figured this to be because more of my true
energy is now able to flash into this reality, where before it was tied up
in the aura as karma. I wonder if this is a reflection of changed DNA or
not? I wonder also if this energy flashing is the reasoning behind the
changed DNA in kundalini raising or not? This idea of energy flashing on
and off in this reality is from the Seth books btw, in case some are
wondering what I am talking about.
Tim
3 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: hyperATNOSPAMhmt.com (HyperMedia Technologies)
Subject: Kundalini Resource
For those of you new to the list, or if you didn't know, I host a Kundalini
resource center on my web server. The resource is maintained by our good
friend Bill Peay, who resides in beautiful Hawaii.
The server address is:
http://hmt.com/
-
Go to the Spiritual section
If you're interested in the non-profit martial arts group I mentioned in a
previous post, it's also in the Spiritual section. There's an excellent
graphic of the lineage.
Good Sadhana,
-
Martin
4 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Richie Suraci
Subject: Adventures of Doc KUNDA and LINI
We have created two New Age motion picture characters based on the TANTRIC
KUNDALINI teachings of India, seven stories about the about the tantric
adventures of Doc Thomas KUNDA and LINI LaFontaine in
TEMPLE TO THE GODDESS OF THE SUN
NUAR THE GATEKEEPER
FALSE YOGI
SECRET OF MEDITATION
-
CAVE OF EVIL
Scripts six and seven are in development. To listen to the audio book
versions go to http://ww2.audionet.com/pub/books/fineart/fineart.htm
You must have Real Audio Player installed in your browser to listen to the
shows.
We are also having an open casting call for the motion picture versions of
these
projects. Send resume and resent full body photo to Fine Art Productions,
Richie Suraci Pictures, MultiMedia, InterActive, 67 Maple St., Newburgh, NY
12550-4034, email rs7.fapATNOSPAMmhv.net
Richie
5 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Paco
Subject: re: Drug Zone (3)
Ori,
My teacher said something about this a while back...
he has never taken any illicit drugs, however we were discussing
them and he said, in reference to marijuana, something to the
effect that it causes you to get "stuck" or spend excessive time
in alternate realities or something, I think he actually did say
astral realms. This is a difficult thing for me to really understand,
it just kind of rang a bell when you said something similar. I think
this issue of the effect of drugs may have a side to it that is
very deep and could only be understood in a very high state. (?)
I do know from my days of smoking, and quitting, marijuana,
that I felt trapped in "it" as if it were a place, a life I was
stuck in. After quitting I had nightmares that I had smoked it again
and experienced all the sensations in the dream state, along with
a regret and feeling that I was "back in" the marijuana state, which
had certain emotions, sensations, a certain "haziness" and lack of
"clarity" or something, as well as some perceptions that were actually
enhanced, some thoughts and feelings being like a conscious syrup,
if you will, that I would just melt into and lose track of time,
ego, etc. At one time I was very dependent upon it, but after I
stopped smoking pot, I had a strong aversion to the idea of being back
in that mental state, or "place".
Mushrooms and LSD, although I do not endorse them at all,
were actually far more "cleansing" and "awakening" in some sense,
whereas pot is a very narcotic, potentially addictive substance,
at least for me. And I used to meditate with pot, read the bible
on it (like the rastafarians), work out on it, read Yoga books while
on it, work on it, really try to go beyond and also really get into
different trances on it. But eventually, I found, if you want to
always get better, and benefit from what you do, it has to be you,
and only you. If there's a pot thing always there, if you always need
a bong toke the next day, then you just don't have it, because the
mind is primary. Maybe these ideas will add to what you say, also. later
Paco
-
6 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: A Question of DNA
In a message dated 96-11-30 01:58:34 EST, you write:
>> I myself have noticed that I have gotten more lines in the palms of my
hands, and deeper ones too. >>
Tim... I've noticed the same too... it looks to be a dream hand now for a
palmist to read compared to what it used to be.... but do not know the
significance of it.
xxxtg
7 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: HowardCushATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Tongues
The problem with the tongue mudra is this: the yogis used to slit their
frenulum in order to get it to reach back to the special nectar spot.
Nothing short of this body mutilation will work. Therefore, the nectar is
out of reach for us non-slitters. We are left with a body that's reaching
for something we cannot provide. It's not something one does on purpose --
it often just happens and we're left wondering what to do about it. Like
most weirdnesses in this process, witnessing can be the best posture. Until,
of course, the logical instinctive part needs to take over and then that's
okay, too. The part, I mean, that won't allow tongue rolling at work, or
that decides to tke a muscle relaxer so you can just go to sleep, etc.
In the end, I find there to be a big divide on this list between people who
have these experiences and are trying to learn how best to flow with them,
and others who are seeking the experiences or seeking ways to control or
increase or change the experience. Not a right or wrong thing, just a
difference. In my own case, I have enough trouble just hangining with what
it brings, so I don't spend anytime trying to interfere. Except, as in the
above description, some common sense needs make that necessary.
-
Howard
8 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: hellooooooooooooooooooooo
Eagle wrote:
>
> Helllllllooooooooo
>
> Where is everyone tonight?
>
> I have received no mail except my own posts tonight.
>
> OH CRY!!!!!! Every one ascended and left me behind!!
>
> If there is anyone out there please talk to me and tell
> me I am not here alone.
>
> The only mail I have received today are from me!
>
> Laughing!![snipped]
>
HI sybil,
No, you aren't alone, but it is quiet for right now. People are out in
the holiday spirit I'm sure. So, let me tell you that even though it
appears you are alone, you never are, are you? That is the illusion, but
of course, when you sit in that dead quiet ... it is hard to believe it
is nothing but illusion.
How long have you lived alone? Where are you from? What do you do? Do
you have family around? Questions. I have been blessed with many friends
and family so it isn't fair really to share with you on that level,
however. I always appreciate my quiet time, because I am normally with a
lot of people, or at least my husband. The holidays are said to be the
hardest time for folks who are alone. I published a community newspaper
here in Reno for 12 years, and whenever the holidays came we tried to
put out suggestions that would make it easier for folks living alone.
There are many things you can do just to make sure you are not in that
situation. Make it a point to find another person in your situation and
then come together and create a festive time of just sharing. Beautiful
things can come from that.
Have you checked out my homepage, it is
http://www.inetworld.com/lodpress/
-
Sometimes we choose to have a life spent in that quiet so that we learn
how to cope and go inside more, is that what it is for you? Gloria
9 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: A Question of DNA
Tim Duna wrote:
>
> A question to all of you who can answer. I have heard that kundalini
> changes one's DNA, how so? Are the results mesurable, and have any of you
> on the list gotten your DNA tested before, during and after the K cleaning?
>
> I myself have noticed that I have gotten more lines in the palms of my
> hands, and deeper ones too. I figured this to be because more of my true
> energy is now able to flash into this reality, where before it was tied up
> in the aura as karma. I wonder if this is a reflection of changed DNA or
> not? I wonder also if this energy flashing is the reasoning behind the
> changed DNA in kundalini raising or not? This idea of energy flashing on
> and off in this reality is from the Seth books btw, in case some are
> wondering what I am talking about.
>
> Tim
HI Tim,
I don't know about DNA but I can tell you it changes your brainwaves,
that is for certain. I had an EEG and went on a lovely inside journey, I
was totally consicous inside and really having a spectacular experience
of Samadhi, but to the nurse I was dead unconscious. And, she was upset,
she was trying everything possible to get my attention. I was gone about
25 minutes ... no longer on that plane. The result of this test was that
they wanted me to see a doctor for epilepsy, that was over 20 years ago.
I knew better, and have never had any problems that I didn't know what
was coming down. But it does altar many aspects of consciousness. I had
experienced several seizures from bright lights, loud music, in my late
twenties. But I still knew what it was.
That was a time in my life that I was way oversensitive to my
environment. That has pretty much totally stopped. But, there are many
physical experiences that comes with a full blown awakening which is why
I am always talking about detachment to the people on this list. I know
many are tired of hearing this same thing come from me but I know this
from experience and feel many of you are just not prepared for the
things that can manifest as the energy increases. It isn't that hard to
be totally knocked out of ones body with a major erruption. It isn't
anything at all to play with. What I feel is vital to the awakening
process is a firm connection to knowing, doing, and being in the flow of
Divine Will. Had I not had this foundation I would have had many, many
situations that would have been real hard. But, because of my total
faith and union with God, it was nothing more then an enlightening
experience. My motto is tuck and roll. Gloria
10 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: Drug Zone (3)
Paco wrote:
>
> Ori,
> My teacher said something about this a while back...[snipped]
Hi,
I have never taken any drugs other then perscriptions given for
specific things, but I've worked with many folks that have. And, I can
tell you from this, there is a lot of cleaning out to do which I call
processing. And, I've found a lot of etheric injuries from it, which
makes it all the harder to balance out those centers. Ones objection in
meditation is not to have phenomena experiences, or astral obstacles.
Which in every case the people I have seen have a difficult time getting
through those lower dimensions into the real connection to Christ. I'm
not saying it isn't done and can't be overcome. But, why put that into
the system as something that has to be overcome at all.
My suggestion is to go toward purification and the middle road in all
things. The more you can simplify your life, get into pure energies of
love and light, the easier your inner and outer journey will become.
I know this may sound boring to some, but a quiet balanced awakening is
not projected toward phenomena. When it comes the tools are their to
understand it, but you don't go looking for it. Just something to
reflect on. Gloria
11 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Epilepsy and K
Hello
I have lost track of the number of times I have heard the terms,
"Epilepsy" and "Seizures" in relation to those with K experiences;
certainly more than I might think representative of general norms.
I had epilepsy for years. My teacher told me it was as a result of
UNCONTROLLED contact with higher minds. I have privately e-mailed a
number of people with this perspective. Just as there are many
individuals, so the lack of smooth communication can have a number of
underlying reasons: too much energy, too little energy, incompatible
energy (particlarly during hormonal swings)etc.
How many of us are there here on the list???? Is this more common that
even I might be aware? I no longer have seizures. Any one out there
"over it" too?
Anyone aware of any research into the connection between K and seizures,
particularly in "old" texts?
jan
"...and air swooped down and swept his lover, fire, into his arms and
tossled her golden hair..."
12 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: Drug Zone (3)
-
Paco wrote:
>
> Ori,
> My teacher said something about this a while back...
> he has never taken any illicit drugs,
Hi!
I like your teacher's explanation. Mine said something similar in a
different way:
Just as a computer is generally made up of hardware and software, so
is a human. The mind is the software and the brain is the hardware and
the two exist in a relationship. If you use your mind's experiences of
the higher levels to expand your brain potential, then the expansion is
based on higher realities and leads to deeper understanding. If you
use drugs to expand the mind, then the expansion is based on chemical
realities and functions as a form of entertainment rather than
deepening of understanding of the nature of the universe. The use of
drugs in religious rituals were traditionally not done without an
experienced guide who then brought the element of 'mind' into the
equation.
Are you over the flashbacks etc.?
jan
-
13 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: female tantric kundalini devotees
Richie Suraci wrote:
>
> Are there any female tantric kundalini devotees on this list looking for
> private email and real life consort tantric puja experiences with the
> divine pleasures of tantric sexual union?
>
> If so feel free to email me at rs7.fapATNOSPAMmhv.net
>
> Tantragi (Richie)
Hello
If my sense of humour is misplaced, I apologize in advance, but are you a
part of a frequent flyers club? chuckle, chuckle.
jan
14 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: re chat
Richie Suraci wrote:
>
> So,
>
> Lets make friends anyway and discuss the philosophical teachings of Tantric
> union and how it may relate to your kriya yoga path at this time. OK ?
>
> Where are you and how old are you?
>
> I have been teaching tantra for over 20 years..... I offer many weekend
> retreats and private gatherings during the four seasons with a close group
> of interested practitioners. We have over 7500 peoples on our mailing list.
>
> So why have you chosen to be celebate? Isn't that very lonely for you? Tantra
> teaches divine union with another or others!
>
> Look forward to your reply,
>
> Om Hrim krim
>
> Tantragi (Richie)
Hi
Celibacy keeps me in touch with the sensuous in all Life's aspects. Sex
often desensitizes the individual to the very sexual nature of non-human
life like soft green grass, a warm bath, soil, sunshine on the skin, the
movement of birds and air and on and on forever. The joy is
never-ending.
-
No, I'm not lonely. I'm in pursuit of the Beloved, the other half of the
self; the ultimate unity of the male and female in one andorogynous big
bang. I'm being a little facetious here. Actually, the one problem with
True Tantric Sex is that is leads one into the innate ability to see the
god-soul of the individual you are making love to. It means Loving, at a
soul level, not just with heart, mind and body. It means joining at the
highest level man is capable of joining at: the immortal self joined the
another immortal being captured outside time and space. To both be torn
out of your bodies and face each other in pure astral form? Have you
ever had this ultimate experience? Have you ever had the other part of
the new bigger, better you torn away from you? I'm too mortal even yet
to go through that for a while longer.
I was not being sarcastic, just dealing with a little overload here.
It's been a long time, and the personal pain vanished years ago. The
sense of having lost a part of me is still here though. The next time I
get that close to another human being again will be when I unite with the
All for all time. With luck, that will be well before I die.
I wish you all the best. May your pleasure lead you to that which is yet
greater.
jan
15 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: hellooooooooooooooooooooo
-
hellooooooooooooooooooooo backatcha
Brahahahah.. boo!
your not alone.. hugs
OH.. WHO was meditating on Wednesday at 1:30pm Central time, thinking
about Flute and using a very high grade of wonderful sandlewood
incense?? yumm.. I was trying to eat lunch you know.. giggling..
flute
-
16 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Tim Duna
Subject: Re: Epilepsy and K
At 06:27 PM 11/30/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello
>
>I have lost track of the number of times I have heard the terms,
>"Epilepsy" and "Seizures" in relation to those with K experiences;
>certainly more than I might think representative of general norms.
>
>I had epilepsy for years. My teacher told me it was as a result of
>UNCONTROLLED contact with higher minds. I have privately e-mailed a
>number of people with this perspective. Just as there are many
>individuals, so the lack of smooth communication can have a number of
>underlying reasons: too much energy, too little energy, incompatible
>energy (particlarly during hormonal swings)etc.
>
>How many of us are there here on the list???? Is this more common that
>even I might be aware? I no longer have seizures. Any one out there
>"over it" too?
>
>Anyone aware of any research into the connection between K and seizures,
>particularly in "old" texts?
>
>jan
>
>"...and air swooped down and swept his lover, fire, into his arms and
>tossled her golden hair..."
>
Before my K awakening, I would have black-outs periodically from
head rushes. During these black-outs I would dream and my body would
twitch. At the time, I was in high school and smoking, doing pot, and
drinking, so that could have helped bring on these situations. However, now
with K going through, I find that excessive energetic release will bring on
a head rush more easily. I find myself having to sit up first from a laying
down position, wait, and then get up. If I don't, I'll start to get woozy.
For me, there has always been a reason to the 'seizures' (mostly they are
just black-outs, and no shaking), and haven't been spontaneously happening.
Is this what happens to you? Spontaneous seizures?
I think mine are from the energy pulling everything upward. I have
noticed that this can cause constipation in the bowels, and I'm sure the
blood tends to get pulled upward as well.
Tim
17 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996
From: Jan Watson
Subject: Re: celibacy
Akasha wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Since you seem well experienced within the realm of celibacy I would like to
> pose a question: I know many celibatic(wannabees;) strive a lot with what
> you might call the art of wet dreaming :D
>
> For how long have you been living in celibacy and how do you prevent the
> wet-dreaming factor?
Hi
I haven't tried to prevent anything, particulary not sexual feelings; I
just let nature and my own being take its own course without my
interference. I suppose that if I repressed my sexuality rather than
allowed it to freely flow into other channels, I might run into all sort
of physical anomolies! Go with the energy flow and avoid overly
close physical contact with other sexual beings. With time and non
suppression, it seems to know what to do with itself.
Good luck
jan