kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 257 

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini / Mind

HyperMedia Technologies wrote:
> 
> The Shakti compels me to write for you again.
> 

>...... the correct mental posture.
> 
> What is this posture? In Zen it's called 'No Mind'. In Vipasana (sp?)
> Buddhism it's called 'The Witness'.
> 
> Do you want to experience this state, now? Take a deep breath, exhale,
> relax,  and let your mind go blank. There it is. It's that simple. This
> state is a higher state of conciousness than the state of thought and
> emotion.

How extraordinary. . . Thank you, Martin.
I feel I can best serve on this list with personal stories - out of 
character for me, usually.
Nearly 30 years ago, I was a young housewife in a small town in Canada, 
mother of two toddlers. I had never done a spiritual practice, though I 
was interested. One day I read about meditation in a book and thought 
wistfully how wonderful it would be to be a meditator. My wee ones 
happened to be playing quietly, so I stole a moment to lie down and 
attempt it, thought I didn't know how. Instinctively, I slowed my 
breathing and emptied my mind. It seemed my eyes rolled up and all flesh 
and form fell away. I was suspended in a golden void. I sensed, this is 
my chance to touch the face of God, and in my mind, I cried out, "LOVE! 
---  I LOVE! I then returned to normal, feeling tingly, got up and 
changed diapers and peeled potatoes. The whole "meditation" took no more 
than a minute, and I thought no more about it.
That night, I was catapulted out of a deep sleep by an intellegent power 
surging up from somewhere deep and slamming into a great eye, which 
seemed to be in my head. I gasped, "Shiva!" (I don't know why!) and then 
I seemed to stop breathing, glued to the vast electric eye and hearing 
the roaring of holy power - I don't know for how long. Time was gone.
Spiritual orgasm. I had just lost my spiritual virginity. That night
began the tumultuous awakening of K. And the most powerful Presence 
during the K activation period was the beingness I called "My Friend" - 
which I now, after a little education, call The Witness or The Mirror.
So - here we have an instruction for contacting this Witness - of which I 
had never heard. How the dickens did this ignorant barefoot housewife 
know what to do? What do you think? Co-incidence?
- It seemed to be programmed in, pre-arranged, like puberty, but beginning 
more personally, and continuing far beyond the personal.
E.
>



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: Paco 
Subject: re: Drug Zone(2)
-
Angelique, 
	I just had to say a couple more things............

1) Computer programming is a great love of mine. I love math,
I love boolean logic, I love C++, I love object oriented design,
I love visual tools and I love to solve problems. I hope someday
I can really help society through programming, and also make an
enormous amount of money.
2) Drugs really are all in your mind. I feel that with a natural
chemical balance, our senses reflect the outside and inside world
in the most accurate manner. Not that we perceive infra-red and
all the various radiations and alternate dimensions etc....but
as soon as you start altering your brain chemistry you are changing
something very delicate and fundamental. Whether it's Prozac,
dopamine, Phen-Fen or whatever, if you are altering the neurotransmitters
and neuro receivers, you are really playing with fire. A drug like
LSD has an incredibly powerful effect on the nervous system, and
according to scientific information (ha) is found present in the
spinal fluid at least eight years after ingestion.
-	I know you can have good times and new perceptions and
make progress at times with psychedelics; but that knowledge and
those perceptions are right there all around us at any time; you
can step your awareness to that level anytime if you really try,
like Carlos Castaneda's Don Juan said, if you treat each moment
as if it were your last battle on Earth....and you can do that
better if your not on drugs. In my opinion. later,
			Paco

P.S. I know you are a true player...but the thing about that is
you must never forget that there's a game going on.



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Another K Question

Happy Thanksgiving to All.....

After almost 3 years of no regular (disciplined) meditation, I began
meditating - 5-20 minutes - regularly, a few weeks ago.  It has been
successful, compared to my previous trys, as I am feeling more grounded.
 Previously, when I would meditate for 2 to 3 days in a row, it seemed as if
I was 'losing touch'....

My question is, yesterday afternoon I began itching ALL over -- from the top
of my head to my toes!  And am still scratching as I am writing this.  I have
never had any allergic reactions before - I am not taking any medications nor
vitamins - I haven't ate anything any different than usual.  
-
Is this like a K thing, or, maybe I've just turned allergy-prone after all
these years?   

Thanks for all of you being here - For the first time since my K-awakening, I
truly feel this a group who understands.  I haven't had that before in this
particular area (K).....

Have a great Turkey day,
xxxtg
-


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: Stephen Kandul 
Subject: various-long message

It is wonderful to have discovered this site.
	
	I'd welcome any suggestions, comments, advice and/or help on these
concerns:

	Tongue-For three years or so, my tongue, from root to center, has been
pushing up against the back of my throat and the roof of my mouth.  It
is a constant and very uncomfortable pressure exerted even while
sleeping (at least whenever I wake up at night the pressure is there). 
I've tried massage, energy work, tuning forks and crystal bowls to no
avail. K. has loosened it several exciting times, but it closed up
again.  A shaman (in group setting) has also loosened it, with
wonderful, but short-lived results. I'm at a momentary standstill and
could really use some help.

	Right side of body-Almost all things that go 'wrong' seem to manifest
themselves on my body's right side (root canals, energy blockages,
tension etc,).  I've read that the right side is the masculine side of
the body and the left the fem., and know that I express the 'being' side
naturally and easily-much more easily than the 'doing' or m. side.  Am I
on the right track?

	Place of residence-I moved from Germany (where k. was raging around
inside) to coastal Georgia about 3 years ago.  Immediately k. became
comparitively inactive and I became almost constantly sick with one
thing or another (before moving I was pretty healthy).  My theory is
that I don't belong in this particular place, or that it does not want
me here-or is that taking things too personally?  Perhaps it just emits
an energy that I don't hermonize with....?  When I leave, then come
back, I feel it approaching and as I get nearer the headaches and nausea
etc, begin-like entering NYC.  Is there a way, perhaps to 'make friends'
with the land around you....actually, I tried ( and I've never done this
before and was nervous) making a ceremony for it and offering my blood
(menstrual), but nothing seemed to change.  I should mention that 6
months after I arrived I was accused of being a witch due to the fact
that I like to meditate. ..... 

	Malls-I can't go in them, or in stores like K-mart etc.. If I do I get
sick for 2-4 hours.. my guess is it might have something to do with the
electromagnetic emmissions (?).  The Bio-Electric Sheild I bought allows
me allows me a  30'-1 hr.
safety zone.  Could a tachyon device help-maybe someone has tried one
out?  Also I can feel ill around certain people.  Does anyone know
anything about shielding?

	Energy-It feels like there an ascending order from less subtle and fine
to more, might be: energy, light and then love.  A Buddhist master,
after asking me to leave an intensive meditation retreat due to a K.
incident, told me that enlightenment comes after love.  That, actually,
all the above mentioned and K. were illusions-places you can get stuck
in and from which you will not be able to know Reality or your  
True Self.  But K. showed me that he was afraid of K. and in a very
literal way-he appeared as a huge chicken to my physical eyes, and I
shook hands with this big chicken as I left!  Is there anything greater
than Love-the Love that I so often feel surrounding and permeating
everything, always?....

	Cold hands and feet-The only time they warm up (even including after a
Tai-
Chi or a Chi-Gung session or after high K.) is when I perform some of
the energy movements that C. Castenada (he calls them magical passes)
has made available to to general public through his Tensegrity vidios.

-	If you've read this far I thank you and apologize for the long length
of this message.  I feel I can speak freely here and have not found
another place to do so-even at home.
   
	I'm grateful ahead of time for any comments, suggestions, or advice.

	                         In Love, Light and, lest I forget, Laughter,
                                                     Marsha


-
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Another K Question

TeeegeeeATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-11-28 11:11:50 EST, you write:
> 
> < Probably not K. Old resistance boiling off. Not comfortable, but a very
>  good reaction. Just feel it with as little reaction as possible.
>  What meditation are you doing?
>  E. >>
> 
> Hey, that makes sense - duh, didn't think of that!   Meditation is just
> sitting quietly with eyes closed, letting go of all thoughts, after reading
> my lesson of the day (A Course in Miracles).
> 
> Thanks for your response!
> 
> xxxtg

Hi TG - 
Looks like your meditation is "working" fine. The itchy sensations are 
caused by impurities coming out, specifically, past resistance to pain 
and discomfort. You facilitate the purification process by practicing 
equanimity - just perceive clearly without judgement, grasping or 
resisting. When this bout of purification is over, you'll likely feel a 
time of elation - lighter, joyful, freshly scrubbed. Enjoy, but remember 
- this, too, shall pass. The cycles continue, but it gets easier - less 
gross, more refined. More skillful - less stumbling and ignorant.
Be encouraged - and try not to scratch! 
Love, E.
PS: Actually, if the tickling sensation becomes so overwhelming as to 
overpower the meditation technique, go ahead and scratch - but do so 
slowly and mindfully.



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Gloria Greco)
Subject: Re: various-long message

Stephen Kandul wrote:
> 
> It is wonderful to have discovered this site.
> 
>         I'd welcome any suggestions, comments, advice and/or help on these
> concerns:
> 
>         Tongue-For three years or so, my tongue, from root to center, has been
> pushing up against the back of my throat and the roof of my mouth.  It
> is a constant and very uncomfortable pressure exerted even while
> sleeping (at least whenever I wake up at night the pressure is there).
> I've tried massage, energy work, tuning forks and crystal bowls to no
> avail. K. has loosened it several exciting times, but it closed up
> again.  A shaman (in group setting) has also loosened it, with
> wonderful, but short-lived results. I'm at a momentary standstill and
> could really use some help.
> 
>         Right side of body-Almost all things that go 'wrong' seem to manifest
> themselves on my body's right side (root canals, energy blockages,
> tension etc,).  I've read that the right side is the masculine side of
> the body and the left the fem., and know that I express the 'being' side
> naturally and easily-much more easily than the 'doing' or m. side.  Am I
> on the right track?
> 
>         Place of residence-I moved from Germany (where k. was raging around
> inside) to coastal Georgia about 3 years ago.  Immediately k. became
> comparitively inactive and I became almost constantly sick with one
> thing or another (before moving I was pretty healthy).  My theory is
> that I don't belong in this particular place, or that it does not want
> me here-or is that taking things too personally?  Perhaps it just emits
> an energy that I don't hermonize with....?  When I leave, then come
> back, I feel it approaching and as I get nearer the headaches and nausea
> etc, begin-like entering NYC.  Is there a way, perhaps to 'make friends'
> with the land around you....actually, I tried ( and I've never done this
> before and was nervous) making a ceremony for it and offering my blood
> (menstrual), but nothing seemed to change.  I should mention that 6
> months after I arrived I was accused of being a witch due to the fact
> that I like to meditate. .....
> 
>         Malls-I can't go in them, or in stores like K-mart etc.. If I do I get
> sick for 2-4 hours.. my guess is it might have something to do with the
> electromagnetic emmissions (?).  The Bio-Electric Sheild I bought allows
> me allows me a  30'-1 hr.
> safety zone.  Could a tachyon device help-maybe someone has tried one
> out?  Also I can feel ill around certain people.  Does anyone know
> anything about shielding?
> 
>         Energy-It feels like there an ascending order from less subtle and fine
> to more, might be: energy, light and then love.  A Buddhist master,
> after asking me to leave an intensive meditation retreat due to a K.
> incident, told me that enlightenment comes after love.  That, actually,
> all the above mentioned and K. were illusions-places you can get stuck
> in and from which you will not be able to know Reality or your
> True Self.  But K. showed me that he was afraid of K. and in a very
> literal way-he appeared as a huge chicken to my physical eyes, and I
> shook hands with this big chicken as I left!  Is there anything greater
> than Love-the Love that I so often feel surrounding and permeating
> everything, always?....
> 
>         Cold hands and feet-The only time they warm up (even including after a
> Tai-
> Chi or a Chi-Gung session or after high K.) is when I perform some of
> the energy movements that C. Castenada (he calls them magical passes)
> has made available to to general public through his Tensegrity vidios.
> 
>         If you've read this far I thank you and apologize for the long length
> of this message.  I feel I can speak freely here and have not found
> another place to do so-even at home.
> 
>         I'm grateful ahead of time for any comments, suggestions, or advice.
> 
>                                  In Love, Light and, lest I forget, Laughter,
>                                                      Marsha

Hi Marsha,
	I don't think we have shared before. Sounds like you have become
sensitive to your environment which isn't all that out of the ordinary.
And, probably sensitive to the people around also. I would erase all of
those thought forms, and just flow with what is there for the moment.
There are times in this journey when you will be uncomfortable with your
surroundings, as much from the psychic bombardment as anything. When you
live in a heavely populated area there are just tons of thought forms in
the ether, the more you are able to perceive your environment in your
direct consciousness, the more uncomfortable it is. But, it is ok. The
world is a slew of vibrations, frequencies, or forces,we as soul/spirit
... travel through it with awareness every expanding. When you were just
clogged into your mind, thoughts and emotions you were just a part of
it, now you are in training on how to be in the world, but not of it.
This is a training school, you will be there as long as you are
undergoing that training, when it is no longer a problem, it will
change. 
	Your mission at this time is to find peace, joy and love within
yourself and in spite of the negative/postive forces all around, to
discriminate what is happening around you and when possible to
neutralize your surrounding so that love and peace can be brought into
the overall picture. This is an art. One doesn't learn to master this
area of life until you have mastered your own thoughts, emotions, and
what you create in and around yourself. Man know thyself. Your reaction
is simply a reaction, let it go. Get yourself into the heart center and
it won't make a single bit of difference what is around, you won't be a
part of it. Have a great Thanksgiving. Love to all Gloria



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: various-long message
-
Dear Marsha

Welcome to this list. It sounds like you have had your fair share of trials
and tribulations, as well as unbridled ecstacies, with the k.

I kept thinking as I read your post: have you ever been to Sedona, Arizona?
I bet you might really like it there. You seem so "place-sensitive." 

I have never been to a place that had such amazing energy. I rarely have a
migraine when I am there. There is tremendous electromagnitic force field
energy there, and it makes the brain resonate to some deep, spiritual
frequency that is fabulous. People from all over the world experience all
types of deep healings.

Whenever we go there miracles pop out at us by the hour. 

After all you have been through, this might be a welcome relief.

On the other hand, it is said that Sedona is one of those places where
things come up into your face; if your nature is good, then the miracles
come...if you are covering up a ton of negative stuff, well, these people
don't stay in Sedona too long. Too intense.

Best, traveler



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: fluteATNOSPAMprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
Subject: Empathic-ness.....

>>What do you do when you pick up someone else's pain (to eliminate 
it)?  Just
the recognition that it isn't mine, isn't enough to release it from 
myself.
 I've been wondering if it is possible to take this energy I am 
picking up
and be able to somehow, heal the one I am getting it from...  (kind 
of like,
via the move "Resurrection' with Ellen Burstyn.  Did you see 

Yes.. and Yes..
1. Make a conscious symbol for yourself and invoke by intent and 
drawing the symbol to release the energy away from you.
Aromatherapy helps too.. I had a friend that gave me.. Clary Sage, 
Rosemary and Sandlewood for 
Empathic Balancing. Which ever scent appeals to you the most.. is the 
one you need the most of..
so .. mix the oils by drops on a cotton ball and use to inhale or 
bath in or.. perfume.. 
2.  Before I took Reiki, I used Empathic to heal.. I would feel that 
spot within me that wasn't mine and was a point of some sort of 
abnormality in someone else and then breath into it.. Like feeling 
the air moving in from the universal mind and thru your mouth into 
the spot.. as in headache.. then telling the feeling to disburse into 
the universe. and it works.. grin.
hugs, 
flute. 

-

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Another K Question

Teeegeee wrote:
My question is, yesterday afternoon I began itching ALL over -- from the top
of my head to my toes!  And am still scratching as I am writing this.  I have
never had any allergic reactions before - I am not taking any medications nor
vitamins - I haven't ate anything any different than usual.  

I also have had this problem for eight or so years now, long before my K
experience.  It happens most often when I first enter a building in the
winter, or in the winter when I start working out.  My entire body itches all
over and it can be very overwellming, as if I'm being bitten or stung by tiny
insects all over.  It usually dissapears after afew minutes.  I've assumed
that I had a weird skin allergy reaction to dry heat, or my skin pores
opening up as the tempature changes.  When meditating I'll sometimes get the
"tinglies", but that seems different, like increased circulation or hyper
sense of touch and usually isn't as intense.  I think you might have one or
the other of these.  Unfortunatly I don't know of a cure for either, and I'd
sure like to get a cure for my allergy-like itching.

If your itching is really from the K, then your body is mostly preparing
itself for increased circulation and sense of touch and/or psychic touch, and
maybe just a generalized increase in overall energy.  I foresee your problem
as this, and believe great things will be coming to you, but I'm no
specialist in over e-mail psychic readings.  Hope everything turns out for
the best.  Let me know what you find out.
-
Aaron



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: going unconcious

I think I'm going uncoucious in my meditations.
-
This has been happening expecially in my morning meditations, lying in corpse
pose and chanting the Hrim mantra (thanks for all the help on that!).  What
kinda scares me is that I'll suddely feel woo-sy and then "come-to" realizing
I'll stoped chanting for some time and haven't really been there.  I'm not
sure if I'm hitting the Zen no mind, or going into work on some other plane
of conciousness, or just trying to stop the mantra before I over do it.  I've
been feeling the urge to sleep extra lately, expecially in the afternoon.  I
think these have to do less with needing rest and perhaps needing to dream
more, or go into different levels.  Often I end up having dreams where I fall
asleep and go into another dream (dreams within dreams).  When meditating I
remeber no dreams, just like a blank, or the impression I was elsewhere.  My
senses seemed hyped up today, my energy is returning, and I sense that I'm
going to get a big boost from the changing seasons.  I've also been
remebering truths about reality and energy trapped in nature, time, memory,
ect.  Like my subconcious is really dealing with alot of heavy things all at
once.  Does anyone relate to this slipping in and out while meditating?

Happy thanksgiving
Aaron
-
Ps.  If your feeling guilty about the turkey you ate, try to connect with
it's concousness as it is now bonded within you.  Wish it well and send it's
spirit energy to move on.  Death leads to freedoms, liberations, and upward
towards enlightenment, humans just distort it really badly (suicide is also
no escape as you will just need to deal with the problems later anyhow).



Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 
From: CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: various-long message

Marsha-

Wow, sounds like you've got alot of problems, real sorry.  I'll try to help
but it also sounds like you already know alot so you may have already tried
these.

The tounge:
If you meditate on the tip of your tounge it is supposed to remove all
deseases and sicknesses.  The tounge is a big channel that can be used to
move energy from the throat to the third eye, but can also be affected by the
body's health.  If your bodies energy is tainted it could show up this way.
 put your tounge in the center of your mouth and open your mouth like your
saying "ahhhhh".   concentrate on the tip of the tounge and try to exhail the
negative energy out.  It may feel like your vomitting energy.  Hope this
doesn't send you into spasms.

Right side of body:
try shoving energy out this side, then cooling down by connecting the bottoms
of your feel and putting your hands in a meditation pose (left in right) and
try to circulate the good energy from your left with the old, "bad" energy
from your right.  Think of it like blood:  blood is good, then gets used and
becomes bad, gets cleaned and charged and becomes good again.  Also try going
super pure with your food.  Try vegitarian for maybe two weeks and a fruit
and milk fast every wenesday.

Location:
When I was at University I noticed that the energy of other poeple effected
me alot, and the denser the poplulation, the closer my connection was to
these impure energies.  This also might relate to you trouble with malls but
that could also be the music, lights, hatred of bad jobs, compulsive habits,
ect.  The energy in you living quarters might also be tainted from the last
person who lived there or old spirits who might want to remain there.  You
must first seperate it from the rest of the world.  Outline your living space
with white light (I use blue/white light because this works well with my
particular powers).  Take the "cube" of energy and start moving it, rotating
it on different axises.  This becomes a barrier to the energy from outside,
like a psychic scrambler or filter.  The doors and windows connect to the
outside world, but place them away.  Lift your location up and away, far away
from it's actual location and connect the doors and widows with energy
tunnels.  In the physical plane your place will seem normal, but from a
psychic perspective your house will be like a flying box with energy tubes
connecting the doors and windows.  Do it so that when you enter the room you
enter through a porthole that travels a great distance,  like you open a
"gateway" to another world where your living space is protected.  I also
highly suggest getting tapestries to soften your enviroment.  Remove or
soften any jutting or sharp corners, put a tapestry over the door and on the
ceiling.  Attempt to make the rooms into circles with no corners and stand in
the center of the rooms and feel what the energy is doing in the room, where
its going from and where it's going, try to make it do happy spirals.  Also
resent your room and do a smudging (burn incense and wave it around the walls
to purify the area.  Also you might want to get a gargoil, or a protective
guardian sculpture.  Prefferably something scary which you can channel energy
through.  Use it to eat up evil spirits in the enviroment.  I'm lucky that I
have a bronze ball for my bronze "demon" so he has something to chew on when
he's not eating up the bad vibes (like a dog's bone).

Since alot of this is very specific magic I use, it might not suit you and
you should talor it for best results.  If anybody rags you about your
meditation, say that you are Hypertensive and that your doctor told you to do
it or you would start having ulcers and the like.  With the magic, if anyone
spots you, tell them that your friend told you to see a holistic healer for
your hypertension and that he suggested this stuff, really weird and I don't
believe it, but I do like the smell of incense and If it works that'll be
great.

Hope you can use this and it wasn't too long.

Aaron   



Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 
From: eileenrcATNOSPAMix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: going unconcious

CGIAJWATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> I think I'm going uncoucious in my meditations.
> 
> This has been happening expecially in my morning meditations, lying in corpse
> pose and chanting the Hrim mantra (thanks for all the help on that!).  What
> kinda scares me is that I'll suddely feel woo-sy and then "come-to" realizing
> I'll stoped chanting for some time and haven't really been there.  I'm not
> sure if I'm hitting the Zen no mind, or going into work on some other plane
> of conciousness, or just trying to stop the mantra before I over do it.  I've
> been feeling the urge to sleep extra lately, expecially in the afternoon.  I
> think these have to do less with needing rest and perhaps needing to dream
> more, or go into different levels.  Often I end up having dreams where I fall
> asleep and go into another dream (dreams within dreams).  When meditating I
> remeber no dreams, just like a blank, or the impression I was elsewhere.  My
> senses seemed hyped up today, my energy is returning, and I sense that I'm
> going to get a big boost from the changing seasons.  I've also been
> remebering truths about reality and energy trapped in nature, time, memory,
> ect.  Like my subconcious is really dealing with alot of heavy things all at
> once.  Does anyone relate to this slipping in and out while meditating?
> 
> Happy thanksgiving
> Aaron
> 
> Ps.  If your feeling guilty about the turkey you ate, try to connect with
> it's concousness as it is now bonded within you.  Wish it well and send it's
> spirit energy to move on.  Death leads to freedoms, liberations, and upward
> towards enlightenment, humans just distort it really badly (suicide is also
> no escape as you will just need to deal with the problems later anyhow).


  Hi Aaron:
-
Meditation consists of volitionally focused attention, body deeply 
relaxed, mind very alert. Zen no-mind is NOT unconsciousness. If you are 
going unconscious during meditation, you are going out of meditation and 
succumbing to what is called "sinking mind". Old unconsciousness boiling 
off. Purification is happening, but only if you stay aware in 
meditation in spite of sleepiness. Give yourself the extra sleep you need 
right now, and remember that meditating in the corpse pose invites 
dopiness. An upright posture helps keep the mind alert. You can also 
meditate with eyes open. And/or standing up.