kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 209 

Date: Mon, 28 Oct
From: "L.D. McClanahan" 
Subject: Greek Goddess of Truth

Juliet asked about the Greek Goddess of Truth:
	What I referred to as the Greek Goddess of Truth may go by 
another name since I cannot find that name in any of my references.  
However, the story goes that there was a Greek woman who was so 
beautiful that she dazzled the eyes of men and was the envy of women.  
She was so beautiful that she was as the personification of spirit and 
beauty and all the virtues.  These attributes were so disconcerting to 
the Greeks that they killed her, cut her in small pieces, and spread her 
remains to the winds.  Realizing later what they had destroyed, Truth 
Itself, they (we) have been trying to put her back together ever since.
	I often think of this story when confronted by the enormity of 
our ignorance and our frustrated, difficult times trying to comprehend 
the complexity of some aspect of our lives, our existence. 
	Trying to understand Kundalini as consciousness, living energy, 
spirit, as an experience, scientifically, since the, any, experience 
must fall under certain laws of the universe which in our fumbling way 
we try to reassemble.  Truth has elegance and beauty.  Thus, a Goddess. 
        L. D.



Date: Mon, 28 Oct 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: churlishness as a spiritual path

I live in Southern California where spiritual paths are as ubiquitous 
as pod malls and econo-lube outlets.  Within shouting distance of my 
house there are Hindus, evangelical Christians, Wiccans, Buddhists, 
acolytes of the Cosmic Christ, snake-handlers, Kabbalists, Santerians, 
etc. etc.  At the moment I'm finding this ecumenical spirit only makes 
me grumpy.  I think this is because materialism is dragging down the 
spirituality and I feel my own experience flattening.  And I could come 
up with juicy interpretations about how mainstream championship of 
spiritual values wipes out the dark side.  But my question (there is a 
question amidst this crabbiness) is that surely this is not a new 
problem; spiritual communities in India, Rio, Safed come to mind; and  
how to face the dilemma that the greatest obstacle in a spiritual quest 
may not be adversity but a kind of treacly acceptance that reduces 
everyone's experience and even sets up competitiveness among us?  My 
own irritation aside, couldn't this be a real problem for the New Age?
Holly.

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 
From: GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path

Dear Holly,
I live alone in a small country community in Utah.  I can count the people
that I have found that can connect with me on a spiritual level on one hand.
   The prominent religion here consumes most of the culture.  Finding support
and understanding or just someone to carrying on a meaningful conversation on
the K topic has been very difficult.  On a contiuum, the cultural diversity
in California is probably at one end of the spectrum and Utah the other.  On
days like today, I long to be anywhere except here but perhaps I right where
I need to be.  The last few days have been unbearable.  I have been in more
pain that I ever thought possible.  The base of my spine pulsates like the
beating of a drum sending hot fluid light through my entire body.  It pounds
insessantly on my skull causing me severe head aches.  My ears ring in a high
pitched frequency which is anything but soothing.  Sharp pains radiate up
from the base of my spine sending electrical current to the top of my head.
- Then the hot fluid light turns ice cold and nothing I do seems to warm me.
 I don't know how much more of this suffering I can take.  I feel I have
surrendered to the point of being at death's door and yet the pain continues.
 I felt like sharing my pain tonight.  I thought it may help me through one
more day.   Thank you for listening.  

 I do trust in inifinite wisdom of this process.  But Damn it I'm tired of
the suffering.   Thanks for letting me vent.  Good night.
Love and light 
Jean
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path

about it.  Your words from the heart helped me feel understood.  I 
think I would rather be attacked than trivialized, though I suppose 
this, too, is something to learn from.  Some days it just aches to be 
in a physical body, other days it is consummate joy.  Love, Holly.



Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path

I found this introduction perfectly matches my experiance.  This is part of a
letter I sent to a dear friend when I realized that I could no longer share
the most important experiances of my life (as remembered to date).  The list
is not just a great sounding board for me.  It is a vital connection to
reality as only a very few know it.  All falseness blows away like dandelion
seeds in the wind.  I can feel the posts with heat, beckoning me onward--this
is THE WAY:

This to the soul who sets out upon The Journey--The Lonely Journey.  This is
the truly chosen one of God.  He will know, but cannot explain, the Cosmic
Loneliness.  He cannot share the experiences of his Journey even with his
best loved, because it is an inner journey--a going within.  And no one here
can go there with him.  He must go there by himself.  It is to all the Lonely
Ones this book is lovingly dedicated, with the prayer that it serve as a
further rung on the ascending ladder of their unfolding awareness.

Dedication from Kundalini and the Third Eye by Earlyne Chaney

And so the journey continues...please pray for me and chant:

The soul remains perfect even in the heart of a fool.

Joe



Date: Tue, 29 Oct
From: slcofksATNOSPAMfeist.com (Philip St. Romain)
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

In response to my AutoPost, Sandrak and a few others asked where they might
purchase a copy of my book: Kundalini Energy and Christian Spirituality.
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The book is by Crossroads Publ., and is available through Spring Arbor,
1-800-395-5599.

>Ramain,
>where can i get a copy of your book?
>the one on the holy spirit and k?



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Date: Tue, 29 Oct
From: raunakATNOSPAMmail.utexas.edu (raunak kothari)
Subject: KUNDALINI AND ART

I got a message from someone on the list saying that my post was cutt-off.
Thus, I'm sending it again.  Sorry for any inconvenience this may have
caused.


Hello!  Glad to be at last with others who know of reality.  From my own
experience, it seems that glimpsing (cosmic) beauty is sufficient in itself
for the arousal of kundalini--for it is kundalini that helps people
recognize and appreciate true beauty.  Thus, it seems that art  (any
beautiful manipulation of light, sound, or idea) should be the most
powerful tool in making people aware.  Can anyone share experiences of
kundalini arousals through experiencing the beauty of any of the arts?  I
am particularly interested in stories that have aroused the energy (not
stories of people's awakenings, but tales that have directly caused the
awakenings).  Also, do any of you live in Austin or know of anyone with a
first-hand experience of kundalini in Austin?

raunak kothari
raunakATNOSPAMmail.utexas.edu



Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: Chuck Tedesco 
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path
-
You raise questions that have interested me  for quite some time.  And I
would like your questions  even better if I knew  what "treacly" means.
I think that the dark side must be integrated, rather than ignored if 
one is to grow spirituallly.(See Jacqueline Small's wonderful book: 
"Embodying Spirit")  Much of "New Age" thinking ignores the 
dark side, indulging in what I see as a spiritual masturbation of sorts 
(*My positive thinking or the next seminar will fix me quickly*)
Religion, in large part, has diminished the spiritual connectedness of 
most religious people insomuchas it has assumed the need for converting 
people to a group-perceived *best path* and has often condemned those 
following other paths. As in, "We must tell you how to think, worship 
and trust and act because you are not capable of figuring out what God 
wants you to do."  Most war has been about religious differences:
killing in the name of God.
If the "New Age" religions are to be a true positive spiritual power, 
they will have to find a way to do more than give lip service to "going 
within"--tough to do when the apparent  goal of all religions is to keep 
people coming back to church and dropping dollars in the basket.  In my 
perfect world, the goal of all religions would be to set its people 
free.  How's that for churlishness?
-- 
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Treacle (was Re: churlishness as a spiritual path)

Chuck Tedesco wrote:

> I would like your questions  even better if I knew  what "treacly" > means.

Wouldn't it mean "sickeningly sweet?"  We ('mercans) know it from Lewis
Carrol where in one of the Alice novels they serve treacle, and I always
thought it was on the same reality plane as "Brillig" or
"Bandersnatch"--but I think I was in London one time and found to my
astonishment that it is actually a real, icky thing... Those Brits!

I can't comment more on churlishness because I filled my churlish quota
last week. :-(



Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Treacle Irony!!!

Well, I looked up :treacle: in the trusty on-line "Dictionary of Phrase
and Fable:"  Read the last one!

Treacle [tree-k'l ] properly means an antidote against the bite of wild
beasts (Greek, the'riaka
[pharmaka], from ther a wild beast). The ancients gave the name to
several sorts of antiATNOSPAMdotes, but
ultimately it was applied chiefly to Venice treacle (th=E9riaca androchi
), a compound of some
sixty-four drugs in honey.
    Sir Thomas More speaks of ATNOSPAMATNOSPAMa most strong treacle (i.e. antidote)
against these venomous
heresies.'' And in an old version of Jeremiah viii. 22, ATNOSPAMATNOSPAMbalm'' is
translated treacle- ATNOSPAMATNOSPAMIs there no
treacle at Gilead? Is there no phisitian there?''

I guess that Holly knows her etymology...

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: re:  KUNDALINI AND ART

I experienced a flood of transcendent energy viewing Kandinsky's 
Composition VII when it was at the LA County museum.  I later learned 
that he believed viewing art should be a transformational experience.  
I'd bet my last dime the guy had visions himself.  Holly
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: "L.D. McClanahan" 
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path

GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Dear Holly,
> I live alone in a small country community in Utah.  I can count the people
> that I have found that can connect with me on a spiritual level on one hand.
>    The prominent religion here consumes most of the culture.  Finding support
> and understanding or just someone to carrying on a meaningful conversation on
> the K topic has been very difficult.  On a contiuum, the cultural diversity
> in California is probably at one end of the spectrum and Utah the other.  On
> days like today, I long to be anywhere except here but perhaps I right where
> I need to be.  The last few days have been unbearable.  I have been in more
> pain that I ever thought possible.  The base of my spine pulsates like the
> beating of a drum sending hot fluid light through my entire body.  It pounds
> insessantly on my skull causing me severe head aches.  My ears ring in a high
> pitched frequency which is anything but soothing.  Sharp pains radiate up
> from the base of my spine sending electrical current to the top of my head.
>  Then the hot fluid light turns ice cold and nothing I do seems to warm me.
>  I don't know how much more of this suffering I can take.  I feel I have
> surrendered to the point of being at death's door and yet the pain continues.
>  I felt like sharing my pain tonight.  I thought it may help me through one
> more day.   Thank you for listening.
> 
>  I do trust in inifinite wisdom of this process.  But Damn it I'm tired of
> the suffering.   Thanks for letting me vent.  Good night.
>Love and light
>Jean

Dear Jean,
	Hang in there during your integration period of K.  Though I 
have not encountered K rising yet, but hope to do so, I cannot speak 
from personal experience.  I can speak about your symptoms from my 
professional perspective as psychotherapist and from some of my reading. 
	Take your life one day at a time, one hour at a time if 
necessary.  Get yourself a spiral notebook and write down your 
experiences; processing your experience helps you cope and will distance 
you from some of the symptoms.  Several references cite how in 
retrospect they wish that they had recorded experiences.  
	Gopi Krishna noted that he had to raise the blue or Ida channel 
to balance the hot with cold.  You may need to visualize and raise more 
Pingala or red energy to balance the cold. 
	A massage therapist might be able to help the energy flow as it 
cleanses the meridians and opens some of the seals among aura levels, 
perferably one who has been taught how to use healing energy and one who 
has raised K.
	I believe Glenn Morris in Path Notes of an American Ninja Master 
took Chamomile Tea to help cool his energy as it arose.  Perhaps some 
other tea will help balance the cool energy which you are experiencing.
	Last, others on this K list who have encountered and worked 
through these symptoms might give Jean, and others, a note of support.
					L. D.



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Date: Tue, 29 Oct  
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: grandma (was: churlishness as a spiritual path)

GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> The last few days have been unbearable.  I have been in more
> pain that I ever thought possible.  The base of my spine pulsates like > the
> beating of a drum sending hot fluid light through my entire body.  
-
Please tell us what kind of things bring this on, if you can identify a
pattern.  Others (like myself) may have missed this.  Are you continuing
in some practice?  Or is this spontaneous?  

I would like to give you feedback from my own experience, but would need
to know more about the context.

Sometimes I think one needs to not only stop all practices entirely, but
actually remove oneself physically from the environment in which this is
occurring for a significant amount of time, if at all possible. Even
meditation (though a temptation) can be stimulating...

Also, what is your general (pre-kundalini) physical condition?  I think
this is an important factor in knowing how to deal...

> It pounds
> insessantly on my skull causing me severe head aches.  My ears ring in > a high
> pitched frequency which is anything but soothing.  Sharp pains radiate > up
> from the base of my spine sending electrical current to the top of my > head.
>  Then the hot fluid light turns ice cold and nothing I do seems to > warm me.
>  I don't know how much more of this suffering I can take.  I feel I > have
> surrendered to the point of being at death's door and yet the pain > continues.

This sounds so horrible! My sympathy is with you.  At least you know
you're not alone in this anguish, and that it will pass, though that may
seem like small consolation now... 
 
>  I felt like sharing my pain tonight.  I thought it may help me > > through one
> more day.   Thank you for listening.
-
I'm glad we're here...



Date: Tue, 29 Oct
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: I have missed you all!

Dear list members,
I hve just returned from a much needed vacation, but I missed you all a great
deal.  No matter what has happened there is a feeling of understanding and
knowing, we have been there and not going through it alone.  I feel that I
could come to you all with anything and there would be support there.  I do
not feel alone on this spiritual journey I am walking because I know you are
all there.  What is my point, thank you for all the love, support,
information, help, understanding, fiendship, time reading my posts and for
showing me that I am never alone spiritually or physically.  This has been a
very hard few years for me emotionally and being a part of this list has been
a great source of strength for me the last few months!  THANK YOU!!!!!
Sending light and love to you all,
Lori



Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: klaas de jong 
Subject: geometrical figures and kundalini

dear readers,
-
I hope this is the right place to ask this question. 

At this moment I'm  working on a publication about the Dutch architect
J.L.M. Lauweriks (1864-1932). Lauweriks joined several of the mystical
groups and organisations that flowered in the first half of our century. He
was also an active practitioner of yoga. 

Also in his art and architecure he was very much influenced by the ideas
that circulated in these groups. Characteristic of his work is the fact that
he used mathematical and symbolic figures as the basis for his designs. Most
used are:

-the meander
-the spiral and the double spiral  
-the limacon of Pascal
-the tree of Pytagoras
-the labyrint

My questions are these:
-Are those figures ever mentioned in yoga literature or other mystical
literature?  
-And if so, wich are these sources and what is the specific meaning that is
attached in them to those figures? 
-Could these geomatrical figures occur as a site effect in Kundalini or
other yoga practises? (As in drug hallucinations or migraine attacks) 

I really hope that one of you can set us on the right track in solving these
problems. 

Thanks already for your time and attention!

with high regards,

Klaas de Jong
klaasATNOSPAMbwk.ahk.nl

 


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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 
From: traveler 
Subject: re:  KUNDALINI AND ART

At 09:30 AM 10/29/1996 -0800, you wrote:
>I experienced a flood of transcendent energy viewing Kandinsky's 
>Composition VII when it was at the LA County museum.  I later learned 
>that he believed viewing art should be a transformational experience.  
>I'd bet my last dime the guy had visions himself.  Holly
->
Kandinsky is one of the great inspirations in life to me. From the day I saw
his first painting, as a 15 year old teeneaged girl, I was borne into a
world full of light, and song, and intuition...a world of synethesias, where
one hears sounds, tastes light, feels smells, and so on. To this day, my
heart pounds and my spirit soars to be in front of his work. As you can
imagine, his paintings and writings are all over my home, in books and (some
on the wall). He inspired me to paint, and to have authenticity in my art,
whatever the form (he was a great pioneer in the concept of multimedia art). 

To this day, he is my hero. He believed that painting (and art) could
transform the world, bring it peace, serenity, and love. He persisted with
this belief to his dying day...despite having lived through 2 world wars. I
feel that many artists today have lost this idealism. 

Now that we are talking about art and the k: IMHO, art turn a turn for the
mundane in mid-century, with pop art and big business and materialism and
focus on technique over that power to uplift the soul. I feel art is making
a resurgence on the net; it is vernacular (that is, everyday, as for
websites, or graffiti, or just part of a site, or...by artists that may or
may not make a living at it). In this art there speaks to me of a new life,
a new vision, of transcendal realities, beyond our capacities of sight...of
interconnectedness between society and culture and the ego and the soul and
the feeling being. The new art is multimedia, very much what Kandinsky would
have done had he lived on. This multimedia combines concepts with image,
over several pages, combines social with feelings; etc. It is a new form of
synethesia we get to experience. 

Net-surfing has restored my faith in an art that has a message for humanity.
No one person or website comes to mind; I almost think of the web as one
giant art work containing all of these varied performances.

Best, traveler



Date:
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path

Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> 
> I live in Southern California where spiritual paths are as ubiquitous
> as pod malls and econo-lube outlets.  Within shouting distance of my
> house there are Hindus, evangelical Christians, Wiccans, Buddhists,
> acolytes of the Cosmic Christ, snake-handlers, Kabbalists, Santerians,
> etc. etc.  At the moment I'm finding this ecumenical spirit only makes
> me grumpy.  I think this is because materialism is dragging down the
> spirituality and I feel my own experience flattening.  And I could come
> up with juicy interpretations about how mainstream championship of
> spiritual values wipes out the dark side.  But my question (there is a
> question amidst this crabbiness) is that surely this is not a new
> problem; spiritual communities in India, Rio, Safed come to mind; and
> how to face the dilemma that the greatest obstacle in a spiritual quest
> may not be adversity but a kind of treacly acceptance that reduces
> everyone's experience and even sets up competitiveness among us?  My
> own irritation aside, couldn't this be a real problem for the New Age?
> Holly.
HI Holly,
	Interesting question, but it is really an opportunity to approach it
from your higher knowing and bring transformation into it. The illusions
of the world effect each branch of the tree, but when the illusion is
gone, it is all one. And there isn't even a tree so much as awareness
and consciousness. That is where life is going. Instead of being
separate and seeing difference, remove the thought. Ask why you are
there? Ask to know what your being shown and really flow in your faith.
It is really quite a beautiful place to be, and if you open yourself to
the Holy Spirit working through you, or if you like to call if your
higher self ... it will change. Love ya Gloria

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Date:
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: churlishness as a spiritual path

FlarityjATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> I found this introduction perfectly matches my experiance.  This is part of a
> letter I sent to a dear friend when I realized that I could no longer share
> the most important experiances of my life (as remembered to date).  The list
> is not just a great sounding board for me.  It is a vital connection to
> reality as only a very few know it.  All falseness blows away like dandelion
> seeds in the wind.  I can feel the posts with heat, beckoning me onward--this
> is THE WAY> [snipped]



Joe,
	Hi, the awakening process is indeed an interesting path, but we are
blessed now to have connections being made from many different
perspectives. Indeed, while alone, you are not alone. In fact if you
start to self remember you will see that we are all meeting out of the
body or these communications couldn't be made manifest. Work at getting
into your dream life and understanding that one and the body experience
are one and the same. When you really unravel your awareness from the
illusion, dreams and actiosn are linked together. And, souls are not
alone ever. You are constantly communicating spiritually with others
even if you don't remember it. Work at this, look tonight into what is
coming down around you, and then ask how it applies? Gloria

-


From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: I have missed you all!

Lori,
	It was a quiet couple of days, it was nice. But, you are right, good
things have come from this even though it sometimes seems rather bumpy.
When you consider the conversations that have come down in the last six
months and everyone is still moving along with it, it is a good sign. 
	I do think it is time to tell Richard how much his sacrifice has been
appreciated by everyone. He was the link that started these friendships,
and had he not been inspired by spirit to go out on the limb nothing
would have manifested. I think he has had a couple of double edged
swords come into his life a couple of times, and in spite of it, he has
maintained himself. Even though he is somewhat worn down, I do believe
he has been a great blessing to all of us, and maybe we haven't
communicated it to him yet, in the fullness of our awareness.  
	It is easy to point out what is wrong when it comes down, but it is far
to easy to take for granted those people who are in action creating
change. Richard has stepped out on faith and he needs to know that we
all deeply appreciate him, and I for one love him very much. 
	I'm sure many people who read this will have the same feeling. Gloria



Date: Wed, 30 Oct  
From: Natha Bhaktyananda 
Subject: Re: The three dosha-s
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L.D. McClanahan has written:

>From my reading it appears
that the Yogas refer to three separate areas or Doshas of Kapha, Vata,
and Pitta that traverse the chest, throat, especially stomach; colon,
hips; and small intestine, stomach.  The Yogas five elements sound too
mythical for my comprehension (etc.)
-----------------------------

That is a very incomplete (or even distorted) view of what Yoga is, and
is mainly proceeding from books which try to relate in a simplified and
often materialistic manner Yoga with Ayurvedic medicine. Kapha, pitta
and vayu are the so-called three "dosha-s" (or humours) of the body
(also mentioned by Hippocrates), and they reflect only a certain truth
of the physical and etheric body. But the human being is much more than
a physical body, and yoga deals therefore with a much vaster reality;
the theory of the five elements is only an appetizer of this. All the
paranormal accomplishments from Yoga would be impossible to understand
just by reference to the three dosha-s...
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With blessing,

--
Natha Bhaktyananda 
K=F8bmagergade 28, 2., 1150 K
Denmark
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