kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 206 

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Cheesophobia -- Weekend

Dietary oddities are often a byproduct of k-awakening. Vegetarianistic 
leanings are common. I have been having this along with other dietary 
peculiarities. I have been dieting for a long time and have gradually 
lost 130# over the last 2-1/2 years and been able to keep it off 
(fingers are crossed as long-term success in weight loss is a rarity). 
During that time I have consciously adjusted my intake to reduce fats, 
calories, alcohol, sugar, dairy, etc. All with the intent of 
weight-reduction.

I also gave up most meat except poultry and fish. Since my K-A I have 
been unable to eat any meat (chicken immediately started feeling in my 
mouth like worms look to the eye). Also, cheese was very unappetizing. 
I have not been judgmental about meat-consumption in others, but have 
adamantly avoided eating it myself.

I assumed that this was prompted by a subconscious belief that I was 
'obliged' by the experience to do so. I wasn't concerned about it since 
this can (with a careful attention to the rest of my food intake) be 
healthy and help keep the weight off. I do now eat several slices of 
cheese pizza on Fridays and indulge in a mozzarella stick occasionally. 


What IS odd is that even though I have not been able to eat meat, I 
have a spontaneous and instantaneous reaction to being surprised by 
cheese. OK, that sounds weird, is weird, and Karen literally ROFL's 
when she sees it happen.

A good example happened this weekend. Karen, sister-in-law and I were 
at a restaurant for dinner. I had ordered a dinner salad for lunch and 
was doing the 'mystical thing' with the sister-in-law when the salad 
arrived. I was looking at her when it was set down and when I finished 
talking to her I turned toward the bowl to start eating. I then spotted 
the grated cheese sprinkled on top, reared back in horror, and let out 
a yell so loud that it startled people in the restaurant. Karen started 
laughing because she knew exactly what had happened - I was having a 
cheesophobia attack!

I had expected the normal three-leaves of wilted lettuce, pieces of 
shredded red cabbage and a cherry tomato laying on the side. As a 
result I wasn't mentally prepared for the sight of the cheese - the 
reaction I get is the same one that Karen gets when she picks up her 
nightgown and a large, hairy, black spider skitters out from 
underneath. I think she gets as big a charge out of seeing me react in 
the same manner as I tease her about (little, tiny spider; couldn't 
hurt you at all, etc.) as she does in the preposterousness of being 
startled by cheese!!!

Let's hear ANYONE top that for weirdness (BTW I get the same reaction 
to being surprised by meat, especially ground meat - looks like a 
horrible accident was scraped up, burned and slapped on the plate - 
no, not a judgment, just my current gut-reaction - I get startled by 
meat less often because I usually can smell it before I see it).
-
As an aside, yesterday we were in Modesto pleading with the DA to drop 
felony charges against our son (which he finally did, reluctantly). For
lunch we stopped in Taco Bell and I ordered my usual side of beans (no 
cheese), side of rice (no cheese) and a Diet soda. I dump the two 
together and stir to a mouth-watering, eye-appealing, baby-whoopsie- 
like viscosity (my way of getting back at those around me who are 
gourmandizing down large slabs of muscle-tissue sliced from the limbs 
of dead animals-).

We were chatting and eating (Karen avoids looking at my felicitous 
concoction to keep her stomach stable). Suddenly, I got this weird 
taste in my mouth - I KNEW exactly what it was - MEAT. Sure enough 
there was a little cube of chicken that had fallen in the frijoles and 
gotten in my mouth. I almost woofed my cookies! The whole back corner 
of my mouth felt rotten, tasted like a third-degree burn smells, I 
gulped the rest of my soda to try and wash out the taste. I managed to 
avert projectile vomiting at the table; barely.

Is my weird aversion to meat based more on some kind of sensitivity 
than subconscious philosophical adherence? All my other senses are 
altered, heightened, more acute.

Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
DAN-RF (RoFl)



Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: Natha Bhaktyananda 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #94

A star-creature (read: space-cake) has written:

Beloved Jan:
Beloved Woman:
Beloved Man:
.......
Be relaxed. Protect yourself and your aura with the blue-whitegolden
light of Arcangel Michael. Go into kundalini. Go deeper. Go higher.
Feel it, let it grow, let it  h a p p e n ! Then transformation may
o c c u r .
Be open for it. Want it. Want your pure love-light conection to the
fifth dimension.  Y o u  will have it.
The less you ask, the less you think, the sooner you will have it.
(etc.)
- ----------------------------

Sometimes this discussion list seems to go down to the dogs.
Ground-control is calling to Antares or Arcturus or
whatever-you-call-yourself? Am I still talking to a common-sense person
or at the other end of the line there is an IRRESPONSIBLE spacecake? If
the last is valid, maybe it would be better to take off to the galaxies
and leave this list to people who talk seriously about kundalini. I
have to say it even if I get flamed (or sued, it is more fashionable),
because phantasmagoric *advice* about kundalini is CRIMINAL.
Aldebaran-don't-know-whom is just a typical example of people who feel
free to give spiritual advice and guidance on kundalini as they would be
experts in it, while they are just victims of it (and sometimes much
worse). Several people have complained to me *privately* about it and I
cannot understand why nobody takes a clear stand against it. It is time
to put an end to this amatorish babbling from the stars and other such
phantasmagoria that loses people's time and sets many on wrong tracks.
There are people who are asking for serious advice or who confront
themselves with hard existential problems, and it is a shame (and a
CRIME) to misguide them. It is better for people who are not practically
qualified in the field (of kundalini), to come down to earth and say: I
have read so, or according to my opinion it may be so, but please stop
creating negative karma for yourselves by giving (apparently)
authoritative advice.
-
With spiritual blessings,

--
Natha Bhaktyananda 
K=F8bmagergade 28, 2., 1150 K
Denmark
Tf.: (45) 33930858, Fax: (45) 33930668


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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: Natha Bhaktyananda 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #94

Lia has written:

ch'i and prana are the saem basic life energy, but the chinese ch'i
meridians are different from teh yogic prana channels. soemthing i've
heard
and experienced, but don't know much more than that.

anyone else know more?
- ----------------------------

It is true, ch'i and prana usually mean the same, although usually ch'i
refers more to the part concerning bioenergy and vitality, while prana
also has many other connotations to the mind and psychic. And the
differences between the meridians and nadi-s are only apparent, since
there are about 72,000 nadi-s in yoga, and there *must* be a bunch of
them that will fit with those 12 from acupuncture.

Blessing,

--
Natha Bhaktyananda 
K=F8bmagergade 28, 2., 1150 K
Denmark
Tf.: (45) 33930858, Fax: (45) 33930668

-

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: Natha Bhaktyananda 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #94

Daljit Singh has written:

I am new to this list.  I am a sikh.  I have been mediating by focusing
on the mantra "Wahe Guru".  I have felt the kundalini awake many times.
During mediation my eyes seem to get focused onto my third eye.  I see a
yellow/white light there.  It seems like all of my being goes into my
head.  The above does not happen that often but about 2 or 3 times
during a week.

My question to you kundalinists is:

Where I am in the kundalini-awakening process?
--------------------------

-        Dear Daljit,

Apparently your Ajna chakra (Third Eye) gets aroused on its third
sub-level (corresponding to the astral body). However, in your account
there is not enough material to substantiate that it is your kundalini
that rises to Ajna chakra; I hope that you are able to make a clear
distinction between the mere activation of a chakra and the rising of
kundalini into that chakra. If you will insist daily on focusing upon
this light inside the head (which gradually turns electric-blue and
later moves towards the top of the head), you may soon experience a true
absorption and a strong rising of kundalini -- check it out if you are
ready and willing for it! There is a whole branch of yoga, called Taraka
Yoga (q.v.), that is consecrated to this kind of light-phenomena.

With blessings,

--
Natha Bhaktyananda 
K=F8bmagergade 28, 2., 1150 K
Denmark
Tf.: (45) 33930858, Fax: (45) 33930668



Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Digest V96 #94-authority

Natha Bhaktyananda wrote:
> 
> It is time
> to put an end to this amatorish babbling from the stars and other such
> phantasmagoria that loses people's time and sets many on wrong tracks.
> There are people who are asking for serious advice or who confront
> themselves with hard existential problems, and it is a shame (and a
> CRIME) to misguide them. It is better for people who are not > practically
> qualified in the field (of kundalini), to come down to earth and say: > I
> have read so, or according to my opinion it may be so, but please stop
> creating negative karma for yourselves by giving (apparently)
> authoritative advice.
-
Thanks for this.  I, too, find this tone a bit odd.  The most brilliant,
insightful, legitimate teachers I know of always make a point of
attributing their insights (usually to their own teachers)--and never
claim (or imply) the credit for some insight or idea is simply theirs. 
My impression is that footnoting the linage of information is actually a
fairly good, reliable sign of the "real deal."

This is a tradition that seems good (IMHO) to emulate.

Desikachar (Krishnamacharya's student and son) is a wonderful example of
this kind of humility and respect.

Thanks again,
J.



Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Peace, please

Dear Natha, 

I am alarmed that you take the name of kundalini to talk to anyone that way.
I find it especially alarming in view of the fact that this message talked
about love.

If you reread your letter you would notice that it is teeming with
judgement. In a loving way, I respectfully request that you speak from your
own experience and not condemn others who have an equal right to contribute
their exeperiences and observations.

The k manifests in many ways. What makes you think that you are really
qualified to judge another? How would you feel if someone judged you like
that? Do you really think you are being loving by writing letters like this?
Why are you so upset by someone talking about love? Must be a pretty chargy
subject for you.

Thanks for listening. 
-
Peace...traveler



Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 
From: lodpressATNOSPAMinetworld.com (Larry Newman)
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #94

Natha Bhaktyananda wrote:
-
>

> There are people who are asking for serious advice or who confront
> themselves with hard existential problems, and it is a shame (and a
> CRIME) to misguide them. It is better for people who are not practically
> qualified in the field (of kundalini), to come down to earth and say: I
> have read so, or according to my opinion it may be so, but please stop
> creating negative karma for yourselves by giving (apparently)
> authoritative advice.
->
> With spiritual blessings,
>
> --
> Natha Bhaktyananda 
> K=F8bmagergade 28, 2., 1150 K
> Denmark
> Tf.: (45) 33930858, Fax: (45) 33930668

Have to agree with you on this one. Thanks for confronting the issue.
Gloria



Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: not unsubbing

Hi

I've only been on the list for a short period of time, yet have watched 
so many 'regulars' leave, disatisfied, and I wonder if it is more than 
just coincidental.  It is as if, as Shakespeare put it, "There is a tide 
in the affairs of men..."  Is there a tide pushing us toward self 
sufficiency?  Do we abandon ship, then look upon it with distain though 
it has helped us in some way  to get from a to b even if by bouncing off 
ideas we disagree with?  Each of us faces the ultimate challenges of life 
and death almost alone. Here on this little boat in the sky called earth, 
we sail into uncharted waters with K.  The shoals are many.  While here, 
appreciating any input as beneficial in that it helps us to move towards 
our own selves, is important.  I read the stringent lines of Natha and 
feel the sense of purity it evokes in me. I read the sensuous lines of 
Ron / Antaris and remember that power of Love.  I read the lines of 
davelong trying to reach out off the screen to touch something very real 
and me and am grateful there is that kind of caring around me.  I read 
the confusion, the stories, the support,the humour,  the pieces of so 
many private lives of so many of you with  gratitude.  I guess I can't 
really help but being grateful to  each person who is on the list for one 
reason or another.  "Out there' we speak of none of these things.  We're 
too busy being politically correct, etc.   Maybe the winds of change are 
blowing us toward adulthood and here we stand like teenagers in leather 
jackets in winter, collars turned up to the cold, smoke rising from the 
fires of K. Maybe soon it will be time for me to grow up and try it 
alone, but not tonight.  Tonight, I'm just grateful for the many 
disparate voices out there who are riding the waves just as I am. 
Tonight, as I sit here feeling very bruised by life "out there", I'd like 
to say "thank you" to here. 

Good night

jan

PS  Sorry for mixing my metaphors.



Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: Jari Vanha-Eskola 
Subject: Affecting somebody else's Kundalini

-	Hi ya all!

Last night I had the strangest experience. I had a friend over and we
were talking about this and that. All of a sudden I felt my K starting
to flow from Root to Heart and it went on for about two minutes after
which I started getting spasms, too. My friend noticed this and
told me that he had done that... that just about the time when I had
felt my K flow he had tried to connect with me mentally, and had kept it
on! 

It was a nice feeling, unlike the last time when he did this. At that
time, he didn't mention what he was doing. It was last weekend when we
met at a disco. When he came in, I was immediately aware of his presence
and when we talked, my K started flowing again. We didn't talk for long,
but the energy flow just kept strengthening... so much so that I became
very uncomfortable and sick, twice I almost threw up. This went on for
about an hour after which I managed to calm down a little... but when I
met my friend again, the symptoms got worse and I told him that I can't
be near him since he makes me sick (literally! *grin*). But then we
decided that a little physical excercise (dancing) might help... and it
did. 

We've known each other for 4 months, and he's the one responsible
(unknowingly) for awakening (or sensitizing) me to K...  it's been very
gradual and only now I'm beginning to understand what has been going on
for quite some time.  I'm very happy to have been awakened like this, to
say the least!

Anyway, that as a background, I now have my head full of questions! Can
anybody start anybody else's K flowing, or is it rare and only happens
between people on the same "wawelength"? What does it mean, exactly,
being able to control somebody else's energy flow? Is it possible to
shield oneself from outside attempts to affect the K?

Regarding the last question, we actually experimented with it a
little...  since my friend had started my flow, I also tried to do the
same to him (without telling him).  He said he felt my attempts but
didn't want to let his K go, since he couldn't control it then (by the
way, he speaks with different terms, doesn't know K nor any other
'explanation' for this energy...  I'm slowly trying to teach him what
the K means...)

This all is very interesting and a little frightening, too, so I'd be
glad to hear your experiences with the K affecting other people! My
friend is even more afraid... he seems to think that the K is pulling us
together for some reason (which has been the case, actually... in the
beginning we met in the strangest places and had a few uncanny
coincidences to just be in the same place at the same time). 

So please, if you can shed any light on anything I've just written, do
share your experience!
	
				Ciao,		Jari
-- 
Jari Vanha-Eskola         !  Internet:  Jari.Vanha-EskolaATNOSPAMhelsinki.fi
University of Helsinki	  !  WWW: 	http://www.helsinki.fi/~vanhaesk/



Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: not unsubbing

Jan, 
I was very heartened to see your message....I hang on somethimes, day by day...

Yesterday I came across the most interesting topic on the web: www.talk.com-
Brain Tennis. It is a book called Thought Contagion: How Belief Spreads
Through Society. It is accessible under http://www.mcs.net/~aaron/tc1.html
for those who don't want to join Hotwired Magazine (even though it is free).
-
Anyway he talks in the most fascinating manner about the battleground of
beliefs and the wars that are waged for mind share. All religions
essentially are out to capture your mind share and go to all sorts of
lenghts to do so. This first chapter shows in amusingly true detail the many
ways in which this is done.

It makes sense that the k page is a battleground. Much like the California
coast is the home of so many natural disasters: mudslides, fires,
earthquakes, riots, etc. It is where the land is the newest, it meets the
Ocean, is still forming. So is k with consciousness, the evolutionary edge.
This I came to appreciated in a positive way. I got a much better sense of
why this list must carry this energy.

As to whether people stay around is another issue...I can easily imagine
those with open minds continuing to leave. I have been here from day one, so
may be one of the oldest peolple here, along with GLoria. Guess what! The
fundamentalists stay, the free thinkers leave.
Hmmmmmmm......interesting......I know the free thinkers know they will meet
again elsewhere.
-
I am reminded of when the Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Arabs and Orthodox
Christians all met, to decide what to do about declining membership. Their
differences became less important than this overriding problem of loss of
membership. Nice, in one way, but scary, in that retaining control over
other people was more important that the principle tenets of the faith.

nyway I am still here for now, though I feel like it is a day by day thing,
and any moment I might throw in the towel. One thing is for sure: May I
always honor this page and this process in the manner discussed above, and
may I always respect those who participate, whomever they are, and whatever
they think.

I can only pray that others will carry this same banner of respect on these
battlefields for mind share known as the kundalini list.

Best, traveler



-
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: Digest V96 #94-authority

 But there must be a way to differentiate between someone whose
>thoughts are the result of disciplined work and practice, and someone
>who's just kind of randomly "channeling."  There's a difference.

The point is that each of us is free to decide for ourselves what resonates
most dearly to us. What you percieve as random, the next person may percieve
as the keys to ultimate bliss.
>
>And I meant to say that even the most sophisticated do homage to their
>sources--and that it can be a mark of legitimacy and sophistication. 

Barbara Marciniak channels the Pleiadians---and many on the k list love her
channeling, yet she has no source or foundation....(other than her entities)

Seth (one of my favorite guides) was channeled. 
-
Carolyn Myss is a medical intuitive who channeled about healing...needed no
school...except maybe Norm Shealy, who needed no school.....but she is
really the one who talks about the k...so does Rosalyn Bruyere draw from
science and her psychic healing abilities...

Gopi Krishna was an independent thinker...instigated much scientifc reseach,
afterwards.

Many other examples of new thinking...hey, someone has to originate new
stuff, otherwise where would followers get material from? And just becuase
they are from the 5th dimension, or another reality, doesn't make them any
less, potentially.  

Seth has been studied by post-modern physisists who note that his channel,
Jane Roberts, a secretary in the 60's when she began, described the unvierse
according to advanced post-modern physics concepts she coulnd't have known
about or understood. Cool, huh?

>It just seems to me that one of the important ways
>to do this is to locate what we are saying--even if it's just located in
>personal experience--particularly in a forum like this where there is
>practically no context at all for comments. 

As I recall, Antaris has given out the web pages for his source. That seemed
like location.

In short, I thank you for an open, respectful reply and wish to do the same.
I believe that each of us has the power or potential to be a sage, a
wiseperson, a spiritual channel, etc.. We can certainly draw upon the wisdom
of others as we choose, and yet, we do not need that wisdom to authenticate
our own feelings and insights. The fact that we feel them ourselves is enough. 

Enjoyed your comments. Thanks, 

Traveler



Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: rjills 
Subject: Re: Affecting somebody else's Kundalini

Jari--. Yes somebody can affect others K.  Many gurus perform a ceremony called
Shaktipat. It is to get the K. going and some of their energy is transferred to
the others. In my experience this energy can be felt in the process. Welcome to
the list. Royale



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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: Peter Hadorn 
Subject: Galvaco

Hi there!

I am new to this list and not sure if this is the right place, but let 
me ask anyway:

Does or did any of you have contact with an entity called "Galvaco" or 
"Galvanico" ? If so, please mail me.

Peter



Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: Re: Digest V96 #94-authority
-
traveler wrote:
> 
> Many other examples of new thinking...hey, someone has to originate > new
> stuff, otherwise where would followers get material from? 

Because this went back out to the whole list (and they didn't see the
original context), I feel kind of obligated to clarify:  

I am absolutely NOT saying that we should not experiment and push ideas
to the edge.  Not at all--in fact I am puzzeled as to why this is coming
across. Mindless and inspirationless (culty?) enaction of pre-existing
formulas is certainly not very interesting.

My point was that the most radical, impactful thought *ultimately* seems
to come from people who also are well grounded and have a strong,
disciplined foundation--and locate themselves within that.  That's why I
used the example of Stanislav Groff.

> And just > becuase
> they are from the 5th dimension, or another reality, doesn't make them > any
> less, potentially.

But it also doesn't make them more.  Like poetry.  Dada.  And as far as
I know "channeled" information isn't usually particularly radical or new
at all--it's usually just re-packaging of ideas that have already been
floating around. It's fascinating, but no more or less fascinating than
comments from a naive next-door-neighbor or a schizophrenic out on a
walk (which I happen to like very much at times).  But then again, I
live in Venice, so maybe I'm more blase about this than the average guy.
- 
> Seth has been studied by post-modern physisists who note that his > channel,
> Jane Roberts, a secretary in the 60's when she began, described the > unvierse
> according to advanced post-modern physics concepts she coulnd't have > known
> about or understood. Cool, huh?

Yeah, that's cool. Even novel. But was it really so radical or new?  Not
especially--it sounds like it was actually familiar, recognizable
concepts for these guys.  What was astonishing was not so much the
concepts, but that it came from a secretary.
-
By the way, what are "post-modern physics?"  Physics that refer
nostalgically to formulas of the mid-twentieth century?  (Joking)
 
> As I recall, Antaris has given out the web pages for his source. That > seemed
> like location.

I would agree.

> Enjoyed your comments. Thanks,
-
Enjoyed yours, too!

Juliet



Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: Raunak Kothari 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
-
Hello!  Glad to be at last with others who know of reality.  From my own
        experience, it seems that glimpsing (cosmic) beauty is sufficient in
        itself for the arousal of kundalini--for it is kundalini that helps
        people recognize and appreciate true beauty.  Thus, it seems that art 
        (any beautiful manipulation of light, sound, or idea) should be the
        most powerful tool in making people aware.  Can anyone share
        experiences of kundalini arousals through experiencing the beauty of
        any of the arts?  I am particularly interested in stories that have
        aroused the energy.  Also, do any of you live in Austin or know of
-        anyone with a first-hand experience of kundalini in Austin?


Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Millenium

If you trust my 'visions', I have been 'told' that there were 35 
separate individuals (three were women!) that received spontaneous 
k-awakenings during the time of 'Christ' and each thought that they 
were 'chosen' and went off to preach 'new-age' crap that didn't jive 
with the Romans' point of view. They were all given the Roman 
crucifixion and were later amalgamated into the 'Christ' we know today. 
Lots of other people received spontaneous awakening at this same time, 
but kept their mouths shut and formed the core of what became the 
Christian movement. 'Christ' didn't cause the millenium, the millenium 
caused Christ or rather the radical Christian movement. The millenium 
is not a date, but rather a conflux of influences - many of them 
astronomical, that through spontaneous awakenings influences the minds 
of many people during a short period of time that subsequently affects 
the world for centuries to come. This period can be represented by a 
bell-curve with the peak influence in the center and the intervening 
years as the ends. The period is NOT 1,000 years, but is rather a 
decaying harmonic frequency. The last one centered around 1215, the one 
before that was centered around 75 B.C.E., before that 2600 B.C.E. We 
are already in this one and it peaked in the 1970's. Peak is a 
misleading term as the midpoint influence is strong for decades. People 
waiting for the 'Millenium' have missed the plane - it is upon us. The 
engine is kundalini awakening - originally spurred by astronomical 
conflux and then self-perpetuating as it passes from those 'struck' to 
those susceptible. The time between each peak shortens and will 
eventually not exist as it becomes a universal, perpetual situation.

Strange the ideas that come to mind when 'questions' are asked, eh?

Love and LAUGING LIGHT,
DAN-RF (RaptureFreak)  8-)