kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 185 

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: joyce bays 
Subject: New Subscriber

Hello everyone,
My name is Joyce. I'm not only new to this list but also to Kundalini.
the awakening started to happen just a few weeks ago durring a breathing
exercise. I didn't realize what was happening to me untill I spoke to a
friend of mine. He was supprised that I was doing this especially on my
own. I guess I didn't realize what I was doing. I have been spending the
last two days on the web reading everything I could come across. trying
to understand what is happening to me. Since Kundalini started awakeing,
It has come upon me a couple of times while I was not meditating. I feel
it riseing from the base of my spine, flowing easly until it reaches a
point around my ears, and then the preasure builds, and I get a terrible
headache.
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Has anyone else experience it this way, and if so any sugestions of how
to decrease the preasure ?

I also have experienced trembling, Fatigue, times when my heart sings
with joy,
flashes of heat, and low periods. I have also experienced a cleanseing
of things I had onced lock away real tight. This part I am thankful for,
it feels good to be free of them.

I have been a seeker all my life. Twenty years ago I started
meditations, but more of an off and on thing untill about 5 months ago
where I have been taking a more active part in elevating my spirit to a
higher vibration.

I guess you can say most of my life has been in service to others as I
was a nurse for over twenty years. i am looking forward to reading this
list with hopes of further insights to my awakening.

Love And Light
Joyce



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: to Karol Ann

I was wondering the same thing. Im still waiting for an answer from
Haakon as to whether or not Im on the mt list and if so how to post to
it.  Love Royale



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: K Anomalies

I was going to answer you privately but I dont have your address.  Yes,
I have experienced what you spoke of many times. I think it is K. but Im
not sure.  It comes and goes.  Royale




Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: [Fwd: Re: a piece of fluff - one better!]

Yeah Dan. Glad you brought up syncronicities cause Ive had alot of those
in mylife. Examples; I was driving in car with my son and telling him
that i thought i may be a reincarnation of Chief Setting Bull. Then we
both looked up and a bumpersticker on the car in front of us said, "
Custer deserved it".(Chief S.B. was once accused of killing Custer).
 Another ; Many times when I am talked to someone and the TV is on in
the background, Ill say  word and here the same word on TV. Only the 
topics are unrelated like Ill say clothshanger and so will someone on
TV. Weird stuff!  Royale


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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: New Subscriber

Joyce,

You wrote:
> I feel it riseing from the
>base of my spine, flowing easly until it reaches a point around my ears, and
>then the preasure builds, and I get a terrible headache. 
>
>Has anyone else experience it this way, and if so any sugestions of how to
>decrease the preasure ?

Welcome to the list!  I have found it to be very supportive to me personally
- I hope you find the same.  I have dealt with this same kind of pressure
many times.  When you even feel the first inkling of it coming - start the
work!  What I do is visualize my head as a tea kettle that has come to a
boil, and letting off mucho steam.   I see this and also feel it and hear it.
- At the same time I'm visualizing this, I  breathe it out.  Also I brush the
air around my head as if I am physically fanning the steam away from my head
up to dissipate in the air.  (do that for real, as there is a lot of energy
coming in & out of your hands)   Take a few moments to do this several times
during the day, to keep up with the energy flow.  Hope this helps you too!

>I also have experienced trembling, Fatigue, times when my heart sings with
>joy,
>flashes of heat, and low periods. I have also experienced a cleanseing of
>things I had onced lock away real tight. This part I am thankful for, it
>feels good to be free of them.

The same for me.  I just let myself tremble, as my body is needing to get
used to the new amounts of energy moving through.  When I relax into the
trembles, my body adjusts much more quickly.  Take heart - the joyful periods
start to last longer & longer!

Again, welcome.  You're amongst a lot of understanding friends.  Enjoy the
support....

Blessings,  Barb  ATNOSPAM--}}--}}-- (a cyber-rose)



Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: A Day without K

I've had two in a row and I'm wondering.  Is it a gift?  Have I done
something right? Something wrong?  Should I just relax and enjoy the freedom
from extreme symptoms, or be concerned that the K has left?  Do you all have
total days without any K?  Please advise.
		Mary,
	The Reluctant Earthling



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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I think Ronald says it all: LOVE! YES!

Re the other post on war: You said it was not a nuclear war, just paper, so
don't "warry" so much. Yes, of course, I see what you are saying, and I see
that value and the good intentions behind your communication. 

And what I am saying is that there are two kinds of games: win/lose games,
and win/win games. In the first, there must be a winner and a loser; in the
second, one only wins as much as the other can. 
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To date, most of our game has been win/win on this list. If you have a
different opinion you add it to mine, and we are both enriched. But when
people come along and invalidate others, they play a win/lose game. This is
invalidation; it can lead to violence (and greater forms of win/lose games,
including war) if not stopped. Hitler for example didn't go after Jews right
away; he progressively picked on small groups until his organization was
strong enough to go after bigger groups. No one stopped him along the way.

Richard, I know you love to ask (through suggestion) why I create things
like this on the list. I think it is because at some level, I know my
cosmology, just Tantric--is very different from a lot of others. We see the
world as divine, right here and now. How can you start a war against women
or the planet or anyone with this thinking? People are terribly threatened
by this thought! I tend to stand up for what I say. This is why I create
this effect on this list. I cannot stop being me, even though I want to at
times. And I see that one must defend oneself and set the record straight
before the nuclear bombs are directly overhead...my goal on this planet is
love and peace......to spread this.....it's a matter of conscience for me,
deep in my soul, a matter bewteen me and my love for where I am.
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I love you all, and thanks for everyone's comment. Yesterday was filled with
many, many miracles for me, some initiated by what happened here. I am full
of love.

Ronald, and Barb, and others, again, you said it all: LOVE is the frequency
that be the common ground on this list. I would love to talk about LOVE.

I love you all, and I love this list very much. A part of hopes to never
leave. And a part of me hopes that there will always be enough safety and
mutual love and respect for our differences, that I will want to participate
and play, too! And I hope that I will continue to grow, and listen to what
you all have to say, different as well as similar. I have been deeply
blessed by all contribtuions.


Love to you all, Patti



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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: A Day without K 2

Mary wrote: I've had two in a row and I'm wondering.  Is it a gift?
--------------------------------------------------
Dan wrote:  Marvelous synchronicity! Today is my day two also! I have 
noticed a periodic release from the train ride (with and without the 
whistles) of about two to three days. Anyone else?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 
From: joyce bays 
Subject: thank You

Hello everyone,
Just want to thank you for yor kind welcome to your group.
I'm feeling a little better about all this now. Just had a long talk
with a friend of mine who has had many years experience with Kundalini.
I think the worst thing was not knowing what was happening to me. I
gather the "K " was awakened in me to quickly. The best advice he could
give me was to take it eazy for awhile. So guess I'll just do smoe light
meditation untill my guide leads me further.
Love And Light
Joyce


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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 
From: Jan Watson 
Subject: Re: back to kunalini and then ....

Hello

Once, several weeks ago, you said, you'd write to tell us about the 
experience in which you got your name.  I'm waiting with interest and 
anticipation !! (Obviously not as patiently as I could, but then...)
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Re:  ascention  

For those who are not familiar with the levels, it might be helpful, 
useful  if you described and guided some through  the essense of each; 
especially if you did so from a practical rather than a theoretical 
view point.  

thanks

jan



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: New Subscriber

Hi Joyce and welcome. We are getting lots of newcommers lately! It keep
things very interesting.  I think you are expressiing the thoughts of
many here.  Royale



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Daljit Singh 
Subject: Eyes focusing on the third eye

Hello there,

I am new to this list.  I am a sikh.  I have been mediating by focusing
on the mantra "Wahe Guru".  I have felt the kundalini awake many times.
During mediation my eyes seem to get focused onto my third eye.  I see a
yellow/white light there.  It seems like all of my being goes into my
head.  The above does not happen that often but about 2 or 3 times
during a week.

My question to you kundalinists is:

Where I am in the kundalini-awakening process?  
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peace,
daljitSingh



Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: "Michael J. Davis" 
Subject: Re: Bow to the savior...or else!

At 12:26 PM 10/9/96 -0500, NannuATNOSPAMsanctum.com wrote:
>Well,  I^ve been sitting back, reading messages saying to turn the other 
>cheek; hit the delete; everyone should have their say, etc., etc.
>
>Bullshit!  This is not supposed to be a political forum,  nor is it supposed 
>to be the united christian network. If I want to talk about the politics of 
>abortion,  I^ll go to a list that deals with that subject;  if I want to be 
>rescued of my sins by some all knowing christian, then I^ll go to a list 
>that saves souls.
>
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Wow! What a response....what happened to all of this new age warm fuzzie
feeling let's love everyone? Geez...

Actually, if you go back and read the posts, no where in there was their any
politics mentioned. The topic was individual morality comparing abortion to
animal rights.

>But I^ll be damned if I will come to a list that has absolutely nothing to 
>do with either subject, only to find these assholes trying to shove their  
>beliefs upon me.  Whether I have the option to delete, turn my cheek, 
>whatever, is inmaterial.  I did not come to this list for this type of shit!
>

[Big snip of alot of profanity...]

Unlike Richard I would but this list down in 3 categories...those that ask
questions, those that answer questions, and those that talk about their
experiences. Sometimes that line is a little blurred by individuals, but for
the most part it seems to stay that way. This post for instance, is a very
bold statement of what is right and wrong for the list. Merely, of course,
your opinion. Exactly the same fashion as was Al Perhacs and "god junior".
What if I took offense to all of the profanity used in your post? Your refer
to Christians as SOB's and other things. Just because I subscribe to the
tenants of Christianity I must now suffer *YOUR* slings and arrows?
(Remember, I never said abortion was right or wrong, I merely commented on
the inane posts that resulted). You have managed to show from your post that
you are as guilty as they people you accuse. After all, how could they have
any validity in what they said or how they said it? *YOU* have decided it
was wrong. Not just wrong for you though, but for me and the entire list as
well. It's two sides of the same coin. Just like listening to Republicans
and Democrats...

One other point....remember how in my last post I mentioned that my
experience had shown that if you just let people say what they want and
ignore them they will go away? Only one other post on the topic has come
over from Mr. Perhacs and that was to say that his intentions were
misunderstood by those offended. All of the "high bandwidth traffic" on the
list has been in response to his post.  If everyone had just let Al say what
he wanted to or complained to him in private, none of the controversy would
have even arisen.  Amazing, huh?

Michael
*******************************
Michael J. Davis
Independent Network Consultant
mjdavisATNOSPAMcompassnet.com
PGP Public Key Available Upon Request
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, most just pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
                     - Winston Churchill



Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: susanmayATNOSPAMdigital.net
Subject: Two kinds of People (Spiritually speaking)

Hi K-listers,
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After much discussion about Richard's two groups of people, I thought I'd 
share a quote from one of my favorite kundalini writers, Rudi Rudolph (Swami 
Rudrananda, a disciple of Sri Nityananda).  In my favorite book by him, 
Spiritual Cannibalism, he says

"...There are two kinds of people: those who find a river and build a house 
near it and those who find a river and fight their way upstream.  It is the 
fight upstream which has to do with getting beyond the point of creation.  
Building a house near a river will bring about a family situation.  This will 
bring more life into the world, but fighting to go up the river will bring 
about rebirth."

I think some of the group breakdowns given so far have been based on 
psychological factors but I think this may be more of what you had in mind.  
Richard, isn't this more like what you had in mind and were getting at?

Namaste,
ATNOSPAMSue

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The people you pay enormous emotional prices to know are those who keep you 
alive.  Challenge is needed to keep you active; it brings weakness to the 
surface and exposes bad life patterns.  To overcome a difficult situation with 
another is of more value than to always find satisfaction and quiet with 
someone.  Growth comes through work."
Rudi, Spiritual Cannibalism



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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: A Day without K

Mary. I absolutely have days with out symtoms. In fact I usually dont
have many at any time. This may be good in my case as most of them
wer'nt that fun. They were interesting but not fun. Nowadays I just get
mostly really good vibs upon occation.  Royale

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: k-list policy

Micheal, I appreciate your intentions to create peace, and yet I beg to
differ with you on a certain point. 

You feel that if we ignore someone, no harm done. I disagree. I think that
the fact that this is a list that speaks up is what makes it a community
that insures that our list stays relatively on topic. We remain
self-monitoring, thus preserving free speech. 

The community process should not be devalued. Together we are creating the
list. People will post to here on the subjects, as they feel safe. If there
is too much chatter, people will start saying, "Too much chatter". If there
is too much of anything, people will speak up. And, hopefully, if it doesn't
feel safe, for whatever reason, people will speak up too. Freedom of speech
comes in more than one form.
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As you say, to treat one another with courtesy and respect is a great way
for all of us to make this place a haven of free, safe speech. Especially if
the person doing the offending does so multiple times, I hope, hope, hope,
that we will lovingly--or otherwise, if needed-- continue to remind this
person of the type of list we want to create.

I am grateful that we are such a conscious, caring, concerned and involved
group.

I also think that any  "offender" (and who knows, it could even be me, one
day,  even if it might be unintentional) who apologizes should be accepted
at his or her word, and welcomed back with open arms. 


Traveler



Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 
From: "PHUOC NGUYEN" 
Subject: Kundalini (Vietnamese way) 2

The breath

Options: It will help you to relax more and more easily and deeply. Also you 
can get your mind out of your busy daily job.

How? First focus your mind on your feet and make it become warmer only by your 
though. In every breath in and breath out, think that your feet become more 
and more heavier, more and more warm. Now with your breath try to move this 
warm and comfortable feeling up to your knee, to your thigh, then to your hand 
and to your whole body tell all your muscle to relax eeeaaasely. When slowing 
down your breath, but not to much, stay where you feel comfortable. The breath 
out (5 time of Om) is longer then breath in (3 count of Om) and hold your 
breath in 2 Om. So your formula of your breath is 5-2-3-2. The air come 
through your noise and ended at your abdomen. Try to imitate the baby breath.

Why the baby breath? We have two entry (the nose and the mouth) and two place 
to hold the breath (the lung and the abdomen). Compare to the Yin and Yan 
power, we also have from the entry: the nose with (+) the mouth (-) to those 
holding place: The lung with (+) and the abdomen the sign (-) …

If you combine the nose (+) with the lung (+): You have to much positive 
energy (+,+) that why you become so nervous …
If you combine the nose(+) with the abdomen (-): You become more stable : 
(+,-) (this is the baby breath).

If you breath with your mouth in ether ways: You will be sick, for sure.
(coming up: How to meditate with a subject just made for you) 
___Phuoc Nguyen



Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: LIShamanATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: k-list policy

Patti -

I agree with your policy of making this list a place of community, and being
open to ALL expressions, from ecstatic to revengeful.  I believe that this is
what loving community is all about.

Personally, I tend to avoid anger (my own, and others) at all costs.  The
postings of the past few weeks have given me a chance to explore and work this
process a little, i.e. "What is my response to this?  What is being set off in
me?  Is an active or passive response appropriate from me at this time?" etc.

It has been very helpful and fascinating to me to be part of this list, and
work with other conscious souls in this way!

With love,
John



Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: Peter Norton 
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: a piece of fluff - one better!]
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my funniest synchronicity so far (slightly off topic, sorry):

about 10 years ago, watching late night TV show of a flamenco dancer
and listening to an Elvis Costello album on the stereo, the flamenco
dancer started dancing just as the song 'I'm Not Angry Anymore' started
on the stereo, and they kept perfect time together, the dancer stamping
his foot at just the right places, and they ended at the same time!

cheers
-


Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: k-list policy

Traveler,

>I also think that any  "offender" (and who knows, it could even be me, one
>day,  even if it might be unintentional) who apologizes should be accepted
>at his or her word, and welcomed back with open arms. 

Does an apology have to made in order for an "offender" to be welcomed back
with open arms?  That doesn't sound like loving "unconditionally"  to me.
 Sounds more like you'd welcome & love upon a certain condition.

Just thought I'd make the point while I was passing through! ;-)

Heart to heart,  Barb  ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: monkey smile

In a message dated 96-10-09 14:44:16 EDT, you write:

  ^    ^
( 0 Y 0 )
     ||        Happy Halloween.Phuoc Nguyen
  \,,,,,/


Love that happy monkey face!  You brightened my day, Phuoc!  Thanks....Barb



Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" 
Subject: Re: k-list policy

> Traveler,
> 
> >I also think that any  "offender" (and who knows, it could even be me, one
> >day,  even if it might be unintentional) who apologizes should be accepted
> >at his or her word, and welcomed back with open arms. 
 
 
Being a "Public Offender" I will impart my method of being a part of a
list such as this. I use what I have heard called the grocery store
apoproach. While shoppin on this list I will put in my cart that which I
need or want and I leave anything else on the shelf. Why buy something
that I don't want?
 
I delete a lot of messages off of this list immediately because the
content a lot of time is totally not of interest to me. There have been
many sharing type posts by some of the women  on the
list and quite frankly I think that it is great that some of you
communicate and open up to each other so well, but if a post is not
speaking to me I discard it just like I would a wrong number on the phone. 
I am too busy to take every post that I find a disagreement with
and reply otherwise I would never get work done, and realize that some
subjects are just not for me.
  
 
Respectfully
 
Al Perhacs
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 
From: traveler 
Subject: Re: k-list policy

Barbara: You said:
>Does an apology have to made in order for an "offender" to be welcomed back
>with open arms?  That doesn't sound like loving "unconditionally"  to me.
>Sounds more like you'd welcome & love upon a certain condition.

Did I say that? Reread my letter, please. I never said anything of the sort.
This is what I said in context of what had already happened:

>I also think that any  "offender" (and who knows, it could even be me, one
>day,  even if it might be unintentional) who apologizes should be accepted
>at his or her word, and welcomed back with open arms.

As to the "offender" comment, we had already received an apology. This was
my way of stating a rule I use in my personal life: whenever someone
apologizes, I accept it. That forwards the motion of peace. 

Really, I have been misquoted quite a bit. I would appreciate it if people
would read what others are saying and respond appropriately. Responding to
something *other* than what was said is part of how these problems get started!

Thanks.

PS To get one more thing straight, there is a difference between
unconditional love and conditional love. I love all of you unconditionally
just for being who you are. But as to who I make friends with, personally,
and as to the standards I have for a community that I want to be in, I have
conditions, of course. I am not so evolved as to be beyond that nor would I
want to be. I ask for courtesy, thoughtfulness, listening, etc, and I will
do my best to return the same.

As far as I can tell, no one has ever been excluded from this list, other
than by self-exclusion. It is not up to me to exclude; I can only welcome,
from a genuine, true, honest place in my heart. 
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With each person on this list, I have a relationship, realized or potential.
So do you and so does each of us. It is up to each of us to decide what
those relationships are going to be, a negotiation each time. I would hope
never to suggest otherwise, for it wouldn't be true. What is your standard?

Best, Traveler