kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 166 

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

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From: shelley a. reynolds      \ Internet:    (xzqw48aATNOSPAMaloha.net)
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 

I have been experiencing kundalini for almost 20yrs. I just recently learned
what i experience has a name, and that others also experience it. For years
i have been afraid of this experience,thought i was having siezure activity,
or something evil was going on. I would feel intense waves of what felt like
electrical currents running through my spine and up through my head.in the
past i would be so afraid i would always try and stop it or make it go away,
when this would happen the intensity would increase. im not as afraid
because i have some understanding, now.however im experiencing kundalini
more frequently and more intensly,not sure what this means,can anyone help? 


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I really think I write about everyday life.  I don't think I'm
quite as odd as others say I am.  Life is intrinsically, well, 
boring and dangerous at the same time.  At any given moment the
floor may open up.  Of course, it almost never does; that's what
makes it so boring.
Edward Gorey



Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: How to control side-effects of K ?
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-> This sounds scary... could you please explain this a little further. I
-> didn't start Kundalini meditations to become a lunatic in the eyes of
-> other people... Are you saying that Kundalini might cause mental
-> illnesses? 

        Hi Kari, it is true that western medicine does not comprehend
kundalini.  The problem is that a chronic, severely debilitating
disease called schizophrenia (which is usually a gradual onset, early
in life) causes symptoms (such as a glimpse into the unity and the
primal split underlying all creation) mimics higher level chakras.
        A person who has schizophrenia is unable to control the
openings from "pure consciousness" and his ego fragments. It is
a total waste of a person.
        However, there are some experiences which are not mental
illness, but mimic the symptoms and the MDs can't tell the difference
so they might put you some very heavy-duty meds that can completely
block your spiritual and conscious evolution. These experiences
are "spiritual emergencies" and "spiritual emergence symptoms."
It's pretty sad when a person who is in mid-life and suddenly lets
the gate open from pure consciousness and is thrown temporarily
off balance by the experience, and if he is then diagnosed something
like schizo-affective or bipolar, his awakening can sadly get
medicated away into total unsensitivity to the Light.
        If a person truly has the malignant disease of schizophrenia,
he will not have the cognitive ability to integrate the severe split
that occurs within his psyche. These people are casualities, but
perhaps the illness has a larger meaning in the universal order of
meaning. If a person truly is ill, he will continually regress to 
the level of the 2nd chakra (usually) and remain stuck there. If
the experiences come suddenly, such as later in life, after a loss,
a success, a failure, a crisis, etc., it's a good bet that they
are manifestations of either a Spiritual Emergency or Spiritual
Emergence signs. Medicating these out of existance is as unconscionable
as withholding medication from a true schizophrenic victim.
It's a fine line to walk, but the #$%&* MDs have GOT to learn 
the difference!!

Hope this helps,
Melody
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. There are two sides to every coin.
I can formally ask a question and have the right to express my view as I
see it so long as it does not go against or harm anyone else. Since
nothing I have written has been of a nature not haveing to do with the
kundalini, I feel I have the privledge to request a right to participate
in general discussion with all recipients. I have made nice friends here
and they can attest to my character and behavior on the net. I think it is
unfortunate that you feel as you do, but I will respect your request
formally. In return, I ask that my fellow list members, especially those
with whom I have come to know as e-mail friends not misjudge me
considering the dual identity the other participant chose to express her
views on this list. While I will certainly honor your request, I will not
be held back from public responses since I have never broken any of the
rules or laws regarding E-mail and the use of it. Thank you.

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Richard Satin wrote:

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> From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com     \ Internet:    (reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com)
> 
> hi,
>     as far as easing the pain, i follow a few simple rules, mostly from
> chi kung practice that makes the sensations more bearable.
> 
> 1.  keep the tongue up, this completes the major energy circuit.
> 2.  eat moderately.  i personally don't eat any meat, or most canned
> food any more.  i find the more healthy in general my lifestyle the
> better things go.
> 3.  be careful with emotions.  remember you are purifying yourself, and
> also you are more electric now than before.  a little negativity hurt
> you before, but subtly, now it really hurts.
> 
> 4.  lay on the ground, hug trees, drink lots of water.
> 
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> best wishes
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> --
> It was completely fruitless to quarrel with the world, whereas
> the quarrel with oneself was occasionally fruitful, and always,
> she had to admit, interesting.
> May Sarton
> 
> 


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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: GREG KERNAGHAN 
Subject: kundalini=drama

I've been reading these 'postings' for a while and it seems like
everybody who has an 'awakening' is plagued by trouble (physical,
psychological, practical i.e. microwave oven doesn't work, t.v. and
flouro lights drive you nuts, street lights stop working when you walk
under them, can't stand some people... etc etc etc)
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If this is so, why in the hell is everybody trying to do the big K?

In addition, how about posting some groovy ways of firing up the big K
so others can mess with the microwave too!

Greg Kernaghan



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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center (fwd)

I accidentally may have messed up mailing my repky to the list so I hope
if anyone cares, my reply is read. Thanks.

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From: Mark Rivera 
To: Richard Satin 
Subject: Re: Fwd: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. There are two sides to every coin.
I can formally ask a question and have the right to express my view as I
see it so long as it does not go against or harm anyone else. Since
nothing I have written has been of a nature not haveing to do with the
kundalini, I feel I have the privledge to request a right to participate
in general discussion with all recipients. I have made nice friends here
and they can attest to my character and behavior on the net. I think it is
unfortunate that you feel as you do, but I will respect your request
formally. In return, I ask that my fellow list members, especially those
with whom I have come to know as e-mail friends not misjudge me
considering the dual identity the other participant chose to express her
views on this list. While I will certainly honor your request, I will not
be held back from public responses since I have never broken any of the
rules or laws regarding E-mail and the use of it. Thank you.

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Richard Satin wrote:

> 
> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
> 
> From: reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com     \ Internet:    (reikiATNOSPAMbbs.pennet.com)
> To:   Richard Satin            \ Internet:    (libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com)
> 
> hi,
>     as far as easing the pain, i follow a few simple rules, mostly from
> chi kung practice that makes the sensations more bearable.
> 
> 1.  keep the tongue up, this completes the major energy circuit.
> 2.  eat moderately.  i personally don't eat any meat, or most canned
> food any more.  i find the more healthy in general my lifestyle the
> better things go.
> 3.  be careful with emotions.  remember you are purifying yourself, and
> also you are more electric now than before.  a little negativity hurt
> you before, but subtly, now it really hurts.
> 
> 4.  lay on the ground, hug trees, drink lots of water.
> 
> 
> best wishes
> 
> 
> 
> ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------
> 
> 
> --
> It was completely fruitless to quarrel with the world, whereas
> the quarrel with oneself was occasionally fruitful, and always,
> she had to admit, interesting.
> May Sarton
> 
> 



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Christs frequency

To Gloria:  Yeah, what is that frequency anyway. Id like to try it. 
Royale



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Mark Rivera 
Subject: Re: Sexual post
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I respect your wish and messed up mailing this reply accidentally sending
it twice to Richard Satin. Sorry Richard. I just want to write that in no
way have I ever engaged in any behavior on this list and with it's members
that did not have anything to do with a genuine question regarding the
topic posed to the public and regarding it's relationship to kundalini. I
just found it odd that you had to use two different identities to post
your view. While you have every right to preserve your identity, I also
reatin a right or privledge to respond to topics of discussion on this
list publically even if you post them so long as they are not in any way a
form of harassment or abuse or deviate from the topic of discusion. Since
I am not guilty of any of this, I ask that those who know me and have
become friends on-line not judge me based on one person's view, since this
person credibility is questionable at best if she needs to cover her
identity to create different posts. Anyway, those who know me, I ask to
please see support me as well. I will respect Patti's wish, but I am a
contributing member of the list and have received as well as helped others
here. I therefore will respond to public notes to recipients if I choose
to regarding whatever they talk about, including yours and if you do not
wish to read my mail, you can always delete it. Either way, your wishes
are respected and my membership in this community is nor jeopardized by
your formal requests. Thank you.

Mark


On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, traveler wrote:

> >Return-Path: 
> >From: Mark Rivera 
> >To: traveler 
> >
> >I found Osho to be long winded. The sight had little to it and the mailing
> >list was not friendly. People never wrote back. I think your answer is a
> >cop out. Interesting you have to writeunder two seperate identities. What
> >are you hiding?
> >
> Dear Mark,
> 
> I am doing this in public because I am formally asking the list for my
> support in asking you not to correpsond with me further. I have done my best
> to answer your questions to my best knowledge. Please stop any and all
> further private communication with me.
> 
> Thank you, sincerely, Patti
> 
> 



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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: k, my hearing aids & my pager

I though of something else too. Since my K.it seems like I get more and
more sensitive with age.  I can feel the currents emitted from electric
blankets, t.v.remotes and small appliances like that. Can you? But i
havnt blown out lights since I was very young. Dont know why.  Royale

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: psychosis and awakening                                 

Subject: Re: psychosis and awakening                                 

To: Del Taylor 

John,
     How old are you and when did this start to happen - did it come on 
gradually, or suddenly? How long has this been going on? 

     IMO (and I'd appreciate any feedback on this idea), the voices are 
part of your Core self split off and you are probably also sensing 
energy from Pure Consciousness - often called, "The Ground" or "Unity" 
or "The Tao." For some reason - it may be a physical/neural deficit, or 
early trauma, or combination of several factors that have caused you 
to not be able to construct an adequate "ego" or self-boundary which is 
the FILTER between us and Pure Consciousness. We need this filter in 
order to be an individual, to function in this world. But it can hurt 
you if it breaks down enough (if the dam gates open and flood) but it 
can impede you also if you are separated too much from The Ground. 
Remember, we are body, mind and soul - whatever affects one, affects 
the others. 

     We can't handle it all being dumped onto us at once; our Self 
collapses and fragments under the weight and confusion of it's 
vastness. If you are in torment and in pain because of this, you need 
to find an M.D. who can prescribe some medication that will relieve you 
of the pain and torment. Nobody should have to suffer!! I have to take 
some pills for this problem, myself, but I know it is not wrong and 
it's not my fault. I need the help to adjust just how much of the 
Ground I can take in at one time. There's nothing wrong with getting a 
little bit of help. I just WANT the Light so bad and I want it NOW like 
a spoiled child, but I'm a very sensitive and deep-feeling person and 
cannot handle it all at once. 

     If you find that you need a little outside help in the form of 
chemicals to control the torment, accept that assistance and THEN by 
all means, you can begin to work with taking small, manageable "sips" of 
Pure Energy. But remember, you should not have to suffer!  

     Caution: if you let this problem go on too long until you become 
disabled, unable to work, and you lose your ability to be around people 
and to communicate effectively with them, then it may be too late to 
create the fragile balance needed so that you can ascend in your 
chakras and continue in your evolution of consciousness. There is 
a FINE LINE between conscious evolution (spiritual emergence) and 
debilitating illness, in some cases. You can't let the voices go on and 
fragment the Split between your head and your heart because you will, 
with time, lose something precious called "cognitive ability" and we 
desperately need cognitive ability in order to achieve the maximum in 
conscious evolution. 

     Every time you hear the voices, it might be helpful to chant an 
affirmation like, "I will keep my head to my heart and my heart to my 
head." (I have also been told that you can also talk back to the voices 
sometimes and just not listen to the negative ones, but I don't have 
any direct experience with this.)      

      Please let me know if you have any other questions and I will do 
my best to answer them. It is very difficult to find a doctor who is 
sensitive to this issue, but  didn't somebody here say that 
the Portal is opening and energy is very strong all over, so there must 
be some doctors out there somewhere who understand. What state are you 
in? 

     You can also try calling the Spritual Emergence Network and ask to 
talk to a volunteer "listener" in your area. Their number is: (408) 
426-0902. I can't vouch for their advice, though. There is a problem 
that because of the two polarized schools of thought, western and 
eastern, that you might get an imbalanced view from the eastern side as 
well, saying that all these signs are spiritual emergence signs. Not 
true. Signs of chronic 2nd chakra regressions can clearly be signs of a 
serious health problem (in mind, body and soul) and should be treated by 
an MD. It is easy to mistake benign chakra ascension for malignant
chakra regression, but if this prophesied vast evolutionary process is 
going to go forward, the drs. are going to *have* to learn about the 
Primal Split.

Think about this:

     "Each person is at each moment capable of remembering all that has 
happened to him and of perceiving everything that is happening 
everywhere in the universe. The function of the brain and nervous 
system is to protect us from being overwhelmed and confused by this 
mass of largely useless and irrelevant knowledge, by shutting out most 
of it. According to such a theory, each of us is potentially Mind at 
Large."   - Aldoux Huxley

John, you wrote to me:

TR>Melody,
TR>Its me with the internal voice/voices nagging/torturing me all the time.
TR>Can you please help.
TR>John Taylor
 
Blessings and light (but in moderate, assimilateable amounts),
Melody

 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Learning to awaken intuition is paradoxical.



Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: My daughter's illness

This message was originally addressed to KUNDALINI -LATNOSPAMEXECPC.COM 
and was forwarded to you by MELODY GAVIGAN 
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Subject: Re: My daughter's illness: Ronald                            
 
Ronald, 
     Thank you very much for your empathetic post. I carry some  
responsibility for my daughter's illness. She would not be ill if I  
knew how to transmit my heart chakra energy to her properly. Her  
illness has a very definite reason, of that I am sure. 
(By the way, she is looking much better today!) It is SO VERY important  
that we continually send divine energy to our children. They are so  
vulnerable to being drained of their vitality by an ignorant adult. 
 
In surrender always to Unconditional Love, 
Melody 
 
LE>Beloved Melody, 
  >first don4t please think, that you are not a goofd mother; 
  >thinkings are "THNIGS" and we should be very clear this days, what 
-  >we are thinking, because it becomes reality - we are Co-Creators! 
  >Second we are ONE and as ONE starry beeing we are going to this 
  >PORTAL created by us now into the fifth dimension. This will happen 
  >now - these days. High energies are on the earth and therefore many 
  >people are confused. But don4t let  y o u  get confused, be sure 
  >that you are be loved and cared for by the father-mother-GOD herself! 
  >I AM ANTARIS RA MELCHIZEDEK 
  >limiteATNOSPAMinfonet.com.py 
 
 * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Fill our emptiness not through our mate, but thru Spirit. 
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Sexual K Experiences: Steve: (Spoiler)

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>in a state of utter and complete surrender and the man is relaxed and
>not worrying if he is performing adequately etc., I believe that energy
>from heaven goes through the man, into the woman, and cycles back this
>way.

i, too have experienced this. at times both me and my husband ahve gone
into shaking spasms becasue of the fluctuations of the energy.

>      Thus, the beginning of my awakening. It's just too bad that this
>man won't explore with me further.

yes, it is, but it is probably best in the end. i'm sure you will find
someone who you can explore this further with. its becomes one long and
wonderful adventure.


blessed be

Lia



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Sexual post

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>body orgasm without being touched, I wouldn't have cared or learned about
>any of this. For me I found orgasm as a way to get back home, into the
>light, any time I wanted to. Pretty neat, huh?
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touched for about 20 mintues at a time. in fact, if anyone touched me at
this time, they just get longer adn more intense and teh spontaneous
backbends start happenning.

i say spitirual/physical because sex is now a spiritual act for me. as i
think it was always intended to be.

lia
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: k, my hearing aids & my pager

i, too have had problems with elictrical things since my kundalini started.
i can't wear a watch without it skipped 4 hours ahead. a woman i know said
she had the same problem but once she started wearing a wind-up watch that
didnt' have quartz in it she didn't have that probalem any longer.

i've ben wondering my the modem screws up when i'm using it but not whne my
husband does. i guess i have the explanation here.

i hope i can "stop doing it" though its kind of funny when the lightbulb
burns out as i go to turn off the lamp to get my husband to stop reading
and come to bed :)

lia
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: kids and k

>Hi all
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>I'm still gathering all sorts of information and the next step for me is
>to ask for info from you about children.  Just as we affect the male /
>female in our lives with our energies blasting, so too I suspect we
>affect our children. I notice distinct differences in one of mine  when
>the energies are  particularly high in me.  He becomes, restless, hyper
>sensitive, has strange dreams, and sometimes seems to 'blank out'.   Any
>one know of any books that may deal with this side of K?
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yes, please post any books about this subject.

i've watched my son go into a trance as a wave of K energy hit me and i had
to ring my tibetan cymbals over him to gently bring him out of it. he was
only 3 months old at the time and it really freake dme out so i make sure i
don't meditate in front of him anymore.

thanks

lia



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: How to control side-effects of K ?

>I started practising chakra meditation about 2 weeks ago and immediately
>noticed that my sexual desires intensified.  Then after a week of
>practising Root and Sex Chakra meditations I began waking up in the
>middle of the night, feeling uneasy, sort of anxiety and having
>uncontrollable muscle spasms.  Fortunately, just a day earlier somebody
>had posted an article to this list dealing with K side-effects, so when
>the spasms happened, I knew what was happening even though it felt a
>little frightening since nothing of the sort has ever happened to me.
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>During the past week this has happened three times and it's getting a
>little annoying... So I was wondering: does anyone have any suggestions
>how to control those 'attacks' or even make them stop? I've even
>considered giving up chakra meditation to get rid of the side effects...

in my experience, concentrating on the root chakra will increase your
sexual desire immensely. i fyou dont' want this, you may want to try some
other meditation technique. i actually enjoy the spasms, and dont' find
them annoying at all, so my adivce about those would be to just "go with
it"
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>I'm following a book called "Kundalini Awakening: A Gentle Guide to
>Chakra Activation and Spiritual Growth" (or something in those lines,
>don't have the book with me at the moment) and I've advanced up to my
>Heart Chakra.
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>I do meditations at night before going to bed (at about 1 am) and then
>usually wake up around 3 or 4 in the morning for about 20 minutes...
>Might the time of meditation affect my sleep? Would it be better to
>meditate in the morning?

most definitely meditation before bed will affect your sleep! K also
affects your sleep though, so it could be either. i find that meditating
aroudn 11 am works best for me.
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>Also, haakonuATNOSPAMtelepost.no (Haakon Rian Ueland) wrote:
>To round off - in my opinion, mental "illness" and Kundalini are closely
>related, quite simply because our Western medical system doesn't understand
>what a Kundalini Awakening can do to a person.
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>This sounds scary... could you please explain this a little further. I
>didn't start Kundalini meditations to become a lunatic in the eyes of
>other people... Are you saying that Kundalini might cause mental
>illnesses?
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manifestation of K may be a bit too strong for someone who has
unintentinally awakened it and so their state of reality gets confused.

i met a woman who was in a mental hospital for 3 years before a
psychiatrist recognized her "illness" as signs of kundlaini awakening and
got her off the drugs and taught her how to deal with this. (i dont' know
who this doctor was and this was quite a few years ago in Toronto)
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lia



Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: sex and k?
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>Well here's my first message on these subjects...
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>what exactly is it about k that increases the sex drive, or is that just
>part of its nature?

i think that increase in sex drive is part of teh K nature, as part of its
manifestation is semi-orgasmic experiences, with or without sex.

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>I just wondered what to do about it, I mean, as a single, non-involved man,
>it can get rather annoying, and wondered if there were methods of working
>with this to make it more bearable rather than having my sex drive running
>at near 100% all the time with little or no outlet for the energy.

i've seen some yoga exercises in a book i have that supposedly help channel
the sex drive into "higher realms". if anyone is interested i can dig up
the book and post them.


lia
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: kundalini=drama

>I've been reading these 'postings' for a while and it seems like
>everybody who has an 'awakening' is plagued by trouble (physical,
>psychological, practical i.e. microwave oven doesn't work, t.v. and
>flouro lights drive you nuts, street lights stop working when you walk
>under them, can't stand some people... etc etc etc)
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>If this is so, why in the hell is everybody trying to do the big K?

some of us aren't trying. it just happened and it won't stop. there are
many beautiful parts of the k that i think we dont' post about becasue
they're easy to deal with, and they sometimes make teh hard stuff easier to
deal with.
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>In addition, how about posting some groovy ways of firing up the big K
>so others can mess with the microwave too!
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>Greg Kernaghan

dont' know. mine just happened.

lia