kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 162 

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 

Subject: Re: Dan*s possibilities...

Patti wrote:
>Yes, sex and k are strongly connected. This is why I thought that in order
>to protect those of us who don't like flames we should go to a private chat
>room. This is not a free internet, whether we like to think it is or not.

I agree that perhaps some things are left to private chats.  However, I'll
second the motion that such things can be posted to the list if the
beginning of the post contains a warning of a sort.

Perhaps:
**THIS POST CONTAINS INFORMATION OF A SEXUAL NATURE AS IT RELATES TO
KUNDALINI!!! 
THOSE WHO MAY BE OFFENDED BY THIS, PLEASE DELETE THIS POST NOW!!!**

I would then skip a bunch of lines so as it does not even appear on the
screen, and then start to write.  It may be a bit much to do, but for those
of us who wish to explore K in all its aspects (I'm sure there are many in
the group who do), then perhaps this is worth it to avoid offending someone.
Even putting some sort of symbol in the subject line could make things
easier for all.

I do not wish to start and endless debate on whether or not we do this.  I
suggest we come to a quick and firm decision, one way or another, and then
get on with all relevant information.


In Service to the Light,





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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Dan*s possibilities...

>BY the way, Internet Explorer has netmeeting, a great chat room
>facilty...Any other suggestions?

What is this Patti? a commercial ad pushing Microsoft? 

Ok, to be fair, you should mention Netscape has cooltalk, and there's Mirc
(IRC chat), and Vocaltec internet phone 3 (for win 3.x) and v4 for win95
with whiteboard and conferencing, and digiphone, and Intel has one too.

so there are a myrid of ways people can pair off or conference in small
groups if they want to. theres a kundalini IRC channel, but it doesnt get
used much. internet phone is my favourite. easiest to use and all, and
doesnt require win95.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Dan Gahlinger 
Subject: Re: Dan*s possibilities???

At 09:57 AM 9/25/96 +0000, you wrote:
>I 2ond that  Gee, there are so many new people on the list now
>I feel like Im starting all over again. Where are the oldies but
>goodies?  Mabe it would be a good idea to restate our initial
>descriptions of our K. experiences?  Royale

and perhaps we could all change the subject? this has nothing to do with me!
Dan.
there are always possibilities...



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Female Kundalini Symptoms

This is a reply to the person who asked about specific symptoms that women
might have during "K".

Re; Eating.  while I do eat meat, there are many foods I must avoid owing to
allergies.  For a while these were worse, but seem to be moderating, 4 years
into the process.

Re; perfume.  I have experienced the musky perfume and concluded that I am
excuding it from my own body.  It probably is related to the meeting of the
male/female aspects.  Scent is a major source of attraction, and we all
eliminate phermones.  The site of the production of the perfume seems to be
the bridge of the nose.  It also seems to be related to the Jacobsen's organ
that felines, and snakes have.  This senses the scent/taste of the air---take
your pick here.

Re: lotus position.  This sets the spine straight, and is why meditators use
it.  I have found  that I am very aware if my spine is even a little
off-balance.  It drives me nuts!

Re: periods/hormones etc.  I was going through menopause, and had a very
difficult time.  So here I don't know which problems were normal and which
due to "K". However, all problems have disappeared now, and I think all my
hormones are in balance.  Everything seems to have been rebalanced by "K"
whether they were to do with the feminine or not.  My thymus gland also seems
to be active now.  This normally is only active in childhood.  "To enter the
kingdom become as a child"  Perhaps it is a more literal saying than we
think.
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Re: Sex  My sense of touch is totally heightened. In fact in some way I seem
to sense through my skin, even picking information up that way.  So sex is
better, but the downside is that I find it extremely unpleasant to be near
some people physically, because they literally make my skin crawl.  I think
this may also be because the aura is bigger, and so I am interacting at that
level more too.  So I pick up negative vibes more easily. 

Hope this helps
Love Jule   
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Steve Elsner 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #49

>Yes, sex and k are strongly connected. This is why I thought that in order
>to protect those of us who don't like flames we should go to a private chat
>room. This is not a free internet, whether we like to think it is or not.
->
>BY the way, Internet Explorer has netmeeting, a great chat room
>facilty...Any other suggestions?
	I have suggested this a while ago, not necessarily for avoiding 
flaming but in order to have a live discussion.... live groups are far 
more dynamic than mail lists, although mail lists allow you to go into 
more detail.
	But a more interactive forum opens up new, perviously unexplored 
possibilities, like experimenting with directing group energy (which 
could be very powerful with a K-awakened group, even over great 
distances) using the net to coodinate the participants.  That is an area 
I am very interested in investigating but there seems to be little 
existing effort for me to research.  As a result, I want to eventually 
create a web page dedicated to such things.  If anyone could contribute 
ideas, material, ANYTHING, contact me.  I have PLENTY of web space to use.
	But I digress!  As far as just meeting in the first place, I 
suggest using IRC.  No offense to I.Explorer, but it is non-standard.  
IRC is a standard means of communication open to nearly anyone on the net.
	Alternately, we could all meet in a Talker (like a MUD) via Telnet.
I could provide a room for such purposes online.... contact me in interested!
I'd love to chat with y'all on a more direct basis :-)
Give me some ideas... I'm a student and have more time than I knnow what 
to do with so I could probably very easily coordinate such things on a 
regular basis.
Love and light.
	Steve!

--
Rev. Steve Elsner! HM/SH, 2nd Kyu Shotokan
stevieATNOSPAMthepentagon.com
http://www.voicenet.com/~stevie



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: ADMIN:  Sexual posts

This is an excellent suggestion.  Why don't we try it for the time being.  
-Richard
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> Steven wrote:

> I agree that perhaps some things are left to private chats.  However, I'll
> second the motion that such things can be posted to the list if the
> beginning of the post contains a warning of a sort.
> 
> Perhaps:
> **THIS POST CONTAINS INFORMATION OF A SEXUAL NATURE AS IT RELATES TO
> KUNDALINI!!! THOSE WHO MAY BE OFFENDED BY THIS, PLEASE DELETE THIS POST
> NOW!!!**
> 
> I would then skip a bunch of lines so as it does not even appear on the
> screen, and then start to write.  It may be a bit much to do, but for
those
> of us who wish to explore K in all its aspects (I'm sure there are many in
> the group who do), then perhaps this is worth it to avoid offending
someone.
> Even putting some sort of symbol in the subject line could make things
> easier for all.
-
--
If a man like Malcolm X could change and repudiate racism, if
I myself and other former Muslims can change, if young whites can
change, then there is hope for America.
Eldridge Cleaver



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: UFO and K (Re: Words)

 you may be right on ufos, but who can know without evidence?  
Or experiences?  Royale



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: Kundalini...

Hi Greg. Theres a good book called Energies of Transformation by Bonnie
Greenwell that has alot on info. of the type you are talking about. The 
technical stuff and also other things. While the scientific approach is
good in some situations, I have found that  it doesnt work particularly
well in K stuff. Royale



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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center

Lots of Luck. Royale



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: mabATNOSPAMrio.com (Margaret A. Blaine)
Subject: chat room

I think having a chat room would be a wonderful idea.  I have a chat program
called Powwowm and another called Free Agent.  I would like to encourage us
to have a chat room. 
                                    Margaret



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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: women's K experience

>From: Bee Cotterill            \ Internet:    (aquariusATNOSPAMnetvigator.com.hk)
>
>These are questions for female members really. I would like to know if,
>during my kundalini experience:
>1. Can I eat meat without dissipating the experience?
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probably. i only eat poultry and fish occasionally but have actually found
that lately, i've been wanting more of it and have actually eaten a bit of
pork. this may or may not be realted to teh stronger kundalini sensations
i've been having recently.

>2. Can I safely drink small quantities of alcohol?

dont' know. i've never been able to drink becasue of the lack of a certain
enzyme in my liver. a sip of wine goes straight to my head.
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>3. Can I drink tea?

it doesn't seem to cause problems with me.

>4. Does fondling and caressing or an orgasm without sex awaken the kundalini
>more?

i think that any orgasm, with or without sex, will awken the K more.

>5. Is it safe to have sex when the kundalini is gradually simmering?

i don't know if it is safe, but it is very fun :))

>6. Can acupuncture clear the meridians for the kundalini?

i've had very little acupucture done on myself so i'm not sure. i mentioend
on an earlier post that the chinese meridians are different from the yogic
nadis so this could b beneficial or harmful. i think it probably wouldn't
hurt if it was done by a knowledgeable practitioner.
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>7. Is chiropractic work on the spine useful?

very, if you have a good DC. network chiropractic is especially helpful.

>8. Why do I like the half-lotus position during meditation when I disliked
>it before?

i've had the same experience. try bhadakonasana (like half lotus, but soles
of feet together). you may find you enjoy that position even more.
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>9. Why does my perfume spray smell so different than it should, potent and
>musky?

your body smell has probably changed as well.

>10. I have not had a period for 4 months after  my kundalini started
>simmering. Is this usual?

i've never experienced this so i don't know. this could also change your
body smell.

>11. I am now in my 6th month of kundalini awakening and I have had a period
>twice in one month. Is this normal?

menstruation is a cleasnsing process of the body. if you haven't had a
period for 4 months, you probably had more cleaning than usual to do. just
my guess.

>12. Are there any foods to avoid eg hot foods like chili?
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don't think so. jsut follow your cravings.


hope this helps

lia



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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Words

>To which Lia replied:
>>this sounds alot like some of the experiences i've had as well as what i
>>read in Whitley Strieber's book "Breakthrough". Now it all may sound a bit
>>farfetched, but i saw many of his experiences with "visitors" and what they
>>were/are doing to him and others as very kundalini related (work on the
>>spine, buzzing in the head or in the left side of the body etc etc)
>
>I find it interesting that on a list for Kundalini which would be considered
>"farfetched" by the mainstream public, that the subject of UFO and ETs would
>be considered farfetched by its subscribers.

thank you thank you thank you .... when i said farfetched it was only
because i wasn't sure how people would react to it.

because its such a strong yet subtle and strange experience, i'm usually
somewhat uncomfortable talking to people about it.

i'm also interested in others who have had UFO related K experiences. you
can email me personally if you want.

blessed be

Lia


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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: De Kundalinii/Kali

>The 5th chakra culminates in a total black chaos of great power.
>It is the vision of Kali, the power of God. "God and His power are
>one. You cannot think of milk without also thinking of its
>whiteness, a gem and its lustre, fire and its power to burn." (1)
>
i've been there. anyone else experienced Kali? i'd be interested in talking
about it.

Lia



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Kundalini...
-
>HOW ABOUT A DISCUSSION OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR AWAKENING,
>INSTEAD OF A PROTRACTED TREATISE ON THE SOCIO-MORAL ELEMENTS OF
>KUNDALINI?
>
>GREG KERNAGHAN

in my experience, the awakening happens. what we need is to be able to deal
with that awakening in such a way that it will help us and others. talking
about socio-moral elements of it are a way of dealing with it. this group
has helped me alot in the three or so weeks i've been here.

i would, however, like more information about kundalini yoga, as the only
yoga studio here is Iyengar based.

Lia



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: sex and K awakening

>Dear Friends,
>
>Actually I have several question concerning Kundalini :
>
>1. I read somewhere that by moderating the sexual activity and
>   moderating work, then , kundalini will be able to be awakened.

i have not experienced this, in fact, it seems to be quite the opposite.
but from what i understand of tantra, if the male holds ejactulation back K
will awaken more quickly, but the female should not hold back, and will
therefore be awakened.

someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

Lia


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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: liaATNOSPAMquadrant.net (lia pas)
Subject: Re: Dan*s possibilities...

>I have to agree 100% with Dan, AND I must add a little note here.
>
>I would love to go into detail as to my experience with K, because I
>need feedback, but it is extremely sexual, and What little I have put
>up on the board about it has either been totally ignored, or attacked. I
>have therefore backed off.
>
i believe this should be an open forum to talk about ALL aspects of K,
sexual or not. I like the idea of headers in the subject header. SEX or
something.

my K experience has also been quite sexual. i think it has also been that
way for many others. as long as we're not pornographic about it, i see no
reason not to talk about it here.

Lia



Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: woman's K experience

SEXUAL CONTENT FOLLOWS:

Sometimes wine accelerates the energy, sometimes it dampens it for me.

K definitely affects me hormonally; I believe it hastened my menopause 
rather than the other way around (but these things become so circular 
I've really given up trying to figure it all out!).

All sex, masturbation, intercourse, fantasy, etc. etc. has become 
transcendent.  Orgasm is no longer localized to the genital area but is 
spread out throughout the body, and beyond.  To say that the pleasure 
is greater doesn't begin to describe the qualitative difference.  I am 
usually overcome by tears and trembling and gratitude and great joy -- 
and love, especially for my partner, although he is not going through a 
k awakening of his own (and THIS DOES NOT MATTER!).  I see the world as 
permeated by eros, because we are incarnate and live in bodies.  As the 
opening progresses, the body/human experience gets deeper in all ways 
at the same time that spiritual worlds become more accessible.  I find 
this amazing.

Holly

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: "Rondi McBoyer" 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V96 #49

Dear Steve,
I would be very interested in participating in a chat room, however, I
,like many others???)  haven't a clue how to do all the computer stuff
necessary,  I downloaded Global Chat because I knew a few folks were using
a chat room from this list, but haven't been able to figure out all the
technicalities to finding them.  So, yes, but please be prepared to be very
specific to get us all started.

----------
> From: Steve Elsner 
> To: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> 
> >Yes, sex and k are strongly connected. This is why I thought that in
order
> >to protect those of us who don't like flames we should go to a private
chat
> >room. This is not a free internet, whether we like to think it is or
not.
> >
> >BY the way, Internet Explorer has netmeeting, a great chat room
> >facilty...Any other suggestions?
> 	I have suggested this a while ago, not necessarily for avoiding 
> flaming but in order to have a live discussion.... live groups are far 
> more dynamic than mail lists, although mail lists allow you to go into 
> more detail.
> 	But a more interactive forum opens up new, perviously unexplored 
> possibilities, like experimenting with directing group energy (which 
> could be very powerful with a K-awakened group, even over great 
> distances) using the net to coodinate the participants.  That is an area 
> I am very interested in investigating but there seems to be little 
> existing effort for me to research.  As a result, I want to eventually 
> create a web page dedicated to such things.  If anyone could contribute 
> ideas, material, ANYTHING, contact me.  I have PLENTY of web space to
use.
> 	But I digress!  As far as just meeting in the first place, I 
> suggest using IRC.  No offense to I.Explorer, but it is non-standard.  
> IRC is a standard means of communication open to nearly anyone on the
net.
> 	Alternately, we could all meet in a Talker (like a MUD) via Telnet.
> I could provide a room for such purposes online.... contact me in
interested!
> I'd love to chat with y'all on a more direct basis :-)
> Give me some ideas... I'm a student and have more time than I knnow what 
> to do with so I could probably very easily coordinate such things on a 
> regular basis.
> Love and light.
> 	Steve!
> 
> --
> Rev. Steve Elsner! HM/SH, 2nd Kyu Shotokan
> stevieATNOSPAMthepentagon.com
> http://www.voicenet.com/~stevie
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: Re: Dan*s possibilities...

Dan, Id like to know how to use internet phone. Havnt heard of it
before.But I do have a mic setup. Royale

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: stampmanATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer )
Subject: Re: Shri Devi & breezes

You wrote: 
I have looked at Shri Mataji's.. if a cool breeze was felt in the palms 
and the head. I indeed felt a cool breeze swirling in my right palm, 
but nothing in my left.  When I attempting to feel for the breeze at 
the head chakra, I felt it with the right hand but not the left.  What 
could be the reason to feel a "kundalini breeze" in the right hand but 
not the left?
______
Hello Steve,
I flew to L.A. yesterday and last night met Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. 
I, too, had been intrigued by the phenomenon of the breezes and wanted 
to get more info - particularly if it would help me control the 
k-bursts that leap on me unawares (my original awakening happened on 
the Summer Solstice in June 1996 - just like clockwork I went through 
another bout of surging k-energy on Sunday; I didn't realize it until 
looking at my calendar at work on Monday, but that was the day of the 
Equinox!). Shri Mataji's major awakening also occurred on March 21 = 
equinox. Anyway, she states that the right and left channels (pingala 
and ida nadi's) reflect alternately the creative potential and the 
active actualization. When we feel a sensation like a cool breeze 
supposedly things are flowing naturally. When the sensation is absent 
or hot, there is a blockage or narrowing at the respective chakra.

When she was explaining this, she said she felt a tingling on the end 
of her left little finger that indicated that some in the room had 
trouble with the 4th chakra (heart). She then looked at me (I was in 
the front row) and said, "Fathers forgive your son."

I hope that this states what she intended; I don't have the 
spiritual/mystical background/training/autodidaction that many here 
have. I sometimes feel that the embracing of Chinese/Tibetan/ 
Japanese/Hindi/Sanskrit terms by some people mask the simple realities 
of the mechanics of kundalini (that which is coiled (Skt). = potential 
energy) in much the same way that embracing church/synagogue ritual 
chains the minds of many of the masses so that they never aspire to 
pursue the true meaning and experience of spirituality.
Love & LAUGHING LIGHT
DAN-RF

Treues berecht, Du!



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 
From: "Cindy " 
Subject: RE: sex and K awakening

Lia,
     I think you are correct.  Just finished reading TANTRA The Cult of the 
Feminine by Andre' Van Lysebeth.  ( I can't believe I have finally posted 
something:)                                                                 
Cindy

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From: 	lia pas
Sent: 	Wednesday, September 25, 1996 6:05 PM
To: 	kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
Subject: 	sex and K awakening

>Dear Friends,
>
>Actually I have several question concerning Kundalini :
>
>1. I read somewhere that by moderating the sexual activity and
>   moderating work, then , kundalini will be able to be awakened.

i have not experienced this, in fact, it seems to be quite the opposite.
but from what i understand of tantra, if the male holds ejactulation back K
will awaken more quickly, but the female should not hold back, and will
therefore be awakened.

someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

Lia
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 
From: Royale Jills 
Subject: chat room

netscape has a chat room software available from ftp. It seems faily
ealy to use.  Royale

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 
From: Theresa "A." Catoe 
Subject: intro

Hi All,

I'm new to the list. I didn't realize it but I believe I have been going thru 
K for about 2 yrs know. The reason I subscribed to the list now is 
because this energy in my body has really increased in the past year. 
I'm experiencing anxiety, disorientation, extreme heat, I don't sleep well. 
I sleep but don't rest. I'm tired alot. I also have a different body odor. As 
far as sexual nature, I'm like you Royale, I favor a more spiritual reward. 
I don't have the need to get hung up it the physical stuff. I'm more 
interested in the spiritual reward. Thanks Royale. I was about to 
unsubscribe when I read your post. Also, I am having some visions & 
lucid dreams, I feel others emotional pain & thoughts sometimes. I 
would like to hear more of the spiritual side of K. Any comments would 
be greatly appreciated. My goal is to be the best healer I can be. to 
help heal Mother Earth, myself & others. Any other healers out there?

Thanks for listening.

Love & Light,

T.C.

Any private emails are welcome.  tcatoeATNOSPAMcetlink.net      As I don't want 
to get off the subject.
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: "DOREEN" 
Subject: Re: Shri Devi & breezes

>
> Hi Richard

I also looked at Shri Devi's picture and as Steven above I felt my left 
hand go cold while my right hand remained the same.  This was 
verified by someone here at work.

Is it possible to get a clearer explanation than the one that he was 
given?

Bye for now


Doreen   



Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 
From: melody.gaviganATNOSPAMnvonline.com (Melody Gavigan)
Subject: Re: ADMIN:  Sexual posts

Richard and Steve:
     This is called a "spoiler" and is practiced very often on 
newsgroups and on on-line services in very sensitive subjects regarding 
sexual abuse. The person also puts "spoiler" after the topic heading, 
to warn people of the contents. Then in the body of the message, they 
don't start typing until after they have scrolled down a lot.
It works well.
Melody

LA>This is an excellent suggestion.  Why don't we try it for the time being.
  >-Richard

LA>> Steven wrote:

LA>> I agree that perhaps some things are left to private chats.  However, I'll
  >> second the motion that such things can be posted to the list if the
  >> beginning of the post contains a warning of a sort.
  >>
  >> Perhaps:
  >> **THIS POST CONTAINS INFORMATION OF A SEXUAL NATURE AS IT RELATES TO
  >> KUNDALINI!!! THOSE WHO MAY BE OFFENDED BY THIS, PLEASE DELETE THIS POST
  >> NOW!!!**
-  >>
  >> I would then skip a bunch of lines so as it does not even appear on the
  >> screen, and then start to write.  It may be a bit much to do, but for
  >those
  >> of us who wish to explore K in all its aspects (I'm sure there are many in
  >> the group who do), then perhaps this is worth it to avoid offending
  >someone.
  >> Even putting some sort of symbol in the subject line could make things
  >> easier for all.

- * 1st 2.00 #7384 * Maturity consists in no longer being taken in by yourself.