kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 135 

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 
From: hbarrettATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Subject: K, this list & dissipative structures

Anybody else participating in this list thinking of Chaos Theory?  So 
much passion and outrage.  Yikes!  This list exasperates me, makes me 
feel lonely, includes me, and often makes me feel very, very happy.  
What is this list if not a feedback loop of a high order, destined to 
break down over and over again and re-organize with increasing 
complexity.  And, holy cow, doesn't K do the same thing?!  Boy am I 
loving this epiphany!

Love, 

Holly

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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Only through experience can one know

Gloria I'm afraid that I have to agree with Nannu, after "k' we can
experience direct contact with our higher selves. My Higher Self resides in
me, and the more I communicate with s/he the more I become s/he.

Love Jule 



Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: D M England 
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Mark, 

Yes it does suck to be sick.  I exhausted all the avenues of western 
medicine for my problem and then went to yoga.  I don't blame or 
distrust the medical establishment they just couldn't help with this 
problem.  I advocate a mixture of western and alternative medicine.  
I guess I just want the best of both worlds.  Have you seen a western 
style doctor about your problems.  They are very good at solving a 
lot of acute illnesses.  It seems to me that the fail at chronic 
problems.  Take care of your self and tell me how it is going.

                                                          Diane
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Only through experience can one know

Do all of you realize that the higher self dies also, it is the no self that
you are going to. In the no self one becomes the Christ. Gloria

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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Direct Experience

Howard,
Thanks for the communication, I don't share anything unless it comes from
direct experience. Sometimes breaking down thought forms that are attached to
people, believed and maintained requires a powerful thought form in return.
No one has to believe me in what I say, that is totally up to each of you,
however, if you have the courage to move with it, then talk to me about what
happens. Gloria



Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: Debra Williams 
Subject: Re: Only through experience can one know

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> Do all of you realize that the higher self dies also, it is the no self that
> you are going to. In the no self one becomes the Christ. Gloria
> 

Gloria,
How do you understand the levels?
self, higher self, no self.

What is the higher self and how does it live or die?

Are there other levels?
what is in each?

How does one move from one level to the next,
Are they transcendent or inclusive?

can one coexist in self and no self simultaneously?

What is the purpose of moving to no self?

what is the role of self?



Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 
From: Niles Rodrick 
Subject: Many paths,only one way,...'I' am the way...

>Do all of you realize that the higher self dies also, it is the no self that
>you are going to. In the no self one becomes the Christ. Gloria

But we ALREADY are Christ. Most of us don't realize this fact because of what 
we have been 'taught'.  Look in the mirror and....'see'. When Christ said 
"whosoever believeth in me shall have everlasting life", he didn't mean for it 
to be used for idolization,  but rather, to be applied to oneself, because if 
you don't believe in yourself, after looking in that mirror...


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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 

Subject: question on awakening

I am currently taking a course on "whole brain" learning.  It's primary
purpose is to allow 100% of the brain to be utilized and control (or
programmed) on a conscious level.  There are many different applications for
this (including "reading" at speeds of over 50,000 wpm) and different
exercises are given to integrate both the right and left hemispheres of the
brain, as well as to increase awareness (both mental and physical).

In the exercises one always has to be in an alpha or light meditative state.
I have not had much experience with meditation until these exercises.  It
seems that whenever I enter this state, I become almost "dizzy".  Things
seem to be a bit off kilter and I have a hard time maintaining balance.
There also seems to be an added pressure on my head.

After a few day of the exercises, I now find that I am almost always feeling
this way.  I realize that this may be totally unrelated to kundalini, but
I'm curious if anyone out there had an awakening by taking a course such as
this or achieved it quickly through meditation.  I do not presume to say
that I have had a full (or even partial) awakening, but I find myself at a
loss for information.

Any help or feedback you can give would be greatly appreciated.

In Love and Light,


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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 
From: Iver Juster 
Subject: Meditation

For those of you who get bored during still meditation, please be aware that
there are alternatives.

Osho teached a dynamic kundalini meditation (http://earth.path.net/aaahyes/
then under center, Kundalini meditation). His writings discuss dynamic
meditation extensively and are discussed more at
(http://www.osho.org/homepage.htm)-look up his writings on meditation, as
well as Tantra, and lots of other neat things. 

I also have been doing breathing meditations to calm my adrenals. Alternate
nostril breathing, straight out of Hatha yoga. There is more to life that
the sitting still approach, for those of us who love to be on the move! I am
sure the Ashtangis, the dancers, the martial artists, etc., will agree and
be full of suggestions as well.
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Love and light, Patti



Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Fwd: Kundalini realisation

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Date: Thursday, 05-Sep-96 05:45 PM

From: Cyber4 at Internet in Derby \ Internet:    (cyber4ATNOSPAMinderby.co.uk)
To:   kundalini-l-d-requestATNOSPAMexecpc.com \ Internet:   
(kundalini-l-d-requestATNOSPAMexecpc.com)

Subject: Kundalini realisation  

1. Patrick Radford
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2. 32

3. 24

4. 8 years ago (1988)

5  My main ned is to contact those who have had 
kundalini realsiation & to establish a away to 
develop its potential further along the road of human 
evolution as regards its uses & applications .

6.I have recieved complete realisation which is both 
spontaneous & natural , self controlled & harmless . 
I am able to give it to others  through the network 
of Sahaja Yoga around the world .

7.For those sterling pioneers who have acheived so 
much like Arthur Avalon to Krisna Gopi& who have laid 
open Kundalini to the west & through its various 
permutations are as ever both evident & different for 
each experiencer my main concern is to harness this 
all as a knowledge & to ensure that not only can the 
subject be studied more closely butthat those who 
have suffered can come into their own to truly master 
the kundalini without unpleasant side effects or lack 
of evident control no more no less.     

8.Through the Sanghat of Sahaja Yoga in Derby England

9. I am hoping to connect with other experiencers to 
take Kundalini Yoga forward into the new milleneum & 
beyond.


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The need for change bulldozed a road down the center of my mind.
Maya Angelou



Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: "D. M. England" 
Subject: Re: Crying

Mac,

It is a Yoga concept.  It might also be from other spiritual 
traditions.

1.  The soul body - our essence, inner voice.  The soul must be fed sometimes
    in the face of overwhelming logic to the contrary.  I am reading the book
    SoulMates by Thomas Moore.  He talks about the need of soul for close
    personal contact and shared experience.  One has choices.   They are
    forming close personal contacts such as friendships, love interests, and
    /or close personal ties.  Another choice is not to form any of these. 
    Instead constantly having people go in and out of your life.  The idea is
-    that the soul doesn't care if the emotion is from pain or joy.  It just
    needs the emotion to feed itself.
       
                    
2.  The Negative mind - helps us avoid mistakes and calculate risks.  sometimes
    people give there power away in order to connect with others or make peace.

3. The Positive Mind - hope, optimism

4.  The Neutral Mind - this is develop through meditation.  Allows us to see
both sides of an issue or problem. Gives insight.

5. The Physical Body - If this is mastered the 



Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 
From: "D. M. England" 
Subject: Re: Crying

I started that message you just got last week before the long labor 
day weekend.  I accidently sent it before I had finished it.  If you 
could tell me where I stopped I will complete it for you or send it 
back to me and I will finish it.

                 Diane




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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Re: Fwd: Kundalini realisation


From: Jan Watson               \ Internet:    (jan.watsonATNOSPAMsympatico.ca)
To:   Richard Satin            \ Internet:    (libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com)

Subject: Re: Fwd: Kundalini realisation
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> 
> ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
> 
> 
> From: Cyber4 at Internet in Derby \ Internet:    (cyber4ATNOSPAMinderby.co.uk)
> To:   kundalini-l-d-requestATNOSPAMexecpc.com \ Internet:
> (kundalini-l-d-requestATNOSPAMexecpc.com)
> 
> 
> 1. Patrick Radford
> 
> 2. 32
> 
> 3. 24
> 
> 4. 8 years ago (1988)
> 
> 5  My main ned is to contact those who have had
> kundalini realsiation & to establish a away to
> develop its potential further along the road of human
> evolution as regards its uses & applications .
> 
> 6.I have recieved complete realisation which is both
> spontaneous & natural , self controlled & harmless .
> I am able to give it to others  through the network
> of Sahaja Yoga around the world .
> 
> 7.For those sterling pioneers who have acheived so
> much like Arthur Avalon to Krisna Gopi& who have laid
> open Kundalini to the west & through its various
> permutations are as ever both evident & different for
> each experiencer my main concern is to harness this
> all as a knowledge & to ensure that not only can the
> subject be studied more closely butthat those who
> have suffered can come into their own to truly master
> the kundalini without unpleasant side effects or lack
> of evident control no more no less.
> 
> 8.Through the Sanghat of Sahaja Yoga in Derby England
> 
> 9. I am hoping to connect with other experiencers to
> take Kundalini Yoga forward into the new milleneum &
> beyond.
> 
> ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------
> 
> The need for change bulldozed a road down the center of my mind.
> Maya Angelou

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Hello Richard

When you speak of human evolution, I'm not sure what you mean.  Would you 
mind being a little more specific.  Different groups tend to mean 
different things by it.  

Are you proposing a method of directing the k process once it has occured 
as well as initiating its release, or simply the former?  

I'm new to this group, so please forgive any ignorance.  I guess I'm a 
little sceptical, not of the experience itself, but of people's ability 
to sustain its power in their livesover time; like in Cinderalla, reality 
can impinge pretty hard until the Prince returns.  I'm not sure I could 
have done it alone myself. 

What has kept yours going?  What sustains and feeds it?  Do you yourself 
have a "teacher" whatever you conceive that to be?  Were you 'alone' when 
it occured?  What triggered it?  Have you moved beyond it yet?  (ie if 
you conceive of it a a too given to man for a specific purpose, which 
when served, needs to be moved on from)

Thanks for listening and have a great day.

jan


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--
Burn all the maps to your body.
Richard Brautigan



Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re Higher self and Christetc

Gloria:
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For me my Higher Self is the aspect of me that is the Christ self.  It is the
part of me that knows it is all there is.  The aspect of the universe that is
everything.  The void, the light, kundalini, wind rain etc.  The I Am that I
Am.

I am a stag of seven tines, I am a flood: across a plain
I am a wind: on a deep lake, I am a tear: the Sun lets fall,
I am a hawk: above the cliff, I am a thorn: beneath the nail,
I am a wonder: among the flowers, I am a wizard: who but I 
Sets the cool head aflame with smoke?

I am a spear that roars for blood, I am a salmon: in a pool. 
I am a lure: from paradise, I am a hill: where poets walk,
I am a boar: ruthless and red, I am a breaker: threatening doom,
I am a tide: that drags to death, I am an infant:  who but I
Peeps from the unhewn dolmen arch?

I am the womb: of every holt, I am the blaze: on every hill,
I am the queen: of every hive, I am the shield: for every head,
I am the tomb: of every hope.

Song of Amerigin

An ancient Celtic poem from Druidic times.

Love Jule



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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Health Problems resolved, others unmasked

Health challengs are often there because of memories in the cells of the body
from the past. When you begin to go into self discovery you naturally unlock
some of the bindings and all of a sudden your faced with dealing with
situations that come out of nowhere. This is a part of the breaking down of
the illusion, as you go deeper inside to find that truth, challenges change,
things become resolved and go away and maybe others come in to take its
place, again a part of the illusion. That is why the journey inward, to the
center of the circle of life requires great insight about the illusion which
means detachment really needs to be acquired, practiced and claimed. The big
test is observe everything, don't make some of what you observe more real
then others, just watch, listen, observe and move on. Gloria



Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: question on awakening///the world of energy is calling

Stephen,
Your becoming aware of another world beyond the world of the senses, that
only means that you are just entering in the world of energy and vibration.
Kundalini is all about frequency, energy, vibration, movement, light, color,
sound, etc. Your perception is changing, what you believe to be true will
gradually all fall apart before your very eyes, this is the process of
undoing, it is through undoing that one enters more in to truth, light, and
can move with the creator without trying to do anything. Great Blessings in
store, just relax and observe yourself day and night. Gloria



Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Many paths,only one way,...'I' am the way...

Through death of self you become awakened to Christ, it is reborn in you, and
in letting go of separation you are absorbed back into the whole. This is the
process of the whole Christ story, follow it through and you will see that
each experience will be yours symbolically, and through each letting go of
self, you become more filled with the third person of God, the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit teaches you, and increases light and frequency very gradually
so that you don't blow up. It is all a process. But there is much more to the
mystical journey then what you are now aware of. It is a mystery of
transcendence and universal consciousness. Gloria


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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 
From: Juliet 
Subject: word on Kason/KRN??

Wondered if there was any word on KRN/Dr.Kason.  I posted email to SEN,
but have heard nothing; I tried to visit what apparently *was* the KRN
website, but the URL is apparently out of date.  Or something. 

Dan was going to check this out--
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Just wondering!  I'm very curious...

Juliet