kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 121 

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Various, from Jule

Hi everyone:

How much love I felt from all of you as I read the posts today.

John H. and Steven thanks so much  for  your input on grounding.  John, I
think your idea might well work .  Strikes me it is a little like some of the
yoga postures, which do ground me.  I needed a quicker method, and this might
be a shortcut. By the way John I like all your posts and you certainly help
me, and probably lots of other folks too,

 Steven I will try your method , but like Von I have an active imagination,
so I can't guarantee not to stangle myself in plant life like Von apparently
tried to do.!  Sometimes I've tried imagining myself a tree with a massive
root system in mother earth.  Trouble is I become a bird and fly to the top
of the tree!  My mind is way too active.

Diane:  I leave and enter other planes and kind of split my consciousness.  I
am aware of my body, but I am elsewhere at the same time.  I can't explain it
better than that.
I'm sure Von knows what I mean.

  As I see it the difference between Schizophrenia and what happens to me is
that I am aware that this is not the norm. for most people, so I keep my
mouth shut.  I am sane enough to keep quiet in other words.   Those I have
met with that disease let it all hang out and think their reality is
happening in 3D.  At least I  know the other planes are not 3D wherever they
are.

Von:
I love humor.  Spirit is eternally playful.  If it weren't for humor I would
have thrown my hands up in despair a long time ago. Truthfully, it was only
when I began to be able to laugh at myself, that I even began to like myself.
 I've found "K" to be a little like the trickster character in mythology, and
I need every ounce of humor to deal with it.

Barb:

I loved your post.  Especially the part about extending the light into the
world around you.  Sometimes it is hard to allow others to be free.
 Especially if you think they are making a mess of it.  Being a parent I know
all about letting go, but I do need reminders sometimes.  Especially because
one of our kids is having a hard time just now.  In fact I've always thought
the hardest part of being a parent is letting the children go.

Rondi and Lori:

Thanks for your comments, I needed that boost today.

Love Jule



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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: "Debee L. Thomas" 
Subject: Re: Crying

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, John Halonen wrote:

> 
> This morning a strange crying has come over me.
> But it feels good to do.
> 
> Peace and love
> John

The Soul Would Have No Rainbow Had The Eyes No Tears...

Blessed Be

Debee

-

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: "D. M. England" 
Subject: Re: Crying

This crying is a release of stored emotion in the body.  It is one of 
the most rewarding and good experiences that you can give yourself.  
Only by releasing stored emotions and blocks can the ten bodies be 
integrated into the 11th body.
-                                       
                                Diane



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post (Awakening Awry?)

Hi: Steven
-
> ok... another model.

As Jule said we have a lot of active imagination and I am still tangled up in
your vines from last time.  

>imagine a box of bouncy rubber balls, which are bouncing about because 
the box is being moved.  now imagine the box standing still.

for a while, the balls jostle, but eventually they find the lowest energy 
state and lie still.  

i feel that being grounded is this:  being at the lowest energy state
----------------------------
Ok I agree in a way, but I need to by grounded very fast and every second
counts.  I really think this is just a little to slow for me.  

I'll stay with my beer for now as it does last a long time.  This way I could
get grounded and be grounded at the same time.

I like your vines better.   Being tied down with plants, vines and beer.
 Interesting!.  

Thanks for your help.


As always,
Von


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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: Mary Knapp 
Subject: Re: Crying

>The Soul Would Have No Rainbow Had The Eyes No Tears...
>
>Blessed Be
>
>Debee
-

I LOVE this!  Printed it up and put it on my bulletinboard.  What a lovely,
comforting thought.  Thank you.  Just what we criers need right now.

M



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 
From: GrandmmaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Crying

Here is a poem I wrote that cried out to be shared with everyone.

          EMOTIONS       
As the wall weakens then cracks,
a feeling takes motion
and swelling to its peak
it breaks.
And through the flood of tears
the long awaited pain 
bursts forth
in shallow ripples of anger
which linger only long enough
to dissipate into the calm.

I wrote this poem approximately 1 year into my K experience.  It has been
helpful to me in breaking down the walls which keep me from experiencing the
k experience to its fullest.   I hope it helps you too.
Love and Light  
Jean



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: JheyeATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Health Problems

Dear Diane,
-
I have had that exact same appendix pain.  I too have had many, many tests,
and nothing has been found.  I'm encouraged that you were "cured" through
yoga.  I haven't been able to sleep on my right side for over three years!

Jennifer



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post (Awakening Awry?)

For those that are floating up out of their bodies, the best way to be here
now is to totally focus in the now, and see every person and every object
aroudn you as something dynamic and vital to your being. That way instead of
wanting to be somewhere else or allowing your lifeforce to move away, you are
in the now. Being alive to the moment is the answer to this. YOu can't be
alive to the moment and not clear, open, spontaneous, and flowing with what
is happening. Gloria
-


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Anonymous Post (Synchrophrenia)

Interesting message on the two sides of your experience, this is also known
as duality. As the self dies off duality slowly disappears. One becomes
absorbed into the Christ Frequency or Christ Consciousness, that is when
there is only one thing remaining. When you only have one thing happening it
is just all focus and instead of being it is being/doing. Gloria



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: no sleep

Dear list members,
Why is it that I can't sleep, when I really need to because I have to get up
early and will be on campus tomorrow from 9 am to 9:30 pm?  I cannot clear
the inner turmoil and silence all the inner chatter!!!  It is making me
crazy!  I cannot stop my thought from raging for one second!  I don't know if
the energy is just flowing very strongly or if there is too much that I know
I will ahve to do in the near future with school, home, work, personal life,
etc.... ?????  Nothing I do seems to work to get centered or to be able to
shut up long enough to fall asleep!  Why am I so wired?  I am sure this will
all be a moute point by the time you all can read it, since it is currently
1:00 in the morning, but any suggestions for the future- if this happens
again- would be great.  Normally, I just deal with it and wait until
exhaustion takes over to be able to sleep.  But, that is on the nights when I
do not have to be up early and alert and concentrating for 12hours plus.  I
am frustrated! Help!
L&L,
Lori



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: "D. M. England" 
Subject: Re: Crying

Debee,

I love this saying.
                   Diane


> 
> The Soul Would Have No Rainbow Had The Eyes No Tears...
> 
> Blessed Be
> 
> Debee
> 
> 



-
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: "D. M. England" 
Subject: Re: no sleep

Lori,

You will probably think I have lost my mind but don't knock this 
until you try it.

Boil some lettuce in a pot of water.  Then drink the water.  It 
doesn't have to be warm and you make some in advance and chill it.  
This is a natural remedy for sleeplessness.

                                 Diane



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: tejkohliATNOSPAMgiasdl01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: comments on email lists

Hi Von:

	I second the comment made by Barb re humour. We all need it. I 
feel that if we all stick around this list, and all become free and 
realised, or whatever we are to become finally, there maynot be any 
serious talk left at all! In the changes that I have observed in me, I 
have found myself to become more and more appreciative of humour.

Tej



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Various, from Jule

Jule,

I know what you mean about letting kids go - we have two.  I see them heading
for mistakes that I made, or that will make their life harder for a time, and
I want to jump in there & "save" them!  But I look back in my own life, how I
wouldn't listen to anyone else, just my own drummer, and sometimes learned
the hard way - but experience is the best teacher.  And I paid my dues, dealt
with my own consequences, and hey, I turned out OK!  So as hard as it is to
see my children go through pain, I know I would be stalling their growth by
"saving" them.

 I see kids all around me where their parents have not been able to let them
go through pain & consequences of behavior - they are very irresponsible,
"get me outta this mess" type of young adults, very codependent, not having
learned to be responsible for themselves.  I don't want that for my kids or
myself, and that makes it easier now.

I send love & support to you and your child who is finding him/herself right
now.  (I don't know if that's how you see it, but that's the thought that
came out while typing, so I went with it)  Hope the lessons come more in the
form of joy than pain, and it is resolved as quickly as possible....
                    Love, Barb ATNOSPAM--}}--}}--
-


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: no sleep

Lori,

I have gone through similar experiences.  The best advice I can give that has
helped me is to ALLOW the energy to move through.  Feel it releasing from
your hands and feet, and breath.  Don't struggle, don't fight, don't worry
about getting enough sleep, just let it flow through.  Concentrate on your
breathing, with every breath out, you release the pent up energy; with every
breath in, you add calm & peace (might be helpful to see the color blue
here).  If thoughts come in & try to take over, just calmly say "thank you"
and go back to concentrating on your breathing.  Has worked for me anyway -
Good Luck!!

Blessings & Winkin', Blinkin', & Nod,                 Barb
-


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: WorcaATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: M or F?

Vonnie (your honor, stupid, etc.),

I have a clue, but I figured my affectionate name for you was close enough to
Vinnie for a male, and close enough to Connie for a female.  All set either
way, but I suspect you're manifested physically this time around as a ____!
 My secret!  (or should I say, yours?!)

I saw the box of balls being "too grounded" by losing all their air, flat &
heavy.  I know I've felt just that way at times, although I wouldn't say I
was too grounded; I would have been too "into" the illusions of being a human
in this society.  The vines couldn't ground me that much now, as I would pop
into my expansive love self & just float away!!

Blessings & Bubbles (of beer, laughter.........),  Barb;)



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: Comments on email lists

Wendy wrote:
> 
> "go out laughing and they'll just thing you're crazy"
> 
> 
> 
> Love,
> Wendy
> 
> >From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
> >To: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> >Resent-From: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> >X-Mailing-List:  formail -D 8192 msgid.cache
> >X-Loop: kundalini-lATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> >Resent-Sender: kundalini-l-requestATNOSPAMexecpc.com
> >
> >Hi: ori^
> >
> >Thanks ori^ for your comments.  You are the first person that complained
> >about a little humor, but I will take your advice under concederation.    If
> >people find a little humor in their life offensive then I will of course not
> >do it.  I think God must of had some humor or he would not have made this
> >life in the first place.
> >
> >If any one on the list does not think humor is appropriate here some times
> >then please let me know.  I can be dull and mundane if that is appropriate,
> >but I see to much of that 24 hours a day.
> >
> >I might not agree with you, but I accept your right to say what every you
> >what to.   If Bill or Dan feels bad by my remarks then they can always just
> >send me an E-Mail.
> >
> >They are my brothers in this life and we all have to evolve our own way.
> >
> >Love,
> >Von
> >
> >
> >You said:
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Subj:  Comments on email lists
> >From:  mermaidATNOSPAMeskimo.com ()
> >
> >
> >Von,
> >I question whether this is really appropriate or necessary
> >for the list.
> >Maybe this sort sort of joking is better sent directly to
> >an individual rather than to over 100 people on a mailing
> >list.
> >
> >Thanks for your consideration,
> >ori^
> >---------------------------------------------
> >
> >At 14:27 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Hi Bill
> >>
> >>>What does "IMHO" mean?
> >>
> >>International  Male  Homosexual Organization.
> >>
> >>I am surprised at you, Bill:)
> >>
> >>Von
> >
> >
Wendy:
	I'm the "Bill" mentioned just above.  I was over 40 yrs old before I
ever met a group of people who could joke about one another without
being cruel.  It amazed me.  Where have people like this been all my
life?  Most humor requires someone or some thing to be the butt of a
joke.  If Love is lacking, so is any worth for us.
         Sincerely,  Bill



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: "William P. Wilkes" 
Subject: Re: no sleep

LwMema3ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> Why is it that I can't sleep, when I really need to because I have to get up
> early and will be on campus tomorrow from 9 am to 9:30 pm?  I cannot clear
> the inner turmoil and silence all the inner chatter!!!  It is making me
> crazy!  I cannot stop my thought from raging for one second!  I don't know if
> the energy is just flowing very strongly or if there is too much that I know
> I will ahve to do in the near future with school, home, work, personal life,
> etc.... ?????  Nothing I do seems to work to get centered or to be able to
> shut up long enough to fall asleep!  Why am I so wired?  I am sure this will
> all be a moute point by the time you all can read it, since it is currently
> 1:00 in the morning, but any suggestions for the future- if this happens
> again- would be great.  Normally, I just deal with it and wait until
> exhaustion takes over to be able to sleep.  But, that is on the nights when I
> do not have to be up early and alert and concentrating for 12hours plus.  I
> am frustrated! Help!
> L&L,
> Lori
Lori:
-	Just watch you thoughts, relaxed in the knowledge that the One watching
over us all would not let them hurt you.  Remember that in the spiritual
world, believing is seeing, and that it will be done to you according to
your belief.
LOL, Bill



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: ADMIN:  Important Questions - Please Respond

Dear List Members,

This is directed to EVERYONE who receives this - both those people who post
and those who don't.

In the time that this list has been in operation, it has gone through a
number of changes.  Without necessarily passing any judgement on where we
are now, I think a few questions about the list and its direction is in
order.

The stated goals for this list include the following:

1.  A place where there can be honest and open exchange about kundalini
awakening.
2.  A place where we who are involved in this process can connect with
others of like mind.

I ask EVERYONE who is reading this to answer the following questions and
return the post to me (libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com).  It's not necessary to post your
response to the list - though if you do, that is fine.  

There is a lot of concern that the list has degenerated into simply a chat
line.  Having said that,  I ask the following.

1.  Do you find the volume of mail acceptable?  Too much?  Too little?

2.  If too much, would you prefer a moderated list?  This is a list where
only posts which have been reviewed by the moderator(s) are posted.  This
keeps the list to a manageable size and insures that the threads stay to the
topic.  

3.  Have you been offended by any posts or posters?  If so, how and why?  
(Note that this information will be read only by me - and will be deleted
when I am finished.  It will remaing confidential.)

4.  How would you like to see the list changed?  Or, do you like it just the
way it is?

-

Your response is very important and will determine what will happen with
this list.  I urge you to reply, if you would like the list to continue. 
Otherwise, I may not make the decision that you would prefer. 

Richard
--
libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com     http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
............................................................................
A difficult life is better for someone who truly wants to learn.  
Comfortable lives always end in bitterness.
-Jalal ad-Din Rumi



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 
From: Richard Satin 
Subject: Re: Comments on email lists

Dear list members,

I have been too busy to read many of the posts.  But the following is
completely unacceptable:

>What does "IMHO" mean?
>International  Male  Homosexual Organization.

There was an earlier post which was extremely insulting to women, but
disguised as humor.  No more details are necessary.
-
As the owner of this list, I try to remain in the background as much as
possible.  But a kundalini list is no place for this type of thing.  I am
not gay, nor am I a woman.  But there is no real difference between any of
us in terms of our humanity or worth.

Kundalini is a very specific thing which effects many if not all areas of
life.  But everything in life is not necessarily kundalini.

Humor is wonderful.  I in fact participate in a number of humor lists and
privately with friends.  There is so much humor that is appropriate for this
list.  But nothing that is insulting to any person or group of people
because of some characteristic.  If someone is put down by the humor, it is
not appropriate to this list.

I "ignored" the post about women a few weeks ago hoping that it was an
aberration.  But I was deeply amazed and offended.  This type of thing
really needs to stop.  If you find my attitude "heavy handed", I am very
sorry.  But there is obviously a need a little guidance in this area.

Enjoy the full moon.

With love,
Richard

--
libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com     http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
............................................................................
A difficult life is better for someone who truly wants to learn.  
Comfortable lives always end in bitterness.
-Jalal ad-Din Rumi



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: tejkohliATNOSPAMgiasdl01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: re ADMN message

Hi Richard!

-	I just read your two posts regarding the list contents etc. If I 
may give my own couple of comments on this. This list is really about 
simply exchange of ideas between people who have or want to experience 
kundalini, I think. It is the nature of kundalini to free us from the 
knots of conditioned behaviour and move towards freedom. AS such it may 
not be appropiate to moderate it, nor should you put yourself in that 
position. For it becomes difficult for one individual to judge whether it 
is appropiate or not. I feel it would be better if you and others put 
forth ideas on what should be the modus operandi for the list members, 
and let all monitor or make comments.
-
	I agree with you that we should not use terms that are derogatory 
to any class of people. I may be wrong, but from what I have been reading 
of Vons posts, I don't think that he meant any disrespect to anyone. And 
even more than disrespect, it is the dislike or hate that is even more 
bothersome. But most of us on this list are, I feel from the posts, 
coming from a different space, and moving into a different space - that 
of LOVE.

	Actually a few may have been more offended by the posts relating 
to fundamentalist fanaticism. But I think there is no need to even 
moderate that. For it brought up for discussion certain aspects, and in 
the process enabled us to "see" better, I think. And it was even helpful 
for those that posted that. If we can be so tolerant of that bullshit, 
pardon that expression, surely we can be a little tolerant of some of us 
who have been participating for so long, and who are evidently quite full 
of awareness and love.

	I think that if there are things that should not be discussed, we 
should discuss those openly and decide democratically, and reprimand 
openly those that do not follow those guidelines, if there are any.

	I do feel that the list contents get very large at times. This is 
bound to happen on a list of this sort. There may be ways to keep the 
messages short(extremely sorry for this long one!) on the list and follow 
up with long messages to those that are interested. But how do we do that?

	Hope I did't say anything that offended anyone :)
Peace and Love,
Tej
-----------------------------
You said:

Dear list members,

I have been too busy to read many of the posts.  But the following is
completely unacceptable:

>What does "IMHO" mean?
>International  Male  Homosexual Organization.
-
There was an earlier post which was extremely insulting to women, but
disguised as humor.  No more details are necessary.

As the owner of this list, I try to remain in the background as much as
possible.  But a kundalini list is no place for this type of thing.  I am
not gay, nor am I a woman.  But there is no real difference between any of
us in terms of our humanity or worth.

Kundalini is a very specific thing which effects many if not all areas of
life.  But everything in life is not necessarily kundalini.

Humor is wonderful.  I in fact participate in a number of humor lists and
privately with friends.  There is so much humor that is appropriate for this
list.  But nothing that is insulting to any person or group of people
because of some characteristic.  If someone is put down by the humor, it is
not appropriate to this list.

I "ignored" the post about women a few weeks ago hoping that it was an
aberration.  But I was deeply amazed and offended.  This type of thing
really needs to stop.  If you find my attitude "heavy handed", I am very
sorry.  But there is obviously a need a little guidance in this area.

Enjoy the full moon.

With love,
Richard

--
libraATNOSPAMexecpc.com     http://www.execpc.com/~libra/
............................................................................
A difficult life is better for someone who truly wants to learn.  
Comfortable lives always end in bitterness.
-Jalal ad-Din Rumi


 



-
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: no sleep

I suggest you get up the moment you realize your in a thought form. So often
people don't recognize what thoughts are, when you are caught in the
thought/projection cycle you are building thought forms. When this is what is
occuring at night it takes all of your energy. By breaking free of it through
awareness you change the flow. How to break free. First recognize, get up go
to the bathroom, pick up a book read a page, maybe even 5 pages, and when you
go back to bed it will be fresh. This is just from breaking the thought form.
It is like being caught into a focus in a movie, once you break the momentum
you recognize the illusion and you are free. Try it. Gloria



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Crying
-
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, D. M. England wrote:

> This crying is a release of stored emotion in the body.  It is one of 
> the most rewarding and good experiences that you can give yourself.  
> Only by releasing stored emotions and blocks can the ten bodies be 
> integrated into the 11th body.
>                                        
>                                 Diane

-
11 bodies?

Mac



Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post (Awakening Awry?)
-
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 V487ATNOSPAMaol.com wrote:

> Hi: Steven
> 
> > ok... another model.
> 
> As Jule said we have a lot of active imagination and I am still tangled up in
> your vines from last time.  
> 
> >imagine a box of bouncy rubber balls, which are bouncing about because 
> the box is being moved.  now imagine the box standing still.
> 
> for a while, the balls jostle, but eventually they find the lowest energy 
> state and lie still.  
> 
> i feel that being grounded is this:  being at the lowest energy state
> ----------------------------
> Ok I agree in a way, but I need to by grounded very fast and every second
> counts.  I really think this is just a little to slow for me.  
> 
> I'll stay with my beer for now as it does last a long time.  This way I could
> get grounded and be grounded at the same time.
> 

Red, red wine works good too.

Mac

> I like your vines better.   Being tied down with plants, vines and beer.
>  Interesting!.  
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> 
> As always,
> Von
> 
>