Date: Sat, 3 Aug  kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 77 

From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: On sending love, and helping friends.

Debee:

Loved your story on how love worked to help your friend.  

I taught my kids to do this.  they had a great deal of success, probably
because they are more open to all of this stuff than we are.  Whenever they
had trouble with a friend, or even a teacher that was being unfair, we would
just send love, and things would resolve in one way or another.  The kids
loved it and it helped them to be less combative I think.

Vivianne:

It is hard not to solve another's problems for them if we can.   But if we do
too much for them, we rob them of the opportunity to gain growth through
their own experience.  It's a very fine line, because of course there are
times when people really can;t help themselves.  

Those who tend to be loving, probably err on the side of too much help
though.  So letting be and just sending love as Debbie suggested, might
actually be a lesson for us too.

Love Jule


Date: Sat, 3 Aug 
From: Garry Leon Hunsaker <>
Subject: Help! How do I get off this list???

I truly enjoy this list. However, it is swamping my e-mail account at our 
local libray. I am not getting any messages over two days old. Yes that 
means I have lost the first comunications from Richard that told me how 
to unsubcribe from this list.  
Considering I don't make it to the Libray more than twice a week that is a 
problem.

Richard if you are out there, HELP!

Thanks for listening

Garry Hunsaker


Date: Sat, 3 Aug  
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: To Von and Patty

Patty:

It probably depends on your tradition, what gender you think the soul is.  In
the Gnostic tradition the soul is feminine, and fell to earth and copulated
with the darker powers of spirit.  So there is quite a sense of the feminine
being prostituted by her own doing as much as that of the masculine.  That is
why the healing of Mary Magdelen is so significant in the gospels.

In the Tibetan Buddhist tradition the soul is both, but my sense is that we
experience it as feminine first, when we move out of the personality phase,
and begin to experience ourselves as souls.  At a later stage, we may
experience it as more masculine.  This makes sense because we need to balance
the masculine /feminine and become the divine hermophrodite.   I was speaking
of the Gnostic tradition when I said the soul was feminine.  sorry if I
confused anyone.

Von:

the title of my previous post was a joke.  I told you I like to play games!
God is of course masculine and feminine.

I did mention in that post that we exploited men during the goddess era, and
then they got us back, during the patriarchal era.  

It is true that some women probably do think they are goddesses still.  But
eventually we must all move on to the next stage.  I don't think some of the
feminine backlash that views men as the enemy is the way .  Nor do I think
that women who hold down jobs in former masculine strongholds and do it by
being too masculine have the answer either. 
My daughter is a mechanical engineer designing trucks for GM.  She finds that
if she treats people with respect with no reference to gender roles, she
generally gets the job done.  As you can imagine, she is in a role that
normally would be very masculine.

I think mutual respect is the key here. Unfortunately there is a long way to
go for most people in this regard. 

Love Jule


Date: Sat, 03 Aug
From: jmckinnonATNOSPAMcc.weber.edu
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Debee L. Thomas wrote:

> >     I always say men and woman are equal.  A women should not act like a man
> > and a man should not act like a women. Both are important as they compliment
> > each other.  Competition is not needed as both are special in their own way. 
> 
> I disagree on just one small point.  That being, we are working on 
> balancing the yin/yang energies within.  Our male/female opposites.

------------------------------------------------

I don't necessarily believe that there is really any such thing as 
opposite/complementary energies--at least not in the sense that we speak 
of them.  I feel that we create a perception of divisions or opposites 
when we start labeling things.  Labels are necessary for dialog, but I 
think that they are only accurate by analogy.

;)

John


Date: Sat, 3 Aug  
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Cynthia and music

Hi Cynthia:

I did not seek "K", it came spontaneously after years of discipline, trying
to seriously follow the teachings of Christ.---Love your neighbor, your
enemies etc.  I don't mean this in a fundamentalist way, just following the
teachings of Jesus, not others interpretations of them.

The process between making a decision to do this and actually experiencing
"K" took 14 years.  About 6 years before "K" I became quite ill, with a total
breakdown of the immune system.  I had allergies, chronic fatigue, mono etc.
 About the only thing I didn;t have was Aids. During this period, it would be
hard to sleep, and I seemed to often be fighting various forces, which all
seemed to manifest in my body in terms of illness.

It was a little into this time that the music started.  I am a musician, so
at that time I thought it was just a result of my inundating myself in the
sound medium.  Because of my knowledge, I was using a lot of music therapy to
keep going, I played often, and I also taught.  In addition, I sang in choirs
off and on.  So music was in any case a large part of my life.

After "K", the music seemed to disappear.  At that time my daughter had a map
of the zodiac on the wall, and I made a correlation to the zodiac and the
brain.  It is a map of the archetypal forces of which the brain is composed.
 This came through from my guide, and it has been very useful to me. 

All of the myths are based on the zodiac.  Sometimes the signs have different
names, so this isn't always obvious, but the Greek myths show this quite
well.

I found that after "K" I was dreamimg about various parts of the zodiac, and
could often determine the place I'd been this way.e.g cow dreams would refer
to Taurus the third eye.

Ever since "K", I have been totally focussed on either the 3rd eye or the
crown chakra, so when I said focus elsewhere I actually focussed on that area
myself. I did not specify, only because we all develop differently, and if
you were unable to focus on the 3rd eye for some reason, it would be
frustrating to tell you to do so.  Any none musical area of the brain would
presumably work.

As far as the Lyre area is concerned, it tends to be instrumental music. 
The area on the right hand side tends to be where the songs and rhymes come
from.  
Interestingly it corresponds with Arcturus and the Bootes group of stars
which are the shepherd boy.  If you remember David in the Old Testament
played a harp and composed many of the Psalms.  This is the kind of example
of stories written in the stars. Both areas correspond to areas in the brain
where we store this kind of sound.

Probably the sound forces are being awakened in you at the moment. 

You might find some kind of help by reading the story of David and the psalms
he wrote.  This is the kind of way I work often myself, and usually it leads
to the things I need to know unfolding in an orderly manner, at a pace I can
handle. Probably you have other memories stored in those areas, which you
need to access, and this method would trigger it perhaps.

The reason I think this works is because the Archetypal music memories are
also stored there, as well as our own personal music memories.  So working on
those memories through the material in the Old Testament, might help with
whatever was triggered through the horses stampeding.  Remember I first
related that part of your story to Pegasus another part of the zodiac.  So
you might want to read horse stories too. 

In some cultures the soul is thought of as a horse.

Hope this helps 

Love Jule


Date: Sat, 3 Aug
From: Karol Ann Barnett <>
Subject: Angel Day

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From: Julia White 
Subject: Sender: meynaATNOSPAMix.netcom.com (Julia White) All Are Invited

To take part in the 4th annual "Be An Angel Day", which is set for Aug. 
22nd.  This is simply a day when the people of the world join to do an 
act of kindness or service for someone; the spreading of positive 
power.

Details can be found at http://www.drwnet.com/angel   We hope that you 
join with us, and that you tell your friends.

If you have any suggestions, or would like to get a gathering together, 
or whatever, contact Jayne Howard at blessingATNOSPAMcct.infi.net

Be kind to someone.  It's a wonderful feeling.


Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 
From: wrigaATNOSPAMsisna.com (Anne Wright)
Subject: phenomenon

Since I did things as bazaar and unusual as the john travolta character in
the movie phenomenon, I was wondering if anyone else had seen the movie,
and had any thoughts. This has been a great experience so far, and I am
just about ready to discuss what really happened to me. Is anyone
listening?


Date: Sat, 03 Aug  
From: denise clausen <>
Subject: Re: phenomenon

Anne Wright wrote:
> 
> Since I did things as bazaar and unusual as the john travolta character in
> the movie phenomenon, I was wondering if anyone else had seen the movie,
> and had any thoughts. This has been a great experience so far, and I am
> just about ready to discuss what really happened to me. Is anyone
> listening?I have although to a much lesser degree, being that most things I
do can be felt but not yet seen with the eye, Im about an inch away from things
being physical. HOw about you, are the things youve been doing physical and
what are you doing?
                          Denise


Date: Sat, 03 Aug  
From: denise clausen 
Subject: Wondering!

I was wondering, I heard that we use to have 12 chakras instead of 7.This
sounded right because I feel that we have been downbred, somehow. Does anyone
have any knowledge or insights into the possibility that people once had more
than 7 chakras?


Date: Sun, 4 Aug  
From: Jim Cook <>
Subject: Words from Disraeli

   Knowledge becomes wisdom only after it has been put to practical use.
   Knowledge must begained by ourselves.
   Mankind may supply us with facts; but the results,
   even if they agree with previous ones,
   must be the work of our minds.

   Benjamin Disraeli
   Prime Minister of England  ( 1874-1880 )


Date: Sun, 4 Aug  
From: ElmovolATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: missing time 

   Dear Ones,  I know there is a wealth of information, knowledge and
intuition out there, so I am calling upon you guys to help me out once again.
 Yesterday evening I was watching the Olympics with my brother and
sister-in-law.  We were watching the women's 4X100 relay.  We were doing our
usual screaming and whooping.  When the last woman crossed the finish line,
my sister-in-law and me both looked at each other at the same time, because
we thought that she was only the third woman in the relay, and thought there
was no way that that was the end of the race.
                                            As we pieced it back together,
both of  us have absolutely no recollection of the second leg of the relay.
 We just kept looking at each other and shaking our heads saying no way, no
way.  My question is:  What do you think happened?
                          This is the third time I have had the experience of
missing time since 1992.  The first time was in my car where I lost an hour.
 The second time I was out in the woods and lost 25 minutes, and now this
where I lost approximately 42 seconds or however long it takes to go around
the track.  The first two times I was alone.  This time I have another
person's confirmation.
My brother has no recollection of anything out of the ordinary happening.  There
were no mind-altering substances being used and my sister-in-law is about as
normal as they come.  The only difference I notice this morning is I feel a
little more up than I have been.  Any insight would be greatly
appreciated!!!!        Many Blessings, Christine (elmovolATNOSPAMaol.com)


Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 
From: Royale Jills <>
Subject: Re: phenomenon

Yes, I saw the pic, but was very dissapointed that they attributed it all to a
brain tumor.  what a sell-out.  Royale


Date: Sun, 4 Aug  
From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

Hi: John

You said:
>I don't necessarily believe that there is really any such thing as 
opposite/complementary energies--at least not in the sense that we speak 
of them.  I feel that we create a perception of divisions or opposites 
when we start labeling things.  Labels are necessary for dialog, but I 
think that they are only accurate by analogy.
----------------------------------------

   Don't you feel that life is duality itself?  It's just like a pendulum
swinging back a fourth from the negative pole to the positive.  Negative and
positive,  the same as the standard electricity in your house.   "Like the
moon to the sun or day and night cause and effect, black and white!"    You
can not take one with out the other.   You can not live with her and you can
not live without her. :)

   One of he main reasons for suffering in life is just because of duality.
 If you won a million dollars and  did not have the wisdom and foundation to
control the negative aspects then you would surely just topple over.   The
negative aspects are things like over doing sex, alcohol, drugs, gambling,
 Etc.

   The secret of life is just to know that the negative things will come with
the positive and to prepare for it with a strong foundation.  Even with this
kundalini.  When you  pray for something,  just imagine energy coming down
though a tunnel.  The energy will be negative and positive at the same time.
 You should have the wisdom to handle the negative also.

  I don't see anyway out of duality in this life.  In the spirit,  maybe?
 That is why it is so important to work out you bad karma in this physical
life because it does not work in spirit.  You can not work off you bad karma
in the spirit.  Only were there is duality can you work it off and only
through suffering. That is why you are here, to suffer!   We are all fallen
angels that fell down into this elusive duality called life and now must
climb back "up" and out the same way than we came down through kundalini
charkras.  See why the kundalini is asleep?   I would fall asleep too.
  

Love,
Von
 


Date: Sun, 4 Aug  
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Duality-good and evil

Hi everyone:

I am reading a book called The Sirius Connection, by Murray Hope.  She has a
very interesting idea that I thought I'd share, because I've never thought of
the above subject quite in this way before.

1)  The reason we experience time on earth differently to the supposed UFO"s,
and the rest of the universe, is because earth is caught in a time warp.

2)  Evil is a misplaced or misdirected energy, that is out of it's correct
time sequence.
So earth in a way has become a kind of sinkhole for negative energies, which
we must transmute finally here in this dimension.

3)Evil is chaos, but according to chaos theory, it too must eventually become
self-organising. So for all it's rebellion, the stray negative energy fields
here, and their accompanying intelligences, eventually find their way back to
the matrix.

4)Psychic healing is based upon moving out of the present time and depositing
the misplaced energy that is causing illness into the time zone appropriate
to it's origin.

Thought these were very interesting.

Love Jule


Date: Sun, 4 Aug  
From: SYL228ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: To Anne, Denise, Elmnoval

Anne:

A friend who knows nothing about "K" and my experience dragged me to see
Phenomenon.  I definetly could relate to how the John Travolta character
felt.

I'm still suspicious of scientific types, and keep away from them, at least
as far as discussing "K".  I'm also wary of discussing it with most people
who are part of my circle because I'm sure I'd be misunderstood, and regarded
as a freak.

Unfortunately we do have to have people to hang out with sometimes.  If we
alienate them all, as happened in the movie, what then?
This for me is the most difficult part.

Like Royale I thought the brain tumor was a letdown, but then there are many
people out there who have not heard of "K" including Hollywood types.  Even
if they had, they probably thought the public would not have believed it.

Anyway seeing the movie, added a lighter perspective somehow for me that was
refreshing.

Denise:  

I had asked the question about chakras the other week, because I sense at
times I am working on some above the head.  There ought to be 12, at least
because of the 12 signs of the zodiac.  12 as well as 7 is a mystical number.

I think the 7 refer to earth life, and the others , how ever many there are
refer to other realities beyond earth.

Personally I think of the chakras being a kind of energy continuum, which may
stretch infinetly.  There is so much we have no means of knowing, sitting in
these bodies.

Elmnoval:

That missing time sounds just like the stories peole tell who have had UFO
visitations.
Personally I think of them as a different part of ourselves.  But even so you
were obviously tuning into something that is not part of normal earth reality
for you.
People who are close often can do these things together.
One of my daughter's and I often dream of the same subject, even though we
live a thousand miles apart, for instance.

Love Jule


Date: Sun, 4 Aug  
From: Mary Knapp <>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

>  I don't see anyway out of duality in this life.  In the spirit,  maybe?

I think spirit likes a little duality, as contrast can add depth and
appreciation.
A white plate on a white background in full sun is invisible.  Add a little
shadow and voila! A work of art.

.  You can not work off you bad karma
>in the spirit.  Only were there is duality can you work it off and only
>through suffering. That is why you are here, to suffer!   We are all fallen
>angels that fell down into this elusive duality called life and now must
>climb back "up" and out the same way than we came down through kundalini
>charkras.  

I think is is possible to just jump off the karma wheel.  Once you realize
it goes no where, you might as well give it a try. Does anyone else agree?  


Mary


Date: Sun, 4 Aug
From: ijuster <>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

IMHO, there is just energy. Even matter is a form of energy.
Energy is not positive or negative. It just *is*.

When we are undifferentiated, as in heaven (nirvana, satori, etc), we don't
see things as *bad* and *good*. They just *are*.

We choose to come on to the earth plane. Here we experience *bad* and
*good*. It is us (our minds) that put labels and judgments on things.

Many people have judgements about judgments. Like that judgments are *bad*.
Like that when we evolve enough, we will drop our judgements permanently. I
feel that we come to this plane because we *want* to make judgements, this
makes life more interesting. *Bad* helps to identify and define *good*. Then
we appreciate *good*. We can't do this when everything is undifferentiated. 

My goal is not to give up my judgments, especially since I came onto the
earth plane to have them! I do want to remember that my judgements are
separate from the underlying state of being, of the "is-ness". Then I can
dance between the two states, heaven and earth.

The k seems to get people to drop their boundary making and see more of the
undifferentiated blissful whole. To be closer to the underlying fundamental
being-ness. We get there by dropping the judgements. I find this fascinating
and thank this list for letting me know how many other people have noticed this.

I have also noticed that people who are stuck in their judgments are stuck
in life. 

Yes, I am full of judgments. (Big surprise!) But I also like to get unstuck,
see other judgements, try them on, for when I can see through another
person's eyes, my own experience of life has been expanded and enriched. To
me, the dance is wonderful. I go from *your judgement* to *no judgment* to
*my judgment* etc. It is kind of fun. It is more fun than simply fighting
over why I am right and you are wrong. 

Thank you all for suporting me in my dance. May I do the same for you in a
fun and positive way.

Love to all, Patti