Date: Sun, 23 Jun kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 23 [1]: From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com Subject: Re: New stuff I agree with you that the K is an intelligent force. The thing is that I didn't practice anything to awaken the force and I think this is true for several people on this list. It all came down on me like a ton of brick. What was faith became knowledge in the sense that what I believed became verified all of a sudden (life after death, etc.). In hindsight, I don't regret the experience at all, but the physical and intellectual effects aren't negligeable and can lead to confusion and depression. Knowing what I had to deal with, I can't understand why someone would want to trigger this phenomenon. Gurus are few and far between where I live, so I can't count on one to teach and direct me. But for me, a sentence heard on a tv show struck a very powerful cord in me: "The Thing is Love". It was said by a woman who had a NDE and came back with this notion, which was also reported by Danion Brinckley in his books about his own NDE and by just about anybody who had an NDE. Robert Monroe made several references to it in his experiences in astral projecting. So if something can make you love all people, it can't be a negative experience. I needed the push but didn't recognize it until I was well into the most active period of k awakening and it can be scary when you don't know what's happening to you. Again, the K is an intelligent force: hints were dropped in front of me one by one and I did find out about kundalini. I've been relieved from my negativity and general resentment. Yes, my lips are twitching, along with the rest of my body, and I need other people's confirmation of the reality of all this and that's the main purpose of this list, at least for me. The awakening prompted me to read several classic books about eastern beliefs and I have also a couple of books on the technique to awaken and control K, but I guess I'm not ready for it. Love to all... >This kundalini is an intelligent force. It is the most powerful force > thats >known. If any one went through the experience they would not ask why are >their lips moving or twitching and things like that? > >If you are not ready and if the kundalini is forced to awaken then your in >big trouble. On the other hand many people are ready, but just needs a > little >small push or the right word. > >I would like to hear from people on your mailing list. What is your > opinion >on giving out the technique to awaken this force and opening of the third >eye. There are always some people that just want to play around and then >might find them selfs in one of the mental hospitals. This is very > dangerous >stuff. > >You are all searching or you would not be on this list. You will see many >books on the subject. Books are just books. > SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com [2]: From: Swenson OSubject: New to this group... Hi everyone! My name is Omar and I am 42 years old. I have been interested in things of "spiritual" nature from childhood and that interest has persisted with me throughout my life in differing intensities. About eleven years ago I was doing concentration exercises, focusing on a spot between my eyebrows, and had been doing those exercises for about a week for about half an hour each day. One evening while focusing on this area I became aware of a light within my head and focussed my attention on it. The intensity of the light grew stronger as I concentrated upon it and it's intensity reached a climax in a rush of energy that can best be likened to a strong sexual orgasm within my head. There was no sensation of energy rushing up the spinal column nor was there any sensation in the BOS centre. For over a week afterwards I was well aware of energies active within my head, especially when I was not focusing on other tasks. I had studied various "esoteric" books over a number of years prior to this experience and was, and still am, of the mind that Kundalini is a neutral energy that when activated in this fashion increases the innate faculties that are functioning within each individual, so that "good" as well as "bad" habits are magnified to a considerable degree. In the light of this view I chose to lay these exercises to one side at the time and place emphasis on building a foundation for my personality to grow on, through education on matters spiritual and cultivation of attitude. I have had an enquiring mind on spiritual subjects throughout my life, even from childhood, and that search for understanding has continued to this day. Looking back over the years after the "Kundalini-rush" I can see that I have had a stronger sense of "guidance" than before and I have learned to listen to that guidance, which has in turn had considerable influence on both my life and on the life of many individuals that I have come in contact with through the years. I am committed to a life of "searching" for greater meanings and as I "expand" in understanding I try to share that understanding with other individuals that walk across my path, as well as to learn from the lessons that those individuals are willing to share with me. For some time now I have sensed a longing to turn back to cultivating these inner energies and to await what their arousal has in store for me. Coming across this list on the "net" has sparked greater confidence in "jumping in" and I see it as a valuable resource in the process that I am undertaking. Thank you all for your contribution to this list. Omar Swenson [3]: From: The Psy-kick Worrier ov Gaia Subject: Horses, Left face, Madness=Mad Love Buenos das! Gloria wrote > Sounds like you are getting a grip on things now. Just don't let your > thoughts and emotions run away. Yes, my horses can get well frisky at times, and the intellectual one really does need to chill out for a while! Thanks. To Melissa and others who are experiencing pressure on the left side of the face. Maybe your're aware that all the nerves in our bodies cross over; ie the left side of the face connects to the right side of the brain. If you are activating energy that is associated with the right brain could this explain some of what you are feeling? To David A Katz, > But for many, it will not be madness as in insanity but madness as in mad love and joy > without limit, without boundary. I know what you mean! I've seen this with my brother who was comitted when he had a scizophrenic episode. He was obviously wildly ecstatic about something that he could'nt quite articulate to me. *Something* was happening. I knew it was'nt just some kind of chemical imbalance as it was explained to me by the doctors; although this might have been completely true on a physical level the medics could'nt see beyond this. Very frustrating for me but I now trust that my brother is on a path to understanding what happened to him. About UFO's . . . mmmm. Surely with almost 10 billion people thinking increasingly similiar things at the moment (What is our future? Where are we going? Even - What are UFO's!) strange things are bound to happen. As Pat Welsh mentioned I think it has more to do with a paradigm shift than explicitly an alien visitation (I know you did'nt mention aliens but this is the common misconception I believe - the key word should be UNIDENTIFIED); my mind remains open! Anyway, I should be in news://alt.alien.visitors on this one. Adis! Barney [4]: From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: New stuff Hi: Viviane You said: * I agree with you that the K is an intelligent force. The thing is that I didn't practice anything to awaken the force and I think this is true for several people on this list. It all came down on me like a ton of brick.* ----------------------- Yes I agree with you. It seems like a lot of people experience this force like a ton of bricks. --------------------- * I believed became verified all of a sudden (life after death, etc.). In hindsight, I don't regret the experience at all, but the physical and intellectual effects aren't negligible and can lead to confusion and depression. Knowing what I had to deal with, I can't understand why someone would want to trigger this phenomenon. Gurus are few and far between where I live, so I can't count on one to teach and direct me. ------------------------- * 100% agree with those words," Can't understand why someone would want to trigger this phenomenon". You also mentioned, "The Thing is Love" If you can understand that then you are on the right track. That is the real meaning and in fact I don't think the force can be awaken with out love. My own thinking is that this force is the main creative force behind the universe. It is sexual energy, intelligent energy and maybe ever God himself or herself. If a person is ready and the body is pure enough then the force wants to awaken the body. That is why a foundation so important. The body must be made strong enough to hold the energy. The force can be awaken premature by concentration and breath control, but then if the body is not strong enough to hold it what good is that?* ----------------------- * Robert Monroe made several references to it in his experiences in astral projecting. So if something can make you love all people, it can't be a negative experience.* ---------------------- Robert Monroe's books were the first ones that I studied after all of these experiences and I really respect his deep and honest personal experiences. I understand that Monroe passed on just a few weeks ago. Thank you for the feed back * (This is just what I knew inside , but wanted confirmation of reality also). Von [5]: From: Niles Rodrick Subject: From my mate, Shirley, to all "Out of every tragedy comes something wonderful", so, nurture and love. Lov-ya, Mom [6]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: Re: New stuff There are techniques to awaken this but I wouldn't recommend them unless one is very detached in their ability to flow with life. Kundalini changes the level of energy you must live with, even those with a gradual energy eruption must learn to do the dance. Some people find it easier to live with strange inner experiences going on because they are naturally focused inside, and don't automatically think of negatives. Then it is ok. Other's are not mentally or emotionally balanced so that when dramatic movements and forces move in the body, it is blown out of proportion and then the mind/emotions create panic and fear. I do believe we live at a time that more and more people will feel this because the energies in the planet are being stepped up tremendously as we speak, because of this, many will experience it, some will turn it over to God and flow with it and others will literally fight a dragon. This is just starting now, what I see from dreams, meditations and visions is that the spiritual explosion is just now registering, we have barely started, once it is increased, then we will see tremendous fires burning. This is very good, but it is also a challenge to prepare for the tidal wave that is coming, without doubt. Gloria [7]: From: jtracyATNOSPAMhalcyon.com (Jean Tracy) Subject: Re: responses to PARTNERING and KUNDALINI Thanks to all for responding aobut this subject. Carlo it seems you were very much a part of Zana's search so things didn't take you by surprise. She is very fortunate that you are a willing listener. It's so important to be able to share such sacred magic with your partner. Karol - how wonderful that your spouse is now having the experience himself! >I believe most of the fear of k is out of ignorance. We were >never taught about this energy or what it could to to an unsuspecting >soul. Yes, I agree. Education is imperative. Have you seen the movie 'Powder'? I think it has a definite Kundalini flavor to it. Bucky Fuller once said that his ideas were accepted because he always placed them 50 years into the future. People are not threatened by something that is that far away and are able to actually ingest the concepts. In a way, this movie did the same thing. It presented a fantasy character- far from the present- who showed us how to be in relationship and how to utilize the extra voltage for healing. Melissa, I hadn't thought of inviting my spouse into this group. With all of your permission I think I will print out some of the responses and offer them for his perusal. By the way - Happy Solstice. I hold you all in celebration of the culmination of the light (of consciousness)! Jean [8]: From: jtracyATNOSPAMhalcyon.com (Jean Tracy) Subject: Re: Newbie questions Regarding: freedom1ATNOSPAMjuno.com >I would like to ask those of you have had a kundalini awakening if you >are glad it happened to you. If you could choose, would you rather it >*not* have happened? I am absolutley thrilled with the experience of awakening now that I'm through the worst (I hope). During the dramatic moments, I wanted it to slow down, to take it easy, and I had to try very hard to keep from swimming out to sea and never stopping. >BTW, I am currently enrolled in the course of lessons put out by the >Self-Realization Fellowship. I understand that after one has taken the >basic lessons, which cover meditation and related subjects, one can >elect to be initiated into kriya yoga, which (I think) aims at awakening >the kundalini. That was not my reason for starting the lessons, but it >will be interesting to see if that's where they lead. It is true that Kundalini is the rocket ship of transformation - can you support these rapid changes with careful attention, courage and faith? [9]: From: jtracyATNOSPAMhalcyon.com (Jean Tracy) Subject: Re:Karol's reponse to stuff >> I sometime have trouble falling asleep because I see this white >>stroboscopic light flicking in the left corner of my closed eyes, >>sometimes it can seem to be coming from over my head. > >Interesting....I just started having this phenomenon. Richard, is this >what you were referring to? I must have misunderstood. I thought you >were describing something you witnessed with your eyes open. I have this too! It's almost as if a neon sign has blitzed out. My thoughts are that it is excess prana - it only happens when I draw my attention and breath to the center of 3rd eye. [10]: From: Melissa Ann Fornof Subject: confession I feel it is time for me to confess. My initial Kundalini experience was brought on by a psychadelic drug--marijuana. I did not want to mention this before, for more than one reason. First of all, I guess I didn't want anyone one to think my experience was "all in my mind" because of the drug--the experiences continued MONTHS after the drug-taking. Second of all, I am ashamed of what I did. I wish I could explain well. I'll give it my best shot. I smoked marijuana QUITE often when I was 17--the worst year of my life. I never experienced anything Kundalini--exept maybe some strange body movements--and I DEFINATELY did this last time. It had been 5 years since I smoked pot, and I felt very guilty about it, but someone close to me told me that for her, pot helped her open her mind to new possibilities. I had been learning of chakras and came to believe in them; subsequentlly I learned of Kundalini. However, I knew I was too skeptical. I was desperately seeking "something more." Though a Christian, I felt devoid of divine intervention--or perhaps abandoned, since meeting my husband seemed to be under supernatural circumstances. I felt I needed and desperately wanted something more tangible--I saw all the attrocities in tbe world, ached to help, and wondered why. I practically begged God or whatever or whomever to give me something or show me something. I felt that the only way my mind would accept anything like that would be throug pot. I am the daughter of "Mr. Spock" and "DeAnna Troy" from the two generartions of Star Trek. I am both very logical and very sensitive. I learned to control my sensitivity, having to live with Mr. Spock, but I was still always very sensitive. However, my logical side kept me from excepting non-traditional, non-Western ideas, which I really wanted because so much of it appealed to me--at least the chakras and then the K. So, in desperation and hope, I once again smoked marijuana. That night, after reading a New-age book, my experience began. I did not want to tell anyone of my marijuana smoking because I was ashamed (even felt guilty at the time, but also thought it was the only way for me to go any further spiritually) and because I wanted no one to downplay my experience because it was "drug-induced". However, I feel this experience was just as spontaneous as any other spontaneous experience, because I smoked pot SO many times a few years before and felt basically nothing--this time I was spiritually motivated, looking for and even asking for something more. And I got it. To me, my experience is just as real, just as meaningful, and just as spontaneous as anyone else's. I just don't want anyone to think otherwise just because I initiated it with drugs. I am not proud of what I did, nor do I recommend it. But my experience was just as real, spontaneous, and life-changing as any one else's as far as I am concerned. I felt it was time for confession. I have other things to post tomorrow; I hope my confession doesn't darken my input. Love, Melissa [11]: From: IAMBABACHUATNOSPAMaol.com Subject: quotes What a wonderful letter from Karol Ann. Thank you. I would like to hear about your awakening. The Muktananda quote is very precise. I would like to hear more of your experiences. thank you again. b. I am responding to this: From: Karol Ann Barnett >I heard that when Swami Muktananda was once asked about the problems caused >by Kundalini, he replied something to the effect that Kundalini never causes >trouble. The trouble is already there (although often in a latent and >unconscious form) and the awakening process works to correct and heal these >pre-existing difficulties. > >It may be that your process will remain gentle and joyful. Yogananda >apparently had a very gentle but powerful Kundalini awakening. Yet >throughout his childhood he suffered from various acute and chronic >illnesses, which I suspect were early onset Kundalini cleansings. Have you >always enjoyed good health? Even if you do encounter some difficulties down >the line, I think your strong faith will carry you through. I find that >people who have no context in which to understand their transformative >experiences and no sense of their spiritual value are most in danger of being >negatively overwhelmed. Yet as several people on this list have already >mentioned, even such a traumatic path can favor tremendous psychological and >spiritual growth. El