Date: Tue, 18 Jun kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 96 : Issue 17 
 [1]: From: "Debee L. Thomas" 
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

> > It's my understanding that the k-energy is propelling us forward
> > in a very physical, very real evolution of the human species.  And 
> 
> I have read this many many places and it just doesn't make sense to me.
> Most people with awakened Kundalini do not seem to be of the age or
> temperment to have children and pass on their genetic material.  Or is
> evolution meant in a more spiritual way?  If so, how do we impact the
> species with it?  If people have been having kundalini awakenings for

Hi Mary,
	I'll share my personal views with you on this topic for a 
moment.  I believe that the evoloution is indeed that of the soul.  Now, 
I also believe that we live more than one earth experience so it's safe 
to say I also believe in reincarnation.  I beleive that we grow 
spiritually as well as physically.  Just like a new born child can not 
just get up and walk but must first go through a few stages, I believe we 
do so spiritually too.  With each life we live, we go through a few more 
stages of growth and development.  
	Now, for your question as to how we can have an impact as a species 
with it.  I also believe that we are all tied together on a spiritual level.  
What happens to one, happens to all in a way.  There has been scientific 
studies done on 'subatomic particles' which shows conclusive evidence 
that they appear to constantly be making decisions.  Not only this, but 
their decisions seem to be made based on particles in another location.  
Now, to better explain this thought let me give you a tiny example which 
came to me one day bright and early. I work in fast food.  We open 
at 6:00 am daily.  I've come to rely on our first hour in that it sets 
the pace for the morning crowd.  It has not failed yet!  Customers come 
in and order, and within the first order a pattern or two is 
established.  I've listened to co-workers comment on this and just 
smiled.  Once or twice I've explained my thoughts on it and it made them 
stop and wonder.  Realistically speaking, we know for certain that one 
person doesn't call the next, so on and so forth and inform them of what 
they intend to eat for breakfast.  Yet, people will come in and be 
ordering the same thing in abundance!  Is this just a coincidence?  Or, 
is it just possible, that like those subatomic particles, that are 
seeminly connected by a means we can not see, that we too are all 
connected by a means which we can not see?  How else can we explain how 
everyone seems to want the very same thing to eat at the same time on the 
same day?  It's a pattern I have been observing for quite some time now 
and it's how I guage what is needed for the day.
	Now, let's take this one step further.  If we are all connected 
by some invisible means, and we can affect others with what we are hungry 
for, is it not possible that if we focus more on love, compassion, 
understanding and positive things that we can also affect others in this 
way?  Isn't it possible that they will begin to think more along this 
line?  If this is true, then just think what the potential is!  We can 
each make a difference whether we truly believe it or not.  How often do 
you think of someone you haven't seen or heard from in a very long time 
only to 'bump' into them one day or have them call you?  How often have 
you wanted something only to have it turn up as a gift from someone?  Is 
it just coincidence or is there indeed an internal link?  Just my 
personal thoughts.

Blessed Be

Debee


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 [3]: From: Jai1008ATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Consciousness

Zana--I would have to agree to what I got most out of your post, which is
that all my life I have had the goal of as abolsolute as honesty as I can
possibly achieve manifesting through me. Since this was my goal, I feel that
the kundalini came to me in part because My desire was so strong (desire is
magnetic energy) that it became my great house cleaner--it stripped (strips)
me of false conceptions of myself, it keeps me in such flux that I can not
crystallise into dishonesty very often--it keeps me in a process of
refinement that it about ever incresing truth and less and less pretense.


 [4]: From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: New Book

For anyone interested, there's a new book out:

KUNDALINI: EMPOWERING HUMAN EVOLUTION
by Gene Kieffer
(more selected writings of Gopi Krishna)
Paragon House
370 Lexington Ave
New York NY 10017
$12.95
BL1238.56.K86G66


 [5]: From: Karol Ann Barnett 
Subject: Re: Buzzing Bees

Someone on the list mentioned the symptom of buzzing bees.
I just read a reference to that in Barbara Hand Clow's THE MIND 
CHRONICLES TRILOGY, Bear & Co, 1995, $15.00


 [6]: From: kashiATNOSPAMlava.net (David A. Katz)
Subject: Testing mail

Testing mail.  Attempt number 7,349.  


 [7]: From: shiva 
Subject: Confused energies.

Hello, friends.

I have been a subscriber to this list for just a few days, and have enjoyed
lurking around ;).  I like the atmosphere here.  I think I'll hang around
if you'll have me.

My name is Preston.  I am 26 years old and have had limited experience with
Kundalini on and off since I was 17.  I may go into my first real (?)
experience sometime if it seems pertinent.  Suffice it to say, I am a
novice.  Anyway...

Maybe someone here can help with a problem I've been having.  A friend of
mine has always been spiritually inclined just as I.  We really are the
best of friends and have a great rapport (maybe part of the problem).  For
one thing, he's always boasted about how much "power" he has, and up to
about a year ago, I wrote it off as an ego trip.  Maybe it was a result of
some experiments with the K-forces and various meditations I was doing at
the time--I don't know--but I started reacting strangly to him.  Just
thinking his name caused my feet to tingle.  I know this sounds either
stupid or sexual or both (this is not a physical relationship, though).
That was how it started.

Now, a year or so later, I'm to the point where hanging out with him leads
anywhere from tingles to light-headedness to headaches.  I've experienced
this a little bit with others and have been diagnosed by a neurologist as
having migraines (yeah, I had the MRI--phew! no tumor).  But a lot of
this still seems to center around my friend.  Sometimes I'll get an
annoying (but rarely painful) pressure in my head and neck.  I've been to
a chiropractor and that helped a little.  Lately, I've started to work
on my own energies more, as well as keeping my heart open, and sometimes
the symptons are not as strong.  I'd really like to resolve this on what
ever level I have to.  I do love him dearly and wish to remain his friend.

Sorry for such a long and involved introductory letter.  I will listen to
and respect any suggestions you may have.  Feel free to e-mail me privately
if you prefer.  Thanks.




                                        Preston


 [8]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: re: third eye & shaktipat questions

Thanks Jim. Very interesting explanation. Gloria


[9]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: psychic experiences

Viviane,
It sounds like an at-onement experience, that is truly a great feeling to
have lost contact with the self, and entered into the awareness and
consciousness of the others brought to your center.  You have likely had that
experience many times, but this time you had consciously brought yourself
into a meditation and could feel the frequency change when you helped
disburse the thought forms. The heavy feeling you picked up on are actual
thought forms, and you helped take the energy away from them. Those kids may
never know they had a helper. Gloria


[10]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

Von,
HI, good questions for sure! However, when it happens through a very normal
awakening process it just flows and brings many spiritual gifts along with
it. Providing the ego is in the letting go/ death cycle it is a great
happening, if the ego is using it an anyway, it is another story. The other
thing having one experience would be very unusual, usually one is the
forerunner of others to come. Does this make any sense? Gloria


[11]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Man with third eye

Acupuncture has helped my husband with asthma which is almost immediate, I
have gone for headaches, neck pain, allergies, I had a friend go to my doctor
friend from China after a stroke. He had no use of his arm what so ever,
after about 6 treatments he was using it again. Another friend had carpet
tunnel was suppose to have surgery, he had acupuncture and never had the
operation. I could go on for ever. 

Natural medicine, the clinic I told you about has had so many wonderful cures
it is hard to believe. They use a combination of eastern and western. The
principal of the small amount of the disease as the cure works out on the
same way as allergy shots for allergies. But, you don't have to believe it, I
have seen to much to even question what ever works for folks. Gloria


[12]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Consciousness

Zana, 
That was very nice, I thought you weren't comfortable with writing in on your
own. Obviously something you've over come. You were wide open to have this
experience, it is really a spiritual manifestation from your soul. Gloria


[13]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

Karol, Elegant is a good word, actually it becomes musical/harmonious. After
all it is prana, or life force that has been electrified with a higher
frequency which I call the power of the Holy Spirit. It is indeed a spiritual
dance. Gloria


[14]: From: Melissa Ann Fornof 
Subject: everything

Whoa!  I'm gone for one day, I come back, and there are 34 messages in
my computer mailbox!  

I see some people are getting a little bit "put off" by the form of
presentation of some listmembers' ideas.  I do agree with some of the
ideas presented about using your own filters to accept, without offense,
those ideas not always presented the best way; and about using love and
tolerance.  Gloria, you still do tend to present your ideas as absolute
truths, which is somewhat offensive to some people.  However, I have
seen some changes in some of your posts.  I can tell that you are
trying; that's all anyone can ask.  Old habits are hard to break.  Also,
though, as I mentioned above, I believe the readers of "offensively
portrayed messages" can do some things themselves to avoid that offense
reaction.  As some others have suggested, we can try to be loving and
tolerant, and to say to ourselves, "this person believes this is true--I
will use my own judgement and intuition to see if it is true for me."  I
sure don't want to see a reduction of communication and suggstions.

I also loved the idea of intuition presented by someone on the list (I'm
sorry, there are too many people on this list for me to always remember
who said what!).  The person said that your intuition will tell you what
meditations/methods will work for you.  I have been so confused.  There
are so many methods out there, and so many suggestions, I did not know
where to start or what to try.  Since reading this message, it clicked
something in me--now I realize what I always knew and did not realize.
Upon reading a suggestion or method, I have an initial feeling, thought,
reaction, or something that tells me, "this won't work for me" or "yeah!
I should try that!  I bet that would work for me!"  Thanks for that
message.  It has helped me weed out of the clutter what truly does work
for me.

About homeopathy:  I don't understand this talk about water in relation
to homeopathy.  I thought homeopathy was a general term used to describe
non-traditional medical treatments, from herbs to accupuncture.
Respecting Bill's request, anyone wishing to further discuss this with
me, please e-mail me directly.

To "Greets,"

I am glad to have someone close to my own age on this list!  I am 22.
Everyone else who has disclosed their age is at least 10 years older
than me.  I feel like everyone is so much more experienced than me.  If
not in Kundalini, than in life in general.  While their is much to be
said for experience and certainly much the inexperienced can learn from
such people, I feel their is also something to be gained from the
younger, lesser-experienced point of view.  I am glad not to be the only
one with so much inexperience!

To Carlo and Zana,

I too first experienced Kundalini spontaneously and was frightened by
it.  Also, I too discovered that trying to control it made it worse;
"going with the flow" made it easier.  I just felt that meditations WERE
a form of control; just a GOOD method of control rather than a bad one.
I like your perspective that to the contrary, it is an aid to NOT
control Kundalini.  However, I still don't think there is anything wrong
with deliberately trying to attain Kundalini if it does not happen to
you spontaneously.  There are many books written just for this purpose,
and {as I pointed out the last time), in the past that was just about
the ONLY way to get it for centuries.  Comments anyone?

It would seem, from my readings and this post, that visions of deities
are not uncommon.  Also, the deities one sees seem to always be in line
with one's religion--Bhuddists see Bhudda and their religios teachers,
Christians and Catholics see Jesus and/or the Virgin Mary, etc.  I
believe this is due to the third eye--the chakra that causes one to
visualize their beliefs, feelings, ideas, etc.  This, too, I gather from
the books I have read.  What do you all think?

Myself, I am Christian, though I have been having trouble with my faith
since Kundalini.  Even so, the strangest thing happened to me today.  I
witnessed a young man's baptism in church.  Though my faith has been
weak as of late and I was not overjoyed to hear this guy was going to be
baptised, I had a Kundalini rush while witnessing it.  My head started
vibrating, making me feel dizzy; I felt a little of that indescribable
"altered" feeling; I felt a rush of love; and a lot of heat started
pouring out of the top of my back and my shoulders.  I think perhaps I
would have reacted this way upon witnessing ANY such religious ceremony.
Perhaps because it mirrors somehow the spiritual uprising everyone
encounters during Kundalini, no matter what they believe or what God
they worship.  Perhaps this experience has something in common with the
writer who spoke of having rushes of Kundalini at "holy roller"
churches.  I welcome everyone's input.

As always, I have more to say, but I want feedback on this stuff; too
much at once means some things will get neglected.  So, until next
time...

Love to all, Melissa


 
[15]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

Debee,
Hi, let's just say you have increased the speed of the train your on, and at
some point you won't need the train, track, or engine to empower it. Gloria


[16]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

Mary,
This is about your soul not your body, it is when the soul is ready to step
up its progress entering back into God or the source. It has more to do with
humanity as a whole then it does one person in the world.  Gloria


[17]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

To Mary Knapp,
I have given your e-mail to a friend that lives by you, she and her daughter
have tried to e-mail you and it comes back the wrong address . Her address is
fullpubATNOSPAMthegrid.net

Carol has been a part of our group for nearly 30 years I'm sure you would
love meeting her. Gloria Joy Greco


 
[18]: From: GgjiATNOSPAMaol.com
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

Great advise, John. It sounds like a healthy attitude, one of self reflection
and deep appreciation for life. Gloria


[19]: From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com (Viviane Brisson)
Subject: Re: Third Eye

I just meant to tell this story to illustrate a point: that the awakened 
kundalini forces are not just about pains and aches and migraines. It can 
also be a powerful positive force. I think that our third eye is opened well 
before the k manifests itself. You don't have to be prepared for that. My 19 
year-old-daughter is seeing so much more that she wants to see... Why are all 
those things happening to her? She sees auras and dead people all over the 
place and she can look them in the eye. Is there a reason we get this when we 
obviously are not prepared to do so? I sure spent my life denying all this 
and trying to be pragmatic about life on this earth.


>From: V487ATNOSPAMaol.com
>Subject: Third Eye
>
>I read your experience about going to your daughter school on the bus.
>Meditation can accomplish many things as that is how we can tune in to our
>source. You mentioned that you wanted to open the third eye.  If you do
>meditation then I wonder if you concentrate on the area of the third eye or
>not?  Because that is the best area for concentration in opening this third
>eye.
>
>I just felt that your are about ready to experience these things, but maybe
>you just need a little help from some one on the other side.  If you don't
>mind my suggesting to you a way to speed up your development a little?  You
>would really benefit from taking the correspondence course form the Self
>Realization Fellowship.  The have a new Home page now on the Web.  This
>course would answer every one of your question for you.
>
>A few years ago I went through this kundalini awakening.  One of the first
>thing that happened was the opening of the third eye.  I doubt that whey
> your
>third eye does open that will be all that happens.  You must be prepared
> for
>many things to happen at the same time.  You must have a foundation which I
>sure did not have.  After I went through all kinds of experience I was
> pulled
>to the teachings of Paramahasa Yogananda.  His teachings validated all the
>things that I went through.  I learned of him only after I almost went
> crazy
>with this kundalini and third eye awaking.  You have no idea of what you
> will
>see on the other side so you must have a strong foundation first.  That is
>way I am suggesting this course to you.  Pleas contact me if you would like
>additional information.   People must come to this SRF because they will
> not
>come to you.  I am not suppose to advertise for them as they don't like it,
>but I am human and will just take the blame as my motive is good.
>
>Have a nice trip!
>Von
>V478aol.com


[20]: From: SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com (Viviane Brisson)
Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.

I've been wondering something in those lines for awhile. I noticed that 
people try to put a date on their awakening, yet I just can't tell you 
exactly when it happened for me. I just know that one night I realized there 
were some entities in my house and I said out loud: OK, come and see me, I'll 
help you go where you're supposed to go. I wonder if it was this attitude of 
"surrender" that brought this on to me. Abandoning yourself to God or faith 
or whatever... Do I make sense? All my life I wondered what we were supposed 
to accomplish while on this earth. Now thanks to my experiences, I know I'm 
supposed to help people. How? I'm still trying very hard to get involved with 
whatever turns up on my side of the fence.

>From: pettyATNOSPAMjpp-ws.sharpwa.com (John Petty)
>Subject: Re: Reason for awakening.
>
>Von, you wrote:
>
>> Many people spend a life time trying to awaken this Kundalini and may
> never
>> succeed. I have a stupid question for your Newsgroup to help me with.   I
>> should know better, but what is the real reason some one would want to
> awaken
>> this force.  Would it be just for a spiritual quest or for power?  Maybe
> they
>> think they would become a grate master like Buddha or something.  Even
> though
>> I went through this awakening and it did change my life for ever I still
>> wonder way people want to go through it.  I read many books and studied
> many
>> autobiographies of people who have awakened this force, but in the end
> what
>> is the reason.   It seems to me that once some one goes through this
> process
>> then that person does not go through it again unless they intentionally
> want
>> to continue playing with this force and to hold it for longer periods of
> time
>> through meditation.  
>> 
>> Please answer this question for me.  Thank you very much
>> 
>> Von 
>> V487aol.com
>				-------------
>
>For as long as I can remember I've had a spiritual side that wanted to know
>God.  It has been in the forefront or background according to the circum-
>stances and demands of my life.  A few years ago I divorced and began a
>long journey of self-awareness and healing.  I discovered that as I healed,
>more life opened up to me.  It's hard to put into words, but the deeper
>I mined into my psyche, the more gold was brought to the surface, and the
>more I embraced life and others.  It was damned hard work, but the
>benefits far outweighed the cost of tears, pain, and lonliness.  I would
>often tell my friends that I used to be dead, I could only go forward,
>to go back meant death to me.  I would look at old pictures of myself
>and couldn't relate to who that person was.
>
>Then, several months ago, my process took a spiritual turn (Godward), and
>had a great deal of energy around it.  Not long after, the kundalini began
>and here I am.  I did not have it as a goal, it just came as a natural
>sequence of the work that I was doing.  I didn't even know what it was
>for a while.
>
>I honor your question.  For me, it all revolves around the ego and the
>Self.  Attitude is everything.  If I am aiming to feed the ego, I am
>doomed.  I have to constantly be aware of this tendency with each step
>toward the Self.  My motivations are first my own salvation, and second,
>service to humanity.  The reason I put my own salvation first is that
>I know only too well how much destruction and suffering are caused by
>well intentioned people who want to help, yet they themselves are blind.
>
>A side note:  I think "playing with this force" is a poor choice of words.
>Anyone who is involved in plumbing the depths of the psyche knows that it
>is not to be played with or approached casually.
>
>Regards,
>John
>
SnowbirdVATNOSPAMgnn.com